Post by: Naches Sportsman on December 09, 2017, 03:39:44 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 09, 2017, 03:41:59 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on December 09, 2017, 03:43:57 PM
I've not heard of this one. Is there a link to the story? Details to share?
There was a goat poached in GMU 360 by someone who had a goat tag for another unit.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 09, 2017, 03:46:59 PM
I've not heard of this one. Is there a link to the story? Details to share?
There was a goat poached in GMU 360 by someone who had a goat tag for another unit.
That’s crazy, get an oil and poach it. :o :bash:
Post by: Timberstalker on December 09, 2017, 03:53:05 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 09, 2017, 03:59:38 PM
Seemed better than just saying "tag" to follow!! :chuckle:
Post by: X-Force on December 09, 2017, 04:21:30 PM
Maybe the hunter called WDFW and got permission....
Seemed better than just saying "tag" to follow!! :chuckle:
I just spit water out of my nose! :chuckle:
Post by: teanawayslayer on December 09, 2017, 04:55:20 PM
Maybe the hunter called WDFW and got permission....thats some funny chit!
Seemed better than just saying "tag" to follow!! :chuckle:
I just spit water out of my nose! :chuckle:
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 09, 2017, 05:02:22 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 09, 2017, 05:02:59 PM
Maybe the hunter called WDFW and got permission....
Seemed better than just saying "tag" to follow!! :chuckle:
Get a good lawyer he might get the state to pay for a full body mount for as well. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on December 09, 2017, 05:44:39 PM
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Post by: hollymaster on December 09, 2017, 05:55:29 PM
Wasn’t me!!Sure you weren’t following Rainer? :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: Gringo31 on December 09, 2017, 07:19:18 PM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on December 10, 2017, 08:27:11 AM
Post by: MuleDeerCrazy on December 10, 2017, 10:21:42 AM
Post by: Muleyslyr on December 10, 2017, 10:28:55 AM
We're all human. It was an honest mistake, but ya, he clearly should have paid a little more attention to the unit boundaries. He's a super guy and wouldn't even think of pushing the envelope on anything like that. He called it in, lost his goat and is waiting for the court stuff. Tough lump to take, but that's life sometimes.
Sounds like a standup guy if he called it in himself. Good to hear. That sucks and I'm sure he'll be kicking himself for that for a long time.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 10, 2017, 10:55:37 AM
We're all human. It was an honest mistake, but ya, he clearly should have paid a little more attention to the unit boundaries. He's a super guy and wouldn't even think of pushing the envelope on anything like that. He called it in, lost his goat and is waiting for the court stuff. Tough lump to take, but that's life sometimes.
Sounds like a standup guy if he called it in himself. Good to hear. That sucks and I'm sure he'll be kicking himself for that for a long time.
:yeah: Lots of integrity being shown by him, best of luck that the courts will see that as well.
Post by: GUscottie on December 10, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
We're all human. It was an honest mistake, but ya, he clearly should have paid a little more attention to the unit boundaries. He's a super guy and wouldn't even think of pushing the envelope on anything like that. He called it in, lost his goat and is waiting for the court stuff. Tough lump to take, but that's life sometimes.
Sounds like a standup guy if he called it in himself. Good to hear. That sucks and I'm sure he'll be kicking himself for that for a long time.
Well...if there is any precedent set by the guys who poached all of those elk, deer, cougar, bear and bobcats in SW Wa, this guy will get a $5 fine, 2 hours community service and a high five as he leaves the courtroom...
:yeah: Lots of integrity being shown by him, best of luck that the courts will see that as well.
Post by: jackelope on December 10, 2017, 02:23:10 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 10, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
I'll admit that on multiple occasions I've been uncertain what GMU I was actually in.
Post by: mfswallace on December 10, 2017, 03:49:33 PM
Nice guys finish last :yike:
Post by: trophyhunt on December 10, 2017, 04:08:22 PM
Depending on his court outcome this sucks for an honest guy when you put his actions next to the POACHING reichert pos. In that comparison makes a guy think maybe with this OIL, he should of just taken it home and rolled the dice. :stirthepot::yeah:
Nice guys finish last :yike:
Post by: jackelope on December 10, 2017, 06:49:18 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on December 10, 2017, 07:11:20 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on December 10, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
Bummer deal all around though.
Post by: MuleDeerCrazy on December 11, 2017, 07:01:51 AM
Post by: hhack on December 11, 2017, 09:13:55 AM
Post by: X-Force on December 11, 2017, 09:20:16 AM
I can't think of anything less intelligent than self reporting a poached mountain goat.
Not self reporting.
Post by: High Climber on December 11, 2017, 09:29:15 AM
:yeah: sounds like an honest man made an honest mistake. I hope the courts keep that in mind when deciding his punishment.I can't think of anything less intelligent than self reporting a poached mountain goat.
Not self reporting.
Post by: jackelope on December 11, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
:yeah:I can't think of anything less intelligent than self reporting a poached mountain goat.
Not self reporting.
What would be better? Hiding it??
I appreciate the man's honesty. The fact that he didn't know where he was from a unit boundary standpoint is hard for me to swallow, but I appreciate his honesty.
@hhack please explain a better alternative.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 11, 2017, 09:51:43 AM
:yeah:I can't think of anything less intelligent than self reporting a poached mountain goat.
Not self reporting.
What would be better? Hiding it??
I appreciate the man's honesty. The fact that he didn't know where he was from a unit boundary standpoint is hard for me to swallow, but I appreciate his honesty.
@hhack please explain a better alternative.
Probably go with hiding it as the answer, based on prior posts, for instance #3:
Post by: hhack on December 11, 2017, 10:17:28 AM
Post by: REHJWA on December 11, 2017, 10:50:32 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 11, 2017, 11:01:40 AM
I would be the guy that self reported because of the cloud that would forever be on me if I didn't. But...time and again it's been the guys doing what is right that get hammered the hardest.
I'd take that chance too.
I am thoroughly against poaching unless predators go ahead kill a bunch of them way too many wolves bears cougars coyotes in this state. I am very against poaching but if someone does make a mistake why on earth would you tell the wdfw. Wdfw doesn't care if you accidentally shoot a spike instead of a true spike and self report. If they care about that and hand out the harshest punishment why would you expect differently with a goat. They are anti hunting and looking to stick it to hunters. I just don't understand why someone self report.
So poaching is not ok unless there's predator issues, then it's ok to poach because the wolves and cats are already killing a bunch of deer and elk?
Post by: hhack on December 11, 2017, 11:11:33 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 11, 2017, 11:16:55 AM
jackalope I understand that you love wolves and cougars. I don't. People can poach away if that's what you want to call it I would never rat on someone for shooting a wolf or cat.
That's cute. I don't like excessive/unmanaged/unregulated predators...but that's not what this thread is about. You're criticizing a guy for doing the right thing. For being honest. Clearly you don't know anything about conservation, especially ongoing mountain goat conservation efforts in this state.
Post by: Gringo31 on December 11, 2017, 11:51:28 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 11, 2017, 11:53:28 AM
Post by: 2MANY on December 11, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 11, 2017, 11:57:57 AM
Perhaps he is only identifying as a predator hugger today and tomorrow will be different. :hello:
You never know with me.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 11, 2017, 11:58:56 AM
Post by: jdb on December 11, 2017, 06:37:32 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 11, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Actually I halfway agree with hhack, I’d never give myself up to Wdfw if I made that kind of mistake, and I’d buy anyone a beer for killing wolves! But cats and bears deserve a bit of respect, screw the wolves.
Post by: DaveMonti on December 11, 2017, 10:23:36 PM
Post by: Stein on December 11, 2017, 10:29:26 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 12, 2017, 06:28:13 AM
Maybe the hunter self reported because he suspected his hunting partner was eyeing 10 points. Better to self report than have someone report you.It's just not that easy, I've reported 2 slam dunk poaching cases in the past 5 or 6 years, both times they were caught with enough evidence to convict. The problem was the poachers just kept their mouth shut and not even a ticket was given. One was a trophy class bull shot with a .22 during archery season, one was at night. There are laws to protect you from false accusations, but they also work in the wrong way as well. I'm not saying people should do illegal things and keep quite, I'm just saying if he would have kept his mouth shut and said nothing at all, his mistake might have just gone away. It could have just stayed between him and his conscience, but I don't know the whole story, maybe a warden was watching it happen.
Post by: Jpmiller on December 12, 2017, 09:43:18 PM
The guy has serious credibility and stones for making the call on himself, it is no mystery what was going to happen. He would absolutely lose the goat, never get a chance to shoot on in WA again as well as pay a hefty fee. That's for sure, he could also get into much more criminal penalties, lose his hunting privileges and end up with a 4-5 figure legal bill on top of it all.
I would bet you someone sees pictures of his goat and recognizes it. I'm always amazed at how people can recognize different animals from a glance. There's enough people out there looking at goats on top of the state bios that it would have come out eventually.
Even if he would never have gotten caught if it is true he self reported I have respect left for the man. Regardless what your justification internally is poaching is poaching and it's wrong. Turning yourself in takes some serious conviction to being a good man even if he did do something wrong to get there. Once the mistake is made it's the moving forward that is important. He is redeemed quite a bit in my book.
Post by: Humptulips on December 12, 2017, 10:30:41 PM
Am I the only one that finds it amusing that a guy with 7 hole posts knows Jackalope so well?
What, is he putting in a fence? :dunno:
Post by: jdb on December 13, 2017, 04:22:05 AM
grammer naziAm I the only one that finds it amusing that a guy with 7 hole posts knows Jackalope so well?
What, is he putting in a fence? :dunno:
Post by: Timberstalker on December 13, 2017, 05:05:10 AM
Post by: fireweed on December 13, 2017, 07:08:03 AM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on December 13, 2017, 07:24:03 AM
for breaking the law. Good example why you need to know the
boundaries. And if you don't hire a darn outfitter or at least contact the one in the area and ask questions. Sorry for this guy
but a lesson for all hunters to map study before you go out there and hunt.
Post by: Curly on December 13, 2017, 07:32:11 AM
BTW - how far from the open unit was the guy? Did he just totally mess up the boundary or just read wrong what unit he was supposed to hunt? When did he realize his mistake? :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on December 13, 2017, 08:00:12 AM
It certainly is not a "poached goat." A poacher doesn't turn himself in. I also wonder about how far outside of the boundary he was. Is it only a matter of 1/4 mile? Or is it several miles? Either way you'd think the punishment won't be too extreme, seeing how a hard core, actual poacher just got fined $500 for all the animals he killed during the last few years, out of season, and illegally using hounds. But, I guess that all depends on the county prosecutor and the judge.
Post by: h20hunter on December 13, 2017, 08:05:44 AM
Post by: Ridgerunner on December 13, 2017, 08:11:59 AM
I'm sure I'll get flamed for my opinion but it is what it is. Bottom line is the guy is 100% responsible for his actions and not being aware of the proper boundaries but a poacher?
Post by: Timberstalker on December 13, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
First off what a hard lesson for the guy to learn, if I found myself in the same situation I'd do the same thing, that being said it is an unfortunate situation but one that in my mind doesn't fall into the classic poaching case. When I think of poaching I think of stealing opportunity from another individual, taking too many critters etc. Based on the very limited info I know about this case from the posts here, it sounds like he shot a goat that was just outside of the boundary(which he should have known). But perhaps the WDFW needs to rethink the boundary for this unit. I highly doubt they are trying to grow a population of goats in the Bethal unit(no good habitat). Odds are this goat spent at least some(if not most) of his time in the open hunting unit and was considered part of the "herd" that the tag was open for. I know the line has to be drawn somewhere and I would never condemn his actions as right(except turning himself in) but this is a far different case to me than the poaching rings that shoot dozens of deer a year, or the guys who buy their wives tags and shoot those deer for them, shoot big bucks off the winter range, etc.
I'm sure I'll get flamed for my opinion but it is what it is. Bottom line is the guy is 100% responsible for his actions and not being aware of the proper boundaries but a poacher?
Couldn't agree more.
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 08:22:45 AM
First off what a hard lesson for the guy to learn, if I found myself in the same situation I'd do the same thing, that being said it is an unfortunate situation but one that in my mind doesn't fall into the classic poaching case. When I think of poaching I think of stealing opportunity from another individual, taking too many critters etc. Based on the very limited info I know about this case from the posts here, it sounds like he shot a goat that was just outside of the boundary(which he should have known). But perhaps the WDFW needs to rethink the boundary for this unit. I highly doubt they are trying to grow a population of goats in the Bethal unit(no good habitat). Odds are this goat spent at least some(if not most) of his time in the open hunting unit and was considered part of the "herd" that the tag was open for. I know the line has to be drawn somewhere and I would never condemn his actions as right(except turning himself in) but this is a far different case to me than the poaching rings that shoot dozens of deer a year, or the guys who buy their wives tags and shoot those deer for them, shoot big bucks off the winter range, etc.
I'm sure I'll get flamed for my opinion but it is what it is. Bottom line is the guy is 100% responsible for his actions and not being aware of the proper boundaries but a poacher?
No flaming here. I also couldn't agree more. I'd have a much different view of this if the guy didn't turn himself in.
As close as they're watching goat populations right now, I feel like they'll want to or need to know about it.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on December 13, 2017, 08:23:16 AM
This was no honest mistake if he had reading comprehension. He needs to be fined a good amount to show the public to read the damn regs before you kill an animal. The 1500 road is a well defined boundary and you have to be dumb to shoot an animal in another unit. He must of got goat happy, but that's no excuse.
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 08:27:00 AM
He illegally took a goat on USFS land that in a unit he didn't have a tag for= poaching.
This was no honest mistake if he had reading comprehension. He needs to be fined a good amount to show the public to read the damn regs before you kill an animal. The 1500 road is a well defined boundary and you have to be dumb to shoot an animal in another unit. He must of got goat happy, but that's no excuse.
After the giant poaching ring guy got fined $500 and some community service, I'm hoping he gets about equal to that and doesn't lose his rifle. He shouldn't keep his goat either. Not saying what he did was right or wrong. By definition what he did was poaching, but there's a huge difference between this goat guy and those dirt bags.
:twocents:
Post by: JDHasty on December 13, 2017, 08:31:11 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 13, 2017, 08:41:06 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 13, 2017, 08:53:36 AM
Post by: Curly on December 13, 2017, 08:54:22 AM
If it was in fact intentional, and the guy knew he was not in the open unit, then I take back what I said, and I would consider that poaching. Did he only turn himself in because there was a witness that he thought might turn him in? Who knows. Don't really have any facts here, just speculation.:yeah:
I will take it back too and call him a poacher if what he did wasn't an honest mistake. I guess I'm jumping to the conclusion of an honest mistake since he was honest enough self report.
Simply screwing up and thinking you are in one unit when you are in a different unit is bad, but just a mistake.....not poaching in my mind. But everyone has a different opinion on the definition of poacher and that's fine....
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 09:15:30 AM
It doesn't seem to me that anyone commenting here is familiar enough with the facts surrounding this case to be forming ANY opinion on what the outcome should be.
Some folks know more than you think they know.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 13, 2017, 09:28:45 AM
Post by: JDHasty on December 13, 2017, 09:29:49 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 09:37:04 AM
Some folks don't know as much as they think they know also.
Agree.
Post by: bobcat on December 13, 2017, 09:40:43 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 13, 2017, 09:46:31 AM
Well then, let's hear the facts from those who seem to know who does know stuff and who doesn't know stuff.And go down the same road as the Reichert threads? Let's not. Please.
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 09:51:55 AM
Well then, let's hear the facts from those who seem to know who does know stuff and who doesn't know stuff.And go down the same road as the Reichert threads? Let's not. Please.
Blasphemy!!
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on December 13, 2017, 09:55:14 AM
Post by: Special T on December 13, 2017, 10:05:03 AM
I had to turn my wife in for killing a mule deer buck her first year hunting (and 5 months married to me!) during a whitetail only season. Reason being, to not do so was potentially a career-ending decision (for me). She thankfully understood this (21+ years married and counting!). I don't consider her a poacher :)Awkward!
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Post by: Bob33 on December 13, 2017, 10:12:18 AM
I had to turn my wife in for killing a mule deer buck her first year hunting (and 5 months married to me!) during a whitetail only season. Reason being, to not do so was potentially a career-ending decision (for me). She thankfully understood this (21+ years married and counting!). I don't consider her a poacher :)I hope you at least split the 10 points with her. :)
Post by: Dan-o on December 13, 2017, 10:40:28 AM
There's nothing like the smell of a senseless attak in the morning. 8)
Post by: KFhunter on December 13, 2017, 11:15:02 AM
Some folks don't know as much as they think they know also.
Agree.
Man I love irony.
and for the record I don't know squat
Post by: 2MANY on December 13, 2017, 11:25:41 AM
Post by: Skillet on December 13, 2017, 11:30:41 AM
Post by: Dan-o on December 13, 2017, 12:01:14 PM
I just found it so funny that the guy was dismissing jackelope as "a wolf lover".
Few do as much for this site as Jackelope.
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 12:11:55 PM
Sorry if I contributed to the dumpster fire.
I just found it so funny that the guy was dismissing jackelope as "a wolf lover".
Few do as much for this site as Jackelope.
Thanks dude. I pretty much don't acknowledge stuff like that.
Post by: Skillet on December 13, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 13, 2017, 12:20:49 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 13, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 12:28:06 PM
Only referring to the inevitable personal attacks (like the one you pointed out Dan-o), innuendo, threatened legal action, etc.
Yeah we're going to go ahead and keep that sort of stuff to a minimum.
Post by: KFhunter on December 13, 2017, 12:29:10 PM
I heard he's a bunny hugger.
:ban:
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 12:33:26 PM
I heard he's a bunny hugger.
:ban:
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Post by: bobcat on December 13, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
Post by: emac on December 13, 2017, 02:01:18 PM
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Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 02:09:05 PM
That looks like a bunny choker not a bunny hugger
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Call it what you want. Plenty of bunny hugging going on.
:yike:
Post by: SuperX on December 13, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on December 13, 2017, 02:34:53 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on December 13, 2017, 04:16:30 PM
Is there some info out there on this case or so far is it just what's been hinted at here.
Hunt WA is always my first choice for up to date, factual, unbiased news on all things related to hunting. And a lot of other stuff.
Post by: X-Force on December 13, 2017, 04:19:24 PM
Is there some info out there on this case or so far is it just what's been hinted at here.
Hunt WA is always my first choice for up to date, factual, unbiased news on all things related to hunting. And a lot of other stuff.
Im with you absolutely. 100%
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 04:38:40 PM
Hey. They called me a bunny hugger. I provided a photo of a bunny. He was too small to hug at the time, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been hugged since. You've benefited from the bunnies I think. This is all factual information.Is there some info out there on this case or so far is it just what's been hinted at here.
Hunt WA is always my first choice for up to date, factual, unbiased news on all things related to hunting. And a lot of other stuff.
:dunno:
Post by: DaveMonti on December 13, 2017, 04:53:54 PM
Hey. They called me a bunny hugger. I provided a photo of a bunny. He was too small to hug at the time, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been hugged since. You've benefited from the bunnies I think. This is all factual information.Is there some info out there on this case or so far is it just what's been hinted at here.
Hunt WA is always my first choice for up to date, factual, unbiased news on all things related to hunting. And a lot of other stuff.
:dunno:
I have no doubt that the bunny hugging and holding is 100% factual. I, in fact, did benefit from said bunny's poo. It helped me grow very good delicata squash in my garden, which I continue to eat throughout the winter.
Post by: Woodchuck on December 13, 2017, 04:54:51 PM
I have it on solid 9th hand info that the bunny was not poached.Hey. They called me a bunny hugger. I provided a photo of a bunny. He was too small to hug at the time, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been hugged since. You've benefited from the bunnies I think. This is all factual information.Is there some info out there on this case or so far is it just what's been hinted at here.
Hunt WA is always my first choice for up to date, factual, unbiased news on all things related to hunting. And a lot of other stuff.
:dunno:
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 04:57:31 PM
Fact.
Post by: Woodchuck on December 13, 2017, 05:08:45 PM
People have benefited statewide from my bunny hugging.:hello:
Fact.
Post by: idaho guy on December 13, 2017, 07:14:07 PM
Is there some info out there on this case or so far is it just what's been hinted at here.
Hunt WA is always my first choice for up to date, factual, unbiased news on all things related to hunting. And a lot of other stuff.
Im with you absolutely. 100%
x2 I agree with you completely HW is my go to for all my news
Post by: Dan-o on December 13, 2017, 07:41:17 PM
I have it on solid 9th hand info that the bunny was not poached.Hey. They called me a bunny hugger. I provided a photo of a bunny. He was too small to hug at the time, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been hugged since. You've benefited from the bunnies I think. This is all factual information.Is there some info out there on this case or so far is it just what's been hinted at here.
Hunt WA is always my first choice for up to date, factual, unbiased news on all things related to hunting. And a lot of other stuff.
:dunno:
This is how rumors get started........ 9th hand info is not worth bunny poo.
Besides, I heard from a guy who knows someone that it was braised in a demi-glaze..........
Post by: jackelope on December 13, 2017, 08:39:50 PM
(One of these days she won’t be looking and well Demi glaze the crud out of one. Can’t wait)
Post by: Widgeondeke on December 13, 2017, 09:05:42 PM
Start with bunny "chicken" fingers or burger :tup:
Rabbit tacos are to die for
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 13, 2017, 09:06:13 PM
People have benefited statewide from my bunny hugging.
Fact.
I can 100% guarantee this to be true, You see I know a guy that may or may not know another guy who possibly has some inside info, (that he does not know he has) said info, who told me thru paypal that it is true. ;)
My question is, How hard do you have to hug a bunny to produce the amount of poop that it took to supply DaveMonti to fuel his garden with? and @DaveMonti so realistically you are eating bunny poop. :chuckle:
Post by: DaveMonti on December 13, 2017, 09:35:02 PM
People have benefited statewide from my bunny hugging.
Fact.
I can 100% guarantee this to be true, You see I know a guy that may or may not know another guy who possibly has some inside info, (that he does not know he has) said info, who told me thru paypal that it is true. ;)
My question is, How hard do you have to hug a bunny to produce the amount of poop that it took to supply DaveMonti to fuel his garden with? and @DaveMonti so realistically you are eating bunny poop. :chuckle:
Well, they are awful cute bunnies....kinda like eating Milk Duds
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 13, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 14, 2017, 06:32:38 AM
No rabbits from rabbit manor here have ever been Demi glazed! Sweet baby Jesus. My kid would have an absolute meltdown fit!!we'll
(One of these days she won’t be looking and well Demi glaze the crud out of one. Can’t wait)
Post by: jackelope on December 14, 2017, 07:30:39 AM
People have benefited statewide from my bunny hugging.
Fact.
I can 100% guarantee this to be true, You see I know a guy that may or may not know another guy who possibly has some inside info, (that he does not know he has) said info, who told me thru paypal that it is true. ;)
My question is, How hard do you have to hug a bunny to produce the amount of poop that it took to supply DaveMonti to fuel his garden with? and @DaveMonti so realistically you are eating bunny poop. :chuckle:
They do 2 things very well, Chris. Poop and make babies...no hugging needed.
Post by: Miles on December 14, 2017, 07:33:16 AM
People have benefited statewide from my bunny hugging.
Fact.
I can 100% guarantee this to be true, You see I know a guy that may or may not know another guy who possibly has some inside info, (that he does not know he has) said info, who told me thru paypal that it is true. ;)
My question is, How hard do you have to hug a bunny to produce the amount of poop that it took to supply DaveMonti to fuel his garden with? and @DaveMonti so realistically you are eating bunny poop. :chuckle:
They do 2 things very well, Chris. Poop and make babies...no hugging needed.
Who is Chris? I mentioned someone’s real name here once... I remember getting an earful for it too.
Post by: jackelope on December 14, 2017, 07:44:32 AM
People use first names all the time here.
Post by: Miles on December 14, 2017, 07:59:39 AM
:rolleyes:
People use first names all the time here.
Ok, John Doe. ;)
Post by: Dan-o on December 14, 2017, 08:36:55 AM
:rolleyes:
People use first names all the time here.
Ok, John Doe. ;)
I try not to let anyone know my first name.
Dan-o out.
Post by: jackelope on December 14, 2017, 08:38:33 AM
:rolleyes:
People use first names all the time here.
Ok, John Doe. ;)
I try not to let anyone know my first name.
Dan-o out.
I know your first name, Dan-O, but out of respect, I will never reveal it, Dan-O. Just trying to reassure you.
-Josh Doe
Post by: boneaddict on December 14, 2017, 08:47:58 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on December 14, 2017, 08:50:31 AM
Quote
I wonder if Naches is wondering what the heck happened to his thread
There does seem to be the need to blow some steam on sillyness every once in awhile. It only takes a spark and WHAMO! Off she goes :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on December 14, 2017, 08:51:05 AM
Post by: Curly on December 14, 2017, 08:52:56 AM
Post by: DaveMonti on December 14, 2017, 09:10:53 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 14, 2017, 09:12:26 AM
All this poaching talk has me hungry for poached eggs on toast.......... :drool:And goat breakfast sausage?
Post by: jackelope on December 14, 2017, 09:15:34 AM
QuoteI wonder if Naches is wondering what the heck happened to his thread
There does seem to be the need to blow some steam on sillyness every once in awhile. It only takes a spark and WHAMO! Off she goes :chuckle:
I'm not sure there's much more to be said about the goat that hasn't already been said...
Post by: Woodchuck on December 14, 2017, 09:20:52 AM
Post by: Widgeondeke on December 14, 2017, 10:06:06 AM
He's dead.
obviously :hello:
Post by: bobcat on December 14, 2017, 10:13:29 AM
He's dead.
That's the rumor, but I've seen no proof.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 14, 2017, 10:56:27 AM
People have benefited statewide from my bunny hugging.
Fact.
I can 100% guarantee this to be true, You see I know a guy that may or may not know another guy who possibly has some inside info, (that he does not know he has) said info, who told me thru paypal that it is true. ;)
My question is, How hard do you have to hug a bunny to produce the amount of poop that it took to supply DaveMonti to fuel his garden with? and @DaveMonti so realistically you are eating bunny poop. :chuckle:
They do 2 things very well, Chris. Poop and make babies...no hugging needed.
Who is Chris? I mentioned someone’s real name here once... I remember getting an earful for it too.
Who’s on first. I’m Chris :chuckle:
Post by: Dan-o on December 14, 2017, 11:39:44 AM
Post by: Alchase on December 14, 2017, 11:50:04 AM
Man..... all this fuss over a bunny.
Said the man with "-" as his middle name :hello:
Post by: jmscon on December 14, 2017, 12:11:28 PM
Well that changes everything!
Post by: Dan-o on December 14, 2017, 12:20:43 PM
Wait, wait ,wait.... the goat is dead?!
Well that changes everything!
Leave goats out of this.
This is about a bunny with no first name.
Try to keep up.
Post by: Dan-o on December 14, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
Man..... all this fuss over a bunny.
Said the man with "-" as his middle name :hello:
Serious crypto skillz. You broke the code.
Post by: jmscon on December 14, 2017, 12:28:44 PM
Wait, wait ,wait.... the goat is dead?!
Well that changes everything!
Leave goats out of this.
This is about a bunny with no first name.
Try to keep up.
Oh, sorry.
Wait, wait, wait..... your first name is Dan?!
And your middle name is -?!
Wow, my world has just been rocked!
Post by: Curly on December 14, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
:o
:rolleyes:
:chuckle:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 15, 2017, 10:08:38 AM
It was in Wyoming, I did NOT ask for a reward :)I had to turn my wife in for killing a mule deer buck her first year hunting (and 5 months married to me!) during a whitetail only season. Reason being, to not do so was potentially a career-ending decision (for me). She thankfully understood this (21+ years married and counting!). I don't consider her a poacher :)I hope you at least split the 10 points with her. :)
Post by: Antlershed on December 15, 2017, 10:46:55 AM
Did the bunny poach the goat? What color was the goats mane? That should clear up which unit the goat was shot in.
Post by: Alchase on December 15, 2017, 11:09:24 AM
Wait, wait ,wait.... the goat is dead?!
Well that changes everything!
Leave goats out of this.
This is about a bunny with no first name.
Try to keep up.
Oh, sorry.
Wait, wait, wait..... your first name is Dan?!
And your middle name is -?!
Wow, my world has just been rocked!
Ya who knew :o
It's his last name still has me stumped, is it "O", an "o" or an "0" :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on December 15, 2017, 11:17:38 AM
Trying to gather the facts here...
Did the bunny poach the goat? What color was the goats mane? That should clear up which unit the goat was shot in.
Mic drop.........
the main(mane) was red. Or not. Clearly an El Whoppo St Helens bunny goat.
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2017, 11:40:02 AM
El Whappo st. Helens Bunny Goat
This phrase may have to grow into a legend.
Post by: jackelope on December 15, 2017, 11:44:33 AM
El Whoppo, the red maned wonder bull is going places.
Post by: DaveMonti on December 15, 2017, 11:44:55 AM
I heard from a guy who's sisters ex boyfriends nephews dental hygienists mothers stepson saw two guys that looked like jakelope and Rainier hunting goats. Both had bunnies IN THEIR POCKETS which had miniature GPS collars on when they were hunting. I suspect this is highly illegal. That makes hunters look bad.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 15, 2017, 11:45:50 AM
I literally laughed out loud when I read
El Whappo st. Helens Bunny Goat
This phrase may have to grow into a legend.
EL Whappo st. Helens Bunny Goat Biggie
It’s legendary now. ;) >:( >:(
Post by: jmscon on December 15, 2017, 12:14:27 PM
Wait, wait ,wait.... the goat is dead?!
Well that changes everything!
Leave goats out of this.
This is about a bunny with no first name.
Try to keep up.
Oh, sorry.
Wait, wait, wait..... your first name is Dan?!
And your middle name is -?!
Wow, my world has just been rocked!
Ya who knew :o
It's his last name still has me stumped, is it "O", an "o" or an "0" :dunno:
Looks like a lower case zero to me!
Just get weirder and weirder!!
Post by: Antlershed on December 15, 2017, 12:15:50 PM
My sister’s ex-husbands daughter’s cousin just sent me this photo of El-Whoppo St Helens Bunny Goat on the hoof.
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2017, 12:17:52 PM
You should make a calendar.
Post by: Alchase on December 15, 2017, 12:18:13 PM
He's got Booner ears!
Post by: Antlershed on December 15, 2017, 12:19:34 PM
That is awesome!!It’s all that volcanic ash he’s been eating. Super high in nutrients.
He's got Booner ears!
Post by: jackelope on December 15, 2017, 12:21:46 PM
That is awesome!!It’s all that volcanic ash he’s been eating. Super high in nutrients.
He's got Booner ears!
I'm dying a little.
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2017, 12:41:00 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 15, 2017, 12:42:47 PM
Look how red the main is.Long face = Mature El-Whoppo St Helens Bunny Goat.
I learned that from some goat guys. :tup:
Post by: jackelope on December 15, 2017, 02:08:03 PM
Look how red the main is.
He must be standing in the Toutle river.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 15, 2017, 03:20:32 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on December 15, 2017, 03:51:10 PM
More facts....
My sister’s ex-husbands daughter’s cousin just sent me this photo of El-Whoppo St Helens Bunny Goat on the hoof.
Without a pic of it's tail, I suspect this is photoshopped. I also expect any pic of El-Whoppo to be almost as blurry of a BF pic. I really question the authenticity.
Post by: Jim/WA on December 15, 2017, 04:15:48 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 15, 2017, 04:16:57 PM
*censored*! I just waded thru 6 pages of crap only to find out there is no recipe for Poached Goat here. WTH?
7 pages!
Post by: Antlershed on December 15, 2017, 04:37:25 PM
*censored*! I just waded thru 6 pages of crap only to find out there is no recipe for Poached Goat here. WTH?But you got to see an authentic, factual, picture of an El Whoppo St Helens Bunny Goat. Not all is lost.
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2017, 04:42:29 PM
Looks like he's got a serious case of hoof rot too...........they're gone
Great observation.
They are one tough critter. Name me another one that could stay standing with hoof rotted all the way up to the knees.
Nothing but respect for the EWSHBG.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 15, 2017, 06:11:46 PM
More facts....
My sister’s ex-husbands daughter’s cousin just sent me this photo of El-Whoppo St Helens Bunny Goat on the hoof.
He's dead.
Post by: Antlershed on December 15, 2017, 06:13:51 PM
That picture was obviously before he was poached.More facts....
My sister’s ex-husbands daughter’s cousin just sent me this photo of El-Whoppo St Helens Bunny Goat on the hoof.
He's dead.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 15, 2017, 06:17:13 PM
Post by: Antlershed on December 15, 2017, 06:20:05 PM
Not poached, all legal. I know the guy. He scouted that.... thing... all summer. I have pics, but can't share them. They're amazing.What I wouldn’t give to be inducted into the cool kid “I got pictures text to me, but I can’t share them, but I’m going to tell you all about how the hunter sent them to me” club. #superjealous
Post by: 7mmfan on December 15, 2017, 06:22:31 PM
Post by: X-Force on December 15, 2017, 06:25:33 PM
He had him at 894 yards, but with a quick reference on the Google machine, he was able to find a closed road that he was able to get his truck around the gate and get to 1021 yards for a personal best longest shot. The 6.5 Creedmore really did a number on its 3rd hit.
:bow:
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2017, 06:34:33 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on December 15, 2017, 06:46:45 PM
>:(
To much? Sorry, I was cooking dinner and having a good laugh
Post by: KFhunter on December 15, 2017, 06:53:29 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 15, 2017, 06:56:21 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on December 15, 2017, 06:58:18 PM
I've done it once...used a sous vide in the tub with a small goat and 5 gallons of olive oil. Tasty.
This is a family site! :yike:
Post by: Antlershed on December 15, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
Post by: Antlershed on December 15, 2017, 07:03:31 PM
>:(Let’s MOB
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2017, 07:09:31 PM
>:(
To much? Sorry, I was cooking dinner and having a good laugh
Your description of working to get a longer shot was awesome.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 15, 2017, 07:31:35 PM
>:(
To much? Sorry, I was cooking dinner and having a good laugh
Your description of working to get a longer shot was awesome.
:tup: I've been saving that one for the right opportunity.
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
People calling me a liar and worse, as well a Pinetar, M_Ray and others who had either first hand knowledge or were absolutely confident in the what, when and where info friends of their's had shared. What they (we) posted when we called those involved out after it was posted that the animal was shot outside GMU 334 north of the canal was 100% proven out to be unassailable fact. This was allowed to continue by the same mods who are herein making light of the predicament this individual is in.
OK now let me go ON RECORD and say - I said in personal conversations with them: Let me take the hits, there is nothing to be gained by you being "branded." And let me also go on record as saying that what I posted as fact, was in fact - FACTUAL. I repeatedly made it abundantly clear that when I posted opinion I made it clear that it is my opinion and can only be considered in that regard. Did I not?
My buddy's brother is a Wildlife Enforcement Officer w/wdfw and this guy just plain screwed up. This is accepted as what happened. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY within WDFW disputes that.
What is also accepted in this case is that the hunter is trying to do whatever he can... whatever that could be. He is not trying to make any excuses or get out of anything, he wants to do whatever he can to "help."
There is no call for this nonsense and it sickens me to see members and mods pile on and make make fun of a guy who has taken ownership of his actions and doesn't deserve to be lumped in with either Reichert or his three "helpers."
Hormel actually used the only defense that I thought tenable to get Reichert off. Let me point this out: up until the very end what Hormel contended was never advanced by any of the four players involved, or their apologists, here as reason that they were not guilty.
I shared with a few trusted fellow members the very scenario, the only scenario, that I thought had a chance of passing the straight face test. But I cautioned them against sharing my thoughts online. Once I was aware that Hormel had been retained I "knew" where he would focus his effort. But again I asked that that be kept in confidence.
As that case eventually played out - I was 100% correct. Reichert got off on a "technicality." Just as I had predicted it might. I recognized the weak point in the State case, but thought it a "long shot."
But I diverge - What, please tell us, given what has been posted, has this individual done that is the least bit deserving of having the predicament he is in treated as in any way comparable to the incident referenced and/or turned into something the least bit humorous?
If you remember back to that Reichert thread: Members were allowed to post info regarding my my employer, post slander regarding a me being a game law violator etc etc etc all the way along and now the very same individuals who allowed this to propagate are engaging in making sport of the predicament this individual is in.
Good Lord, the man admits that he screwed up, he wants to do anything he can do to help the situation, he is asking for no quarter and these guys think it is a laughing matter. Beside the fact that they are engaging in thread jacking and a half dozen other things that the forum rules proscribe.
What gives?
Post by: DaveMonti on December 15, 2017, 08:02:48 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2017, 08:10:06 PM
I just can see how anyone ever thought this was going to end well.
Dave,
The man reportedly admits he made a grave mistake, the very minute he recognized that he was wrong he self reported. Is there something you know that suggests that there was any effort to not own up to carelessness, or any effort to justify?
He screwed up and his first inclination was not to hunker down, justify, excuse, prevaricate on where the animal was taken... etc ad infinitum?
If we take him at his word, the man had no reason to think this might not end well. It appears he was either mistaken about where the tag was valid or where he was. Once he became aware that he had violated he "manned up."
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2017, 08:15:17 PM
MANY of us said it took a stand up guy to admit his foul up.
The thread went sideways when the "oh yeah, well if you don't agree with me then you are a wolf lover" defense was deployed. (and that was not pointed at the hunter that turned himself in)
From there, many of us had fun - but not at the expense of the guy was was man enough to turn himself in.
Post by: KFhunter on December 15, 2017, 08:21:18 PM
but I'm really curious about this tub, a small goat, olive oil and a sous vide cooker :stirthepot:
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2017, 08:32:57 PM
JD, nobody is piling on the hunter.
MANY of us said it took a stand up guy to admit his foul up.
The thread went sideways when the "oh yeah, well if you don't agree with me then you are a wolf lover" defense was deployed. (and that was not pointed at the hunter that turned himself in)
From there, many of us had fun - but not at the expense of the guy was was man enough to turn himself in.
Dan-O,
who is not so sure that this guy isn't a member we would all like to see not loose all his hunting privileges for years and IWVC covers this violation.
Maybe, if he is a member he would come here for a little solace.
I just do not see any entertainment value in continuing what has been going on. With what I know, I feel very sorry for the guy, he will not be able to hunt for years, that is a given.
I would like to see a little hand holding. I would like to see a little more sympathy. He KNOWS he is a "screw up." If what is in the public record is factual... it is not the end of the world. We will help you get through the suspension of hunting privilege and you are not "a screw up." You screwed up, and there are consequences to screwing up, but everything except you enjoying a great mount in your home will one day be behind you.
Let's just accept the consequence of not paying attention in this case and you are still welcome in our hunting camp.
Post by: KFhunter on December 15, 2017, 08:37:00 PM
I just can see how anyone ever thought this was going to end well.
Dave,
The man reportedly admits he made a grave mistake, the very minute he recognized that he was wrong he self reported. Is there something you know that suggests that there was any effort to not own up to carelessness, or any effort to justify?
He screwed up and his first inclination was not to hunker down, justify, excuse, prevaricate on where the animal was taken... etc ad infinitum?
If we take him at his word, the man had no reason to think this might not end well. It appears he was either mistaken about where the tag was valid or where he was. Once he became aware that he had violated he "manned up."
:beatdeadhorse:
This is just fake outrage, so you can feel all justified ranting about Reichert (again).
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2017, 08:37:16 PM
I don't know anything about the goat hunter, we were done talking about him like on page 1
but I'm really curious about this tub, a small goat, olive oil and a sous vide cooker :stirthepot:
Thread jacking is explicitly proscribed. Other members have been given an anal exam, looking for for ANY justification, the slightest transgression, in an effort to ban them.
Ridicule is also a violation. Or are the rules just there for those you disagree with.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 15, 2017, 08:39:49 PM
I've been in his shoes, made an honest mistake, and self reported. It's no laughing matter. No one here is laughing at him.
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2017, 08:41:30 PM
I really see this as a way of taking the spotlight off him and moving on. Subconsciously I think we're doing him a favor by thread jacking and changing the subject to silly nonsense. No one is doing this at his expense, I certainly wasn't.
I've been in his shoes, made an honest mistake, and self reported. It's no laughing matter. No one here is laughing at him.
No one commenting has reached out.
Post by: KFhunter on December 15, 2017, 08:45:08 PM
I don't know anything about the goat hunter, we were done talking about him like on page 1
but I'm really curious about this tub, a small goat, olive oil and a sous vide cooker :stirthepot:
Thread jacking is explicitly proscribed. Other members have been given an anal exam, looking for for ANY justification, the slightest transgression, in an effort to ban them.
Ridicule is also a violation. Or are the rules just there for those you disagree with.
:tinfoil:
There's a big difference in types of thread jacks, this one is a nonissue. There's no information, no named people involved, and nothing to speculate. It's done, now it's just idle banter.
Post by: DaveMonti on December 15, 2017, 08:48:52 PM
I just can see how anyone ever thought this was going to end well.
Dave,
The man reportedly admits he made a grave mistake, the very minute he recognized that he was wrong he self reported. Is there something you know that suggests that there was any effort to not own up to carelessness, or any effort to justify?
He screwed up and his first inclination was not to hunker down, justify, excuse, prevaricate on where the animal was taken... etc ad infinitum?
If we take him at his word, the man had no reason to think this might not end well. It appears he was either mistaken about where the tag was valid or where he was. Once he became aware that he had violated he "manned up."
JD, I was having fun. I was actually referring to the goat sous vide in the tub.
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2017, 08:50:23 PM
What I immediately felt when reading the OP was: I feel his pain. Not that I have personal experience, I don't need to. But everything in the public record suggests that this was a colossal screw up. Everything in the public record also suggests that it is far more unlikely than not to ever occur in the future. He screwed up, that does not mean he is a "screw up." What if he is a member here? Any entertainment value this incident had (given what we "know") is totally lost on me.
Post by: KFhunter on December 15, 2017, 08:56:23 PM
Besides that, many are the times when "thread jacking" was going on there have been admonitions from mods to "take it elsewhere." I guess that only applies in certain circumstances.
What I immediately felt when reading the OP was: I feel his pain. Not that I have personal experience, I don't need to. But everything in the public record suggests that this was a colossal screw up. Everything in the public record also suggests that it is far more unlikely than not to ever occur in the future. He screwed up, that does not mean he is a "screw up." What if he is a member here? Any entertainment value this incident had (given what we "know") is totally lost on me.
Besides that, many are the times when "thread jacking" was going on there have been admonitions from mods to "take it elsewhere." I guess that only applies in certain circumstances.
congratulations, you've answered your own question. Do I care if someone "jacks" a thread that's already its course? It depends :tung:
What I immediately felt when reading the OP was: I feel his pain. Not that I have personal experience, I don't need to. But everything in the public record suggests that this was a colossal screw up. Everything in the public record also suggests that it is far more unlikely than not to ever occur in the future. He screwed up, that does not mean he is a "screw up." What if he is a member here? Any entertainment value this incident had (given what we "know") is totally lost on me.
....and here I raise up the BS flag. You saw an opportunity to bring up Bullwinkle so drummed up some fake outrage, guilt tripped everyone having fun in the thread and made another thread about what you think.
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
I just can see how anyone ever thought this was going to end well.
Dave,
The man reportedly admits he made a grave mistake, the very minute he recognized that he was wrong he self reported. Is there something you know that suggests that there was any effort to not own up to carelessness, or any effort to justify?
He screwed up and his first inclination was not to hunker down, justify, excuse, prevaricate on where the animal was taken... etc ad infinitum?
If we take him at his word, the man had no reason to think this might not end well. It appears he was either mistaken about where the tag was valid or where he was. Once he became aware that he had violated he "manned up."
JD, I was having fun. I was actually referring to the goat sous vide in the tub.
I know Dave.
What I personally object to is the attempt to is that there was a bald faced attempt to use this unfortunate incident to snipe at other members who would not back down in the face of falsehoods and insisted that in their honest opinion, if justice was too be done, in the referenced incident that charges must be pursued.
Make no mistake about it: Charges and a likely plea will result here. Rightfully so IMHO.
Post by: KFhunter on December 15, 2017, 09:09:17 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2017, 09:11:21 PM
From what I see, nobody was going after the guy and nobody was trying to snipe someone who wouldn't back down.
Many of us said straight out that he's a stand up guy.
Many of us have admitted our own shortcomings.
The guy displayed better ethics than many - I'd like to think I'd do the same. I'd buy him a beer.
But come on....... the El whappo st Helens Bunny goat iss pure gold.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 15, 2017, 09:11:34 PM
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2017, 09:21:34 PM
Besides that, many are the times when "thread jacking" was going on there have been admonitions from mods to "take it elsewhere." I guess that only applies in certain circumstances.
What I immediately felt when reading the OP was: I feel his pain. Not that I have personal experience, I don't need to. But everything in the public record suggests that this was a colossal screw up. Everything in the public record also suggests that it is far more unlikely than not to ever occur in the future. He screwed up, that does not mean he is a "screw up." What if he is a member here? Any entertainment value this incident had (given what we "know") is totally lost on me.
Besides that, many are the times when "thread jacking" was going on there have been admonitions from mods to "take it elsewhere." I guess that only applies in certain circumstances.
congratulations, you've answered your own question. Do I care if someone "jacks" a thread that's already its course? It depends :tung:
What I immediately felt when reading the OP was: I feel his pain. Not that I have personal experience, I don't need to. But everything in the public record suggests that this was a colossal screw up. Everything in the public record also suggests that it is far more unlikely than not to ever occur in the future. He screwed up, that does not mean he is a "screw up." What if he is a member here? Any entertainment value this incident had (given what we "know") is totally lost on me.
....and here I raise up the BS flag. You saw an opportunity to bring up Bullwinkle so drummed up some fake outrage, guilt tripped everyone having fun in the thread and made another thread about what you think.
It was not I who attempted to "bring up Bullwinkle."
That was a bald faced attempt to bring derision on members who stuck to facts when posting fact and also shared their opinions in a case that had widespread interest.
It impressed me as a bald faced attempt to marginalize those members and sportsmen at large who kept WDFW and Kittitas County aware that this case was important to them.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 15, 2017, 09:25:40 PM
Besides that, many are the times when "thread jacking" was going on there have been admonitions from mods to "take it elsewhere." I guess that only applies in certain circumstances.
What I immediately felt when reading the OP was: I feel his pain. Not that I have personal experience, I don't need to. But everything in the public record suggests that this was a colossal screw up. Everything in the public record also suggests that it is far more unlikely than not to ever occur in the future. He screwed up, that does not mean he is a "screw up." What if he is a member here? Any entertainment value this incident had (given what we "know") is totally lost on me.
Besides that, many are the times when "thread jacking" was going on there have been admonitions from mods to "take it elsewhere." I guess that only applies in certain circumstances.
congratulations, you've answered your own question. Do I care if someone "jacks" a thread that's already its course? It depends :tung:
What I immediately felt when reading the OP was: I feel his pain. Not that I have personal experience, I don't need to. But everything in the public record suggests that this was a colossal screw up. Everything in the public record also suggests that it is far more unlikely than not to ever occur in the future. He screwed up, that does not mean he is a "screw up." What if he is a member here? Any entertainment value this incident had (given what we "know") is totally lost on me.
....and here I raise up the BS flag. You saw an opportunity to bring up Bullwinkle so drummed up some fake outrage, guilt tripped everyone having fun in the thread and made another thread about what you think.
It was not I who attempted to "bring up Bullwinkle."
That was a bald faced attempt to bring derision on members who stuck to facts when posting fact and also shared their opinions in a case that had widespread interest.
It impressed me as a bald faced attempt to marginalize those members and sportsmen at large who kept WDFW and Kittitas County aware that this case was important to them.
JD DUDE you need to take a self imposed HW break before you snap, your way to serious about yourself, and this stuff.
Come back after the New Year start fresh my pal you deserve it. :tup:
Post by: DaveMonti on December 15, 2017, 09:26:18 PM
Clearly, the folks having fun on this thread have realized that there is very little information about this case available, nothing "new" being presented, there is no controversial speculation and innuendo, and the original topic is no longer the subject. Everyone realizes the guy turned himself in, and the system will do what it will do. The discussion on this goat is clearly done, and not at all related to the Reichert fiasco.
Is having fun like this "Thread Jacking"? Depends on your perspective. For me, the discussion on the incident is done (unless someone want's to speculate). I'm glad to see some folks having some innocent fun and to NOT see this thread devolve into Native Bashing, wolf discussions, or people complaining about the WDFW without offering any solutions, which I WOULD consider "thread jacking".
If there is info to add about the case, go ahead, anyone is free to comment, but bringing Reichert into this discussion is just showing how you can't let it go.
Guess what? It's done. Nobody cares anymore, about Reichert or your claims about what you knew, when you knew it, and how right you (always) are.
As far as your soft side of being here for a hunter in distress and feeling alone after he turned himself in, give me a break. If you feel that bad for the guy, post your own thread saying "If you are the hunter that shot the goat in the wrong unit, I'm here for you. PM me." If you think we are making fun of HIM, well you are just dead wrong.
Personally, I'm tired of JD taking the fun out of everything, so I'm going to do something I've not done before. Goodbye JD. I will not have to read your drivel anymore.
Post by: Dan-o on December 15, 2017, 09:34:42 PM
Did I miss something?
Post by: JDHasty on December 15, 2017, 09:43:40 PM
Well that was a perfectly good derail derailed. JD, maybe early on there was some jabs thrown or attempts made to admonish the guy, but those are long since gone. We're just blowing off steam and having fun now. Sorry if it offended you.
This cannot be the subject of humor to the individual involved. What if it was you? What if after you were aware "this is serious," I totally screwed up, you had done everything right?
Where is thew humor in that? How can individuals you had formed a connection to through this site use my predicament as a springboard into humor instead of focusing on how to best support a fellow member who screwed up, if in fact the individual is a member?
Put yourself in another member's shoes, if they are a member. They might just come here to see how others in this community react.
My God man, can you imagine how it must feel to know that what you face is serious and others think it is a joking matter?
How would it feel to know that you have to go to work every day and not be looking forward to hunting season for a few years? How would you get by not thinking about how to do it better next October? How would you feel knowing that you screwed up your once in a lifetime hunt?
It incident just isn't the least bit humerous to me.
Post by: KFhunter on December 15, 2017, 09:59:08 PM
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A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
*If*and that's a big *if*....the guy was a HW member and wanted to make a public apology, have his Oprah moment on HW, nothing is stopping him.
A lot of folks already said he did the right thing self reporting and gave him kudo's for that.
Post by: Antlershed on December 16, 2017, 06:14:32 AM
So, here’s my opinions:
The OP seemed like it was trying to stir up drama about the actual goat incident (I won’t call it a poaching) from the beginning.
Then a couple guys showed up that, from what I can gather, know the hunter.
It sounds like a mistake to me (why else would he self-report?).
If I was the hunter in question and came across this thread, I would see that guys were done talking about me a week ago, and the only argument was about whether or not I should have self-reported. Most guys posted saying they felt sorry for me, acknowledged the screw-up, but still respected me. Then, the thread got derailed so far from the goat incident that people were posting pictures of a very rare El Whoppo St Helens Bunny Goat.
My opinion in case it wasn’t clear above....the goat hunter messed up by not knowing he was outside his hunt boundary (we as hunters need to know this). He owned up to his mistake, and will have to deal with whatever consequences he ultimately faces. I hope he doesn’t get nailed to the wall, and I would have no problem sharing a beer with the person.
And here’s a fact:
Nobody mentioned Bullwinkle, Reichert, or Kittitas County until you showed up JD.
Post by: JDHasty on December 16, 2017, 07:43:00 AM
Wow, I guess I logged off HuntWA to get the kiddos to bed a little too early last night.
So, here’s my opinions:
The OP seemed like it was trying to stir up drama about the actual goat incident (I won’t call it a poaching) from the beginning.
Then a couple guys showed up that, from what I can gather, know the hunter.
It sounds like a mistake to me (why else would he self-report?).
If I was the hunter in question and came across this thread, I would see that guys were done talking about me a week ago, and the only argument was about whether or not I should have self-reported. Most guys posted saying they felt sorry for me, acknowledged the screw-up, but still respected me. Then, the thread got derailed so far from the goat incident that people were posting pictures of a very rare El Whoppo St Helens Bunny Goat.
My opinion in case it wasn’t clear above....the goat hunter messed up by not knowing he was outside his hunt boundary (we as hunters need to know this). He owned up to his mistake, and will have to deal with whatever consequences he ultimately faces. I hope he doesn’t get nailed to the wall, and I would have no problem sharing a beer with the person.
And here’s a fact:
Nobody mentioned Bullwinkle, Reichert, or Kittitas County until you showed up JD.
Posts were deleted. I have said all I am going to on this subject.
Post by: Timberstalker on December 16, 2017, 08:03:11 AM
Post by: Antlershed on December 16, 2017, 08:24:11 AM
Perfect!:yeah:
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2017, 09:47:58 AM
Posts were deleted. I have said all I am going to on this subject.
That isn't true at all, no posts were deleted that had anything to do with TR other than the one you made quoting yourself, and you deleted that one.
Post by: jmscon on December 16, 2017, 09:51:28 AM
I thought this thread was going back on track, that was close!
Post by: h20hunter on December 16, 2017, 09:52:17 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 16, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
Posts were deleted. I have said all I am going to on this subject.
That isn't true at all, no posts were deleted that had anything to do with TR other than the one you made quoting yourself.
:yeah:
He's right. And that post was deleted by you, JD. Just to be clear, the only other posts deleted in this thread, since we're going there, are 2 by the OP he deleted himself, 1 where someone called the hunter a censored name, 1 post from me quoting that post and another by KF because he threatened to ban me for being a bunny hugger :yike:
Post by: h20hunter on December 16, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2017, 10:08:29 AM
I also took the time to go through all the logs and after I got through the mountain of classified ads being moderated (Woodchuck your awesome MOTW) there's only been one moderation on the poached goat thread, one post deleted by Jackalope because it had profanity, and was totally unrelated to TR.
Mods won't be dry shaved
Post by: Timberstalker on December 16, 2017, 10:17:03 AM
Mods won't be dry shaved
Only bunny hugging mods will be dry shaved.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 16, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 16, 2017, 10:45:29 AM
I was hoping for food pictures from merk about poached goat.
We tried to hook up. I was going to throw him some mountain goat loins for him to work some magic on but he's half way across the state.
Post by: DaveMonti on December 17, 2017, 09:24:33 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 17, 2017, 09:35:10 PM