Post by: cryder on September 27, 2017, 07:38:53 PM
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Post by: Dan-o on September 27, 2017, 08:53:37 PM
So the 150 grains of white hots is to much or for accuracy use less ? Nipples n caps ? Ooooh I was way off !!! And this loose powder ? Do I need a new tool also ? And thanx soooooo much !
I find that I get acceptable hunting accuracy using powder pellets. You might go ahead and try them first. It's a little like reloading vs factory ammo. Some factory ammo shoots really good out of my hunting rifle.
Post by: JDHasty on September 28, 2017, 03:05:00 AM
Post by: Rainpaddle on September 28, 2017, 05:12:07 PM
O. K. , I purchased the optima v2 here's what I got to make it shoot stuff , I got power built pure lead .50 cal. Breach grease , white hots 50 grain , 209 shot shell primers , do I actually need this slug starter ? And all this is just for learning and practice so going cheap if possible , your advice is very appreciated , and I'll try to return the favor 😂😂😂
Cryder, check with who you bought the gun from that the breech plug is good for caps and pellets. Better yet, call CVA. Add a cleaning jag and nipple pick to your kit. I use TC speed loaders for my belt bag. They have powder level indicators on the side and a separate chamber for the bullet. Get the bullet starter, too.
I went away from pellets because I didn't like the lag between the cap popping and the boom. Loose powder goes off way quicker. My accura likes bloodline 300 grains and 120 grains Hogden T7 3F. My shoulder doesn't. In my gun the powerbelt platinum 300 grain shoots close to the bloodline bullet, so I use those for followup shots in the speedloaders.
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Post by: cryder on October 30, 2017, 07:48:26 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on October 30, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
I got sights , don't want to go to a scope , want to hunt next year , using 209's two white hots and hollow points 250g. , Very new to this , I guess I need to clean the barrel every shot ? For sighting learning ? Staying in a 4 inch ring at 35 yards but that's terrible I'm thinking ? Hollow points not that accurate ? HELP !!
Cryder,
You can't use 209s in a muzzy. Musket caps or No. 11's only.
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2017, 08:06:31 AM
However, there's talk about changing the rules next year, and making 209 primers legal, so I wouldn't buy the new breech plug quite yet.
Post by: cryder on October 31, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 31, 2017, 04:26:25 PM
I got sights , don't want to go to a scope , want to hunt next year , using 209's two white hots and hollow points 250g. , Very new to this , I guess I need to clean the barrel every shot ? For sighting learning ? Staying in a 4 inch ring at 35 yards but that's terrible I'm thinking ? Hollow points not that accurate ? HELP !!shouldn't need to clean the barrel after each shot. after maybe 7 or 8 shots it should start getting tight and need a cleaning.
Post by: scottcrb on October 31, 2017, 06:46:53 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on November 01, 2017, 08:42:04 AM
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Post by: MountainDevil54 on November 01, 2017, 11:22:57 PM
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shouldn't need to clean the barrel after each shot. after maybe 7 or 8 shots it should start getting tight and need a cleaning.
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not true at all. With a sidelock yes, inlines are a nastier beast and bake that fouling into the bore. Crud ring is a major issue. With some of the black powder subs in the traditional sidelocks, I've experienced a reverse crud ring, where it was super tight the first 4" of the muzzle VS the last 2-3 inches at the breech plug.
Post by: Sabotloader on November 02, 2017, 08:02:43 AM
A couple of things I would suggest that will reduce the effects of fouling or the 'crud ring' is not to use any type of products that contain petroleum or Teflon in the bore. If you have been using a either of these two products in the bore it will take awhile clear them form the bore.
It would be my suggestion to only use synthetic bore oils in a ML that you might shoot real BP or BP subs from, this does not include BH-209 powder which most of us Western people can not use anyway.
Post by: MountainDevil54 on November 02, 2017, 10:21:52 AM
Ever shoot a black powder revolver? The cylinders get extremely tight at the end after a couple reloads.
Not to hard really, keep them clean and they will load easier and generally be more accurate.
My old 58cal at 100 yards, swabbing between shots,
Now a 50cal at 100, first time with the new rifle.
I didnt do any swabbing on those shots at all, but if the bore is in good shape without any pitting or nasty scratches, using a good patch lube ( in your case sabots/conicals may need swabbing for best accuracy ) you won't have an issue. The rifle in the second picture, I must have fired well over 26-28 shots at Rendezvous this year and never once had an issue. I also use a super tight patch with a tight weave, yet a coarse weave that allows the fouling to embed into the patch and clean as I load.
But as for the crud ring with t7 and a #11, yes, its an issue.
Post by: Sabotloader on November 02, 2017, 02:41:41 PM
with #11 & percussion caps you get a reverse crud ring at the muzzle where it gets tight, just as i stated above.
Never have had that happen. sorry that you are experiencing those problems. I have shot as many as 15 shots dinging around with T7 at the rock pit. 110 grain loads - #11 mag caps. Done this several times with different Knight rifles - not that - that has anything to do with it. And as you mentioned at Rondy shoots, using any of my Renegades, all I use is T7 and never run a patch. Using the Rene's I am shooting T7-3f which does burn cleaner.
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Ever shoot a black powder revolver? The cylinders get extremely tight at the end after a couple reloads.
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Not to hard really, keep them clean and they will load easier and generally be more accurate.
My old 58cal at 100 yards, swabbing between shots,
Now a 50cal at 100, first time with the new rifle.
I didnt do any swabbing on those shots at all, but if the bore is in good shape without any pitting or nasty scratches, using a good patch lube ( in your case sabots/conicals may need swabbing for best accuracy ) you won't have an issue. The rifle in the second picture, I must have fired well over 26-28 shots at Rendezvous this year and never once had an issue. I also use a super tight patch with a tight weave, yet a coarse weave that allows the fouling to embed into the patch and clean as I load.
But as for the crud ring with t7 and a #11, yes, its an issue.
I and a whole lot of other people around here would disagree if you know what you are doing with your bore!
Post by: Squidward on November 02, 2017, 03:50:44 PM
you can put pre-measured (loose) powder charges in old shell cases, tape the top, rip the tape off poor it out and load up.
I use a greased lead bullet (maxi ball), when i 1st started i took a small piece of board about 3/8" thick-ish. I drilled a few holes in the board one to tie a lanyard too and the rest snug fit a bullet in. the end stuck out of the board and would line up with the barrel when loading, shove it through with the ball starter.
just keep in mind you don't have to buy everything for it. Good Luck!
Post by: cryder on November 08, 2017, 01:09:34 AM