Post by: ruttnbuck on December 25, 2017, 10:23:56 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 25, 2017, 10:31:24 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 25, 2017, 10:37:05 PM
"primarily coyote" tells me you want to use it for other stuff too, does this mean deer? ground squirrels? Or something else?
Post by: yotehunt on December 25, 2017, 11:39:31 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 26, 2017, 06:39:37 AM
222, 223, 243.
The round count varies from 1 to sometimes hectic. :chuckle:
Post by: headshot5 on December 26, 2017, 06:43:14 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 26, 2017, 07:01:17 AM
Post by: ruttnbuck on December 26, 2017, 07:28:40 AM
Do you want to save the fur?
I'd like to save the fur and will be only for predator hunting, no deer.
"primarily coyote" tells me you want to use it for other stuff too, does this mean deer? ground squirrels? Or something else?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 26, 2017, 07:30:02 AM
I've been thinking about a varmint gun. Can the .22-250 be done on an AR15 platform? Has anyone used the .223 WSSM round? Thanks.
Post by: ruttnbuck on December 26, 2017, 07:32:17 AM
Post by: MADMAX on December 26, 2017, 07:37:40 AM
more versatile
:twocents:
Post by: bobcat on December 26, 2017, 08:00:02 AM
Post by: fastdam on December 26, 2017, 08:14:06 AM
Post by: bhawley76 on December 26, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
Post by: ruttnbuck on December 26, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
Post by: Curly on December 26, 2017, 08:38:29 AM
For coyote specifically, what are the advantages of .22-250 over .223/5.56mm? The cost of the ammo seems to be averaging about twice the cost of the .223 or more. :dunno:
I've been thinking about a varmint gun. Can the .22-250 be done on an AR15 platform? Has anyone used the .223 WSSM round? Thanks.
I'd suggest not going the 223 wssm route. Ammo availability is a real problem as is simply finding brass if you want to reload it. :twocents:
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 26, 2017, 08:38:40 AM
Lots of info.
Huntin pardner uses a 22-250 and I use a 223.
Post by: UBA on December 26, 2017, 08:41:10 AM
Post by: AWS on December 26, 2017, 08:49:00 AM
I have two favorite fur guns, the little 222 Rem with the same 52gr Speer and a wild cat 22-204 with 40gr Nosler Ballistic tips at close to 4000 fps pretty easy to duplicate with the 22-250. All of my coyotes are called and all under 200 yards with most under 100. I find light weight Nosler Ballistic Tips to be a stouter bullet than the V-Max for predator hunting.
I hunt them with combo guns in 5.6x50R Mag/12ga, 22 Savage Highpower/12ga, lever action in 218 Bee, bolt actions in 22 Hornet, 222 Rem, 223 Rem, 22-204 and 22-250. All are great predator hunting rounds if you have the right bullet and understand their limitations.
Post by: Doublelunger on December 26, 2017, 08:55:57 AM
Post by: Eric M on December 26, 2017, 09:31:19 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 26, 2017, 09:45:33 AM
.22 hornet is about as low as you can go in .22 centerfire, but I'm not sure I'd want to use that on a lion that isn't in a tree with dogs below it :dunno: I never shot a .22 hornet, but it sounds interesting for bobcat and should be as fur friendly as it gets in centerfire. Savage makes a walking varmeter chambered for .22 hornet and CZ makes a sweet little .22 hornet rifle ;) I'd get the CZ for sure.
.223 is plenty for cougar and coyote but can be hard on fur with bobcat and even coyotes, you can help that with proper bullet selection and placement though. AR15 is pretty much the standard unless you want a bolt action, but nothing beats the AR for follow up shots on multiple coyotes. I've gotten doubles with bolt action though too.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 26, 2017, 09:52:27 AM
I think I agree with the 243. Also the biggest caliber allowed when hunting yotes, during elk etc. season without needing that tag.
Not correct, .243 is the minimum legal for big game (except cougar which is .22 centerfire), so to avoid the tag issue during deer or elk season, would need to stay at .22 caliber or smaller.
From WDFW F.A.Q.:
"Big game, except cougar, must be hunted with a minimum of .24 caliber (6mm) centerfire rifle. Cougar may be hunted with a .22 caliber centerfire rifle. Rimfire rifles are not legal for big game.
In Washington, with the exception of cougar, a .24 caliber rifle is legal for all big game, including deer, goat, sheep, elk, and moose. Although it is okay to do so, few hunters actually use a .24 caliber rifle to hunt game larger than deer, due to the lack of knockdown power. The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission did not want to establish a sliding scale of legal rifle calibers by species, so it opted for the .24 caliber rule."
Post by: KFhunter on December 26, 2017, 10:01:41 AM
from WDFW FAQ
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In order to hunt coyotes in Washington State, a valid small game or big game hunting license is required (RCW 77.32.010). Coyotes are unclassified wildife and are not regulated by WDFW. Since they are unclassified, any weapon may be used to hunt them. There is no bag limit and coyotes can be hunted year round.So you can hunt them at night in September, October or November in areas closed to rifle deer or elk.....So in firearm restricted areas or shotgun only zones you could hunt them at night with something other than a rifle.
Hunting or pursuing coyotes with dogs is prohibited.
Coyotes may be hunted at night EXCEPT during the months of September, October, or November in any area open to a centerfire rifle deer or elk season.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 26, 2017, 10:01:55 AM
The cartridge isn't really that critical, anything will work. I agree with either the 223 or 243. I'd probably go with the 243 if I was purchasing a new predator rifle. But most important in my mind is I'd want a relatively light rifle with a short barrel (probably 20 - 22 inch.) As others have said the 243 is a good choice just due to the versatility and the fact that you can hunt deer with it too. But, if you're saving the fur, the 223 might be the best option for that reason.
:yeah:
Bullet choice will have a greater impact on fur damage or lack of in the calibers discussed. And choice of rifle as mentioned, light and easy to carry if on the move will go along way towards making it a more enjoyable outing.
Post by: Eric M on December 26, 2017, 10:02:29 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 26, 2017, 10:14:43 AM
For coyote specifically, what are the advantages of .22-250 over .223/5.56mm? The cost of the ammo seems to be averaging about twice the cost of the .223 or more. :dunno:
I've been thinking about a varmint gun. Can the .22-250 be done on an AR15 platform? Has anyone used the .223 WSSM round? Thanks.
It was for awhile. Since the company folded, not sure if anyone else is currently doing though...
Post by: ruttnbuck on December 26, 2017, 10:15:03 AM
Thanks everyone for the insight, I'm not really familiar with all the different ballistics to increase damage or decrease, but the more I think about it maybe I should get a .243 just do to the fact that my daughter may want to deer hunt in next couple years.The cartridge isn't really that critical, anything will work. I agree with either the 223 or 243. I'd probably go with the 243 if I was purchasing a new predator rifle. But most important in my mind is I'd want a relatively light rifle with a short barrel (probably 20 - 22 inch.) As others have said the 243 is a good choice just due to the versatility and the fact that you can hunt deer with it too. But, if you're saving the fur, the 223 might be the best option for that reason.
:yeah:
Bullet choice will have a greater impact on fur damage or lack of in the calibers discussed. And choice of rifle as mentioned, light and easy to carry if on the move will go along way towards making it a more enjoyable outing.
Post by: KFhunter on December 26, 2017, 10:18:54 AM
I did the same thing, I still pack the .243 if I'm snowshoeing in a ways as it's more back friendly than an AR :chuckle:
Post by: Eric M on December 26, 2017, 10:27:01 AM
Post by: AWS on December 26, 2017, 10:36:50 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.com%2Fv2%2F640x480q90%2F924%2FAxySME.jpg&hash=c7b3e9934e6da3db0f44b00bce61d97d90613116) (https://imageshack.com/i/poAxySMEj)
I rarely use it as I find a bolt action or combo gun to work better for me, I always rely on the first shot.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 26, 2017, 11:27:29 AM
For coyote specifically, what are the advantages of .22-250 over .223/5.56mm? The cost of the ammo seems to be averaging about twice the cost of the .223 or more. :dunno:
I've been thinking about a varmint gun. Can the .22-250 be done on an AR15 platform? Has anyone used the .223 WSSM round? Thanks.
It was for awhile. Since the company folded, not sure if anyone else is currently doing though...
Boy, that's not cheap, especially with the standard stock and furniture on it. Probably a moot point anyway, though.
Post by: snowshoes22 on December 26, 2017, 12:10:10 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 26, 2017, 12:13:13 PM
For Cougar you have to use at least a .22 caliber centerfire or larger, so from there you need to pick one that is enough for cougar but not too much for bobcat fur.
.22 hornet is about as low as you can go in .22 centerfire, but I'm not sure I'd want to use that on a lion that isn't in a tree with dogs below it :dunno: I never shot a .22 hornet, but it sounds interesting for bobcat and should be as fur friendly as it gets in centerfire. Savage makes a walking varmeter chambered for .22 hornet and CZ makes a sweet little .22 hornet rifle ;) I'd get the CZ for sure.
.223 is plenty for cougar and coyote but can be hard on fur with bobcat and even coyotes, you can help that with proper bullet selection and placement though. AR15 is pretty much the standard unless you want a bolt action, but nothing beats the AR for follow up shots on multiple oyotes. I've gotten doubles with bolt action though too.
Rock Island Armory 22 TCM rifle is the answer.
Post by: Bofire on December 26, 2017, 02:12:16 PM
I also have a 243 set up identical to the 22-250, if its a contest, I think they will be long range, it is important that I kill them or if I might call a cougar I use the 243. ( except for deer/elk seasons)
I like all three cartridges and use them all for coyotes for the last 20 years or more.
Carl
Post by: KFhunter on December 26, 2017, 03:57:51 PM
For Cougar you have to use at least a .22 caliber centerfire or larger, so from there you need to pick one that is enough for cougar but not too much for bobcat fur.
.22 hornet is about as low as you can go in .22 centerfire, but I'm not sure I'd want to use that on a lion that isn't in a tree with dogs below it :dunno: I never shot a .22 hornet, but it sounds interesting for bobcat and should be as fur friendly as it gets in centerfire. Savage makes a walking varmeter chambered for .22 hornet and CZ makes a sweet little .22 hornet rifle ;) I'd get the CZ for sure.
.223 is plenty for cougar and coyote but can be hard on fur with bobcat and even coyotes, you can help that with proper bullet selection and placement though. AR15 is pretty much the standard unless you want a bolt action, but nothing beats the AR for follow up shots on multiple oyotes. I've gotten doubles with bolt action though too.
Rock Island Armory 22 TCM rifle is the answer.
I can duplicate that with 9x25 dillon barrel in my G20 ;)
Post by: ELKBURGER on December 26, 2017, 04:21:38 PM
Post by: zwickeyman on December 26, 2017, 04:33:51 PM
The Dillon is a screamer, I have one for my G20 but need to get one for my G40, that would be fun!
Post by: KFhunter on December 26, 2017, 05:22:54 PM
KFhunter
The Dillon is a screamer, I have one for my G20 but need to get one for my G40, that would be fun!
:yeah:
get an optics ready long slide and extended 9x25 barrel :tup:
(https://us.glock.com/img/mos/versatility/pistol-slide.png)
You could break 2000fps with that
Post by: ruttnbuck on December 26, 2017, 05:28:41 PM
The .243 Win is tough to beat for versatility. 95 gr reloads for deer, 55 gr reloads for yotes.Beautiful sight!! hopefully I can perform that well .
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 26, 2017, 06:18:23 PM
For Cougar you have to use at least a .22 caliber centerfire or larger, so from there you need to pick one that is enough for cougar but not too much for bobcat fur.
.22 hornet is about as low as you can go in .22 centerfire, but I'm not sure I'd want to use that on a lion that isn't in a tree with dogs below it :dunno: I never shot a .22 hornet, but it sounds interesting for bobcat and should be as fur friendly as it gets in centerfire. Savage makes a walking varmeter chambered for .22 hornet and CZ makes a sweet little .22 hornet rifle ;) I'd get the CZ for sure.
.223 is plenty for cougar and coyote but can be hard on fur with bobcat and even coyotes, you can help that with proper bullet selection and placement though. AR15 is pretty much the standard unless you want a bolt action, but nothing beats the AR for follow up shots on multiple oyotes. I've gotten doubles with bolt action though too.
Rock Island Armory 22 TCM rifle is the answer.
I can duplicate that with 9x25 dillon barrel in my G20 ;)
How's the range on that KF ? Have you ever seen the 22 TCM ?
Post by: BKMFR on December 26, 2017, 08:07:30 PM
Post by: ruttnbuck on December 26, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
Post by: pd on December 26, 2017, 10:13:52 PM
300 rum never any doubt if you missed.
There's always one of these in a crowd.
:hello:
Post by: pashok23 on December 26, 2017, 10:18:36 PM
12ga Shotgun
Post by: Eric M on December 27, 2017, 08:58:00 AM
Ended up going with savage axis .243 Winchester it was more in my price range too and my daughter will be able to use if decides to hunt deer. Now gotta find a fox pro that doesn't cost arm and leg :tup:Spend another 100 bucks and put a Romney trigger in it. You'll thank me
Post by: Curly on December 27, 2017, 09:05:19 AM
Ended up going with savage axis .243 Winchester it was more in my price range too and my daughter will be able to use if decides to hunt deer. Now gotta find a fox pro that doesn't cost arm and leg :tup:Spend another 100 bucks and put a Romney trigger in it. You'll thank me
Better yet, get a Timney. ;)
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 27, 2017, 09:08:27 AM
Ended up going with savage axis .243 Winchester it was more in my price range too and my daughter will be able to use if decides to hunt deer. Now gotta find a fox pro that doesn't cost arm and leg :tup:Spend another 100 bucks and put a Romney trigger in it. You'll thank me
If you were not already aware, Savage is offering a $100.00 rebate on all Axis models purchased before Dec 31. Have until Jan 31 to submit form, then expect a long wait, but if you do everthing correct, you will get a $100.00 pre-paid VISA.
I got two of the 12FV rifles, one rebate is already back and spent, the second is approved and awaiting mailing. It is by no means a fast process, but worth the wait.
Also, do it on-line instead of snail mail. A large amount of mailed in rebates seem to be having issues. Scan or take pictures of the required info and should be good to go. If something is wrong, can call the number and they seem very willing to help correct any mistakes.
Post by: superdown on December 27, 2017, 11:13:45 AM
Post by: Eric M on December 27, 2017, 01:24:04 PM
Thanks auto correct on my phone has been awful. I don't know that Romney makes triggers haha. I meant Timney.Ended up going with savage axis .243 Winchester it was more in my price range too and my daughter will be able to use if decides to hunt deer. Now gotta find a fox pro that doesn't cost arm and leg :tup:Spend another 100 bucks and put a Romney trigger in it. You'll thank me
Better yet, get a Timney. ;)
Post by: Eric M on December 27, 2017, 01:26:08 PM
Ruger predator in .308 with Hornady superperformance 150grn sst and a Burris Timberline 3-9X36.While that set up will certainly kill coyote, I think he wanted to save the hides.
Post by: superdown on December 27, 2017, 01:38:33 PM
I didn't pay attention to that part :chuckle: this ammo definitely will not save hides :yike: . The last coyote i shot was 138 yards and my dad who was watching through his binos said he flipped.The blood spray on the grass was crazy.I just leave'em where they lay.Ruger predator in .308 with Hornady superperformance 150grn sst and a Burris Timberline 3-9X36.While that set up will certainly kill coyote, I think he wanted to save the hides.
Post by: ruttnbuck on December 27, 2017, 02:38:25 PM
Thanks blanktail sniper, yes I knew that.Ended up going with savage axis .243 Winchester it was more in my price range too and my daughter will be able to use if decides to hunt deer. Now gotta find a fox pro that doesn't cost arm and leg :tup:Spend another 100 bucks and put a Romney trigger in it. You'll thank me
If you were not already aware, Savage is offering a $100.00 rebate on all Axis models purchased before Dec 31. Have until Jan 31 to submit form, then expect a long wait, but if you do everthing correct, you will get a $100.00 pre-paid VISA.
I got two of the 12FV rifles, one rebate is already back and spent, the second is approved and awaiting mailing. It is by no means a fast process, but worth the wait.
Also, do it on-line instead of snail mail. A large amount of mailed in rebates seem to be having issues. Scan or take pictures of the required info and should be good to go. If something is wrong, can call the number and they seem very willing to help correct any mistakes.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 28, 2017, 09:03:27 PM
Post by: Eric M on December 28, 2017, 09:13:11 PM
30-30He said he was trying to save the hides
Post by: seth30 on December 28, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
Post by: ruttnbuck on December 30, 2017, 07:54:53 AM
Post by: fly-by on December 30, 2017, 08:17:06 AM
Ruger predator in .308 with Hornady superperformance 150grn sst and a Burris Timberline 3-9X36.
I use the same rifle but with 125 grain TNTs over 4064 pushing 3100 fps. 3" low at 200 yards, 11" at 300.
Post by: Ironhead on December 30, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
Post by: follow maggie on December 30, 2017, 10:28:38 PM
Post by: nwwanderer on December 31, 2017, 06:24:16 AM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 31, 2017, 08:50:09 AM
12 gauge :tup::yeah:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 31, 2017, 08:54:55 AM
Uhhhh, OK? But the title says "Your [as in my, me, yours truly's] favorite weapon." Plus he doesn't mention anything about saving hides in the intial post? Just sayin :brew:30-30He said he was trying to save the hides
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 31, 2017, 11:08:27 AM
Uhhhh, OK? But the title says "Your [as in my, me, yours truly's] favorite weapon." Plus he doesn't mention anything about saving hides in the intial post? Just sayin :brew:30-30He said he was trying to save the hides
But, if the time is taken :4w: to read all the prior posts, he does go on to say that he would like like to save fur:
Yes I'd like to save the fur and will be hunting predators mainly coyote, hopefully bobcats and if really lucky a cougar.
Post by: hunter399 on December 31, 2017, 01:50:50 PM
Post by: Axle on December 31, 2017, 04:21:42 PM
I've nailed a lot of yotes in my life and all of them have been with the 22LR with one exception. One yote at about 1200 yards with a 25-06. Everyone there was surprised I got the arch correct on that shot.
Other than that - I would use any caliber in hand :tup:
Post by: Curly on December 31, 2017, 05:23:34 PM
:tup:
Post by: snowshoes22 on December 31, 2017, 05:32:37 PM
Post by: AWS on December 31, 2017, 11:00:40 PM
Post by: Special T on January 01, 2018, 08:28:28 AM
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Post by: Idighuntin on January 01, 2018, 09:29:30 PM
What? No votes for the 22LR?
I've nailed a lot of yotes in my life and all of them have been with the 22LR with one exception. One yote at about 1200 yards with a 25-06. Everyone there was surprised I got the arch correct on that shot.
Other than that - I would use any caliber in hand :tup:
1200 yards with a 25-06 my ass. :bash:
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Post by: Evil_EdwardO on February 22, 2018, 08:58:19 AM
After talking to anther member on here, he made a good point that allot of the coyotes in this area western wa aren't really in good shape as far as fur goes , most of the dogs I've seen are mangy looking and look like hell, so if I end up ruining the fur its not the end of the world. I was just thinking it would be cool to save a hide or 2 and tan them just to say that i did. I'm not really a big fur and hide guy but having a couple hanging in my man room would be cool. Now I gotta figure out what a good load is for .243 hunting coyote, I don't load my own rounds but could probably find someone too if needed. I'd like a round that'll put them down but also not cut em half.
Winchester Varmint X in 58grain if I'm using factory loads. Otherwise, I load Hornady 58g VMax with IMR 4064.
Post by: nwwanderer on February 22, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2018, 01:31:30 PM
69 SMKs and 55 VMAX are excellent bullets and there are a million 224 bullets to choose from for reloading.
Overall, I think the best coyote weapon is the one you have on hand when the coyote is there. Nothing wrong with using a deer rifle. I've got a 6.5-06AI that's begging to let the air out of a coyote.
Post by: eastsidemallard74 on March 06, 2018, 01:35:13 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2018, 01:43:19 PM
Worst I've seen on fur is from bone hits with bigger bullets in the 180-215 range
Post by: Special T on March 06, 2018, 02:15:58 PM
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Post by: TrygveVandal2001 on April 30, 2018, 10:13:51 PM
Yes a .224 can allow cougar opportunity but at a significant cost per round and decreased barrel life. At that point have a friend with a bolt action .308 back you up and then you have AR15 and bolt action .308, it's a great combo. Or just bring a bolt action with you and set-up using it to spot and ID targets before deciding engagement plan and possible platform swap. Cost per round and barrel life factored in .308 is essentially more cost effective (including expected barrel life and cost to replace than a .224 and has greater capabilities. However you shouldn't expect much with regard to hides with that platform.
Post by: konradcountry on May 31, 2018, 09:45:57 PM
223 bolt for range
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Post by: Cougartail on June 12, 2018, 09:04:44 AM
For the most part I use a 7mm-08 with predator rounds, it's absolutely deadly and does zero damage to the fur , I shot a small bobcat and was amazed at the internal damage yet it only punched a tiny hole in and didn't exit !!
Handloads? What brand and weight?
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Post by: crowinghen on December 20, 2018, 09:59:08 PM
Ended up going with savage axis .243 Winchester it was more in my price range too and my daughter will be able to use if decides to hunt deer. Now gotta find a fox pro that doesn't cost arm and leg :tup:
I use a Youth model same gun- that might be what your daughter needs depending on her age or size? Not an expensive gun, but sure does the job.