Post by: logger on November 26, 2017, 05:58:27 PM
Post by: andr3wxmma on November 26, 2017, 06:05:17 PM
Post by: brew on November 26, 2017, 06:15:09 PM
Post by: The100Road on November 26, 2017, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: cem3434 on November 26, 2017, 06:43:56 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on November 27, 2017, 10:16:31 AM
Post by: PolarBear on November 27, 2017, 10:31:54 AM
Post by: Antlershed on November 27, 2017, 11:04:17 AM
I did see some huge elk trails in Vail while I was deer hunting, but didn’t spend any time chasing them around up there.
Post by: gonehuntin68 on November 27, 2017, 12:01:49 PM
Post by: PolarBear on November 27, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
There are about 3 spots that they live in all the time, other then that its just *censored*house luck to find them.. I certainly wouldn't buy the pass to go up there hunting them.This is my last year buying a key.. Worst deer hunting and poaching that I have ever seen up there.
There is a nice herd with a monster bull above the blast pit at the upper end of the lake. Unfortunately it is off limits to permit holders and they know that they are safe there. :chuckle:
Post by: brew on November 27, 2017, 05:52:52 PM
i'll second the poaching problem..i've got Fri, Sat and Sundays off...usually take a few hours off on Thursdays just to hunt closer spots to the gate on that nite...have seen 6-7 trucks heading up in from the access gate an hour after last light most nites. talked with both weyco and wdfw and nobody seems to give a rip about itThere are about 3 spots that they live in all the time, other then that its just *censored*house luck to find them.. I certainly wouldn't buy the pass to go up there hunting them.This is my last year buying a key.. Worst deer hunting and poaching that I have ever seen up there.
There is a nice herd with a monster bull above the blast pit at the upper end of the lake. Unfortunately it is off limits to permit holders and they know that they are safe there. :chuckle:
Post by: PolarBear on November 27, 2017, 06:05:35 PM
Post by: hunter399 on November 27, 2017, 06:10:10 PM
Post by: Miles on November 27, 2017, 06:17:09 PM
I live in eastern Washington. Then durring deer season,i always look at what time I can start hunting in reg book.And will be at bottom of mountain so I can road hunt on my way to my spot,any I almost run into a truck around a blind corner. So there was a light dusting of snow and I could see everywhere they drove and could tell they where up there hours before me hunting and I was there at first light.
It’s not uncommon for hunters to ride the roads before shooting time when there’s snow on the ground. Many hunters do this where I’m from and they are looking for fresh tracks. If they find a good track, they park on it and start tracking at daylight.
I’ve also been headed up the mountain at 3:00 am while elk hunting several times. I usually parked, then hiked in a couple miles in the dark and listened for bugles. You hear a lot before the sun comes up. ;)
Post by: hunter399 on November 27, 2017, 06:50:30 PM
Ya but do you drive down the mountain on your way home at Sun up from a long nite of hunting ,from what I seen ,they may even had deer in the back but could not be sure,cause of how fast they where going.I live in eastern Washington. Then durring deer season,i always look at what time I can start hunting in reg book.And will be at bottom of mountain so I can road hunt on my way to my spot,any I almost run into a truck around a blind corner. So there was a light dusting of snow and I could see everywhere they drove and could tell they where up there hours before me hunting and I was there at first light.
It’s not uncommon for hunters to ride the roads before shooting time when there’s snow on the ground. Many hunters do this where I’m from and they are looking for fresh tracks. If they find a good track, they park on it and start tracking at daylight.
I’ve also been headed up the mountain at 3:00 am while elk hunting several times. I usually parked, then hiked in a couple miles in the dark and listened for bugles. You hear a lot before the sun comes up. ;)
I'm not sure of the legality of driving around in the dark, looking for tracks,and parking on them,but I do it at first hunting light,and have done it at first light many times , not sure you would have to do it hours before light to be successful at it.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on November 27, 2017, 08:11:54 PM
Ya but do you drive down the mountain on your way home at Sun up from a long nite of hunting ,from what I seen ,they may even had deer in the back but could not be sure,cause of how fast they where going.I live in eastern Washington. Then durring deer season,i always look at what time I can start hunting in reg book.And will be at bottom of mountain so I can road hunt on my way to my spot,any I almost run into a truck around a blind corner. So there was a light dusting of snow and I could see everywhere they drove and could tell they where up there hours before me hunting and I was there at first light.
It’s not uncommon for hunters to ride the roads before shooting time when there’s snow on the ground. Many hunters do this where I’m from and they are looking for fresh tracks. If they find a good track, they park on it and start tracking at daylight.
I’ve also been headed up the mountain at 3:00 am while elk hunting several times. I usually parked, then hiked in a couple miles in the dark and listened for bugles. You hear a lot before the sun comes up. ;)
I'm not sure of the legality of driving around in the dark, looking for tracks,and parking on them,but I do it at first hunting light,and have done it at first light many times , not sure you would have to do it hours before light to be successful at it.
Show me in the reg’s where it says it’s illegal to drive on public land at 3:00pm or 3:00am? Weyco land I beleive your not suppose to.
Post by: 12Gauge on November 27, 2017, 08:52:49 PM
Post by: hunter399 on November 27, 2017, 09:03:08 PM
We all know it does not say driving on public land at 300am in mourning is not illegal.Ya but do you drive down the mountain on your way home at Sun up from a long nite of hunting ,from what I seen ,they may even had deer in the back but could not be sure,cause of how fast they where going.I live in eastern Washington. Then durring deer season,i always look at what time I can start hunting in reg book.And will be at bottom of mountain so I can road hunt on my way to my spot,any I almost run into a truck around a blind corner. So there was a light dusting of snow and I could see everywhere they drove and could tell they where up there hours before me hunting and I was there at first light.
It’s not uncommon for hunters to ride the roads before shooting time when there’s snow on the ground. Many hunters do this where I’m from and they are looking for fresh tracks. If they find a good track, they park on it and start tracking at daylight.
I’ve also been headed up the mountain at 3:00 am while elk hunting several times. I usually parked, then hiked in a couple miles in the dark and listened for bugles. You hear a lot before the sun comes up. ;)
I'm not sure of the legality of driving around in the dark, looking for tracks,and parking on them,but I do it at first hunting light,and have done it at first light many times , not sure you would have to do it hours before light to be successful at it.
Show me in the reg’s where it says it’s illegal to drive on public land at 3:00pm or 3:00am? Weyco land I beleive your not suppose to.
And yes you can walk in before light,i don't do it more than an hour before light but that's the way I do it cause I dont like to scare off game before it even gets light .I was just shareing a few events I witnessed this year make your own opinion of what hunters are doing in the dark,and leaving at day break.To stay respectful of the forum I will keep any more comments to myself in this topic ,
Post by: PolarBear on November 27, 2017, 09:20:34 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on November 27, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
We all know it does not say driving on public land at 300am in mourning is not illegal.Ya but do you drive down the mountain on your way home at Sun up from a long nite of hunting ,from what I seen ,they may even had deer in the back but could not be sure,cause of how fast they where going.I live in eastern Washington. Then durring deer season,i always look at what time I can start hunting in reg book.And will be at bottom of mountain so I can road hunt on my way to my spot,any I almost run into a truck around a blind corner. So there was a light dusting of snow and I could see everywhere they drove and could tell they where up there hours before me hunting and I was there at first light.
It’s not uncommon for hunters to ride the roads before shooting time when there’s snow on the ground. Many hunters do this where I’m from and they are looking for fresh tracks. If they find a good track, they park on it and start tracking at daylight.
I’ve also been headed up the mountain at 3:00 am while elk hunting several times. I usually parked, then hiked in a couple miles in the dark and listened for bugles. You hear a lot before the sun comes up. ;)
I'm not sure of the legality of driving around in the dark, looking for tracks,and parking on them,but I do it at first hunting light,and have done it at first light many times , not sure you would have to do it hours before light to be successful at it.
Show me in the reg’s where it says it’s illegal to drive on public land at 3:00pm or 3:00am? Weyco land I beleive your not suppose to.
And yes you can walk in before light,i don't do it more than an hour before light but that's the way I do it cause I dont like to scare off game before it even gets light .I was just shareing a few events I witnessed this year make your own opinion of what hunters are doing in the dark,and leaving at day break.To stay respectful of the forum I will keep any more comments to myself in this topic ,
Your thoughts or comments are welcome. Makes people think outside the box. What season was in effect. Cause you can hunt bobcats and raccons at night as long as their is no modern rifle deer or elk season in effect.
Post by: brew on November 28, 2017, 06:18:47 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 28, 2017, 06:33:09 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 28, 2017, 06:44:59 PM
Post by: Antlershed on November 28, 2017, 06:58:38 PM
Can’t you camp in vail?Yes you can, but even if you are camped, the rules state no driving around from 1.5 hour after sunset to 1.5 hours before sunrise.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 28, 2017, 07:28:24 PM
Post by: brew on November 30, 2017, 05:20:52 PM
You need to call it in then and have the WDFW wait for them at the gate. They can take a body temp on the deer and know when it was shot.you obviously didn't read my post...i have called WDFW and they really don't give a rip about what is going on up there...as far as taking a body temp to me that is absoluty useless. Let me create a scenerio for you...i'm hunting vail and legally shoot an elk right at last light...for whatever reason the shot is not lethal (too far away, wrong angle, buck fever-Whatever). i look for the bull with a flashlight for a while but it's evident i won't find it and head home to be out of the permit area within the 1 1/2 hour after legal light designation. abiding by the permit rules i head out of the area and go back in the next morning to try and find the bull...i find it dead the next morning 300 yards from where i shot it the previous night. its all stiffened (rigormortised) up and tag it and haul it out. Mr. Green Jeans stops me coming out and puts a thermometer in the bull...WDFW officer Haw looks at the thermometer and tells me the bull died 8 hours ago. Does this mean i poached/killed him at midnight or i made a bad shot on him and he finally died at midnight ? the thermometer trick would hold no weight in court IMHO beacuse it would show when the animal died (maybe) not when i made a legal shot on it..Like any other scientific information questions would arise---what type of thermometer was used ? how was it calibrated ? what temperature/humidity/altitude/moon phase was it calibrated at ? what was the temperature/humidity/altitude/moon phase was it when i legally shot the bull ? Hell that bull i shot was a wapiti "superman" and survived for hours after i lethally shot it
Post by: Mudman on November 30, 2017, 05:49:25 PM