Post by: froyoandpho on October 09, 2017, 08:42:34 PM
Post by: Cylvertip on October 09, 2017, 11:24:21 PM
Warning, total thread jack here, my apologies :sry:
:dunno: Still don't get the tick thing. :dunno:
I have never had one on me in 39 years of living in Western Wa. I have spent a ton of time in the woods in Thurston County for 19 years and Snohomish County the last 20. I archery hunted elk and deer in Lewis, Skamania, and Cowlitz couties for close to ten years. Clallam, Jefferson, and Gr.ays Harbor Couties for the last 11. Have hunted from areas along to Pacific Crest Trail and the Pacific and have trapped on the edge of Puget Sound during the Spring. I have nuisance trapped for beaver year round for the last 18 years in a couple dozen different drainages between King and Skagit Counties.Never have had any issue or even seen one on me.
Back to the original subject of the thread - if you pick the right location, I think you would be fine. A few drainage trenches around the perimeter may be a good idea though.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 09, 2017, 11:39:09 PM
Post by: Stein on October 10, 2017, 06:34:11 AM
There are fans for sure, particularly with certain brands and certain brand ambassadors.
For me, I'll take a solid double wall tent for any fall through winter conditions.
Post by: trophyhunt on October 10, 2017, 07:05:22 AM
Gotta have floor in sleep area. So half floor is option. 3/4 floor better.:yeah:
Post by: trophyhunt on October 10, 2017, 07:05:51 AM
Warning, total thread jack here, my apologies :sry:Try the blue mountains in spring time, you'll find ticks.
:dunno: Still don't get the tick thing. :dunno:
I have never had one on me in 39 years of living in Western Wa. I have spent a ton of time in the woods in Thurston County for 19 years and Snohomish County the last 20. I archery hunted elk and deer in Lewis, Skamania, and Cowlitz couties for close to ten years. Clallam, Jefferson, and Gr.ays Harbor Couties for the last 11. Have hunted from areas along to Pacific Crest Trail and the Pacific and have trapped on the edge of Puget Sound during the Spring. I have nuisance trapped for beaver year round for the last 18 years in a couple dozen different drainages between King and Skagit Counties.Never have had any issue or even seen one on me.
Back to the original subject of the thread - if you pick the right location, I think you would be fine. A few drainage trenches around the perimeter may be a good idea though.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 10, 2017, 07:17:23 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 10, 2017, 08:50:12 AM
I think floorless has it's place in terms of weight savings. I'm personally not a fan. I've woke up with a mouse on my chest while I was sleeping for example. :bdid:
I'm a fan of a free standing tent with a floor. In my current situation...mountain goat hunting in the Cascades in October...the idea of a stove sounds nice...but I think I would get a half sized nest with a bathtub floor in my SL5 if I was to add a stove jack.
Post by: boneaddict on October 10, 2017, 08:57:12 AM
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Post by: Houndhunter on October 10, 2017, 12:23:35 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 10, 2017, 05:56:08 PM
Yes, flourless teepee with a wood stove in the driving rain. Sometimes you will get a river through your tent, those are the breaks. I will take a flourless + wood stove over a dank tent any day of the week. Besides, I can backpack my teepee deep into the woods, much lighter than a conventional (floored) tent, even with the stove.
I'm not sure about your weight claim. I have a free standing "conventional" tent that has plenty of room to sleep 2 people that weighs less than 5 pounds and it's a relatively low budget tent. Drop down a little in size and up in quality and it's relatively easy to get below 3 pounds all up. I also have a good quality teepee that is well over 5# with the nest and 3+ pounds nest free.
Biggest benefit to me of a conventional/free standing tent over a teepee style is the free standing part. Unless you know exactly where you're going to set your tent up and know that you can stake it out and all that, you run the risk of not finding a suitable place to set it up.
I'd be curious to know how the teepee style would have stood up to the 3" of concrete-like snow I had on my tent last weekend that weighed about 300 pounds.
Post by: Alpine Mojo on October 10, 2017, 06:01:28 PM
I can backpack my teepee deep into the woods, much lighter than a conventional (floored) tent, even with the stove.
What weight are you looking at with your teepee and stove together?
Post by: jackelope on October 10, 2017, 06:12:02 PM
I can backpack my teepee deep into the woods, much lighter than a conventional (floored) tent, even with the stove.
What weight are you looking at with your teepee and stove together?
I was always under the impression that with a lightweight quality tarp/teepee, a stove and stove pipe you'd be right around 5-6 pounds with the best quality stuff.
Post by: The scout on October 10, 2017, 06:34:56 PM
Post by: pd on October 10, 2017, 06:47:53 PM
I can backpack my teepee deep into the woods, much lighter than a conventional (floored) tent, even with the stove.
What weight are you looking at with your teepee and stove together?
I was always under the impression that with a lightweight quality tarp/teepee, a stove and stove pipe you'd be right around 5-6 pounds with the best quality stuff.
With the very best equipment, that is about right. My teepee is actually a bit heavier than that (I am cheap, and did not purchase the best, but it is good enough for me).
I also climb (alpine) and carry a very lightweight tent for that, so I am well aware of the benefits of the floored tent option. I also understand the heavier, floored tent for truck camping (very convenient, I will agree). But for wet & cold backpack hunting, I don't think I will ever go again without a teepee.
I do understand the complaint about vermin in the warmer months. We have that same problem while climbing---to prevent rodent damage during our day climbs, I just leave the doors open.
Teepees are built at sharp angles, so perhaps they are stronger against concrete snow, if staked properly. My only weather experience has been driving Pacific rainstorms, and I was fine.
The stove actually dries the ground quite well, so mud in the floor-less tent is not really a concern.
To each his own. Use the equipment best suited for the need.
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on October 10, 2017, 07:31:33 PM
I'm still using a MSR hubba hubba works great but you can't stand up. I'll probably buy a new tent someday when this one fails.
Call Kifaru, they won't talk you into the wrong product.
Post by: dreamingbig on October 11, 2017, 09:14:54 PM
One was freestanding tent while the other was floorless with a nest.
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 11, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
I can backpack my teepee deep into the woods, much lighter than a conventional (floored) tent, even with the stove.
What weight are you looking at with your teepee and stove together?
I was always under the impression that with a lightweight quality tarp/teepee, a stove and stove pipe you'd be right around 5-6 pounds with the best quality stuff.
Thats for smallest size without liner, pole, floor.
My seek outside XL stove complete with pipe is 4#, my 8 man seek tipi is 4.5# with carbon fiber pole. But liner and half floor adds another 1.5# so it gets up there at 11# for combo. Wouldn't need liner & floor for nice weather but rain/snow its needed as your wet gear will rain the inside until stove drys it out. Have to have liner in the wet - really full liner needed if bringing in wet gear.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on October 13, 2017, 12:06:16 AM
I'd be curious to know how the teepee style would have stood up to the 3" of concrete-like snow I had on my tent last weekend that weighed about 300 pounds.
Jackelope, I just returned from the GRW and suffered the concrete snow on my SL4. The SL4 is not as good with snow as some of the taller, steeper teepee's, but it handled it. The interior space gets smaller as the sides cave-in a bit and the sil-nylon always sags a bit when real cold. It was incredibly wet in the brush and the stove couldn't dry all my clothes in the 1.5 hour or so that I run it at night.
I was not in an area to see goats, but thought about your hunt. Hope you connect.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on October 13, 2017, 12:16:18 AM
It was well below freezing with several inches of snow.
Solutions? I'll be bringing a tin for the food (like what Christmas cookies come in) and d-Con for them to eat. Or a cat!
Is this year different than other years? Where are the predators for such a large prey base? Is this the new normal for W. WA? Never was normal when I was floorless in W.WA previously.
Post by: pd on October 13, 2017, 05:23:15 AM
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Post by: ian_padron on October 15, 2017, 01:58:49 PM
I'm not a fan of floorless shelters at all, whether in western WA or elsewhere. Single wall floorless shelters are an ancient technology that in my mind has been improved so much as to be obsolete.Have you actually used a high quality single wall floorless shelter?
There are fans for sure, particularly with certain brands and certain brand ambassadors.
For me, I'll take a solid double wall tent for any fall through winter conditions.
The fact that you can run a stove in a shelter makes floorless the most attractive option for late season hunting. Drying out your gear is crucial. Can't do that in a double wall.
Not to mention that a decent double wall tent weighs 2 to 3 times a similar sized floorless.
You couldn't pay me to run a double walled shelter.
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Post by: CLARKTAR on October 15, 2017, 02:56:45 PM
Ditto!I'm not a fan of floorless shelters at all, whether in western WA or elsewhere. Single wall floorless shelters are an ancient technology that in my mind has been improved so much as to be obsolete.Have you actually used a high quality single wall floorless shelter?
There are fans for sure, particularly with certain brands and certain brand ambassadors.
For me, I'll take a solid double wall tent for any fall through winter conditions.
The fact that you can run a stove in a shelter makes floorless the most attractive option for late season hunting. Drying out your gear is crucial. Can't do that in a double wall.
Not to mention that a decent double wall tent weighs 2 to 3 times a similar sized floorless.
You couldn't pay me to run a double walled shelter.
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Post by: DWP on October 19, 2017, 09:20:13 AM
Do I use my BA Copper Spur 1? Or do I use my DST tarp?
Later in the year the list of suitable options gets smaller for me...Most likely using the Cimarron with the stove as the weather gets colder & more wet.
I prefer floorless with a stove as the weather gets colder and more wet for lots of reasons... Dry out gear, get myself warm, keep my boots on going in & out of shelter, etc....
All equipment decisions are a tradeoff. Be open minded, try out various options, and find out what works for you.
Post by: fillthefreezer on October 19, 2017, 10:38:06 AM
i have spent many nights in a single wall floorless, and you could pay me, but it would have to be substantial to go back to one. everything about double wall free standing is so much easier and versatile. the stove fad is completely lost on me. wait til that thing is completely soaked on the inside and every gust of wind sends rain all over your gear insideI'm not a fan of floorless shelters at all, whether in western WA or elsewhere. Single wall floorless shelters are an ancient technology that in my mind has been improved so much as to be obsolete.Have you actually used a high quality single wall floorless shelter?
There are fans for sure, particularly with certain brands and certain brand ambassadors.
For me, I'll take a solid double wall tent for any fall through winter conditions.
The fact that you can run a stove in a shelter makes floorless the most attractive option for late season hunting. Drying out your gear is crucial. Can't do that in a double wall.
Not to mention that a decent double wall tent weighs 2 to 3 times a similar sized floorless.
You couldn't pay me to run a double walled shelter.
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Post by: GBoyd on October 19, 2017, 07:48:22 PM
The factor that does it for me is the size of the tent. I use a homemade pyramid tent that's 10x10 and weighs 1.8 pounds with a SOL emergency blanket as a ground cloth. For that weight, any double wall tents that I know about would have to be tiny. There might be less condensation in wet weather, but you also have to be rubbing against the walls all the time.
Also, I can stand up to put on my pants.
Post by: froyoandpho on October 20, 2017, 11:07:36 PM
Post by: swisski on October 25, 2017, 12:40:01 PM
A lot of these issues listed, aside from possible rodents is just site selection. If it's real wet, say out on the Peninsula, a half liner was absolutely necessary even with the stove I was running.
I have nothing against a full tent, I've just grown real comfortable with the flourless setups.
Post by: Stickerbush on November 22, 2017, 07:59:49 PM
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