Post by: Tjkride on January 21, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 21, 2018, 04:23:59 PM
So I will be picking up my new 2017 Big Horn on Tuesday. Has a 6.7 cummins, crew cab, 6.4 bed. Plenty of room for the dogs and kids and can haul my horse trailers fine. This is my first new vehicle as I always buy things I can wprk on myself. With all this new electronic and exhaust additive did I jump into a world of expensive or since I average 50,000 miles a year and dont idle my trucks much will I be ok? Im still trying to convince myself $56,000.00 was ok to spend and not have heart failure.
If I recall jackelope said idling DEF diesels wasn’t a good idea for long periods.
@jackelope
Post by: RB on January 21, 2018, 04:52:42 PM
I know everyone has an opinion about warranties but i believe they are a good investment. when the time comes purchase an extended warranty to cover the electronics is my :two cents:
Where are you purchasing your truck?
Bought mine at Dave Smith flew over got picked up by them and drove home same day, easiest vehicle deal I have ever done!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 21, 2018, 05:00:28 PM
Post by: Tjkride on January 21, 2018, 05:03:44 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2018, 05:23:14 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 21, 2018, 05:27:25 PM
I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it
I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.
Any truth to this anybody?
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2018, 05:30:19 PM
I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it
I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.
Any truth to this anybody?
Probably a non issue where KF lives. Shops aren’t supposed to work on them if they’ve been deleted. Big fines for the shops.
Post by: dewandgin on January 21, 2018, 05:32:14 PM
I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it
I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.
Any truth to this anybody?
We will not work on a vehicle with altered emissions. To big of fines and to many issues.
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2018, 05:37:31 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2018, 05:37:50 PM
I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it
I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.
Any truth to this anybody?
We will not work on a vehicle with altered emissions. To big of fines and to many issues.
Ditto...
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2018, 05:38:33 PM
So I will be picking up my new 2017 Big Horn on Tuesday. Has a 6.7 cummins, crew cab, 6.4 bed. Plenty of room for the dogs and kids and can haul my horse trailers fine. This is my first new vehicle as I always buy things I can wprk on myself. With all this new electronic and exhaust additive did I jump into a world of expensive or since I average 50,000 miles a year and dont idle my trucks much will I be ok? Im still trying to convince myself $56,000.00 was ok to spend and not have heart failure.
If I recall jackelope said idling DEF diesels wasn’t a good idea for long periods.
@jackelope
It’s not so much the DEF as it is the diesel particular filter and the regen process. We were DPF’ing and regen’ing a while before we had DEF.
Post by: Tjkride on January 21, 2018, 06:22:04 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 21, 2018, 06:33:56 PM
So as long as I actually drive it and keep it full of the exhaust fluid I shouldnt have to many problems? Ive only owned 1st gen 7.3 powerstrokes for diesels. I want this to be the last truck I buy for atleast 20 years with out worry of breaking it for working like it a truck should be worked.:tup: Should be the last human-driveable truck you own !
Post by: Tjkride on January 21, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
Post by: RB on January 21, 2018, 06:58:18 PM
So as long as I actually drive it and keep it full of the exhaust fluid I shouldnt have to many problems? Ive only owned 1st gen 7.3 powerstrokes for diesels. I want this to be the last truck I buy for atleast 20 years with out worry of breaking it for working like it a truck should be worked.:tup: Should be the last human-driveable truck you own !
Drove my last Dodge for 18 years had 260,000 plus miles. I would still own it but needed more room for the family. Even though the fuel economy is not as good, it makes up for it with more features and HORSEPOWER! Good lord it is just like driving a gas rig with how well it responds.
Post by: Timberstalker on January 21, 2018, 07:05:39 PM
I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it
I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.
Any truth to this anybody?
Probably a non issue where KF lives. Shops aren’t supposed to work on them if they’ve been deleted. Big fines for the shops.
Not many non-deleted ones over here, honestly.
Post by: Crunchy on January 21, 2018, 07:08:23 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2018, 07:46:09 PM
This is the intake on a stock CTD, you can see the preheater grids are fully fouled. Ooodles of pictures in the interwebs of soot buildup in newer diesel engines, and not just Dodges.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alacable.com%2Fforsale%2F2008dodge%2F091.jpg&hash=857e85a7799a7d6620592e8c915df6b070ac438a)
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2018, 07:51:54 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2018, 07:55:20 PM
https://www.drivingline.com/articles/egr-diesels-necessary-evil/
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 21, 2018, 08:22:07 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2018, 08:26:43 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2018, 08:31:00 PM
This explains a lot
https://www.drivingline.com/articles/egr-diesels-necessary-evil/
I will discredit the article a little by saying we replace 6.7 powerstroke EGR coolers all. the. time.
Post by: Tjkride on January 21, 2018, 08:39:48 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2018, 09:09:11 PM
We have just as much egr valve issues with gas engines as we do with Diesel engines.
DI engines, I have been thinking about installing a catch can on mine, keep the oil out of the intake
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2018, 09:12:28 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170516%2F35c690ffb4f9c990841247df7cfaf840.jpg&hash=1f7c562d793fe25e19dcd35beb5d4fbd1d9923ce)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170516%2F4f33b53d49d567b2c5c236f41eff0e2b.jpg&hash=af4a04abfe6a3f058ca71ddcf58d85a3b743ef69)
Post by: Mudman on January 21, 2018, 09:18:28 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2018, 09:18:38 PM
http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/parts-accessories/1606-we-bench-test-diesel-egr-cooler-cleaning-solutions/
Post by: Special T on January 21, 2018, 09:20:20 PM
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Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2018, 09:37:45 PM
2016 Colorado duramax diesel at 6,500 miles. It will plug up.That can’t possibly be normal. There’s got to be more to the story.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170516%2F35c690ffb4f9c990841247df7cfaf840.jpg&hash=1f7c562d793fe25e19dcd35beb5d4fbd1d9923ce)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20170516%2F4f33b53d49d567b2c5c236f41eff0e2b.jpg&hash=af4a04abfe6a3f058ca71ddcf58d85a3b743ef69)
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2018, 09:40:52 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 21, 2018, 09:44:56 PM
If you don’t “need” a diesel I don’t see the point in buying one. It seems there’s a crap ton of people who don’t actually need a diesel yet own one anyway. They’re ridiculously expensive to buy and they require maintenance, more expensive oil changes, etc. They’re all hard on front ends too. I think a lot of people just buy them so they can have a cool guy diesel truck. Don’t think they understand what they’re getting into.
:yeah:
dealer tried to sell me a diesel colorado, nope. I already have a cummins at home for any work I got to do, I want a quiet, clean, lightweight, quick to blow warm air gasser
Post by: Tjkride on January 21, 2018, 09:48:37 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 21, 2018, 09:50:03 PM
Solutions to clean them out :chuckle:
http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/parts-accessories/1606-we-bench-test-diesel-egr-cooler-cleaning-solutions/
Be careful with Power Purple it likes to eat paint, don’t ask me how I know. :rolleyes:
But it’s a great degreaser. :tup:
Post by: follow maggie on January 21, 2018, 10:09:23 PM
If you don’t “need” a diesel I don’t see the point in buying one. It seems there’s a crap ton of people who don’t actually need a diesel yet own one anyway. They’re ridiculously expensive to buy and they require maintenance, more expensive oil changes, etc. They’re all hard on front ends too. I think a lot of people just buy them so they can have a cool guy diesel truck. Don’t think they understand what they’re getting into.
Status symbol. People here love to look tough & rugged. Most of the diesel owners I know have never towed anything in their lives, but they move from one diesel rig to the next as soon as they start having troubles from the egr. I for one love my 8.1L big block. To quiet, reliable, pulls anything I want and no egr to mess with.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 21, 2018, 10:17:19 PM
If you don’t “need” a diesel I don’t see the point in buying one. It seems there’s a crap ton of people who don’t actually need a diesel yet own one anyway. They’re ridiculously expensive to buy and they require maintenance, more expensive oil changes, etc. They’re all hard on front ends too. I think a lot of people just buy them so they can have a cool guy diesel truck. Don’t think they understand what they’re getting into.
Status symbol. People here love to look tough & rugged. Most of the diesel owners I know have never towed anything in their lives, but they move from one diesel rig to the next as soon as they start having troubles from the egr. I for one love my 8.1L big block. To quiet, reliable, pulls anything I want and no egr to mess with.
I agree with the status symbol theory.
I bought my new in 2004 knowing I was going to need it in the future, thought it was going to be a large toy hauler, bought our place with acreage later, then later bought our tractor of 8000+ lbs, it could be towed with a 1 ton gasser but not as fun. :chuckle:
Post by: Miles on January 22, 2018, 03:03:06 AM
However, like Jackelope said, you better be ready for an increase in maintenance costs. I do mine all in house and it’s still more than owning a gas rig. The wife has said several times “that truck always needs something done to it”.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on January 22, 2018, 07:13:02 AM
its a 4 door with aftermarket Bumper, air bags, super duty hitch, B&W drop down hitch, Sprayed in Bed liner, Tires and rims, 14" dvd player, up graded stereo, Bull Dog tuner, No bs electronics, roll up windows and manual door locks. Truck flat out walks away from the new ones.. 121000 miles and now my wife wants sell it.
Its in mint condition: $21,500.00 All Im saying I think the older ones are more dependable than the new ones... All WPO stuff is off now.
Post by: Tjkride on January 22, 2018, 08:19:25 AM
Post by: dyhardhuntr on January 22, 2018, 09:04:53 AM
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Post by: Tjkride on January 22, 2018, 09:10:02 AM
Post by: fish vacuum on January 22, 2018, 10:21:57 AM
If you don’t “need” a diesel I don’t see the point in buying one. It seems there’s a crap ton of people who don’t actually need a diesel yet own one anyway. They’re ridiculously expensive to buy and they require maintenance, more expensive oil changes, etc. They’re all hard on front ends too. I think a lot of people just buy them so they can have a cool guy diesel truck. Don’t think they understand what they’re getting into.Ding ding ding!
Post by: KFhunter on January 22, 2018, 10:27:28 AM
The main reason I went new is because of the seats. After getting blown up, if the seat isnt perfect, after 30 minutes or so I cant walk after being in a vehicle. My powerstrokes were plane jane everything with bench seats and I loved them, but now I cant ride in them with out falling out of them later. Im 25 and feel like a broken chevy. (I hate duramax) but I keep working for myself and just have to spend more money for creature comforts I used to hate and think were foolish. If I didnt need a diesel I would have one, the status symbol is too true. I also went new because kids get a diesel with mommy and daddy's money, mod it out, beat the hell out of it and then sell it when problems appear. I dont want any of that.
You don't need to justify to anyone on this forum your purchasing a diesel, and no one is specifically addressing you or saying that you didn't need a diesel, just pointing out that a lot of folks buy them and don't work them properly. I hope you find comfort in your new truck. I just wanted you to know about the smog crap on your truck so you can modify your driving habits to limit the impact from the EGR. Idling, city driving, short drives..but if you're hauling livestock and hay it'll clean out good :tup:
Post by: Tjkride on January 22, 2018, 11:26:36 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 22, 2018, 12:02:04 PM