Post by: wolfbait on March 01, 2018, 05:28:19 PM
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/wolves-kill-bears-den-hunters-make-grisly-discovery/
Heard about this some years ago happening in Alberta where wolves are plentiful, Wolves getting grizzlies out of their dens in the winter time.
Post by: dreamunelk on March 01, 2018, 06:52:00 PM
Post by: Axle on March 01, 2018, 07:59:39 PM
I wonder what the trichinae will do to the wolves....
Probably just make them more mad than they already are.
Post by: nwwanderer on March 02, 2018, 07:52:07 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 02, 2018, 09:50:32 AM
Male black bear will run a sow out of her den and kill/ eat the cubs. Been documented in Washington.
Black bears are actually the top predator for black bears.
Post by: Cougartail on March 06, 2018, 10:02:33 AM
Male black bear will run a sow out of her den and kill/ eat the cubs. Been documented in Washington.
Black bears are actually the top predator for black bears.
A study done in Alaska claims that for every bear a hunter kills 33.4 bears are killed by other bears. Trophy hunting is causing the high number of bears now in Alaska due to the killing off of large bears.
Post by: idaho guy on March 06, 2018, 11:48:13 AM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 07, 2018, 11:35:38 PM
Post by: Cougartail on March 08, 2018, 08:39:56 AM
I'm sending a donation and commenting on the proposal today. So no more blowing smoke and let's see some action! (You especially Wolfbait.)
I'll be watching.. and seeing who just like to whine.
Post by: pashok23 on March 08, 2018, 10:12:22 AM
Post by: elkboy on March 08, 2018, 10:47:50 AM
Interesting paper for you all- Kunkel and Mech (1994)- study of tagged fawns in Minnesota- wolves and black bears shared 50/50 responsibility for white-tailed fawn mortality, and were the sole source of fawn mortality (at least in that study).
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdf/10.1139/z94-207
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 08, 2018, 12:00:46 PM
Post by: idaho guy on March 08, 2018, 12:09:27 PM
Ok all you "wlf haters".. You talk a lot of smack on here but now it's time to put up.. The Idaho Trappers Association needs financial help and comments on proposed lengthening of wolf seasons. Idaho wolfves will eventually become Washington wolves if numbers increase.
I'm sending a donation and commenting on the proposal today. So no more blowing smoke and let's see some action! (You especially Wolfbait.)
I'll be watching.. and seeing who just like to whine.
:tup: putting out wolf traps this Sunday or Monday! only have a few weeks left where is the proposal for comment?
Post by: wolfbait on March 11, 2018, 08:59:44 AM
Ok all you "wlf haters".. You talk a lot of smack on here but now it's time to put up.. The Idaho Trappers Association needs financial help and comments on proposed lengthening of wolf seasons. Idaho wolfves will eventually become Washington wolves if numbers increase.
I'm sending a donation and commenting on the proposal today. So no more blowing smoke and let's see some action! (You especially Wolfbait.)
I'll be watching.. and seeing who just like to whine.
At this point a few more wolves trapped in Idaho will make no difference in WA, WA is now thoroughly infested with wolves. Trapping and hunting combine will not control wolf populations, so if you really want to help Idaho etc. campaign for more areal gunning or poison baits in areas where wolves are decimating the game herds etc.. Look at Alaska as an example of wolf control efforts.
Ok all you "wlf haters".. You talk a lot of smack on here but now it's time to put up.. The Idaho Trappers Association needs financial help and comments on proposed lengthening of wolf seasons. Idaho wolfves will eventually become Washington wolves if numbers increase.
I'm sending a donation and commenting on the proposal today. So no more blowing smoke and let's see some action! (You especially Wolfbait.)
I'll be watching.. and seeing who just like to whine.
:tup: putting out wolf traps this Sunday or Monday! only have a few weeks left where is the proposal for comment?
Post by: Cougartail on March 12, 2018, 09:07:28 AM
Anybody who doesn't think that a high population of wolves in one state isn't going to effect neighboring states doesn't know spit about them. They move with the availibility of food sources. Often times hundreds of miles and in conflict with other packs of wolves.
Post by: idaho guy on March 12, 2018, 10:31:51 AM
Look at Alaska.. More wolves are killed by trappers/hunters than aerial shooting by far. Aerial shooting was designed as a supplemental measure in certain areas only. In one unit (19 I believe?) It had no measurable results as it was bears not wolves that were causing high mortallity rates on moose.
Anybody who doesn't think that a high population of wolves in one state isn't going to effect neighboring states doesn't know spit about them. They move with the availibility of food sources. Often times hundreds of miles and in conflict with other packs of wolves.
where do we comment or post support on the longer trapping season in Idaho?
Post by: wolfbait on March 12, 2018, 10:43:48 AM
Look at Alaska.. More wolves are killed by trappers/hunters than aerial shooting by far. Aerial shooting was designed as a supplemental measure in certain areas only. In one unit (19 I believe?) It had no measurable results as it was bears not wolves that were causing high mortallity rates on moose.
Anybody who doesn't think that a high population of wolves in one state isn't going to effect neighboring states doesn't know spit about them. They move with the availibility of food sources. Often times hundreds of miles and in conflict with other packs of wolves.
I would be more concerned about WA wolves moving into Idaho etc., remember it took only 6-7 years for ID,MT and Wyoming to be eligible to delist, WA has had next to zero wolf control for the 16 years, by WDFW own say wolves started "migrating" to WA in 2002.
Interesting point on wolf movements, is until the USFWS moved wolves into the lower 48 there were very few, what cause the change that wolves start moving great distances? Years back a WDFW game warden said that the "lookout pack" came from Minnesota. The USWFS had to build pens in the Yellowstone to keep the wolves from going back to their home territory. I would be more incline to believe that wolves eat their way out, not jump hundreds of miles through an excellent prey base to some designated area they dreamed up.
What makes more since to the reason behind wolves moving great distance is they are trying to get back to their home territory after being hard released.
Talking to people in ID, and Montana some years ago, they said they could actually watch the wolves eat their way out as they expanded. I know the USFWS etc. claim that wolf packs don't share a lot of the same county, that has been proven to be false over time, I believe it was in Wyoming that packs actually joined to form bigger packs.
It's taken several years to debunk the lies of the USFWS and it is still happening today. In Alaska and Alberta it is well noted that trapping and open season hunting will not control wolves. I talk to a guy a few years ago who was trapping wolves in Idaho, he said the first year wolves were pretty dumb to the traps and he did real well, the second year they were starting to smarten up and catching was harder by the third year he said he it was even harder. I highly doubt that trapping in Idaho is going to make any difference to WA. I think you are forgetting that WDFW refuse to confirm wolf packs unless they are forced to, you look at H-W wolf reports and start counting and then look at WDFW's numbers. WA ululates are being decimated before our eyes and it doesn't appear as if there is much of a push to do anything.
Post by: idaho guy on March 12, 2018, 11:15:41 AM
Look at Alaska.. More wolves are killed by trappers/hunters than aerial shooting by far. Aerial shooting was designed as a supplemental measure in certain areas only. In one unit (19 I believe?) It had no measurable results as it was bears not wolves that were causing high mortallity rates on moose.
Anybody who doesn't think that a high population of wolves in one state isn't going to effect neighboring states doesn't know spit about them. They move with the availibility of food sources. Often times hundreds of miles and in conflict with other packs of wolves.
I would be more concerned about WA wolves moving into Idaho etc., remember it took only 6-7 years for ID,MT and Wyoming to be eligible to delist, WA has had next to zero wolf control for the 16 years, by WDFW own say wolves started "migrating" to WA in 2002.
Interesting point on wolf movements, is until the USFWS moved wolves into the lower 48 there were very few, what cause the change that wolves start moving great distances? Years back a WDFW game warden said that the "lookout pack" came from Minnesota. The USWFS had to build pens in the Yellowstone to keep the wolves from going back to their home territory. I would be more incline to believe that wolves eat their way out, not jump hundreds of miles through an excellent prey base to some designated area they dreamed up.
What makes more since to the reason behind wolves moving great distance is they are trying to get back to their home territory after being hard released.
Talking to people in ID, and Montana some years ago, they said they could actually watch the wolves eat their way out as they expanded. I know the USFWS etc. claim that wolf packs don't share a lot of the same county, that has been proven to be false over time, I believe it was in Wyoming that packs actually joined to form bigger packs.
It's taken several years to debunk the lies of the USFWS and it is still happening today. In Alaska and Alberta it is well noted that trapping and open season hunting will not control wolves. I talk to a guy a few years ago who was trapping wolves in Idaho, he said the first year wolves were pretty dumb to the traps and he did real well, the second year they were starting to smarten up and catching was harder by the third year he said he it was even harder. I highly doubt that trapping in Idaho is going to make any difference to WA. I think you are forgetting that WDFW refuse to confirm wolf packs unless they are forced to, you look at H-W wolf reports and start counting and then look at WDFW's numbers. WA ululates are being decimated before our eyes and it doesn't appear as if there is much of a push to do anything.
Amen brother! Keep fighting the good fight I think its funny how people still want to believe the lies when proof to the contrary is happening right in front of us. Maybe too many people spend more time reading about wolf "science and biology" and not enough time observing it and actually spending time in the woods.
Post by: idaho guy on March 12, 2018, 11:21:36 AM
Post by: wolfbait on March 12, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
https://www.foundationforwildlifemanagement.org/what-we-do