Post by: HoofsandWings on March 07, 2018, 11:18:05 AM
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/
March 7, 2018
Contact: Ross Huffman, WDFW, 509-457-9313
Joe Smith, DNR, 509-925-8510
Southcentral "green dot" road management
public meeting scheduled March 22 in Selah
YAKIMA -- The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and the Washington Department of Natural Resources (DNR) will host a public meeting on Thursday, March 22, in Selah about changes to "green dot" road management in southcentral Washington.
Both agencies will provide information and take public comments on updates and proposed changes at the meeting, which will run from 6 to 8 p.m. in the Senior Room of the Selah Civic Center, 216 S. 1st St., in Selah.
The green dot road management system marks roads in Yakima and Kittitas counties that are open to public motorized vehicle use. Marked with a round green reflector on a white route marker, these roads provide access to camping, hunting, off-road vehicle riding and other recreational activities.
Proposed changes include the addition of green dot roads on the Quilomene and Whiskey Dick units of the L.T. Murray Wildlife Area, said Ross Huffman, WDFW southcentral region lands operations manager. Developing a green dot road system in the "green gate" area of the Quilomene Unit is an objective of the interagency Naneum-to-Columbia River Recreation Plan.
Updates include the loss of public access across private land adjacent to the Ahtanum State Forest, said Joe Smith, DNR southeast region forest operations manager.
Huffman and Smith note that road use across private property adjacent to the L.T. Murray Wildlife Area and Naneum Ridge State Forest could also be affected.
Road management on the Colockum, Wenas, and Oak Creek road management areas will also be discussed at the meeting.
Additional information about the green dot road system is available at https://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/wildlife_areas/green_dot/
Persons with disabilities who need to receive this information in an alternative format or who need reasonable accommodations to participate in WDFW-sponsored public meetings or other activities may contact Dolores Noyes by phone (360-902-2349), TTY (360-902-2207), or email (dolores.noyes@dfw.wa.gov). For more information, see http://wdfw.wa.gov/accessibility/reasonable_request.html.
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Post by: Rainier10 on March 07, 2018, 11:34:46 AM
Is this about a private land owner blocking access?
:dunno:
Post by: HoofsandWings on March 07, 2018, 12:35:41 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 07, 2018, 01:34:41 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on March 07, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
So are they closing more roads or opening more up?
Is this about a private land owner blocking access?
:dunno:
Probably the latter regarding the Cowiche Unit.
Post by: C-Money on March 07, 2018, 03:35:29 PM
Post by: jdb on April 01, 2018, 07:46:36 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 01, 2018, 08:08:40 AM
I went to the meeting and they're closing down a huge block in 368what was the reasoning? Elk calving area?
Post by: Oh Mah on April 01, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
Post by: jdb on April 01, 2018, 12:20:02 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 01, 2018, 01:08:41 PM
Post by: jdb on April 01, 2018, 01:13:00 PM
Do we know which drainage?the south fork of the cowiche
Post by: Oh Mah on April 01, 2018, 03:59:29 PM
So another way,There has to be some other way in right?They can't have land locked public land by law right?
Post by: Oh Mah on April 01, 2018, 04:11:50 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 01, 2018, 04:13:38 PM
Post by: jdb on April 01, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 01, 2018, 05:07:06 PM
Post by: jdb on April 01, 2018, 05:25:31 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 01, 2018, 05:31:36 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2018, 04:35:13 AM
Thanks.There is no law against having land locked public land. There are millions of acres of public land that are land locked in the western states.
So another way,There has to be some other way in right?They can't have land locked public land by law right?
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Post by: Oh Mah on April 02, 2018, 11:19:37 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 02, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 02, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 02, 2018, 11:57:09 AM
Post by: Stein on April 02, 2018, 12:31:54 PM
The west is full of landlocked public land that you can't get to without a jetpack, parachute or helicopter.
Post by: Oh Mah on April 02, 2018, 12:40:53 PM
Post by: Stein on April 02, 2018, 12:50:54 PM
I read that article also,It said that access was made very difficult.There are laws in place and have been for several years that give property owners the very easements you are talking about.Please point to 1 case where a person bought land that they cannot access.
Murphy v. Burch (2007) 156 Cal. App. 4th 1434.
From another source:
"An easement by necessity arises by operation of law only if two strict conditions are met: (1) there is a strict necessity for the right-of-way such as owning a landlocked parcel with no access to a public right of way; and (2) at one time, the landlocked parcel and the parcel over which the right-of-way is sought, were owned by the same person(s). The exception to this rule is where the landlocked parcel was patent deeded by the federal government to the current owner or to his or her predecessor in the chain of title."
So, if you wanted to access a piece of landlocked public ground, you would need to go to court to assert the easement of necessity and pay all the costs to get that through - assuming you could convince the judge. The part about the landlocked land and piece you want to cross needing to once be owned by the same landowner seems to exclude just about all public land. I don't see anywhere where a guy can simply trespass and be anything other than a trespasser.
Post by: SuperX on April 02, 2018, 01:07:25 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 02, 2018, 01:22:16 PM
"WHILE THE GRANTOR MIGHT NOT EXPRESSLY GRANT DEED OR RESERVE RIGHTS OF ACCESS,SUCH RIGHTS WILL BE LEGISLATIVELY OR JUDICIALLY IMPLIED.
She lost the case as so many do with the Supreme court,She did not bring the right argument.She won at first because it is the law as i stated.
Public land is owned by the public same way private land is,We pay the taxes for the land no different than a private party does.The Gov. can impose rules for the use on the public land but cannot stop the public from accessing it.Yes you are right on the rest that you said. Public land has many owners,in each state,In WA. you and i own the public land along with all other citizens of this state.
Post by: Oh Mah on April 02, 2018, 01:36:58 PM
Tip: Don't buy land from the gov. without easement.
Fact: If it's purchased by a private party the law is simple,Easement is or will be implied.
Post by: Stein on April 02, 2018, 01:39:57 PM
After reading through all of it and the next appeal as well,I will admit that the courts see it differently at least in California but only because the land in question was purchased by the Fed.Had it been purchased by a private party what i said stands. :tup:
Tip: Don't buy land from the gov. without easement.
Fact: If it's purchased by a private party the law is simple,Easement is or will be implied.
Provided the piece you own and the piece you want an easement on were owned by the same landowner at one time. Unfortunately, that doesn't help with public land access.
Post by: Oh Mah on April 02, 2018, 01:47:30 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2018, 05:55:46 PM
Oh really?You say where and i'll show you litigation on it.Difficult doesn't count either,Any access makes it accessible.http://westernpriorities.org/2013/11/25/new-report-landlocked-measuring-public-land-access-in-the-west/
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Post by: Oh Mah on April 02, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
I guess if (that's a huge if since I've already shown laws that say i'm right)there's no written law as i thought then there dam sure should be,If all land owners had to give same easement as everyone else this would not be a problem,IT'S JUST LIKE THE BORDER WALL ISSUE.If there was an easement on our side of the border our country could be safer and the wall cheaper. :twocents:
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