Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2017, 01:19:31 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 03, 2017, 01:55:30 PM
You really do have a gift.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on December 03, 2017, 02:10:48 PM
Just needs a touch of red behind the shoulder for contrast. :tup:
Post by: Trapper John on December 03, 2017, 04:55:24 PM
If you are selling your pictures you should Advertise in THE FUR SHED, I know guys would like to purchase some of your work
JC :hello:
Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2017, 04:57:06 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 03, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2017, 05:03:14 PM
I was having a theoretical discussion in my head....do I hate mice or coyotes worse.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 03, 2017, 05:07:42 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 03, 2017, 07:15:54 PM
Hate to tell you this but from a fur producers viewpoint that is one ugly coyote. Find us a nice heavy pale and to get trappers excited.
Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2017, 07:39:46 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
lol I hear that!! I have an issue with rats. My neighbors decided they need chickens this year now I have rats around. Really puts a burr in my britches!! Sorry to take this thread in a different direction for your great photography.
Not at all. Talk like this is more what I’d like to see around my virtual campfire.
Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2017, 08:21:57 PM
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Post by: pashok23 on December 03, 2017, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 03, 2017, 08:27:58 PM
Personally i like the first coyote better then second one.
Second one is worth more money
Post by: Timberstalker on December 03, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 03, 2017, 08:54:31 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 04, 2017, 01:37:39 AM
Need to send you to Alberta, those yotes would get everybody salivating.
I caught two years ago before I packed a camera that would knock your socks off but those kind are as rare in WA as bigfoot.
Post by: boneaddict on December 04, 2017, 05:04:14 AM
Speaking of color, what about the ones that are black? I know they are worth more to hunters, but how about to fur traders?
Post by: Humptulips on December 04, 2017, 09:14:31 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 04, 2017, 09:27:25 PM
Like I said I caught a couple that I think would compare and the fur was like 5 inches thick. Hard to appreciate until you run your hand through it.
Light almost shiny are the best,
Darker they get the worse grade you will have but it is not just the back. Top lot stuff needs a full and very white belly,
Yellowish is considerably less valuable and reds are the pits.
A solid black would be valuable for taxidermy but the fur market would turn their nose up because there are not enough of them to add up to anything.
You asked about primeness. I'm going to say Nov 1st to ? W WA they go out earlier because of the rain. Drier it is the longer they last but even in the best areas they are going out by February. Here in the rain forest I always figured they would be at an end by Christmas. Outliers exist though. I have caught an occasional good one in March but that is probably 1 in a 100.
It is possible to get a very good coyote from almost everywhere but mostly they are oddities in WA. The best come from the coldest snowiest plains type areas. That is why I mentioned Alberta. I'm sure there are some pretty good ones running around in NE WA though.
Post by: boneaddict on December 04, 2017, 09:34:34 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 04, 2017, 10:30:08 PM
Wa. could never see long term Canadian temps.
Post by: Humptulips on December 04, 2017, 11:41:16 PM
That being said I don't think the color is determined by the cold. It is a hereditary adaptation to their environment. Certain areas produce those top lot coyotes where that gene is more prevalent.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 05, 2017, 05:15:59 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 05, 2017, 05:54:06 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 05, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 05, 2017, 10:02:28 PM
I'll ignore the one laying under the others tails.
Always a pleasure to see well handled furs.
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 06, 2017, 09:28:23 AM
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on December 06, 2017, 11:36:00 AM
So less red the better, size does matter, I don’t care what they say... time of year of course? When does prime usually start?
Speaking of color, what about the ones that are black? I know they are worth more to hunters, but how about to fur traders?
boneaddict, I did pretty good back in the 70's trapping coyotes in the Potholes Area in Grant County a week before Hunting Season opened. I had to get in and out before the place was swarming with Black Labs, (back when foothold traps were the order of the day).
The nape was of course shorter, but it didn't matter to Fur Buyers at the time, (seemed to like a full coat on an early caught coyote compared to patches of fur missing on one caught late in the season). This was back when long haired fur was in style and I was getting $125. for my large Western Washington coyotes with white bellies. The dark colored ones were worth less than the heavy coated ones from the Dakotas (some about the size of wolves) but what they wanted then were the ones with White bellies to use for trim on coats. Whatever is popular at the time brings the most money. Doug
Post by: WA hunter14 on December 06, 2017, 12:06:32 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 06, 2017, 12:43:22 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 06, 2017, 02:47:58 PM
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on December 07, 2017, 10:18:26 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 07, 2017, 10:23:51 AM
Post by: Okanagan on December 07, 2017, 11:31:24 AM
The light colored ones have fine hair and the really good ones have so many hairs per square inch that it will not lay down but stays fluffed out, standing up. Just reread the thread and I think what I'm describing is what Humptulips called loft, and that is a good term for silky fine fur so deep and thick that it stands up away from the skin.
The best one I ever handled was shot by a friend, his turn to shoot. From cold country far from a coast it was a creamy off-white all over. Down the back it looked like someone had sprinkled a trace of fine black pepper, the last 1/32 of a few guard hairs tipped in black, otherwise all white. The underfur was slightly pink when you ran a hand over the fur. It was so fine and so thick that all of the silky hair stood up and could not lay down.