Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 30, 2017, 05:26:11 PM
So with optics what is a guy looking at for a good range. 150-200 yards pretty doable? Deer sized game.
I know the numbers are fine but want some real life feedback.
I am looking at Winchester xp3 and bonded slugs. The Remington slugs and federal trophy slugs.
Anyone put any of these into critters?
thanks for any feedback.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 30, 2017, 06:50:43 PM
200 is very doable.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 30, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
Post by: RB on September 30, 2017, 07:55:33 PM
300 is the new 200. With a rifled barrel and using the Hornady sabot SST slugs, 200 is well within range.
:yeah:
I put a rifled barrel on my Mossberg 500 and it shot like a rifle with the above mentioned loads really good accuracy from an inexpensive setup :twocents:
Post by: northwesthunter84 on September 30, 2017, 09:34:55 PM
Not a fan of the federal slugs although the vital shocks grouped fine, the Remington Accutips shot ok, Winchester partion golds have a strong following and shot well out of my gun.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 01, 2017, 01:32:09 AM
The partions are on the list to just forgot to post them. I have killed many animals with partitions already so figured they would be good to go if the gun likes them.
Now what about 20g. I am of course thinking 12 but there is some decent 20g rifles out there less expensive and the same ammo just a little lighter bullets.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 01, 2017, 08:56:16 AM
But 20 ga slugs work great on deer. Just to show that a 20 is plenty, .410 slugs work pretty good too--.410 slugs were real popular for bang sticks for fish. So, if they will blow through really big fish then a 20 will do it a little better.
Post by: lokidog on October 02, 2017, 09:09:24 AM
Post by: Bob33 on October 02, 2017, 09:23:16 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 02, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
I ordered a browning a bolt 12ga, They have a killer deal close out on them with one of my wholesalers.
I ordered a box of 300g hornady and xp3, then a box of the partition and dual bonded Winchesters that are 375-385.
Post by: lokidog on October 03, 2017, 06:29:15 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 03, 2017, 07:16:59 PM
Yeah got thinking about it and it may find a way into a short range elk hunt at some point to in Idaho or westside jungle some time.A more likely scenario is hunting elk in a firearm restriction area. That's been the primary use of my 12 gauge slug gun for elk.
I ordered a browning a bolt 12ga, They have a killer deal close out on them with one of my wholesalers.
I ordered a box of 300g hornady and xp3, then a box of the partition and dual bonded Winchesters that are 375-385.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 03, 2017, 07:22:34 PM
I'm excited to get it up and running. Might even try to get my brother to thump a deer with it in mod. Going to be a good close range thumper I think :IBCOOL:
Post by: JL on October 03, 2017, 07:30:10 PM
I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
Post by: northwesthunter84 on October 03, 2017, 07:33:54 PM
Post by: RB on October 03, 2017, 07:42:50 PM
Yeah got thinking about it and it may find a way into a short range elk hunt at some point to in Idaho or westside jungle some time.
I ordered a browning a bolt 12ga, They have a killer deal close out on them with one of my wholesalers.
I ordered a box of 300g hornady and xp3, then a box of the partition and dual bonded Winchesters that are 375-385.
How good was the close out deal on the A bolt??
Post by: Bob33 on October 03, 2017, 07:51:33 PM
Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.I've shot 12 gauge slugs with close to 3,500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. That's a lot. The slug guns shoot the same projectile weight or more (375 grains) with similar velocities and equivalent projectiles.
I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
I can't see any reason they would be less lethal than a muzzleloader at similar distances, but I could be educated otherwise.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 03, 2017, 08:06:59 PM
Yeah got thinking about it and it may find a way into a short range elk hunt at some point to in Idaho or westside jungle some time.
I ordered a browning a bolt 12ga, They have a killer deal close out on them with one of my wholesalers.
I ordered a box of 300g hornady and xp3, then a box of the partition and dual bonded Winchesters that are 375-385.
How good was the close out deal on the A bolt??
Cost me 499 delivered. There is a few places that have them for about 570.00 delivered but one of the wholesalers put them on clearance and I decided what the heck. Mine is just the base they have the wood and camo model on clearance as well.
Post by: JL on October 03, 2017, 08:21:05 PM
Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.I've shot 12 gauge slugs with close to 3,500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. That's a lot. The slug guns shoot the same projectile weight or more (375 grains) with similar velocities and equivalent projectiles.
I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
I can't see any reason they would be less lethal than a muzzleloader at similar distances, but I could be educated otherwise.
Bob, I'm obviously not the one that would be able to and I've argued the same. Anything I could contribute would be subjective. He laughed in my face when I suggested a rifled slug was a good way to go close qtrs. against a grizz.
Post by: Bob33 on October 03, 2017, 08:29:54 PM
I can say this with certainty: the 12 gauge slug guns I've shot kick like a mule going backwards. Ouch!Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.I've shot 12 gauge slugs with close to 3,500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. That's a lot. The slug guns shoot the same projectile weight or more (375 grains) with similar velocities and equivalent projectiles.
I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
I can't see any reason they would be less lethal than a muzzleloader at similar distances, but I could be educated otherwise.
Bob, I'm obviously not the one that would be able to and I've argued the same. Anything I could contribute would be subjective. He laughed in my face when I suggested a rifled slug was a good way to go close qtrs. against a grizz.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 03, 2017, 08:41:16 PM
One of the guys I know that had to kill a big grizz used a 12 gauge slug.Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.I've shot 12 gauge slugs with close to 3,500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. That's a lot. The slug guns shoot the same projectile weight or more (375 grains) with similar velocities and equivalent projectiles.
I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
I can't see any reason they would be less lethal than a muzzleloader at similar distances, but I could be educated otherwise.
Bob, I'm obviously not the one that would be able to and I've argued the same. Anything I could contribute would be subjective. He laughed in my face when I suggested a rifled slug was a good way to go close qtrs. against a grizz.
Post by: spoonman on October 03, 2017, 08:54:04 PM
Loki, speaking on behalf of my brother, who's a far more accomplished hunter than I (and from a "field/harvest" perspective)... the .50 cal muzzleloader is unquestionably more lethal on game than a rifled 12. Not even a debate. That's comparing the Remington magnum sabots he shoots against a weak Eastern magnum pellet load w/ a 250 grain too.
I like the Brenneke's or Rem's out of my slug gun.
Muzzy sabot and a 12 ga sabot in like weight have very simular velocity. I just don't see how a muzzy will kill any better than a 12ga slug gun? Thousands of elk are killed every year with a 243 or 270 or even a bow and arrow. I have a 12 ga slugster and would not hesitate to pull the trigger on a bull at 200 yards! Now at 200 yards that's only 1100 pounds of energy but if it's behind the shoulder it's a dead elk.
Post by: JL on October 03, 2017, 08:54:40 PM
Jimmy, most of what I've read also suggests a rifled 12 sabot at close range is the right tool. It's what I carry myself.
Post by: JDHasty on October 04, 2017, 09:14:34 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,193502.0.html
Post by: RatRodMike on October 04, 2017, 09:56:44 AM
Slug barreled guns are better but I've killed a lot of deer with my smooth bore and found the key to accuracy is taking the time to bench shoot the gun to find out where it's hitting. It's never straight down the sights but it's the same place every time. Bench shooting while shooting a slug is kind of miserable because, as said above, they really do kick like a mule.
Post by: Widgeondeke on October 04, 2017, 10:48:20 AM
I've tried several ammo types:
I preferred the Hornady SST, but they KICKED :yike: Muzzle velocity is 1800 and the boy didn't enjoy shooting it :chuckle: When my son started hunting he was only 10 and weighed about 85#.
Tried Winchester, but didn't like the groups. Settled on Remington Copper Solid. Main reason, less muzzle velocity of 1200, which translated to less recoil yet still accurate
Never have understood why 20ga isn't legal for elk. Yes elk are larger, but we harvested 5 blacktail over the last 3 seasons and every shot was a thru & thru. The solid copper slug wasn't stopped by shoulders, vertebrae, leg or jaw( @Lokidog ) :chuckle:
My son even took a quartering front shot and it entered just behind the shoulder(about 1.5" too far right) and exited out the opposite rear after breaking a rib & vertebrae. The longest shot taken was 118yds.
Now that he is almost 15, stands 5'-8 1/2" and about 125# it's time to change ammo. Also looking for more expansion.
They don't make Winchester XP3 in 20ga, so testing the Hornady SST and Remington Accutip and I may try the Lightfield if one of these don't impress
:twocents:
Post by: JDHasty on October 04, 2017, 11:31:33 AM
I've shot several elk with a 12 ga. using riffled slugs. They did the job but I wasn't super impressed with the penetration on one. I had hit the shoulder and that may be why but it broke that shoulder and the bull didn't go far. My 50 and 54 cals. with Maxi Balls always penetrate a lot better IMO.
Slug barreled guns are better but I've killed a lot of deer with my smooth bore and found the key to accuracy is taking the time to bench shoot the gun to find out where it's hitting. It's never straight down the sights but it's the same place every time. Bench shooting while shooting a slug is kind of miserable because, as said above, they really do kick like a mule.
Lightfield Commanders will penetrate practically anything short of cold rolled steel. Hastings Laser Accurates (now Rotweil https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2014/1/24/rottweil-laser-plus-sabot-slugs/ ) will do the same. They are lousy on deer because they zip through and do not transfer a lot of energy leaving the deer to run off. Lightfield Hybrid Elites will usually take a deer straight off it's feet. There are photos of recovered slugs of both types in the link I provided up above in this thread.
Post by: Bob33 on October 04, 2017, 11:40:47 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 04, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 04, 2017, 12:44:41 PM
Im not much on Nikon but after reading about 100 4.5+ star reviews I decided to give one a go and ordered the slug gun hunter 3-9 with the DOA 200 reticle. We shall see how it holds up.I have Nikons on both my 12 and 20, and have had no issues.
If you have one, use a Lead Sled to zero the gun. ;)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 04, 2017, 11:04:55 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 05, 2017, 08:08:27 PM
Im not much on Nikon but after reading about 100 4.5+ star reviews I decided to give one a go and ordered the slug gun hunter 3-9 with the DOA 200 reticle. We shall see how it holds up.I have Nikons on both my 12 and 20, and have had no issues.
If you have one, use a Lead Sled to zero the gun. ;)
Has that 200 reticle been pretty spot on good for you?
Post by: h20hunter on October 05, 2017, 08:13:06 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 05, 2017, 08:21:12 PM
I've honestly never tested it. The furthest shot I've taken on elk was 140 yards.Im not much on Nikon but after reading about 100 4.5+ star reviews I decided to give one a go and ordered the slug gun hunter 3-9 with the DOA 200 reticle. We shall see how it holds up.I have Nikons on both my 12 and 20, and have had no issues.
If you have one, use a Lead Sled to zero the gun. ;)
Has that 200 reticle been pretty spot on good for you?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 06, 2017, 09:08:28 AM
Post by: Bob33 on October 06, 2017, 09:09:35 AM
Gotcha. Should be fun stuff.My personal opinion is that if I have to rely on holdover reticles for an elk, it's too far to shoot with a slug. :twocents:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 06, 2017, 09:11:56 AM
Post by: Bob33 on October 07, 2017, 08:48:51 PM
I think the cross hair is for 50 yards. first circle on that thing is for 75 yards then the next 100 etc?I'd zero it at 100 or maybe an inch or two high. I think you will be Point Blank Range out to 175 yards or so.
Post by: Brushcrawler on October 08, 2017, 06:20:45 PM
I've used several different slugs. I like the Remington Accutips in both 12 and 20 gauges: 12 for elk, and 20 for deer. I'll see if I can find a 12 gauge Accutip that I recovered from an elk and share a photo: Remington should pay me for it to use in their ads because of perfect expansion.
Second this vote for accutips.
In 12 ga they go right through, leaving a solid blood trail, and still have plenty of energy to put holes in trees.
That one was a blacktail at 85 yards.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 08, 2017, 06:24:43 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 11, 2017, 11:37:38 PM