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Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2018, 02:34:19 PM
Now are these legal in Washington ? Thought I read that shot size has a limit of size 6 I thought. With this being 9 it could be a issue. Am I wrong or was it a old rule
The restriction is the other way, nothing is allowed larger than #4.
• Turkey hunters must use #4 shot or smaller (e.g., #6 shot).
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01972/wdfw01972.pdf
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Post by: kevinlisa06 on March 07, 2018, 07:46:41 PM
TSS makes the sub guages really shine.
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Post by: Wanttohuntmore on March 07, 2018, 09:30:18 PM
Now are these legal in Washington ? Thought I read that shot size has a limit of size 6 I thought. With this being 9 it could be a issue. Am I wrong or was it a old rule
The restriction is the other way, nothing is allowed larger than #4.
• Turkey hunters must use #4 shot or smaller (e.g., #6 shot).
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01972/wdfw01972.pdf
I think Bearpaw is correct, but just read this and it looks like the regs are backwards.
Post by: kevinlisa06 on March 07, 2018, 09:31:05 PM
Anyone had any experience with them at longer ranges? 50+ yards?Not me personally but I’m patterning my 20 this weekend. Will be shooting Apex TSS 9 at 40yards.
https://www.facebook.com/apexammuntion/
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Post by: cryder on March 08, 2018, 05:46:06 AM
Post by: Stein on March 08, 2018, 05:47:42 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on March 08, 2018, 05:55:58 AM
Now are these legal in Washington ? Thought I read that shot size has a limit of size 6 I thought. With this being 9 it could be a issue. Am I wrong or was it a old rule
The restriction is the other way, nothing is allowed larger than #4.
• Turkey hunters must use #4 shot or smaller (e.g., #6 shot).
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01972/wdfw01972.pdf
I think Bearpaw is correct, but just read this and it looks like the regs are backwards.
Overlooking the "other than" part of the regs. "It is illegal to use a weapon other than a shotgun shooting #4 or smaller shot..."
Other states allow rifles, pistols and maybe even large shot. I know in Texas, there are a lot of turkeys taken with a rifle.
Post by: bearpaw on March 13, 2018, 11:18:34 PM
Now are these legal in Washington ? Thought I read that shot size has a limit of size 6 I thought. With this being 9 it could be a issue. Am I wrong or was it a old rule
The restriction is the other way, nothing is allowed larger than #4.
• Turkey hunters must use #4 shot or smaller (e.g., #6 shot).
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01972/wdfw01972.pdf
I think Bearpaw is correct, but just read this and it looks like the regs are backwards.
They said it correctly, it says "Illegal other than shotguns with #4 or smaller shot", that means #4 or smaller is legal.
Ya I know, we almost have to be Philly Lawyers to understand this stuff...
Post by: kevinlisa06 on March 14, 2018, 08:32:01 PM
4 shot and smaller, been that way for years.Now are these legal in Washington ? Thought I read that shot size has a limit of size 6 I thought. With this being 9 it could be a issue. Am I wrong or was it a old rule
The restriction is the other way, nothing is allowed larger than #4.
• Turkey hunters must use #4 shot or smaller (e.g., #6 shot).
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01972/wdfw01972.pdf
I think Bearpaw is correct, but just read this and it looks like the regs are backwards.
They said it correctly, it says "Illegal other than shotguns with #4 or smaller shot", that means #4 or smaller is legal.
Ya I know, we almost have to be Philly Lawyers to understand this stuff...
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Post by: Stein on March 19, 2018, 10:05:29 AM
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Post by: Bill W on March 26, 2018, 12:50:47 PM
Anyways I didn't find any. If I did I'd pattern them and use them.
Post by: kevinlisa06 on March 27, 2018, 12:52:09 PM
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today. I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5. Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads. Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same. It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.
Anyways I didn't find any. If I did I'd pattern them and use them.
Good luck finding it, most places are sold out
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Post by: bearpaw on March 27, 2018, 08:28:46 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 28, 2018, 09:38:15 AM
https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=131506
I couldn't get their website cart to work, you have to call them to order: 1-502-348-3594
Post by: Remnar on March 28, 2018, 10:03:07 AM
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today. I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5. Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads. Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same. It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.
Anyways I didn't find any. If I did I'd pattern them and use them.
Are they denser than lead ? Space occupied ...
Post by: bearpaw on March 28, 2018, 10:35:22 AM
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today. I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5. Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads. Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same. It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.
Anyways I didn't find any. If I did I'd pattern them and use them.
Are they denser than lead ? Space occupied ...
https://www.range365.com/new-turkey-shells-from-federal-premium#page-5
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Yes, the old HEAVYWEIGHT loads are gone, so here’s a bit about the TSS, or Tungsten Super Shot, which is already a part of Federal’s 3rd Degree loads introduced in the past few years.
Federal says the TSS shot is more than 20 percent denser than its previous HeaveyWeight shot, which has a density of about 15 grams per cm3. Additionally, tungsten is 56 percent denser than lead.
“TSS is an allow comprised primarily of tungsten. It has a density of 18 grams per cubic centimeter and is harder than steel. The increased density retains velocity, and the hardness prevents pellet deformation, which improves pattern efficiency and penetration.”
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Federal says a No. 9 HEAVYWEIGHT TSS pellet carries at least as much penetration energy as a No. 5 lead pellet at all ranges.
That means you can up the pellet count, without making the hull longer, which in turn leads to better pattern density.
A 13/16-ounce load of No. 9 TSS has about 295 pellets, and a 1-1/8-ounce load carries about 408 pellets. A 2-ounce load of No. 4 lead only has about 270 pellets. That’s a significant difference.
Here are some more eye-popping numbers:
A 1-1/2-ounce load of No. 7 TSS has 282 pellets
A 1-3/4-ounce load has 330 pellets
A 2-1/4-ounce lod has 423 pellets
With No.9 TSS shot, a 1-3/-ounce load has 635 pellets, and a 2-1/4-ounce load has a staggering 814 pellets.
Post by: kevinlisa06 on March 28, 2018, 12:50:42 PM
The companies that load it areI was looking for some of this at the local SW today. I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5. Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads. Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same. It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.
Anyways I didn't find any. If I did I'd pattern them and use them.
Are they denser than lead ? Space occupied ...
https://www.range365.com/new-turkey-shells-from-federal-premium#page-5QuoteYes, the old HEAVYWEIGHT loads are gone, so here’s a bit about the TSS, or Tungsten Super Shot, which is already a part of Federal’s 3rd Degree loads introduced in the past few years.
Federal says the TSS shot is more than 20 percent denser than its previous HeaveyWeight shot, which has a density of about 15 grams per cm3. Additionally, tungsten is 56 percent denser than lead.
“TSS is an allow comprised primarily of tungsten. It has a density of 18 grams per cubic centimeter and is harder than steel. The increased density retains velocity, and the hardness prevents pellet deformation, which improves pattern efficiency and penetration.”QuoteFederal says a No. 9 HEAVYWEIGHT TSS pellet carries at least as much penetration energy as a No. 5 lead pellet at all ranges.
That means you can up the pellet count, without making the hull longer, which in turn leads to better pattern density.
A 13/16-ounce load of No. 9 TSS has about 295 pellets, and a 1-1/8-ounce load carries about 408 pellets. A 2-ounce load of No. 4 lead only has about 270 pellets. That’s a significant difference.
Here are some more eye-popping numbers:
A 1-1/2-ounce load of No. 7 TSS has 282 pellets
A 1-3/4-ounce load has 330 pellets
A 2-1/4-ounce lod has 423 pellets
With No.9 TSS shot, a 1-3/-ounce load has 635 pellets, and a 2-1/4-ounce load has a staggering 814 pellets.
Apex
Nitro
Federal
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Post by: bearpaw on March 28, 2018, 04:09:19 PM
Post by: Stein on March 28, 2018, 05:06:23 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on March 28, 2018, 06:59:56 PM
I was looking for some of this at the local SW today. I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5. Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads. Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same. It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.
Anyways I didn't find any. If I did I'd pattern them and use them.
Not
I found out there are three companies loading tss, Federal and two lesser known companies. Almost everyone is sold out, I found one company in Kentucky that has a new shipment in of federal 3" #9. It costs about $10 per round! :yike:
https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=131506
I couldn't get their website cart to work, you have to call them to order: 1-502-348-3594
The shot alone is running about $3.10/oz. for handloaders. For my 20 gauge, I can roll 1-1/2 oz loads @ 4.80/ea. or 1-5/8 oz @ $5.25 and they're on my shelf :)
Post by: Remnar on March 28, 2018, 07:46:06 PM
The companies that load it areI was looking for some of this at the local SW today. I heard the TSS #9 pellets had the same weight as a lead #5. Also heard about increased pellet numbers over the standard lead loads. Maybe I didn't pay attention in my math classes but if a #9 pellet weighs the same a #5 lead pellet then the pellet count in a 2 oz load should be the same. It's like someone holding out a bag of feathers and a block of lead and asking which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers.
Anyways I didn't find any. If I did I'd pattern them and use them.
Are they denser than lead ? Space occupied ...
https://www.range365.com/new-turkey-shells-from-federal-premium#page-5QuoteYes, the old HEAVYWEIGHT loads are gone, so here’s a bit about the TSS, or Tungsten Super Shot, which is already a part of Federal’s 3rd Degree loads introduced in the past few years.
Federal says the TSS shot is more than 20 percent denser than its previous HeaveyWeight shot, which has a density of about 15 grams per cm3. Additionally, tungsten is 56 percent denser than lead.
“TSS is an allow comprised primarily of tungsten. It has a density of 18 grams per cubic centimeter and is harder than steel. The increased density retains velocity, and the hardness prevents pellet deformation, which improves pattern efficiency and penetration.”QuoteFederal says a No. 9 HEAVYWEIGHT TSS pellet carries at least as much penetration energy as a No. 5 lead pellet at all ranges.
That means you can up the pellet count, without making the hull longer, which in turn leads to better pattern density.
A 13/16-ounce load of No. 9 TSS has about 295 pellets, and a 1-1/8-ounce load carries about 408 pellets. A 2-ounce load of No. 4 lead only has about 270 pellets. That’s a significant difference.
Here are some more eye-popping numbers:
A 1-1/2-ounce load of No. 7 TSS has 282 pellets
A 1-3/4-ounce load has 330 pellets
A 2-1/4-ounce lod has 423 pellets
With No.9 TSS shot, a 1-3/-ounce load has 635 pellets, and a 2-1/4-ounce load has a staggering 814 pellets.
Apex
Nitro
Federal
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I get it, that was my point originally . Thanks for all the info though .
Post by: kevinlisa06 on March 31, 2018, 06:15:59 PM
Finally showed up now to pattern them in the morning
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Post by: kevinlisa06 on May 21, 2018, 07:10:50 PM
60 yard +/- coyote with TSS #6 this morning. Would measure it off exact but he was standing in a mowed field. Large male, first round knocked him over, second round up the tail pipe as he was adding yardage fast. Guessing the second shot was 75 yards. He made the tree line and ran out of gas. That's an RSI-25 recipe. 1-5/16 oz moving at 1,400 fps out of my "truck gun". A 12 gauge Ruger Red Label with Carlsons "close range" and Imp. Cylinder chokes in it.Nicely done on the yote!
Yeah I got a bird shooting TSS 9 this year with a 1 5/8 oz load dropping down to a 3/4 oz load for next season with the 20ga. Going to get the wife outfitted with TSS for next season shooting either a 1 1/2 oz or 1 1/4 oz of 9’s. Thinking on possibly starting to reload for the TSS for next season. What are you paying per pound, I can get 9’s for $52/lb
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Post by: huntingfool7 on May 21, 2018, 09:56:21 PM
I don't shoot a bunch of it but I don't think twice about letting the stuff go when something needs whacking. I have a couple shell holders in 20 and 12 that have TSS in the bands. #3 is like having 100 pellet count buckshot loads. The stuff is wicked good.
Post by: kevinlisa06 on May 22, 2018, 05:44:35 PM
I have never reloaded shot shells before. But thinking I may want to start, you roll crimping or stars?
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Post by: huntingfool7 on May 23, 2018, 03:34:06 AM
A lot of the recipes call for roll crimps. If the data specifies roll crimps, star crimping will increase pressures. If the recipe specifies star crimps, roll crimping will lower pressure. Precision roll crimpers are supposed to be superior to the BPI product.
I'm going to be ordering more shot this year. Most of the TSS I'm shooting is size #6 and that bottle is almost empty. #6 is really too big for turkeys but noone else but 8) turkey hunters understand the need for TSS. Y'all are special :chuckle:
Hal last quoted me $53 for one pound delivered to my zip code. There is an additional premium on 9-1/2, 10 and 11 sized shot.
If you bump the quantity up, the price per pound goes down.
Post by: kevinlisa06 on May 23, 2018, 07:05:38 PM
I can roll crimp 20, 12 & 10 gauge. I have 600jrs for everything but 16.Honestly I’m there with ya on the 9 shot being the perfect size. I need to get my 20ga completely set up for next season. Plus get the wife’s 12ga set up as well with TSS and maybe put the Red Dot on it.
A lot of the recipes call for roll crimps. If the data specifies roll crimps, star crimping will increase pressures. If the recipe specifies star crimps, roll crimping will lower pressure. Precision roll crimpers are supposed to be superior to the BPI product.
I'm going to be ordering more shot this year. Most of the TSS I'm shooting is size #6 and that bottle is almost empty. #6 is really too big for turkeys but noone else but 8) turkey hunters understand the need for TSS. Y'all are special :chuckle:
Hal last quoted me $53 for one pound delivered to my zip code. There is an additional premium on 9-1/2, 10 and 11 sized shot.
If you bump the quantity up, the price per pound goes down.
Looking at getting an Indian Creek choke tube for the 20 then possibly her 12ga also.
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Post by: idaho guy on May 23, 2018, 08:34:01 PM
I dropped a bunch of loot on several different shells to pattern for my son. By far, the best pattern was Winchester XR Longbeards which also happen to be half the cost of most of the premium loads and that's just fine for me.
How did they work on live birds? I had some for my son this year and they patterned well but he shot one bird that ran away it was probably at his max range then he shot another one at 15 yards max and it was running hard too he shot it again right away. Anyways he go his two birds with it but i was not real impressed with the actual knock down power. He shoots a 20 gauge.