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Title: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: boneaddict on November 24, 2017, 10:16:35 AM: This is for fun folks, unlike counting eyeguards. Thats for real an issue. :chuckle: When you are telling folks you saw or shot a thirty incher, are you speaking of the frame or are you counting the stickers?

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Post by: emac on November 24, 2017, 10:21:06 AM: Frame only for me and inside spread

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Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 24, 2017, 10:38:50 AM: whatever I need to get to 30" !
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Post by: boneaddict on November 24, 2017, 10:40:52 AM: :chuckle:
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Post by: jackelope on November 24, 2017, 10:46:37 AM: Are we calling them stickers or cheaters? :o

Personally I think a 30" buck should be a 30" buck because of the size of his frame and not his stickers/cheaters...but really, I don't care. either way it's a big buck unless he's got foot long cheaters off of both sides.
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 24, 2017, 10:49:24 AM: Quote from: emac on November 24, 2017, 10:21:06 AM
Frame only for me and inside spread

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Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: boneaddict on November 24, 2017, 10:51:19 AM: Quote from: jackelope on November 24, 2017, 10:46:37 AM
Are we calling them stickers or cheaters? :o

Personally I think a 30" buck should be a 30" buck because of the size of his frame and not his stickers/cheaters...but really, I don't care. either way it's a big buck unless he's got foot long cheaters off of both sides.

then there is this guy...stickers on cheaters, LOL
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: 7mmfan on November 24, 2017, 10:56:01 AM: Frame only and inside spread.
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Post by: baldopepper on November 24, 2017, 11:41:19 AM: Kinda funny- I know several old timers who've hunted all their lives and have only seen maybe 2 or 3 deer 30" or over, yet some claim they see 2-3 per year. Have been out with "rookies" who swore every 4 point they saw was at least 36" but when they actually shot one it was usually in that 22-24" range. 30" bucks are hard to come by. you're out and about all the time boneaddict, how many do you think you've seen in your lifetime? I've hunted deer for over 56 years and have shot 2, none recently.
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: boneaddict on November 24, 2017, 11:48:43 AM: Well I look over a few more deer than the average person does every year. I saw a few of them this year, several of which are in my calendar, so at least I have proof. You are correct though. Lol. I imagine once a deer hits 26 inches, he is a thirty to most people, until that tape comes out. Same As the average 170 buck becomes a booner or a 200 incher.
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Post by: jrebel on November 24, 2017, 11:57:57 AM: Furthest outside edges to include stickers. :tup:
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Post by: grundy53 on November 24, 2017, 12:25:58 PM: Frame only

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Post by: fishngamereaper on November 24, 2017, 12:28:55 PM: I also refer to WWBACD.....

What Would Boone And Crockett DO :chuckle:
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: Dan-o on November 24, 2017, 01:18:42 PM: I say frame only - outside.

I have seen MANY such bucks while hunting.

Somehow, the 30" I've seen while hunting turn into 24" bucks on the meat pole. I must not be measuring them right.
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Post by: Jolten on November 24, 2017, 03:03:58 PM: Like my wife says... if you have a 12 inches of manhood, then it's time to stop measuring from you a-hole. Inside spread only for me.
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: Band on November 24, 2017, 03:09:27 PM: If I ever shoot one over 25" (including stickers, cheaters, and anything caught up in the antlers like sage brush or barbed wire) I'm going to round up to 30" and post all day long about it here. ;)
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: tgomez on November 24, 2017, 04:21:16 PM: Outside spread of the main frame.
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Post by: fish vacuum on November 24, 2017, 04:25:45 PM: Not an issue, since I never need to say I've seen or shot a 30 incher by any measurement.
I'll bet most of the 30" bucks reported were seen by guys who release 20lb steelhead on the regular.
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Post by: jstone on November 24, 2017, 09:25:06 PM: Frame
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Post by: THunt on November 24, 2017, 10:03:25 PM: If you can get 30 it’s 30!!
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Post by: kentrek on November 25, 2017, 12:09:32 AM: Id prefer to give the deer extra credit....i mean why the heck not ? If i told you i shot a 30 inch buck and showed you the rack only to find out it made 30 because of a 2 inch sticker would it change anything ?? Would it be less impressive ?? If it was a 24 inch buck with 3 inch kicker on each side would that still not be impressive??

I say give it to em....
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Post by: wolfbait on November 25, 2017, 01:02:31 AM: Nice looking buck, Bone. :tup:
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Post by: Jimmy33 on November 25, 2017, 07:04:36 AM: Frame.

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Post by: Kazekurt on November 25, 2017, 01:21:54 PM: Frame
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Post by: cbond3318 on November 25, 2017, 01:51:29 PM: I’ve shot numerous 30”ers. I always measure frame.

Take the outside spread of the antlers, not to include trash,take the width from Tip of ear to tip of ear , add the two together, bingo bango, head to the bar and rub it in there face!
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: dvolmer on November 25, 2017, 07:57:25 PM: All of your hunting shows, magazines, and so forth measure from the outside of the frame and include the stickers or cheaters or whatever you all want to call them. With that said, I don't know if I really agree that that's the way to do it, but if we are going to compare apples to apples then we need to keep it all the same so when someone says they shot a 30 incher we will know what they are talking about. If it was up to me it would be the main frame only measured on the largest outside spread.
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: Kazekurt on November 25, 2017, 09:53:50 PM: Quote from: dvolmer on November 25, 2017, 07:57:25 PM
All of your hunting shows, magazines, and so forth measure from the outside of the frame and include the stickers or cheaters or whatever you all want to call them. With that said, I don't know if I really agree that that's the way to do it, but if we are going to compare apples to apples then we need to keep it all the same so when someone says they shot a 30 incher we will know what they are talking about. If it was up to me it would be the main frame only measured on the largest outside spread.

Bingo! This is exactly how I see it.
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: SkookumHntr on November 27, 2017, 08:09:20 AM: put the rack against the wall on the floor, put a tape against the wall and measure it that way, that's how we do it.
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Post by: PolarBear on November 27, 2017, 08:18:26 AM: Frame
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Post by: 2MANY on November 27, 2017, 08:52:11 AM: Inside spread on the frame???
Does that include inside spread between any similar forks or just between the main beams??
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Post by: 7mmfan on November 27, 2017, 08:56:57 AM: I have always measured the widest inside spread. This years buck measured almost exactly 27" between the 2 matching points. I actually measured all kinds of different angles, and that was still the widest point.

It seems if you only measured main beams, you'd be selling him short most of the time.
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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 27, 2017, 10:29:18 AM: Maximum outside spread!
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Post by: SureThing on November 28, 2017, 09:03:52 PM: I’m impressed with all the different answers. I always assumed that everyone measured the same way since Boone and Crocket and Pope n Young defined how to measure the spread. Honestly i believe a trophy is in the eye of the beholder. My goal is to spot and stalk a true 30” and make a clean kill at least one mile from the truck. I want to feel like i put some skin in the game. I hold out for mature bucks and keep practicing on the smaller ones so when i get the chance it will work out well. Until then, when i describe my deer it will be widest inside spread western count. I value the hunt and effort i put into the hunt more than deer’s measurement. :twocents:
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Post by: coachcw on November 29, 2017, 06:23:28 AM: what ever it takes even if you have to split the skull plate .....just like stepping on a fish .
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Post by: boneaddict on November 29, 2017, 06:40:36 AM: :chuckle:
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Post by: Dan-o on November 29, 2017, 07:41:13 AM: Quote from: coachcw on November 29, 2017, 06:23:28 AM
what ever it takes even if you have to split the skull plate .....just like stepping on a fish .

LOL

I see you've hunted and fished with my older brother.
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: Whitenuckles on November 29, 2017, 07:57:01 AM: I voted who cares..... that's bigger than any mulie I've ever had a chance at!!! I'd take him no questions asked. A truly amazing buck!
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: baldopepper on November 29, 2017, 08:09:21 AM: Years ago Wolfes sporting goods in Salt Lake had an annual widest spread contest, first place was a new jeep. They always used a sliding box that they put the spread in and slid the one side of the box until it stopped. Basically using the widest spread including cheaters. One fellow won it a couple of years in a row and finally he no longer entered. Rumor had it that he was actually soaking the horns in some sort of solution and spreading them out. They did actually look really weird and a lot of us questioned where they came from. Supposedly Wolfes was too embarrassed to admit the problem and just barred him from entering again. (usually took a spread of over 40" to win and winners were announced on a special TV show on a local station) I think they had a total of 30 prizes with 2nd place usually a nice rifle, my brother took 2nd one year with a 37" spread.
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: boneaddict on November 29, 2017, 08:29:24 AM: I’ve seen a lot of them. I have the book Utah’s biggest bucks and bulls. I can see why they don’t do big buck contests anymore. A Jeep is pretty good incentive to do bad things. Some of those looked like longhorns. I have seen one that naturally did that though. He was about a 35-40inch two point. Bumped him two different days never got his picture
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Post by: baldopepper on November 29, 2017, 09:08:06 AM: Funny thing is a lot of the winners were shot by first time hunters who just got lucky. Guy who beat my brother out shot his deer about 10 minutes outside of Salt Lake while he was sitting about 100 yards from his car eating lunch. Place he shot it is now a golf course. What's the old saying? "Better to be lucky than good".
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: Skillet on November 29, 2017, 09:54:02 AM: Every wide mule deer is measured as a 30'er in one way or another.

28", trash included = "almost 30"
29", trash included = "probably 30 before he dried"
30", trash included = "Honest to God 30!!!"
30" frame = "30 frame, plus some trash" -

Anything over a 30" frame is just "frame plus trash." Gotta stay humble :chuckle:
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Post by: 2MANY on November 29, 2017, 09:56:15 AM: Some deer are a legit 30" widest inside spread and 30" out to out on the cheaters.
Weird but true.
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 29, 2017, 10:01:04 AM: How many bucks with a legitimate 30 inside spread actually get the full spread credit? Should it have to be able to score with 30+ spread credit to count as a legit 30 incher?
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: 2MANY on November 29, 2017, 10:28:25 AM: Nets are for fish.
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Post by: Rainier10 on November 29, 2017, 10:49:04 AM: Quote from: BULLBLASTER on November 29, 2017, 10:01:04 AM
How many bucks with a legitimate 30 inside spread actually get the full spread credit? Should it have to be able to score with 30+ spread credit to count as a legit 30 incher?
My guess is none but I would love to see a deer with a 30" main beam and a 30" inside spread.
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 29, 2017, 10:52:14 AM: Outside, plus stickers, plus 10%

:chuckle: inside only
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 29, 2017, 11:29:11 AM: Quote from: Jonathan_S on November 29, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
Outside, plus stickers, plus 10%

:chuckle: inside only
:yeah: and it’s perfectly acceptable to include the stickers the buck hadn’t grown yet.... you know because if he had made it next year he would have grown them! :yike:
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Post by: coachcw on November 29, 2017, 11:48:45 AM: Metric Bucks ! Right BB.?
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 29, 2017, 12:29:48 PM: Quote from: coachcw on November 29, 2017, 11:48:45 AM
Metric Bucks ! Right BB.?
Correct. It’s really pretty easy to hit the metric 30 mark! Especially late in the hunt!
Title: Re: Thirty Inch debate (poll)
Post by: 7mmfan on November 29, 2017, 03:55:24 PM: Quote from: 2MANY on November 29, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
Nets are for fish.

:yeah: This