Post by: cavemann on March 07, 2018, 09:53:34 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 07, 2018, 09:55:23 AM
15yr old jeeep with 135k+ miles seems like a bad idea??
Yes. And it's twice as bad of an idea if it's anything but a wrangler.
Post by: h20hunter on March 07, 2018, 10:01:59 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 07, 2018, 10:04:28 AM
My daughter got a Jeep Liberty. She loves it.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 07, 2018, 10:06:35 AM
Yes, and with respect, I'll tell you why. Also, I have a daughter as well. Pretty girls in Jeeps draw the guys like a neon beer sign in the middle of a desert. Get her a nice drab volvo and refuse to allow her to date.
:chuckle:
Price seems on the high side for a Wrangler, unless there is a lot of custom work, which screams trail-abused. I'd err on the side of stock, ensure the maintenance is up to date, and prepare to repair, as I don't get the notion that the powertrain is known for longevity.
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2018, 10:10:08 AM
I'd only buy a Wrangler or a Cherokee and only with a 4.0 inline 6 cyl. Don't buy a money pit Grand Cherokee and don't buy anything 4 cylinder.
Liberty was also a decent vehicle. Just don't buy a Grand Cherokee or a 4 cylinder Wrangler.
With that said, I drive a 2006 Grand Cherokee every day. It's just a v6 and it's got 165k miles on it. Bought it for my wife with 10k miles on it in 2007. It's been a great car. I've just seen the opposite side of that spectrum and wouldn't recommend rolling the dice. I think the 3.7 is a more reliable and more trouble free engine than the 4.7 v8 or the Hemi.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 07, 2018, 10:10:44 AM
Post by: Alchase on March 07, 2018, 10:17:57 AM
It is everything else on it that will kill your pocket book, LOL
Rear mains seals, cooling systems, Vacuum system causing Oil blow-by issues. Wiper motor linkages, Plastic tops being sliced, etc...
Post by: netcoyote on March 07, 2018, 10:47:24 AM
BTW, I'm a Jeep owner...
Post by: timberfaller on March 07, 2018, 10:54:07 AM
I have a 92 Wrangler, great rig, paid $6000 for it with 115,000 miles on it 8 years ago. Best purchase of a gas rig I've ever made.
Next question is WHAT jeep rig is she looking for?
There is a new demand for the Cherokee models around here at least(price going up on the old good ones). And like all rigs they have certain "maintenance" issues.
4 cylinder engines get a little better mpg but the inline 6 has more power.
135,000 on a 15 year old jeep will depend on WHO and HOW it was driven! My jeep I found in Portland, second owner had it only a year, first owner never used the four wheel drive or off road! Of course though I had been looking for almost 2 years! :yike: before I found it.
Post by: Stein on March 07, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
With my Jeeps, they all have had solid drive trains. I had one with a 2.5 the others were all 4.0 HOs.
It is everything else on it that will kill your pocket book, LOL
Rear mains seals, cooling systems, Vacuum system causing Oil blow-by issues. Wiper motor linkages, Plastic tops being sliced, etc...
My daughter just started looking. Jeeps of all varieties are on the Dad Veto List for the above reason as well as the one mentioned by h2ohunter.
Post by: Scvette on March 07, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on March 07, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
Yes, and with respect, I'll tell you why. Also, I have a daughter as well. Pretty girls in Jeeps draw the guys like a neon beer sign in the middle of a desert. Get her a nice drab volvo and refuse to allow her to date.
:yeah: my stepdaughter wanted a jeep and because of the above statement I declined and got her a truck. Which wasn't all that difference in comparison to the above statement. :bdid:
There's something about a pretty female driving a 4wd vehicle that's alluring, much like a fly to neon fly zapper, mesmerizing. :chuckle:
Post by: gaddy on March 07, 2018, 12:57:35 PM
Post by: jackson7 on March 07, 2018, 01:58:52 PM
Personally I will not buy anything w over 100,000 miles, unless owned by a friend with a discounted price.
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 07, 2018, 02:35:13 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 07, 2018, 02:38:18 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 07, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 07, 2018, 02:59:39 PM
With that being said.....a jeep for a first car scares the living bagggeeeebers out of me. I have seen jeeps (wrangler specific) in accidents and they are do not hold up well. A first time driver should be in an automobile that has good crash ratings.....just my 2 cents. I own a 2000 Jeep Wrangler with 130,000 miles and it starts and runs very well. I would not and will not give it to my children for a daily commuter if they spend much time on highways. In town or in the hills they work great.
Post by: huntnfmly on March 07, 2018, 03:04:42 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 07, 2018, 03:10:24 PM
Post by: tlbradford on March 07, 2018, 03:22:45 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2018, 03:35:22 PM
Early 90's inline 6 Jeeps had major giant PITA fuel system issues. Can't recall if it was a 4.0 or a 4.2? with these issues.
Wrangler/Cherokee/GRand Cherokee:
4.0L rear main seals leak. A lot.
4.0L exhaust manifolds crack. A lot.
93-04 Grand Cherokee differential bearings fail. A lot.
99-04 grand Cherokee with the dual zone climate control had heater box issues a lot. It causes no heat or no a/c or no air flow on one side or the other.
4.7 h.o.(engine code 1 I think on the VIN) cylinder heads crack. If I remember correctly it sets a #1 cylinder misfire.
99-04 grand Cherokee's warp front brake rotors like they're going out of style.
The 2007 and newer Wrangler had major, mostly unrepairable water leaks with the hard tops. The soft tops sealed better.
I left Jeep for the most part in the late 2000's so not too familiar on whatever issues the newer style Grand Cherokees have.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff.
I'd look real hard for a 2001 Cherokee with as low a miles as possible. That could be a pretty good vehicle.
Post by: tlbradford on March 07, 2018, 03:49:09 PM
99-04 grand Cherokee with the dual zone climate control had heater box issues a lot. It causes no heat or no a/c or no air flow on one side or the other.
99-04 grand Cherokee's warp front brake rotors like they're going out of style.
I'd look real hard for a 2001 Cherokee with as low a miles as possible. That could be a pretty good vehicle.
The dual zone crap drove me crazy, but there are some work-arounds until the heater core finally fails. The blower fan has a part that burns out and needs to get resoldered. Easy fix. The blower doors were too heavy and would not function. You could cut them out and replace with a lighter one. Huge pain in the butt, but cost $20 in materials rather than a $2,000 repair. Those fixes lasted me 5 years until the heater core leaked when the vehicle was 16 years old and around 160,000 miles. The warped rotor issue with the brakes was taken care of by warranty. I didn't have problems after that, but would defer to Josh's knowledge. I had started to have a variety of small issues on mine. Power window motors, heated seats getting too hot, electrical problems. I also was told the 4.7 is known for warped rings.
Post by: Bofire on March 07, 2018, 03:52:23 PM
Carl
Post by: Scvette on March 07, 2018, 04:00:03 PM
A TJ with that mileage is low....especially if it is the manual transmission with inline 6.
With that being said.....a jeep for a first car scares the living bagggeeeebers out of me. I have seen jeeps (wrangler specific) in accidents and they are do not hold up well. A first time driver should be in an automobile that has good crash ratings.....just my 2 cents. I own a 2000 Jeep Wrangler with 130,000 miles and it starts and runs very well. I would not and will not give it to my children for a daily commuter if they spend much time on highways. In town or in the hills they work great.
Here's my daughters 04 TJ that a older guy in a 3/4t dodge pulled the wrong way on a one way,she was doing about 30-35,it held up well,other than being totaled.
Post by: Scvette on March 07, 2018, 04:02:11 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 07, 2018, 04:05:26 PM
Post by: papisjeep on March 07, 2018, 04:14:55 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on March 07, 2018, 04:50:43 PM
Post by: cavemann on March 08, 2018, 11:06:30 AM
For those talking about 4runners for sale, I'm all ears!!
Post by: 92xj on March 08, 2018, 11:10:02 AM
This task will help your lean towards the no.
Post by: L8NITE on March 08, 2018, 11:18:53 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 08, 2018, 11:23:01 AM
You'll pay a premium for that over a similar age/mileage Wrangler, I would guess (been some time since I looked at them). And you would still want to have the major maintenance looked over and done, as with any used vehicle.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 08, 2018, 11:56:16 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2018, 12:00:25 PM
Have her find a 96 Wrangler. If she can, buy it.
This task will help your lean towards the no.
Wow...
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 08, 2018, 12:07:48 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on March 08, 2018, 12:19:46 PM
Post by: 92xj on March 08, 2018, 12:25:36 PM
Have her find a 96 Wrangler. If she can, buy it.
This task will help your lean towards the no.
Wow...
I can't figure out your wow?
Agreement? Sarcasm? Get what I was getting at?
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2018, 12:26:45 PM
Have her find a 96 Wrangler. If she can, buy it.
This task will help your lean towards the no.
Wow...
I can't figure out your wow?
Agreement? Sarcasm? Get what I was getting at?
The challenge you set forth finding a 96 Wrangler.
(There's no such thing)
I'd definitely buy it if you can find one.
Post by: 92xj on March 08, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
Have her find a 96 Wrangler. If she can, buy it.
This task will help your lean towards the no.
Wow...
I can't figure out your wow?
Agreement? Sarcasm? Get what I was getting at?
The challenge you set forth finding a 96 Wrangler.
(There's no such thing)
:chuckle:
It's the perfect solution for him if he doesn't want to be the big bad mean dad by saying "no".
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2018, 09:55:48 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 09, 2018, 01:36:56 AM
A TJ with that mileage is low....especially if it is the manual transmission with inline 6.
With that being said.....a jeep for a first car scares the living bagggeeeebers out of me. I have seen jeeps (wrangler specific) in accidents and they are do not hold up well. A first time driver should be in an automobile that has good crash ratings.....just my 2 cents. I own a 2000 Jeep Wrangler with 130,000 miles and it starts and runs very well. I would not and will not give it to my children for a daily commuter if they spend much time on highways. In town or in the hills they work great.
Here's my daughters 04 TJ that a older guy in a 3/4t dodge pulled the wrong way on a one way,she was doing about 30-35,it held up well,other than being totaled.
:'(
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 09, 2018, 01:38:39 AM
Post by: Turdle on March 10, 2018, 11:15:42 PM
Just
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With that out of the way, I have owned several. Still love em. Jeep cheroke 4.0 inline, select tract. Not really afraid og the grands either, long as its 4.0
Lots of parts available..
Post by: kball4 on March 13, 2018, 06:35:17 AM
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Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2018, 12:24:23 AM
Except nobody says hey you know whats fun riding in a 4runner or KIA. What is fun is owning and driving a Jeep Wrangler. I have had mine since I was 15 now 28. Never had problems in ice or snow, never felt like it was gonna tip over, and I've taken that thing places almost no other street legal car could go. Also if she is a terrible parker the short wheel base makes it easy to park and get in and out of tight spots.
:yeah: Good points although I don't know if I'd want my daughter having TOO much fun on the road at 16! :chuckle: :twocents: