Post by: Indian Summer on January 11, 2018, 05:02:44 PM
A little about myself: Originally from Pa, home of giant bulls that you’ll never draw a tag to hunt, I’ve been chasing elk in western Montana for over 30 years. I was a licensed outfitter there and owned Indian Summer Outfitters for 13 years. I’ve also done some guiding in Wyoming as well as Washington’s west side around Naselle and Rosburg. So I know a place or two to kill elk. I sold my outfit in 2012 to a good friend from Montana who worked for me the entire time I owned the business. That’s when the fun began!
I punched my elk tag every year up there and then I had the time to start doing the same down in Wyoming. I’ve helped a lot of people do the same along the way as well. So one day as I debated on where I would hunt the following year it dawned on me that I can’t hunt all of my honey holes.... but I could probably find some interest from others who might want to. With the rising cost of elk tags I decided to start a business that would hopefully at least pay for my own elk hunt each year. So Headin’ West Hunt Consulting was born!
I had always enjoyed teaching and weaned lots of my clients on to hunting elk on their own. So the do it yourself hunter is who I cater to. I provide detailed hunt plans for both Montana and Wyoming to hunters with a wide variety of goals and abilities. From young guys to old, veteran hunters and rookies my job is to set my clients up with a plan that fits. I include a set of topo maps for each member of your group marked with all kinds of information including hunting routes to work the area. You also get a set of written instructions to walk you through how to hunt the area. I’ll tell you everything from where to park and camp, or set up your pack in camp to how to access the hot spits as well as everything you need to know down where to have your elk processed locally if you want to. Once you purchase a hunt plan you are free to email, text, or call as often as you want for as long as you need to so I can answer any questions you or your partners might have to make sure you are ready to put your plan to good use. I’ve had guys text me saying “Spotted 2 bulls bedded at the head of the X Creek drainage right NOW... what should we do?” I enjoy doing whatever it takes to help my hunters score.
You can look up some of my reviws on Bowsite dot com. I can provide references if you want them. My elk hunters have an extremely high success rate. With the cost of an elk license and considering how valuable your vacation time is let me help speed up your learning curve. Get started hunting elk in a place you’ll look forward to calling home and going back to year after year instead of driving home disappointed with empty coolers. Quit paying an outfitter every year when you can do this on your own way cheaper.
When I first started this business I thought my main customers would be the newbies. The guys with no experience who didn’t know where to begin. I was wrong. It’s the hunters and their partners who have tried it 2 or 4 times with little or no luck who are the ones who realize the value of what I have to offer. I always smile when those rookies more often than not call me back a year later telling me about their elkless elk hunt down in Colorado.
By the way I still book outfitted hunts for the owner of my old business if you want a guided, semi guided, or drop camp hunt. Enough for now. Good luck to all in the drawings and best wishes with your 2018 hunting adventures!
Joe Ferraro
www.headinwest.net
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on January 11, 2018, 06:10:49 PM
Post by: dwils233 on January 11, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
Did I miss the price on your site? Or that based on the hunt?
Post by: Indian Summer on January 11, 2018, 09:09:37 PM
Oh hell, there goes the neighborhood 😎2935 posts Wapiti Talk.... I have some catching up to do! ;)
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Post by: teanawayslayer on January 12, 2018, 05:54:46 AM
So Joe I didn't see what states we are talking. Is there a specialty you have i.e. wilderness, lodge, private, public land hunts?website says Wyoming and Montana
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Post by: White Pass Outfitters on January 12, 2018, 06:54:33 AM
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Post by: Elkcollector82 on January 12, 2018, 08:59:39 AM
Where does this fall on the spectrum of the new "Selling GPS coordinates" law that's being passed around in WY?
Might be a loop hole. Instead of selling the gps coordinate. He just selling the whole drainage. :bash:
Post by: Indian Summer on January 12, 2018, 09:41:33 AM
Do you have mule deer plans as well?
Yes! In 2 different regions depending on how many points you have.
Post by: Indian Summer on January 12, 2018, 09:44:36 AM
Just one question, you said Wyoming and Montana. But non res cant even hunt the wilderness in Wyoming without a guide. So you must be talking non wilderness land in wy. Sounds really cool I try and do the same for hunters in wa st. I just dont charge them. lol
Yes they are non wilderness areas. Anyone with exin Wyoming will tell you that there are a million square miles of area offering great hunting that is not wilderness. I do hunt some places designated as Wilderness Study Areas but non residents ate allowed to hunt them without a guide.
Post by: Indian Summer on January 12, 2018, 09:54:05 AM
Where does this fall on the spectrum of the new "Selling GPS coordinates" law that's being passed around in WY?
I used to give some gps coordinates. Mostly of wallows bedding areas and other areas worth checking out. But I no longer do that in light of the bill just to be safe. Right now the bill is just a proposal but I wouldn’t want to give coordinates now that would be used after the bill passes if it does. I don’t believe I would be in violation because I don’t give coordinates of a specific animal. Who does that!!! But when it comes to game laws I don’t take chances. Good question!
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Post by: boneaddict on January 12, 2018, 11:34:22 AM
Cool idea. Its funny I was just talking to my wife about why nobody with the knowledge has done this. I was thinking GPS tagged photos of the "Big Boy" in the area along with the maps to stir excitement. Bone addicts photos came to mind!! Great idea hope it goes well. :tup:It’s been suggested to me, that and finders fees. That’s a new market. I suppose I could make some money, especially when some of the bucks I’m filming get found and shot for free, but no thanks. Good luck in your venture. Welcome as a new sponsor
Post by: Hot Lunch on January 12, 2018, 08:38:03 PM
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Post by: Mr Mykiss on January 13, 2018, 09:01:39 AM
Say OTC Colorado elk, archery, raghorns, just looking for success??
Post by: dscubame on January 13, 2018, 09:13:43 AM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on January 13, 2018, 09:40:42 AM
Am I missing the price sheets somewhere? Selling a product needs a price and I cannot find them.
If the price isn’t listed. Means we can’t afford it. :chuckle:
All kidding aside. Price probably varies. Depends on what the hunter is seeking. One hunter might only want some maps with camp sights marked. Why other hunters want everything under the sun. Probably why the price isn’t listed. :dunno:
Post by: dscubame on January 13, 2018, 09:48:18 AM
Am I missing the price sheets somewhere? Selling a product needs a price and I cannot find them.
If the price isn’t listed. Means we can’t afford it. :chuckle:
All kidding aside. Price probably varies. Depends on what the hunter is seeking. One hunter might only want some maps with camp sights marked. Why other hunters want everything under the sun. Probably why the price isn’t listed. :dunno:
Different pricing for different services and products would be great, fantastic to have options. List the options with prices however. Fishy business tactics I smell.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on January 13, 2018, 10:33:31 AM
Am I missing the price sheets somewhere? Selling a product needs a price and I cannot find them.
If the price isn’t listed. Means we can’t afford it. :chuckle:
All kidding aside. Price probably varies. Depends on what the hunter is seeking. One hunter might only want some maps with camp sights marked. Why other hunters want everything under the sun. Probably why the price isn’t listed. :dunno:
Different pricing for different services and products would be great, fantastic to have options. List the options with prices however. Fishy business tactics I smell.
Least a range of prices. Doesn’t have to be spot on tell you actually sell. But a ballpark range would be nice for those that are interested. But as Mark Cuban would say. “I’m out”
Post by: CaNINE on January 13, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Post by: idaho guy on January 13, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Am I missing the price sheets somewhere? Selling a product needs a price and I cannot find them.
If the price isn’t listed. Means we can’t afford it. :chuckle:
All kidding aside. Price probably varies. Depends on what the hunter is seeking. One hunter might only want some maps with camp sights marked. Why other hunters want everything under the sun. Probably why the price isn’t listed. :dunno:
Different pricing for different services and products would be great, fantastic to have options. List the options with prices however. Fishy business tactics I smell.
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That statement is really ignorant how’s it fishy?
Post by: Mr Mykiss on January 13, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
Post by: Indian Summer on January 14, 2018, 08:52:59 AM
seems like an unsustainable business but probably good while it s lasts for you. interesting to see this type of stuff pop up. inevitably you'll run out of info to sell or sell the same info multiple times. but there's enough people out there looking for a free lunch that I bet you pay for your elk hunts for a while anyway.
Give me a minute to catch up to you guys. I’ll back up and address this comment first. It’s a very smart one! First of all After 3 decades of pursuing elk I have a ton of spots. But yes there is a limit to that number. So I need to continue to aquire new ones. I do this two different ways.
One is by having friends who are still guiding full time. They feed me spots. They will call and say “I got into this new area. It’s loaded with elk but I just can’t get the average client there” They’ll give some details on where they were and what they saw. Then either during the summer or that fall I’ll go out and either camp at the truck, hike in and camp, or ride horses in and basically hunt the area logging everything I see and dropping waypoints on my gps to reference later. I love this method because I already know it’s going to be a good spot and a worthwhile investment of my time.
The other method can be a waste of my time. I do the same thing any out of state hunter might do except that I’m probably more familiar with the nearby area, the habits of the elk, and the amount of hunting pressure during open season. I eye up spots from the road while I’m out doing my own hunting. Then during the off season I sit down and start staring at topo maps and Google Earth. I also use Game Planner maps because I can overlap topos with satellite imagery. Then I put together a hunt plan. When I head out in the fallI go hunt the place. I might day hunt it from the truck or depending on the type of plan I might pack a wall tent camp way in and hunt the back country. I might find elk. I might kill a bull. I might strike out! Sometimes areas that look like they have it all just don’t hold elk for whatever reason. I’ve been in spots where a drainage has good hunting. Another one has great hunting. But the one between those two barely has an elk track in it. In that case I say to myself this is what makes my service worth the money. I help people avoid the realization that the spot they checked out and dreamed about all summer turned out to be worthless. Then I pack up my gear and either go check out another new area.... or I go to the place where I’ve killed bulls before and do my real hunting. I call that method “prospecting” It’s like a gold miner sampling likely looking spots hoping to find some color!
As far as reselling plans here’s how that works: I never sell the same plan to more than one party in the same year. Once a client purchases a plan it is his exclusively for at least 3 years. After three years he should know the lay of the land well enough to have an advantage over any newcomers. All a client has to do is tell me that he is going back each year and I will not resell the plan. You have to realize that not everyone ends up being an elk hunter for life. There are guys who hunt elk one time and scratch it off their list. Next year they are hunting deer in Illinois or doing a hunt in Africa or chasing caribou somewhere. Some just find out that they can’t handle elk hunting physically or they don’t find it to be as fun as seeing 30 deer a day like they do back home. So that plan is back up for grabs. If down the road a group of BOW ONLY HUNTERS calls me and I think a particular plan that was sold three years ago to a party of GUN ONLY HUNTERS I may consider selling them the same plan. But I’ll take the time to contact the bow guys and see if they are still hunting the area first. Some people continue to hunt their spot but don’t let me know that which is why I check first. If they are still hunting the area lots of times they tell me that they’ve expanded well beyond the plan over the adjacent ridges or even coming from a different direction or something so someone who starts at at square one with the original plan would have no effect on them. Very rarely though do I even consider reselling a plan. I don’t have to so far.
Great question and I hope that answers it for you!
Post by: Indian Summer on January 14, 2018, 09:06:31 AM
I suppose there is a niche market for this service. Hopefully the profit margins will make it worth your effort. Does selling information about where to hunt on public land require an outfitters license? Curious how this form of guiding is regulated.
The short answer is no. It is not a form of guiding. First of all in states where guide and outfitter licenses are required a guide cannot freelance. He has to be working for a licensed outfitter. A license is required to provide services for any type of compensation, not just money, on public land. That means directly enabling a hunter by providing a camp, packing them in, packing game out, or obviously accompanying them afield for any reason.
A company who leases horses cannot drop them off at a trailhead or a campsite on National Forest unless they are licensed and have a US Forest Service user permit. A company can rent gear which is common in Alaska where shipping your own up there can be expensive, but they cannot set a camp up for you unless they are licensed. I’ve had clients ask me if I can set a camp for them or show them around for a day and the answer is no. That would be considered guiding or providing a service on public land which requires a license, a user permit, and insurance.
Post by: gasman on January 14, 2018, 09:56:57 AM
I have and do entertain this type of service. Having better success in going to new area or state appeals to me (depending on cist).
A few buddy and I are planning a MT deer hunt this year and doing our home work now and having this as an option is appealing, but it would depend on cost. I understand that the cost verses knowledge can be priceless......
I would like to know a price for services offered, PM me if would :hello:
Post by: Indian Summer on January 14, 2018, 10:00:01 AM
Am I missing the price sheets somewhere? Selling a product needs a price and I cannot find them.
Elkcollector is correct.... the price varies which is why there are no rates on the website. I include the same thing with all plans. A set of topos for each member of your party. They are hand marked with everything you need. The campsite. Perhaps a location for a spike site. Which trails you use to cover some ground to where you’ll hunt. My own personal off trail hunting routes. Wallows if they are around. Places I’ve seen elk bed or feed. Vantage points to glass from. Places you can get a cell signal from if the area is hard to find one in. Anything else worth passing on to help you with your hunt. Also a set of written instructions. Directions to the parking/camp site. A step by step outline on how to effectively hunt the area. A plan B for the days you need to shift gears and give your body a break. I do that because nobody can hunt hard all day every day for 10 or more days. So you need a gameplan to keep hunting instead of just skipping a day. Also other information such as where to get groceries, dry ice, meat processing, horse leasing, taxidermy etc etc. Last but not least unlimited consulting. You can call text or email as much as you want once you receive your plan with any questions you might have. I love talking elk and do whatever it takes to help my clients use their plan to the fullest and kill elk. Their success rate tells me I’ve done a good job too. I’ve been very pleased and even surprised at how well they have done!
My goal is quality and NOT quantity. I don’t care if I only sell 2 or 4 plans a year. I don’t want or need to sell 10 of them every year. When I first started I was overwhelmed with interest. So I set the cost accordingly. If someone agrees that what I have to offer is a good investment they buy a plan. If they don’t then they don’t and that’s fine with me. I think the service is priceless because I started off no different than anyone else and I wish I could have had a place to stick with and call home from day one. I hate unpunched elk tags!!!
Not only is an outfitted hunt expensive but you have to pay every year AND you pay per person. A quality drop camp can run $2000. That’s 4 to 8 grand for 2 or 4 hunters per year. A guided elk hunt can run $3500 to $6000 per man for 2 on 1 or 1 on 1 hunts. My packages range from $2500 to $4000. That’s a one time fee per party meaning you spit the cost with your partners. So it’s about the same as the cost for one guy to go on an outfitted hunt one time. I look at it as an investment not a cost because you can use it as much as you want for as long as you want. You could go bow hunt and gun hunt with friends every year if you want to.
The price doesn’t vary according to the quality of the hunt or the size potential of bulls. It varies according to ease of hunt or logistics. In other words if a plan requires hunters to back pack a camp in or lease horses it is cheaper. Those hunts require more time, some special gear, way more physical effort, and usually more money for the hunters to do. That type of hunt isn’t doable for everyone. Even if it is it’s just not what everyone wants. A hunt where you can camp at your truck and get into elk within a reasonable distance requires less time and effort and the plan is more expensive. Anyone in half decent shape can handle them and the plans require more time to put together to do it right. Those ones also need to be hunted or scouted during open season so I know what the pressure is like and how to avoid other hunters.
I have no problem telling you my rates. Nothing fishy here. I’m confident my clients get what they pay for. And like any good outfitter I’m more than glad.... actually very eager to give you a list of references to talk to so you don’t have to take my word about my services. I’ll tell you that I’ve had guys buy a Wyoming plan and the next year call and say we want to go to Montana. We have no questions at all, you know what we want and what we are capable of. Tell us the price and the check is in the mail tomorrow. Likewise I’ve had clients hunt Montana and say the same thing about giving Wyoming a try. I think that speaks volumes about how satisfied my hunters are.
I think that covers all of the questions and comments to this point. I hope you like what you hear. As you can see I don’t mind taking the time to answer questions and explain things in detail. I’m a detail oriented guy! I’m also an elk hunting fanatic. That’s a good combination for someone who expects to help others find and kill elk right!
Next question? :)
Post by: dscubame on January 14, 2018, 10:32:16 AM
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on January 14, 2018, 12:31:08 PM
I know there are migration routes and other areas the hold Bulls consistently. But there is always other factors that can total blow the Elk out off the area. Fire, Snow, not enough or to much, longer hotter summer than normal burns up all the feed and lets not forget about if predators move in. And how many numbers to a spot, because you and I know you tell one guy he will tell another and so fourth, kinda how Eastman hurt a lot of Eastern Montana Deer spots with all there info and just sent crowds of hunters there. But I guess everyone wants to get in on the social media money. And I wonder how your old permitted outfitter buddy's really feel about you putting more numbers of hunters in there area. lol I do wish you the best in your new business and I am real curious on how it all will play out.
Post by: Indian Summer on January 14, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
I can tell you that last year I had some clients who bought a Montana plan and it turned out there was an active fire come hunting season. They now make great references because I dropped everything to put together an alternate plan for them FOR FREE. Another time I had a client who carried out his plan in Wyoming and even killed a bull but told me he really pushed himself to the limits to get it done. He said he was thinking about the future and really wanted a plan that was less physically demanding. So for a modest fee of $500 I gave him a new one. He was so happy that he turned around and bought a Montana plan and this past season him and his partner went 2 for 2 on nice bulls. There will always be unexpected obstacles in life but as I said I do whatever it takes to give my clients the best chance to achieve their goal.
I never overlap the outfitters I know. If you check out my website you’ll see I book clients for them. I hunt the areas outside the perimeter of where they can get clients from their camps. Places a guide would glass from the limits of where he can drag a flat lander but doesn’t even think about going to try to kill elk. It’s a great source of information for sure and I’m personal friends with those outfitters. On occasion I will still guide for them if they get in a pinch.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on January 14, 2018, 03:08:57 PM
Post by: ian_padron on January 16, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
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Post by: Special T on January 16, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
Man it is just sad to see what hunting is coming to. Everyone is just out to make a quick buck.What you should consider is that there is a thirst for knowledge. Most of us hunters are fairly tight lipped about our spots.
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I talked to a retired HE instructor that discussed starting an educational business for Hunting 101 of specific species. There arnt as many mentors out there as thier used to be. Knowledge can be paid for in Time, or cash. Sadly most of us have more $ than time. It is why I mostly bow hunt deer close to home.
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Post by: Special T on January 16, 2018, 01:38:12 PM
Perhaps you haven't been doing this long enough to know but...
I'm curious if your plans seem to stay more closely held because people have a financial incentive to keep quiet. Vs the usual, I don't live or hunt there anymore so I'll give you some free info.
Interesting business idea, and pretty cool plan as to foster repeat business and expand while not burning any bridges with the sources of info.
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Post by: Netminder01 on January 16, 2018, 02:18:34 PM
Good luck, I'll be paying attention and welcome to the forum!!
Post by: jackelope on January 16, 2018, 04:55:08 PM
Man it is just sad to see what hunting is coming to. Everyone is just out to make a quick buck.
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@ian_padron This is nothing new.
The guy that owns this forum sells trophy maps. Mostly the same thing.
Robby Denning, one of the owners of Rokslide has a business doing this, scouting for people for money.
Eastman's MRS
GoHunt
I'm sure there are more.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 16, 2018, 05:12:47 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 16, 2018, 05:20:01 PM
What stops a guy from coming back to the area after the 3 years are up?
What where did this come from? :dunno:
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 16, 2018, 05:23:07 PM
Man it is just sad to see what hunting is coming to. Everyone is just out to make a quick buck.
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@ian_padron This is nothing new.
The guy that owns this forum sells trophy maps. Mostly the same thing.
Robby Denning, one of the owners of Rokslide has a business doing this, scouting for people for money.
Eastman's MRS
GoHunt
I'm sure there are more.
Personally I would love it if someday it was illegal to get paid for any hunting services whatsoever conducted on public lands, and leave the guiding/info selling/big money stuff on privately owned land. BUT that is just my personal wish, I know many will disagree
Post by: dscubame on January 16, 2018, 05:35:54 PM
Each his own, heck I would even purchase hunt info that contains extreme back country hunt info. 6 - 10 miles into unfamiliar area such information could be well worth it. Partner and I have been kicking this around for a couple years now.
Post by: Special T on January 16, 2018, 06:01:01 PM
That is his guarantee that he won't sell the info more than 2x in a 3 year window.What stops a guy from coming back to the area after the 3 years are up?
What where did this come from? :dunno:
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 16, 2018, 06:27:28 PM
That is his guarantee that he won't sell the info more than 2x in a 3 year window.What stops a guy from coming back to the area after the 3 years are up?
What where did this come from? :dunno:
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A fool and his hunting areas are soon exposed once sold forever. ;)
Post by: Netminder01 on January 16, 2018, 07:30:07 PM
Man it is just sad to see what hunting is coming to. Everyone is just out to make a quick buck.
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@ian_padron This is nothing new.
The guy that owns this forum sells trophy maps. Mostly the same thing.
Robby Denning, one of the owners of Rokslide has a business doing this, scouting for people for money.
Eastman's MRS
GoHunt
I'm sure there are more.
Personally I would love it if someday it was illegal to get paid for any hunting services whatsoever conducted on public lands, and leave the guiding/info selling/big money stuff on privately owned land. BUT that is just my personal wish, I know many will disagree
Do you mean the services and companies that support hunting like clothing or archery equipment or selling maps and coordinates?
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 16, 2018, 07:32:45 PM
What stops a guy from coming back to the area after the 3 years are up?
What where did this come from? :dunno:
He said it's their area to hunt for 3 years on page 1. He won't sell it to anyone else. What stops them from coming back in year 4?
Post by: Bob33 on January 16, 2018, 07:35:46 PM
He already acknowledged nothing.What stops a guy from coming back to the area after the 3 years are up?
What where did this come from? :dunno:
He said it's their area to hunt for 3 years on page 1. He won't sell it to anyone else. What stops them from coming back in year 4?
Once a client purchases a plan it is his exclusively for at least 3 years. After three years he should know the lay of the land well enough to have an advantage over any newcomers.
Post by: dscubame on January 16, 2018, 07:35:54 PM
What stops a guy from coming back to the area after the 3 years are up?
What where did this come from? :dunno:
He said it's their area to hunt for 3 years on page 1. He won't sell it to anyone else. What stops them from coming back in year 4?
Silly. Its obvious what the intended statement is.
Post by: idahohuntr on January 16, 2018, 07:55:27 PM
I certainly think any sort of commercial activity needs close regulation...especially on public lands. All these info services selling maps, coordinates etc. should be no exception. Based on bills already drafted in WY I bet it's a few years at most before this activity is regulated by States.Man it is just sad to see what hunting is coming to. Everyone is just out to make a quick buck.
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@ian_padron This is nothing new.
The guy that owns this forum sells trophy maps. Mostly the same thing.
Robby Denning, one of the owners of Rokslide has a business doing this, scouting for people for money.
Eastman's MRS
GoHunt
I'm sure there are more.
Personally I would love it if someday it was illegal to get paid for any hunting services whatsoever conducted on public lands, and leave the guiding/info selling/big money stuff on privately owned land. BUT that is just my personal wish, I know many will disagree
The other side of the coin...whatever happened to putting in your own effort to figure out a hunt? Such demand for instant success that there is a big enough market for this activity?
Post by: Bob33 on January 16, 2018, 08:07:41 PM
Post by: Special T on January 16, 2018, 08:15:43 PM
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Post by: idahohuntr on January 16, 2018, 08:57:27 PM
Post by: Indian Summer on January 18, 2018, 09:12:14 AM
Man it is just sad to see what hunting is coming to. Everyone is just out to make a quick buck.
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An attorney goes to school for 4 years and makes 6 figures. I’ve spent over 30 years hunting and outfitting for elk for barely 4 figures and that’s “a quick buck”? :dunno::rolleyes:
Post by: Indian Summer on January 18, 2018, 09:16:06 AM
What stops a guy from coming back to the area after the 3 years are up?
As others have already said... I just won’t sell a plan “for at least” 3 years after it is purchased. Even then I try not to sell it to a hunter using the same weapon as the original client. Once a group of hunters buys a plan they can hunt it for life. I would think they would! I’ve been in business for 4 years now and have only resold one plan and I got the ok from the hunter who first bought it. I learned as an outfitter that if you expect to stay in business you best do right by your clients because there’s this thing called the internet! ;)
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 18, 2018, 09:35:15 AM
What stops a guy from coming back to the area after the 3 years are up?
As others have already said... I just won’t sell a plan “for at least” 3 years after it is purchased. Even then I try not to sell it to a hunter using the same weapon as the original client. Once a group of hunters buys a plan they can hunt it for life. I would think they would! I’ve been in business for 4 years now and have only resold one plan and I got the ok from the hunter who first bought it. I learned as an outfitter that if you expect to stay in business you best do right by your clients because there’s this thing called the internet! ;)
Ok got it, I must have interpreted it wrong. This makes more sense.
Post by: jamesfromseattle on January 18, 2018, 10:32:30 AM
For your Wyoming spots, how many points do your areas usually require? I’m thinking about a Wyoming trip in 2019 or 2020 and will have 4 or 5 points. Would love to hear about some experiences from other members on here.
Post by: Indian Summer on January 18, 2018, 03:05:59 PM
Post by: ian_padron on March 23, 2018, 10:35:06 PM
I see pros and cons to both, in some super large Wilderness areas I think you just have to go with a guide if you're not from the area... But in some of the smaller areas yeah I think a decrease in guide pressure would be awesomeMan it is just sad to see what hunting is coming to. Everyone is just out to make a quick buck.
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@ian_padron This is nothing new.
The guy that owns this forum sells trophy maps. Mostly the same thing.
Robby Denning, one of the owners of Rokslide has a business doing this, scouting for people for money.
Eastman's MRS
GoHunt
I'm sure there are more.
Personally I would love it if someday it was illegal to get paid for any hunting services whatsoever conducted on public lands, and leave the guiding/info selling/big money stuff on privately owned land. BUT that is just my personal wish, I know many will disagree
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