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These boys rounded the corner as I was walking up it, and they kept coming! I just stayed in the middle of the skid road shaking my head, until they finally figured it out that I wasn't going to move. They backed down. That'll teach me to park off to the side, and leave just enough room for someone to get by, in case they did really need to get up there. It used to be that people got the hint.
I also agree with the other post when individuals are already at a gated spot. If it's a big area, and they're still there, talk to them. It's just common courtesy. :twocents:
Post by: runamuk on October 29, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Either go to places without roads or get over yourself and realize roads are for driving. This is truly your problem not an ethical dilemma. It was also my problem when it used to annoy me. I simply changed how I hunt and how I respond to others.
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Post by: pygmy1985 on October 29, 2017, 07:23:07 PM
Ok I'm not going too get all riled again but I just want to know why some hunters or so called hunters think its a good idea to drive around another hunters vehicle after he just watched them get out of the vehicle and walk into another area? (Too clarify the area was only 300yrds long that went too a dead end )I'm not sure about everyone else but I was always taught to be respectful and would never think twice about going into an area that I knew someone else was in.Yes, I can your frustration with the situation. However, it may not be apparent that the road only went for another 300 yards, especially if it's dark. Also, a dead end road can be used by other hunters to get into an area, not necessarily the patch that you want to hunt. Now, if they were sat right next to you at a small clearcut, that'd be plain disrespectful and weird. But public land is public land.
Post by: Milkman on October 29, 2017, 07:29:19 PM
Oooook..... If I know the road ends...BLOCK THE MFN ROAD. I mean.... Not to be a D. But either it ends 300 yards up or where u parked. Either way dude is gonna have to turn around right?!
I've had a guy park at a Y (to the left side) I went right (road needed over a mile up on the R) he was on the right with a ground blind....in the road. I left me crystal ball at home.
Is what it is guys.
Maybe leave a note on your rig? I know it sucks at times... it is public land. Don't be a *censored*
Post by: hunter399 on October 29, 2017, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: Milkman on October 29, 2017, 07:41:09 PM
I do have one question ,is the turn around at the end of the road,alot of roads dead end , then there's a spot at the end where everybody turn around.
Where I go.... they End. No, zero circle or cul de sac if you will. I drive a jeep and need to do a 8 point turn around haha
Post by: SCRUBS on October 29, 2017, 08:02:00 PM
Is hunting season over yet, this old argument is just as old and tired in 2017 as it was in 2009.
Either go to places without roads or get over yourself and realize roads are for driving. This is truly your problem not an ethical dilemma. It was also my problem when it used to annoy me. I simply changed how I hunt and how I respond to others.
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: ruttnbuck on October 29, 2017, 08:31:31 PM
Post by: runamuk on October 29, 2017, 09:40:20 PM
Let me start off my by saying this is MY opinion.... and opinions are like ....eceryone has one
Oooook..... If I know the road ends...BLOCK THE MFN ROAD. I mean.... Not to be a D. But either it ends 300 yards up or where u parked. Either way dude is gonna have to turn around right?!
I've had a guy park at a Y (to the left side) I went right (road needed over a mile up on the R) he was on the right with a ground blind....in the road. I left me crystal ball at home.
Is what it is guys.
Maybe leave a note on your rig? I know it sucks at times... it is public land. Don't be a *censored*
If you block a road you deserve to get towed or have your truck screwed with. Just saying if you are that D bag you get what's coming (in a perfect world anyway).
Why can't people just frigging share.
It's stiff like this that makes me hesitant to hunt because gawd knows who I am pissing off just trying to find somewhere to hunt.
I used to be able to go away from people now life makes it really hard for me to even get to a place to hunt. I just try to do my thing and stay out of everyone's way.
There are more rude people out there than you can count, just find a way to do you and let them do them.
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 30, 2017, 08:12:54 AM
Is hunting season over yet, this old argument is just as old and tired in 2017 as it was in 2009.
Either go to places without roads or get over yourself and realize roads are for driving. This is truly your problem not an ethical dilemma. It was also my problem when it used to annoy me. I simply changed how I hunt and how I respond to others.
Exactly right........
Post by: ruttnbuck on October 30, 2017, 08:20:07 AM
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Is hunting season over yet, this old argument is just as old and tired in 2017 as it was in 2009.
Either go to places without roads or get over yourself and realize roads are for driving. This is truly your problem not an ethical dilemma. It was also my problem when it used to annoy me. I simply changed how I hunt and how I respond to others.
Exactly right........
This is exactly what's wrong with society these days, other then a select few no-one cares anymore. It's all about you.
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Post by: ruttnbuck on October 30, 2017, 08:32:31 AM
Roads are for driving, not walking and hunting from. Wipe it.
Well for the people who can't afford to go on guided hunts or have hundreds of acres to hunt without morons everywhere I'm gonna try be respectful as possible and hopefully it comes back to benefit me one day on public land.
Post by: vandeman17 on October 30, 2017, 08:36:39 AM
Roads are for driving, not walking and hunting from. Wipe it.
Well for the people who can't afford to go on guided hunts or have hundreds of acres to hunt without morons everywhere I'm gonna try be respectful as possible and hopefully it comes back to benefit me one day on public land.
Interesting logic. :o
Post by: spoonman on October 30, 2017, 08:44:11 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on October 30, 2017, 08:46:46 AM
I didn't hear anyone talking about guided hunts?! I can't afford a guided hunt but I can afford some time to do some research to get away from the roads and people. It really simple actually to find area's that have little to no people around and especially no cars. Boots to the ground, Google earth, time in the field will get you to your own little piece of public land that is all to yourself. I do many different types of hunting ( backcountry, frontcountry, roads to little tiny shotgun only) all over. Find your spots that don't have lots of pressure and you'll have a better time whether you harvest or not.
Agreed and even if there is somebody there or somebody drives by, don't let it ruin your hunt. There is so much area to cover that its not worth letting it ruin your day. Like I said earlier, I would have ZERO issue driving by someone even if I knew the road ended around the corner. I have just as much of a right to the area as they do. If I saw them, I would give a wave and try my best to avoid them while continuing my hunt. If that is disrespectful then guilty as charged.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 30, 2017, 08:53:36 AM
Roads are for driving, not walking and hunting from. Wipe it.
Well for the people who can't afford to go on guided hunts or have hundreds of acres to hunt without morons everywhere I'm gonna try be respectful as possible and hopefully it comes back to benefit me one day on public land.
Plenty of roadless public land for everyone.
Post by: ruttnbuck on October 30, 2017, 09:12:36 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on October 30, 2017, 09:15:57 AM
I understand these points to a certain point ,I try to do my homework too the best of my ability and time availible to avoid other hunters on public land but if a plan doesn't Pan out accordingly then sometimes I gotta park at a spur rd and do a spur of the moment hunt and hope other hunters won't drive behind me even though they have a RIGHT to do what they want, I'd hope they'd use there brain and give a hunter some space, but I guess I live under a rock and its irrelevant anymore these days. :dunno:
I think you are correct to an extent but for me, if i were in your situation, would be that if a hunter decided to drive by me that he would take it upon himself to be courteous towards you. Just because someone drives by doesn't mean they will immediately screw up your hunt. Now when people drive by me on closed roads, that is where I lose my mind. :bash:
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 30, 2017, 09:23:51 AM
You can play devil advocate all you want, public land or not if I see a vehicle parked on a road aka a spur rd, I'm plain and simple turning around and trying my best not to disturb there hunt and going to another area of the 500,000 acres of "public land" that's out there. If I see a hunter parked at a gate before i got there,waiting till daylight ill walk over to his vehicle and ask him if he minds if I go in after him or ask where he's going and go the opposite. In my mind its common sense.
Take a deep breath there, Ruttn. He was only presenting a possible reason why even an ethical hunter would have done what he did. And there may be more. Once you get off the road on that public land, It's possible he hiked in the opposite direction and went a couple miles in, knowing he'd be nowhere near you. He might have a mineral block and cams in there. Maybe he felt, "damn, been scouting for three months and some jackwagon is going to be right on top of all my work!" The point is it is public land and there's a lot of it out there. It's possible you'd never have seen him again. You don't deserve to be there any more than he. If he showed up in your stand and refused to move, that might bother me but I'd likely just hike in further and find another spot. :dunno:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 30, 2017, 09:27:13 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 30, 2017, 09:34:43 AM
Today I had two guys block a road that wasn’t a spur. I opted to avoid confrontation but it pissed me off as the road they were blocking led to a big area with multiple places to go.
We were grouse hunting a few weeks ago and a guy parked right in the middle of the road we'd gone down to hunt. Couldn't get around him. Laid on the horn and he came down and moved it without even an apology. There are definitely jerks out there with no respect for others.
Post by: ruttnbuck on October 30, 2017, 10:23:29 AM
I understand these points to a certain point ,I try to do my homework too the best of my ability and time availible to avoid other hunters on public land but if a plan doesn't Pan out accordingly then sometimes I gotta park at a spur rd and do a spur of the moment hunt and hope other hunters won't drive behind me even though they have a RIGHT to do what they want, I'd hope they'd use there brain and give a hunter some space, but I guess I live under a rock and its irrelevant anymore these days. :dunno:
I think you are correct to an extent but for me, if i were in your situation, would be that if a hunter decided to drive by me that he would take it upon himself to be courteous towards you. Just because someone drives by doesn't mean they will immediately screw up your hunt. Now when people drive by me on closed roads, that is where I lose my mind. :bash:
I give people benefit of a doubt when its an honest mistake, I've had it happen before an s it was cool ... they guy apologized not realizing that I was in there and backed out, happens all the time no big deal but when a guy deliberately drives behind me while I'm walking down a road that's straight as an arrow and he can see the end of the road and he's just trying to be an ass I lose my mind.
Post by: Special T on October 30, 2017, 11:08:53 AM
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Post by: ghosthunter on October 30, 2017, 11:19:45 AM
I understand these points to a certain point ,I try to do my homework too the best of my ability and time availible to avoid other hunters on public land but if a plan doesn't Pan out accordingly then sometimes I gotta park at a spur rd and do a spur of the moment hunt and hope other hunters won't drive behind me even though they have a RIGHT to do what they want, I'd hope they'd use there brain and give a hunter some space, but I guess I live under a rock and its irrelevant anymore these days. :dunno:
I think you are correct to an extent but for me, if i were in your situation, would be that if a hunter decided to drive by me that he would take it upon himself to be courteous towards you. Just because someone drives by doesn't mean they will immediately screw up your hunt. Now when people drive by me on closed roads, that is where I lose my mind. :bash:
I give people benefit of a doubt when its an honest mistake, I've had it happen before an s it was cool ... they guy apologized not realizing that I was in there and backed out, happens all the time no big deal but when a guy deliberately drives behind me while I'm walking down a road that's straight as an arrow and he can see the end of the road and he's just trying to be an ass I lose my mind.
Sadly I don't think some folks have a clue. They are so intent on their plan that they do not even consider anyone else. I have more hope for the fellow who thinks it might be wrong and does it anyway, then the guy who it never even cross their mind that they shouldn't do something like that.
There is a lot different hunter out their than 30 years ago. Sad :twocents:
Post by: Special T on October 30, 2017, 11:21:31 AM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 30, 2017, 11:23:33 AM
It seems this occurs more during rifle season. Claiming dominion where ever one can see... One of several reasons why i switched to archery.Probably because deer hunters in this state are primarily rifle hunters. Go to some of the elk units during early archery and you'll see some really territorial guys.
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Post by: ghosthunter on October 30, 2017, 11:36:56 AM
Do you guys see this as prevalent during muzzy hunting? Or am I right that this seems more of a rifle issue?
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I have been muzzy hunting for 6-7 years now and never ran into it except for campsites.
A friend who has always Bow hunted elk came muzzy this year with me, and tells the story of a group of guys who hunted the area we were in out of tree stands. If you came close to their stands on NF lands they would ask you not to come around there.
I would not be receptive to that conversation. I might avoid those areas on my own ,but if someone told to stay out, that would be a problem.
Post by: full choke on October 30, 2017, 11:58:36 AM
Do you guys see this as prevalent during muzzy hunting? Or am I right that this seems more of a rifle issue?
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I have had it happen during muzzy elk season. I think you may be correct that it is more prevalent during modern, but only because there are more people in the woods at that time.
I actually think you see more of this behavior in the marshes during duck season than you ever do in the mountains...
Post by: NumaJohn on October 30, 2017, 01:40:38 PM
I think that if a vehicle is parked in front of a locked gate to a single clearcut or something along those lines, it's the right thing (for me) to do to go somewhere else. But what if there's a vehicle parked in front of a locked gate on a road that leads into a vast range of available hunting land? Just because someone is there ahead of me, do I have to feel guilty about parking and hunting that country, too? I don't think so.
One place I like to deer hunt, there are often guys sitting before first light in trucks, idling their vehicles at the beginning of a road that you can drive for several miles. I have always slowed down, but I have also always driven right past them and into the area to then park and walk and hunt. Again, I know their hope was to wait until legal shooting hours and then slowly drive and road hunt the area undisturbed, but I hope no one on here would expect me or any other hunter to actually honor the idea that because the road hunters were there at the bottom of the road first, anyone arriving afterward should just sit and wait for the roadhunters to go first or, alternatively, leave them be and find another area to drive into and hunt.
I also have to add that while I do not like to road hunt, because of the age and physical condition of family members, I have done it. I cannot stand it when public land users lay sole claim to public land. Yesterday, coming back from elk hunting, guys near a camp had parked their vehicle right in the middle of a public road that lead into (but also past) their camp. I assume they did this to protect their camp from someone driving in and loading up their generator and such. But come on, it's not debatable: that truck parked there is a sign of disrespect for others--other hunters but also anyone else wanting to recreate or work on that piece of public land. That kind of selfishness/protective behavior gives all hunters a bad name.
John
Post by: WSU on October 30, 2017, 01:49:47 PM
The next morning we had a guy pull in behind us in the dark. He turned around and hunted another road. We killed a bull. He heard us shoot and came to help get the elk out nice. Turns out he was there first the day before and I had turned around to leave the spot to him. Not everyone is a pain in the rear and some definitely get it.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 30, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
Post by: quadrafire on October 30, 2017, 01:55:30 PM
I'm glad this hasn't turned into an anti-ORV issue like it normally does... :chuckle:just wait
Post by: vandeman17 on October 30, 2017, 01:57:47 PM
I'm glad this hasn't turned into an anti-ORV issue like it normally does... :chuckle:
Don't even get me started on those lazy SOBs! :chuckle: Jk I have no issue with orv and atv guys that follow the rules and stay on designated legal roads. They push animals to me. :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 30, 2017, 02:00:41 PM
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Post by: runamuk on October 31, 2017, 03:17:58 PM
With deer, really??? Its a animal that your probably only getting 50#s of meat from +or- 10# (I'm talking blacktail in western wa.) so in my head its not worth being a bone head. Use your head the way it was intended.So I started hunting in 2009 and my first season was western WA blacktail and it was really hard, because every single place I scouted I found a truck or 3 so I moved along. Basically I ended up not hunting because my ethics said don't walk in on someone etc.
I now hunt eastern WA we get 11 days. That's it. I get maybe 4 between work and health. I can't hike like I could, I can't drive places the way I could. I have no partner. I just do the best I can but the woods are public I will go where it works best for me. Because if I do not care about ME it's proven no one else will.
What I hate are guys who block dead end roads as if they own that road or the guys who hang no trespassing signs on public land, or the dozen guys who will walk in right on top of me and then scope me.
I may kill something some day but it's insanely hard to just go hunt out there and in my case it's not getting easier and may actually end.
So maybe consider that what you think is just inconsiderate is people trying to enjoy the outdoors not ruin your hunt.
Post by: Stumps on October 31, 2017, 09:09:11 PM
So there he sits all quiet when 3 guys come walking down, all camo, no guns whispering back and forth. I assume they were scouting for either muzzleloader or archery given the clothing. They stop and glass the clearing that my buddy is set up on. My buddy lets out a little cough to let them know he is there and they immediately turns to see him sitting there, then move into his sight line on the clearing. Then the start loudly talking and fidgeting with a radio.
I am a quarter mile up the trail by this point and my radio starts vibrating, but there is no voice coming across. I hit the call button and then hear a voice not my buddy's coming over the radio. The other "hunters" were switching channels broadcasting to try to make other people's radios make noise. They eventually move on from my buddy's location and move down my way.
I had thought I saw a ear flick and was glassing an area pretty hard while hiding behind a tree. The three guys see me and instead of moving away or going around they headed straight for me and start talking loudly again. I decide at this point that the area is likely blown and head back to the tree where I left my buddy. He then explains what they did in front of his spot once they saw him. On the way out it took every ounce of self control I had not to do something to their truck.
They were purposely going out spoiling other people's season in hopes those deer would be around when it was their turn again.
Post by: Stumps on October 31, 2017, 09:15:36 PM
Weird hunt, think my buddy is bad luck. Also saw something I had never seen before on that hunt. A teepee made out of cut Scotch Broom. It was set up where it could have been used as a blind and has a small fire ring in the center of the floor.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 31, 2017, 09:23:35 PM
I took a buddy out that has never gotten a deer, this is his second year hunting. I had him a good spot under a tree, with low hanging branches overlooking a well used game trail. We were about a half mile in from the trailhead and no one else was there when we arrived. I told him that I was going to head down the trail a bit further and hook around to see if I could push anything his way.There's a bowhunter that goes into one of the elk areas to check his cameras during modern, he bugles his way down the roads and just stomps around crashing in the brush trying to find his cameras. :dunno:
So there he sits all quiet when 3 guys come walking down, all camo, no guns whispering back and forth. I assume they were scouting for either muzzleloader or archery given the clothing. They stop and glass the clearing that my buddy is set up on. My buddy lets out a little cough to let them know he is there and they immediately turns to see him sitting there, then move into his sight line on the clearing. Then the start loudly talking and fidgeting with a radio.
I am a quarter mile up the trail by this point and my radio starts vibrating, but there is no voice coming across. I hit the call button and then hear a voice not my buddy's coming over the radio. The other "hunters" were switching channels broadcasting to try to make other people's radios make noise. They eventually move on from my buddy's location and move down my way.
I had thought I saw a ear flick and was glassing an area pretty hard while hiding behind a tree. The three guys see me and instead of moving away or going around they headed straight for me and start talking loudly again. I decide at this point that the area is likely blown and head back to the tree where I left my buddy. He then explains what they did in front of his spot once they saw him. On the way out it took every ounce of self control I had not to do something to their truck.
They were purposely going out spoiling other people's season in hopes those deer would be around when it was their turn again.
Post by: ruttnbuck on October 31, 2017, 10:01:47 PM
With deer, really??? Its a animal that your probably only getting 50#s of meat from +or- 10# (I'm talking blacktail in western wa.) so in my head its not worth being a bone head. Use your head the way it was intended.So I started hunting in 2009 and my first season was western WA blacktail and it was really hard, because every single place I scouted I found a truck or 3 so I moved along. Basically I ended up not hunting because my ethics said don't walk in on someone etc.
I now hunt eastern WA we get 11 days. That's it. I get maybe 4 between work and health. I can't hike like I could, I can't drive places the way I could. I have no partner. I just do the best I can but the woods are public I will go where it works best for me. Because if I do not care about ME it's proven no one else will.
What I hate are guys who block dead end roads as if they own that road or the guys who hang no trespassing signs on public land, or the dozen guys who will walk in right on top of me and then scope me.
I may kill something some day but it's insanely hard to just go hunt out there and in my case it's not getting easier and may actually end.
So maybe consider that what you think is just inconsiderate is people trying to enjoy the outdoors not ruin your hunt.
I hunt timber company leased permit areas so there is not much places where a guy can just go out and hike crosscountry , the road are well maintained so there's no roads that are ditched out . So when I find a little spur road that's got a good looking cut at the end of the road i'm not going too just drive into it and blow whatever is there out, no I'm gonna park my truck and walk so I can actually have a chance at seeing something at least. So if someone gets mad because I wanted to walk rather then drive in, well im sorry and I'd hope whoever came up on me would be considerate enough to turn around.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on October 31, 2017, 10:31:20 PM
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Post by: Janitor on November 01, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
They can even block a dead end road before daylight and wait until it's light enough to see. To me that's smart hunting. Why go into an area before day light and scare the game away or drive all the way out on the landing when you don't need to. Old bucks are smart any hint of danger and they leave. When I come upon other hunters I fully respect them and back out quietly.
Post by: Stein on November 01, 2017, 11:16:57 AM
Myself, I have blown into an area where guys were hunting, mostly because I was new at it or new to the area and didn't know what I was doing. I've also had it done to me many times.
It's part of the public land hunting game and I agree what happens in the woods pales in comparison to marshes. Show up at one of the open Puget Sound sites on any given Saturday morning and it will make the densest general elk season seem like a gentleman's game.
Post by: singleshot12 on November 01, 2017, 01:00:38 PM
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Post by: brew on November 01, 2017, 05:49:19 PM
Is hunting season over yet, this old argument is just as old and tired in 2017 as it was in 2009.runamuk you said it perfectly as usual...thanks for being one of the few voices of reason on the site
Either go to places without roads or get over yourself and realize roads are for driving. This is truly your problem not an ethical dilemma. It was also my problem when it used to annoy me. I simply changed how I hunt and how I respond to others.
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Post by: ruttnbuck on November 01, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
Ruttnbuck I'm with you, I get it. If somebody gets to where I want to hunt before me good for them. I'll go some where else.
They can even block a dead end road before daylight and wait until it's light enough to see. To me that's smart hunting. Why go into an area before day light and scare the game away or drive all the way out on the landing when you don't need to. Old bucks are smart any hint of danger and they leave. When I come upon other hunters I fully respect them and back out quietly.
Janitor its good to know there's a few left with common sense. It doesn't matter what I say a lot of people are stuck on the fact that they have Rights to be in there and they do, but sometimes it doesn't make sense to be inconsiderate and screw someone over just because it's public land or "I Have a right" to go where I want. Of course there's instance that are going to happen when there'll be multiple trucks parked at an area with a lot of acres that would make sense for multiple hunters to be in at one time ... go for it but with the instance that I had happen last wknd should of been common sense to the other hunter. Oh well keep on keeping on.
Post by: vandeman17 on November 02, 2017, 09:18:40 AM
Ruttnbuck I'm with you, I get it. If somebody gets to where I want to hunt before me good for them. I'll go some where else.
They can even block a dead end road before daylight and wait until it's light enough to see. To me that's smart hunting. Why go into an area before day light and scare the game away or drive all the way out on the landing when you don't need to. Old bucks are smart any hint of danger and they leave. When I come upon other hunters I fully respect them and back out quietly.
Janitor its good to know there's a few left with common sense. It doesn't matter what I say a lot of people are stuck on the fact that they have Rights to be in there and they do, but sometimes it doesn't make sense to be inconsiderate and screw someone over just because it's public land or "I Have a right" to go where I want. Of course there's instance that are going to happen when there'll be multiple trucks parked at an area with a lot of acres that would make sense for multiple hunters to be in at one time ... go for it but with the instance that I had happen last wknd should of been common sense to the other hunter. Oh well keep on keeping on.
You are pointing to a specific instance with a specific hunter. No one is arguing that what he did wasn't "ethical" given those exact circumstances, what most of us are saying is the vast majority of hunters and vast majority of situations regarding roads, landings, and all that are totally different.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 02, 2017, 09:33:20 AM
Post by: Seabass on November 02, 2017, 09:55:43 AM
Reading the mind of a stranger doesn't really fall into the common sense "duh" category. If I come across your vehicle on the side of the road, how the F am I supposed to know the details of your hunt and how the F do you know mine? Without having ever met me, you know for certain that I know the area well enough to know that what I am doing is definitely going to screw you? In my best Chris Carter voice, "come on man!"
Not everybody who does something differently than the next guys is an idiot or disrespectful.
Post by: lord grizzly on November 02, 2017, 11:18:54 AM
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 02, 2017, 11:47:34 AM
any body getting upset about someone driving by them while there road hunting is ridiculous. your hunting form a road. a open road, you should know the deal...
Definition of Road hunting too me is when someone is hunting from vehicle while driving through units. So when I'm pulled over and walking down a small dead end road that's not leading to big area just leading to a small cut, I'm not road hunting in my book . Now if I was driving down that dead end road hunting then I'd be road hunting. Am I not correct?
Post by: runamuk on November 02, 2017, 12:01:54 PM
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 02, 2017, 12:31:18 PM
If I am within a mile of a road I consider myself to be road hunting. I don't expect everyone to hold the same opinion. If people driving down the road have an impact on my hunt I am road hunting.
Wow good to know, then the majority of hunters in western wa are road hunters including myself even though I've always considered myself a hunter who gets out and beats the brush rather then hunting while driving roads all day.
All I'm saying is that we should be able too give respect to another hunter where its due and if using common sense too determine that, then so be it. My definition of common sense is making a decision that should be easy to make without over analysing it.
Post by: Seabass on November 02, 2017, 01:02:47 PM
any body getting upset about someone driving by them while there road hunting is ridiculous. your hunting form a road. a open road, you should know the deal...
Definition of Road hunting too me is when someone is hunting from vehicle while driving through units. So when I'm pulled over and walking down a small dead end road that's not leading to big area just leading to a small cut, I'm not road hunting in my book . Now if I was driving down that dead end road hunting then I'd be road hunting. Am I not correct?
Exactly...."your definition"
Post by: beav1980 on November 02, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 02, 2017, 01:17:42 PM
Post by: lord grizzly on November 02, 2017, 01:20:51 PM
If people driving down the road have an impact on my hunt I am road hunting.
this is accurate
Post by: ian_padron on November 02, 2017, 01:29:12 PM
Roads are available for anyone to drive as little or as far as they want. Even if the rig is parked at the end doesn't mean they have to or even should leave. There is plenty of area to hunt and getting bent out of shape about it does no good. :twocents:Agreed 100% ^
Public roads on public land...what's the issue OP?
Maybe hike in a bit further next time.
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on November 02, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
If I am within a mile of a road I consider myself to be road hunting. I don't expect everyone to hold the same opinion. If people driving down the road have an impact on my hunt I am road hunting.
The units I usually hunt in Western WA have little if any area that is more than a mile from a logging road. I guess we are all road hunters. lol
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 02, 2017, 02:10:13 PM
If I am within a mile of a road I consider myself to be road hunting. I don't expect everyone to hold the same opinion. If people driving down the road have an impact on my hunt I am road hunting.
Wow good to know, then the majority of hunters in western wa are road hunters including myself even though I've always considered myself a hunter who gets out and beats the brush rather then hunting while driving roads all day.
All I'm saying is that we should be able too give respect to another hunter where its due and if using common sense too determine that, then so be it. My definition of common sense is making a decision that should be easy to make without over analysing it.
You can do what you think is right. Don't expect others to do what you think is right. That just leads to unfulfilled expectations. What if that other truck had a disabled hunter in it who can only shoot from landings? Might be an Afghan vet with a leg gone or a spine injury - you don't know. Again, public land is free for all.
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 02, 2017, 02:13:11 PM
You can't try to make a public road private by parking your vehicle in the middle of it.
I'm not trying to make it private all I'm saying is if the rd is less then a mile (and the majority of hunters know how far back it goes but I know there are times u get a newbie in the area. ) then I would expect someone to give a guy some room or at least come in contact if possible and be a good steward . I know myself I'm not going to waist my time if I see someone parked at the beginning of a dead end road, ill keep going and go to plan B .
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 02, 2017, 02:35:15 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on November 02, 2017, 02:38:49 PM
It just seems like people don't like making logical decisions , if it's not how they where taught or if it's not how the other person would do it then they freak out, screw it make a decision based on how you'd want too be treated . I try too and hope some day it'll benefit.
What is logical to you might not be logical to others, just a thought. :tup:
Post by: runamuk on November 02, 2017, 03:12:06 PM
Exactly if you can't escape the roads you are still sort of road hunting so use it to your advantage.If I am within a mile of a road I consider myself to be road hunting. I don't expect everyone to hold the same opinion. If people driving down the road have an impact on my hunt I am road hunting.
The units I usually hunt in Western WA have little if any area that is more than a mile from a logging road. I guess we are all road hunters. lol
I have little sympathy, I have lots of weird stuff that has happened to me because I hunt alone and am female and people try to intimidate me. I tried to be super ethical then realized in some areas there us zero escape so change how I react, change my tactics.
I probably should shut up like I was told to do in the past because I have never killed anything so my opinion was not only unwanted but pointless. That's the sort of stuff I have had to deal with.
And yet here I am still trying ALONE with lots of strikes against me. I will kill something other than skunks some day. And the ethics of other hunters won't have anything to do with it
Post by: davk on November 02, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 02, 2017, 08:42:17 PM
I find it funny that blocking roads is acceptable to some people on here. As if there is simply one area to hunt off dead end roads. Maybe Ill block the road out ... dont want you driving by and disrupting my hunt. :bash:
Im not saying to block the damn road i'm saying if I park (not blocking )there wouldn't it be considerate thing to do to keep going rather then drive down a road that someone is already walking down??? I'd like to say yes but what I've been gathering is nope people are gonna do what they want so pretty much get over it and deal with it. Whatever im done, delete this damn post Its pointless anymore.
Post by: Crunchy on November 02, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 02, 2017, 09:32:50 PM
Post by: shootingblanks on November 02, 2017, 10:27:21 PM
Someone blocking a road that keeps going aways though is not cool.
Post by: cryder on November 03, 2017, 02:04:47 AM
Post by: lord grizzly on November 03, 2017, 06:11:30 AM
I kind of understand why some people aren't getting it. He's talking about hunting on Weyerhaeuser land. If you haven't hunted Weyerhaeuser tree farms it might be difficult to understand. But basically, there is no where that you can walk, that you can't also drive. All the roads are drive-able and well maintained. Sure you might be able to find a patch of timber here and there where you can get 1/4 mile from the road and hunt. But if you're hunting the clearcuts, like 99% of the people do, and for good reason, because that's where the deer are, then you pretty much have to either walk, or drive on roads when you're hunting. And he's talking a short spur road that goes out onto a landing where you can get a good look at the clearcut. I don't know how long this particular road in this instance was, but sometimes they're only 100 yards long, if that. There's no reason to drive down to the end of it and scare any deer that might be around. So most people park and walk out. If you park and walk, it doesn't help when someone else decides to just drive on out there. It's happened to me before and I totally understand what he's talking about.
I've hunted a ton of blacktail for years on miles and miles of timber company land back when I lived west of the mountains. I think what the OP isn't getting is that to get as upset as he is and throw a post up about how its "called respect" obviously shows he doesn't know the deal out there when hunting this type of land. you parked on an open road, you were hunting an open road and the guy that drove by you was doing the same thing, short landing or not. for all he knew you stopped there and went off the other side through the timber. if you don't like that id suggest finding a new way/place to hunt. that's usually how guys get into backpacking. I have killed some smoker blacktails back in the day and they were all taken form areas like this post is talking about, biggest one I ever killed I actually watched a crew cab ford with an ass in every seat drive right by at 20 mph. I pulled over and dumped him, that buck was pushing 140, couldn't believe those guys didn't see him
Post by: MADMAX on November 03, 2017, 06:47:32 AM
shot both my biggest blacktails and a cougar (which I called in) on state land full of shotgun shells and broken glass close to roads
gated now
I hate the lack of respect to the land more than a guy in a truck
Post by: 2MANY on November 03, 2017, 08:13:05 AM
Some hunters work hard avoiding them.
Any guess which hunters are more successful??
Post by: bigmacc on November 03, 2017, 09:16:16 AM
JONI MITCHELL COULD HELP YAUL ,, as she so ozmic ally put it ,, Put up a parking lot , public lands are no fun or very successfully for any lazy Doritos crunch , beer drinking , truck seat hunters , who forgot to work out a little before the season comes along instead of sitting around goof juice in and planning there drive ,r , I mean hunt , but anyways ,,,, get out there ! And take a look g hike away from the slacked jawed yokel collecting parking fees and selling googler connect , then your hunting
Finally, the voice of reason :tup:...thankyou cryder :hello:
Post by: Angry Perch on November 03, 2017, 09:33:31 AM
You can't try to make a public road private by parking your vehicle in the middle of it.
I'm not trying to make it private all I'm saying is if the rd is less then a mile (and the majority of hunters know how far back it goes but I know there are times u get a newbie in the area. ) then I would expect someone to give a guy some room or at least come in contact if possible and be a good steward . I know myself I'm not going to waist my time if I see someone parked at the beginning of a dead end road, ill keep going and go to plan B .
A mile? If I'm driving to my chosen clearcut for a morning hunt, and I see an orange vest strolling down the road a mile out, I'm supposed to turn around?
Post by: Elkcollector82 on November 03, 2017, 12:32:26 PM
You can't try to make a public road private by parking your vehicle in the middle of it.
I'm not trying to make it private all I'm saying is if the rd is less then a mile (and the majority of hunters know how far back it goes but I know there are times u get a newbie in the area. ) then I would expect someone to give a guy some room or at least come in contact if possible and be a good steward . I know myself I'm not going to waist my time if I see someone parked at the beginning of a dead end road, ill keep going and go to plan B .
A mile? If I'm driving to my chosen clearcut for a morning hunt, and I see an orange vest strolling down the road a mile out, I'm supposed to turn around?
If you see me leave the gas station with an orange vest and take a right down Main Street. You better respect my hunting and you go left on Main Street. :chuckle:
Post by: Crunchy on November 03, 2017, 12:37:31 PM
Post by: jagermiester on November 03, 2017, 01:12:43 PM
If you are complaining about this change your own habits. You'll probably find something new that you can truly enjoy.
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 03, 2017, 01:40:18 PM
I just read this whole thread for the first time. What in the world?????
If you are complaining about this change your own habits. You'll probably find something new that you can truly enjoy.
You know , I do truly enjoy hunting. Have you ever hunted western wa? Ever parked your truck at a spur rd or small dead end rd to walk to the cut rather then drive? Has anyone ever drove down behind you while your walking into a area, if so how did you feel about it? I'm not asking for a much I thought , just that people would use common sense , Is that too much to ask? Or is it nonexistent ? :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 03, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on November 03, 2017, 01:52:32 PM
I just read this whole thread for the first time. What in the world?????
If you are complaining about this change your own habits. You'll probably find something new that you can truly enjoy.
You know , I do truly enjoy hunting. Have you ever hunted western wa? Ever parked your truck at a spur rd or small dead end rd to walk to the cut rather then drive? Has anyone ever drove down behind you while your walking into a area, if so how did you feel about it? I'm not asking for a much I thought , just that people would use common sense , Is that too much to ask? Or is it nonexistent ? :dunno:
I would say it is, and I also hate to say it, but it is pretty much nonexistent.
Now a days, if somebody isn't doing something they way someone else does,or thinks they should, or it in some way impacts them in a way they don't like, then it becomes a large, emotional at times, problem.
Not just hunters and fishermen, but sadly in just about ever aspect of everyday life...
People have no considerstion for anything other than themselves and what is important to them, to even consider a little courtsey or consideration for someone else. Unless of course, it can benefit them...
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 03, 2017, 02:08:33 PM
I just read this whole thread for the first time. What in the world?????
If you are complaining about this change your own habits. You'll probably find something new that you can truly enjoy.
You know , I do truly enjoy hunting. Have you ever hunted western wa? Ever parked your truck at a spur rd or small dead end rd to walk to the cut rather then drive? Has anyone ever drove down behind you while your walking into a area, if so how did you feel about it? I'm not asking for a much I thought , just that people would use common sense , Is that too much to ask? Or is it nonexistent ? :dunno:
I would say it is, and I also hate to say it, but it is pretty much nonexistent.
Now a days, if somebody isn't doing something they way someone else does,or thinks they should, or it in some way impacts them in a way they don't like, then it becomes a large, emotional at times, problem.
Not just hunters and fishermen, but sadly in just about ever aspect of everyday life...
People have no considerstion for anything other than themselves and what is important to them, to even consider a little courtsey or consideration for someone else. Unless of course, it can benefit them...
Bam!! Awesome answer Thank you! Sorry I don't mean to be all Dr Phil on here but dang I thought this would be easy resolution but obviously not. To bad society couldn't get back to where people cared about little things like this rather then ,oh well he'll get over it or screw him i wanted in that area. I'm just saying that there's a time and place too use common sense. We know what it is when we see it don't be afraid to use.
Post by: lord grizzly on November 03, 2017, 02:24:15 PM
I just read this whole thread for the first time. What in the world?????
If you are complaining about this change your own habits. You'll probably find something new that you can truly enjoy.
You know , I do truly enjoy hunting. Have you ever hunted western wa? Ever parked your truck at a spur rd or small dead end rd to walk to the cut rather then drive? Has anyone ever drove down behind you while your walking into a area, if so how did you feel about it? I'm not asking for a much I thought , just that people would use common sense , Is that too much to ask? Or is it nonexistent ? :dunno:
I would say it is, and I also hate to say it, but it is pretty much nonexistent.
Now a days, if somebody isn't doing something they way someone else does,or thinks they should, or it in some way impacts them in a way they don't like, then it becomes a large, emotional at times, problem.
Not just hunters and fishermen, but sadly in just about ever aspect of everyday life...
People have no considerstion for anything other than themselves and what is important to them, to even consider a little courtsey or consideration for someone else. Unless of course, it can benefit them...
Bam!! Awesome answer Thank you! Sorry I don't mean to be all Dr Phil on here but dang I thought this would be easy resolution but obviously not. To bad society couldn't get back to where people cared about little things like this rather then ,oh well he'll get over it or screw him i wanted in that area. I'm just saying that there's a time and place too use common sense. We know what it is when we see it don't be afraid to use.
that answer from blacktail sniper could be translated from both sides of the original equation here. just saying...
Post by: vandeman17 on November 03, 2017, 02:45:16 PM
I just read this whole thread for the first time. What in the world?????
If you are complaining about this change your own habits. You'll probably find something new that you can truly enjoy.
You know , I do truly enjoy hunting. Have you ever hunted western wa? Ever parked your truck at a spur rd or small dead end rd to walk to the cut rather then drive? Has anyone ever drove down behind you while your walking into a area, if so how did you feel about it? I'm not asking for a much I thought , just that people would use common sense , Is that too much to ask? Or is it nonexistent ? :dunno:
I would say it is, and I also hate to say it, but it is pretty much nonexistent.
Now a days, if somebody isn't doing something they way someone else does,or thinks they should, or it in some way impacts them in a way they don't like, then it becomes a large, emotional at times, problem.
Not just hunters and fishermen, but sadly in just about ever aspect of everyday life...
People have no considerstion for anything other than themselves and what is important to them, to even consider a little courtsey or consideration for someone else. Unless of course, it can benefit them...
Bam!! Awesome answer Thank you! Sorry I don't mean to be all Dr Phil on here but dang I thought this would be easy resolution but obviously not. To bad society couldn't get back to where people cared about little things like this rather then ,oh well he'll get over it or screw him i wanted in that area. I'm just saying that there's a time and place too use common sense. We know what it is when we see it don't be afraid to use.
I don't know how this is a resolution or how you expected to get one by posting a thread about something that has happened and is over with. Sounds like you just needed someone to agree with your train of thought so if that is the case, congrats.
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 03, 2017, 02:57:24 PM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on November 03, 2017, 03:14:23 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on November 03, 2017, 03:19:30 PM
Nope I didn't say it was resolution , I said I thought it would be a easy resolution but obviously it's not. The resolution would be for us to pull our heads out of our a** and do something about it.
So you get hunts ruined by inconsiderate hunters, you pay hundreds of dollars just to access the land to get hunts ruined. How is that enjoyable? Common sense tells me to change my tactics and save my money.
Post by: vandeman17 on November 03, 2017, 03:29:55 PM
I had the most irritating thing happen to me this year in 124 just trying to fill a doe permit (2nd deer). I got out at O-dark thirty walking up an old skidder path on the edge of a clear cut. I got 3/4 of the way up the mountain and 2 jack wagons pull up right behind my pickup and proceed to come up the same skidder path. They HAD to see my flash light. I got set up over this little canyon and they broke off and set up no more than 150 yards from me. A bit later, 3 guys set up a 150 yards from them. Then, about 8:15 or so, 4 guys and 4 kids walked right up behind me no more than 50 yards. They proceed to walk right past me into the canyon. We exchanged some words and I shook my head and got up and left for Winthrop to mule deer camp. God was I pi$$ed. Some hunters are just utterly clueless.
Sounds more like waterfowl to me
Post by: Seahawk12 on November 03, 2017, 03:39:04 PM
Perhaps this specifically needs to start being addressed in the hunter safety courses.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on November 03, 2017, 03:51:34 PM
Inconsiderate or not a lot of this falls into the category of dangerous behavior. If I know there is a hunter in an area I'm not going to enter that area because I would prefer to not be shot. I'm not talking about someone going crazy and shooting me on purpose either. I'm talking about someone taking and missing a shot on an animal and the round or arrow then hitting me.
Perhaps this specifically needs to start being addressed in the hunter safety courses.
Where do you go to hunt that nobody else is around?
Post by: Seahawk12 on November 03, 2017, 03:52:44 PM
If I say that then there will be people around. :tung:Inconsiderate or not a lot of this falls into the category of dangerous behavior. If I know there is a hunter in an area I'm not going to enter that area because I would prefer to not be shot. I'm not talking about someone going crazy and shooting me on purpose either. I'm talking about someone taking and missing a shot on an animal and the round or arrow then hitting me.
Perhaps this specifically needs to start being addressed in the hunter safety courses.
Where do you go to hunt that nobody else is around?
Post by: bigmacc on November 03, 2017, 03:54:02 PM
I had the most irritating thing happen to me this year in 124 just trying to fill a doe permit (2nd deer). I got out at O-dark thirty walking up an old skidder path on the edge of a clear cut. I got 3/4 of the way up the mountain and 2 jack wagons pull up right behind my pickup and proceed to come up the same skidder path. They HAD to see my flash light. I got set up over this little canyon and they broke off and set up no more than 150 yards from me. A bit later, 3 guys set up a 150 yards from them. Then, about 8:15 or so, 4 guys and 4 kids walked right up behind me no more than 50 yards. They proceed to walk right past me into the canyon. We exchanged some words and I shook my head and got up and left for Winthrop to mule deer camp. God was I pi$$ed. Some hunters are just utterly clueless.
I said it in another thread with details, we ran into very poor hunter ethics, etiquette,respect or plain old common sense whatever you want to call it, all over the Methow this year. Seems to be a different breed of hunter out there today and a lot of them with kids (which is Wonderfull) but they are not being taught hunter courtesy, so there are more on the horizon I,m afraid. You can't teach common sense but hunter etiquette can be, I know we were taught it when we were young, my dad always said as far as fellow hunters go, "either lend a hand or stay out of their way, theres a lot of land out there, you can find another spot"
Post by: Elkcollector82 on November 03, 2017, 03:56:43 PM
If I say that then there will be people around. :tung:Inconsiderate or not a lot of this falls into the category of dangerous behavior. If I know there is a hunter in an area I'm not going to enter that area because I would prefer to not be shot. I'm not talking about someone going crazy and shooting me on purpose either. I'm talking about someone taking and missing a shot on an animal and the round or arrow then hitting me.
Perhaps this specifically needs to start being addressed in the hunter safety courses.
Where do you go to hunt that nobody else is around?
:chuckle: dang it.
Post by: b0bbyg on November 03, 2017, 04:08:46 PM
My thoughts, don't expect so much from others it leads to disappointment and frustration. Do your best to be considerate and friendly, you can only control your own actions. If it is illegal or dangerous call it in. If you are unhappy with what you are experiencing find a different way to hunt the area or hunt somewhere else.
It is a pain finding new areas but it is possible.
Good luck to those still with open tags,
Post by: bigmacc on November 03, 2017, 04:12:31 PM
Inconsiderate or not a lot of this falls into the category of dangerous behavior. If I know there is a hunter in an area I'm not going to enter that area because I would prefer to not be shot. I'm not talking about someone going crazy and shooting me on purpose either. I'm talking about someone taking and missing a shot on an animal and the round or arrow then hitting me.:yeah:
Perhaps this specifically needs to start being addressed in the hunter safety courses.
I don't know about now but this used to be taught in the coarse, hunter ethics was taught also. Like I said, a lot has to do with how we as "adult hunters" are teaching our young ones. I take my 2 granddaughters and grandson out all the time(13, 11 and 6), they have been taught by me, my daughter and son-in-law to respect fellow hunters. You will never see them if they see you first unless if they offer to help or lend a hand as I said earlier :tup:
Post by: gaddy on November 03, 2017, 04:45:45 PM
We talked to them and I'll be damned If they haden't gone all the way into the bottoms where no one else had balls enough to go. We were in a couple of miles, They went way further. They had parked behind my truck. Hiked in farther than I would have, and were successful. Should I be pissed that we launched from the same spot??
They parked at the same end of the road. Behind me, after me, and walked past me to hunt.
All me and my brothers could do was congratulate them and wish we were younger. I have been where they went and would never do it again. Had they not passed us by, they would not have been successful. We weren't, but it was not their fault for going past us.
Post by: big wood on November 03, 2017, 05:05:50 PM
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 03, 2017, 05:30:20 PM
I remember one year, My brothers and I got to a gated road, Parked and set out. We got to where we were going to hunt and set up. We thought we had the area covered pretty well. At day light these people came in behind us and Hiked on past. We talked a bit, they wished us well and went on. We didn't see them again all day long. About dark when we were meeting back at the PU, Here they come. All four of them were packing meat along with the game cart loaded.
We talked to them and I'll be damned If they haden't gone all the way into the bottoms where no one else had balls enough to go. We were in a couple of miles, They went way further. They had parked behind my truck. Hiked in farther than I would have, and were successful. Should I be pissed that we launched from the same spot??
They parked at the same end of the road. Behind me, after me, and walked past me to hunt.
All me and my brothers could do was congratulate them and wish we were younger. I have been where they went and would never do it again. Had they not passed us by, they would not have been successful. We weren't, but it was not their fault for going past us.
Not at all, that's a great example of common sense , is a great big area makes sense for more then just you and your brother hunting in there right?
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 03, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
Inconsiderate or not a lot of this falls into the category of dangerous behavior. If I know there is a hunter in an area I'm not going to enter that area because I would prefer to not be shot. I'm not talking about someone going crazy and shooting me on purpose either. I'm talking about someone taking and missing a shot on an animal and the round or arrow then hitting me.:yeah:
Perhaps this specifically needs to start being addressed in the hunter safety courses.
I don't know about now but this used to be taught in the coarse, hunter ethics was taught also. Like I said, a lot has to do with how we as "adult hunters" are teaching our young ones. I take my 2 granddaughters and grandson out all the time(13, 11 and 6), they have been taught by me, my daughter and son-in-law to respect fellow hunters. You will never see them if they see you first unless if they offer to help or lend a hand as I said earlier :tup:
Yes I remember taking my hunter ed class when I was11 and them teaching hunter ethics .. my son took it 5yrs ago and it was very little talked about but that kind of stuff is learned from us like you said in the field and luckily my son was with me last wknd when we had a bad experience and where able to talk about it and learn what not to do.
Post by: ruttnbuck on November 03, 2017, 06:15:45 PM
Well this thread lasted longer than I thought it would.
My thoughts, don't expect so much from others it leads to disappointment and frustration. Do your best to be considerate and friendly, you can only control your own actions. If it is illegal or dangerous call it in. If you are unhappy with what you are experiencing find a different way to hunt the area or hunt somewhere else.
It is a pain finding new areas but it is possible.
Good luck to those still with open tags,
Great thought thank you! Im just trying too get people to understand that we can all go out and have an enjoyable time each fall if we do the simple things . Public land is public land its not gonna change, so if a small percentage of guys and gals think before we act it might turn out to be a better day for everyone along with doing a good deed it might come back and the roles be reversed.
Post by: jagermiester on November 04, 2017, 09:05:01 PM
I just read this whole thread for the first time. What in the world?????
If you are complaining about this change your own habits. You'll probably find something new that you can truly enjoy.
You know , I do truly enjoy hunting. Have you ever hunted western wa? Ever parked your truck at a spur rd or small dead end rd to walk to the cut rather then drive? Has anyone ever drove down behind you while your walking into a area, if so how did you feel about it? I'm not asking for a much I thought , just that people would use common sense , Is that too much to ask? Or is it nonexistent ? :dunno:
You know what Ruttin Buck I have hunted Western WA. I used to hunt wheyrhauser in fall city. What a zoo. Then I hunted Taneaum creek (zoo). Then I moved to MT and hunted around Dillon. Heaven on earth. Then I moved back to the West side for work and family and now I hunt public land in WA that I wish I saw more people in because it would get some deer moving. Because there was no way I was going back to that.
I did not write that to offend anyone I wrote it to inspire you to change your perspective. Its time bro, time to move on let those people that do that kind of thing that disappoints you have that area, and find something better. Or let em walk in front of you an position yourself in a place that works for you.
:tup:
Post by: davk on November 05, 2017, 08:57:06 AM
If you didnt say that then my post wasn't to you. There are plenty of other people on here saying it.I find it funny that blocking roads is acceptable to some people on here. As if there is simply one area to hunt off dead end roads. Maybe Ill block the road out ... dont want you driving by and disrupting my hunt. :bash:
Im not saying to block the damn road i'm saying if I park (not blocking )there wouldn't it be considerate thing to do to keep going rather then drive down a road that someone is already walking down??? I'd like to say yes but what I've been gathering is nope people are gonna do what they want so pretty much get over it and deal with it. Whatever im done, delete this damn post Its pointless anymore.
Post by: davk on November 05, 2017, 09:25:21 AM
I just read this whole thread for the first time. What in the world?????:yeah: I used to hunt a fairly popular area where Id run into walkers, bird hunters, horseback riders, the occasional illegal ORV user, and a few hunters, who often were coming in late in the morning or coming out 45 min before dark. I would expect to have my hunting interrupted at least 50% of the time. Should have I complained about others use of public lands? No I was an adult and recognized I was putting myself in a position where I was going to be effected by other people. I no longer, or very rarely go into those spots. Instead I work hard to get away from people and have a much more enjoyable experience.
If you are complaining about this change your own habits. You'll probably find something new that you can truly enjoy.
Post by: Tinmaniac on November 05, 2017, 10:19:36 AM
Post by: hunter399 on November 05, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
Some funny thinking around here.I say don't block the road.Don't expect people to not drive a road that you have chosen to walk on.Get off the road if you don't want to be driven in on.I love roads,why walk when you can drive?How does anyone know where you are at simply because your rig is parked on the beginning of a dead end road?If there are cuts down that road people are going to drive to them.There should be no expectation that areas on public land are exclusive to you alone.To those that think you can block a road I ask this.Would you park your truck and trailer in the launch to block it so no one else can launch after you?The most disrespectful people are those that think they own public land.
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I agree with ya 110%
Post by: SCRUBS on November 05, 2017, 10:33:26 AM
Some funny thinking around here.I say don't block the road.Don't expect people to not drive a road that you have chosen to walk on.Get off the road if you don't want to be driven in on.I love roads,why walk when you can drive?How does anyone know where you are at simply because your rig is parked on the beginning of a dead end road?If there are cuts down that road people are going to drive to them.There should be no expectation that areas on public land are exclusive to you alone.To those that think you can block a road I ask this.Would you park your truck and trailer in the launch to block it so no one else can launch after you?The most disrespectful people are those that think they own public land.
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Post by: fishnfur on November 05, 2017, 12:49:45 PM
I didn't even see one hunter in the woods the entire 2016 and 2017 season when I was in more than a fifty yards off a road - That's hunting in Kitsap, Mason, Ryderwood, Willipa Hills, and others. I hear them drive by, then a moment later, no more noise, and I'm surrounded in silence again. No problem.
Post by: Crunchy on November 05, 2017, 01:04:26 PM
Post by: fishnfur on November 05, 2017, 02:12:17 PM