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1 Points accrued or spent on this hunt do not apply to other mountain
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Post by: MerriamMagician on March 20, 2018, 03:41:43 PM
If the goal was really to reduce conflict and not specifically make it a trophy tag they should have set this hunt up so that it did not qualify to be your OIL goat. Meaning that if you drew the conflict tag and got a goat, you could still apply for the other goat tags and your conflict goat was not considered to be your OIL goat. If I remember correctly, there was a big push by hunters to waive the OIL status of these conflict tags, but WDFW shot it down. They could have simply offered more tags that did not qualify as OIL goats and got much better results to achieve the original goal, CONFLICT REDUCTION. But no, now there will be an expensive project to try to relocate goats instead of managing the hunt in an intelligent fashion.
Post by: jackelope on March 20, 2018, 04:07:15 PM
If it wasn't OIL I would be applying every single year....and so would everyone else under the sun.
Post by: Jpmiller on March 20, 2018, 04:30:22 PM
Isn't it only OIL if you kill a goat?
If it wasn't OIL I would be applying every single year....and so would everyone else under the sun.
If the goal is to reduce or eliminate the herd why place any barrier to application on it at all? It's not being billed as a normal goat hunt so applying the oil designation seems off from their stayed message.
Post by: jackelope on March 20, 2018, 04:43:05 PM
Isn't it only OIL if you kill a goat?
If it wasn't OIL I would be applying every single year....and so would everyone else under the sun.
If the goal is to reduce or eliminate the herd why place any barrier to application on it at all? It's not being billed as a normal goat hunt so applying the oil designation seems off from their stayed message.
Ya I agree with you.
This is just me, and I don't expect anyone else to think the same way as me although I suspect more than a few do. I would never apply for this hunt knowing it was an OIL hunt. Let me rephrase that. I would never shoot the first goat I saw(like they want you to) knowing it was an OIL hunt. I guess I'm not surprised people do, but I don't want my WA OIL mountain goat to be a nanny.
Post by: bearpaw on March 20, 2018, 04:48:44 PM
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Post by: chester on March 20, 2018, 06:28:05 PM
Odds are so terrible of ever drawing any goat tag in wa I’d gladly take whatever tag I could get knowing it is oil. :twocents::yeah: this is the only category I actually have max points in. Best shot at an oil tag in my lifetime as far as Washington goes.
Post by: Jpmiller on March 20, 2018, 07:31:21 PM
Post by: Katmai Guy on March 20, 2018, 09:01:55 PM
Post by: Dan-o on March 20, 2018, 09:38:11 PM
Am I wrong?
Post by: jackelope on March 20, 2018, 10:33:17 PM
The way I read it, drawing this tag DOES NOT affect your points or ability to draw a "normal" Mt Goat tag.
Am I wrong?
No, but if you kill a goat you’re done with your OIL goat ability.
Post by: jackelope on March 20, 2018, 10:38:33 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 20, 2018, 10:39:52 PM
My hunting partner was a national park ranger for a number of years. He has spent some time in the Olympics and knows alot of people who are constantly around there and there are plenty of big billies around. No reason you couldn't be picky and find a nice goat, just doesn't help the states goal. That's why it think it shouldn't count towards a oil tag.
I’m sure there are some stud billies running around over there. That’s exactly what I would do.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 21, 2018, 05:09:00 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 21, 2018, 07:03:37 AM
What run around and be a stud?:chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 21, 2018, 07:10:29 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2018, 08:08:50 AM
What run around and be a stud?
Yes.
Really, I would hold out for a nice billy. No way I would shoot the first goat I saw on an OIL hunt unless it was the right billy.
Post by: Dan-o on March 21, 2018, 09:41:32 AM
My son drew the conflict goat hunt the year before it became a conflict.
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2018, 09:49:59 AM
The conflict goat hunt does not affect your "normal" goat hunt opportunity, though........ right?
My son drew the conflict goat hunt the year before it became a conflict.
I'm 99% sure that if he killed a goat he is done goat hunting in Washington. I might be wrong I guess.
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 21, 2018, 10:00:20 AM
So reading that, if you draw a Baker tag and don't harvest a goat, can you apply again? I was always under the impression that if you drew one of the normal goat permits, you were done whether you harvest or not.i believe they changed that a few years ago, no kill and you can re-apply. Your out!!!! 😬
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2018, 10:20:12 AM
So reading that, if you draw a Baker tag and don't harvest a goat, can you apply again? I was always under the impression that if you drew one of the normal goat permits, you were done whether you harvest or not.i believe they changed that a few years ago, no kill and you can re-apply. Your out!!!! 😬
That's alright. I'll go with you when you draw this year. Here's the cool part.... no grizzly bears.
Post by: boneaddict on March 21, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 21, 2018, 10:49:19 AM
sounds great, I can’t imagine a goat tag to go with my Wyoming tag!!So reading that, if you draw a Baker tag and don't harvest a goat, can you apply again? I was always under the impression that if you drew one of the normal goat permits, you were done whether you harvest or not.i believe they changed that a few years ago, no kill and you can re-apply. Your out!!!! 😬
That's alright. I'll go with you when you draw this year. Here's the cool part.... no grizzly bears.
Post by: KNOPHISH on March 21, 2018, 10:53:49 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 21, 2018, 11:00:59 AM
if you don't kill yer points will probably zero though?that is true , so you might just as well be done.
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Post by: Bwana Bob on May 07, 2018, 03:47:55 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2018, 03:51:30 PM
Whats the trophy quality like in these conflict areas? I haven't been able to get much info on these areas. Can a 9-10 inch Billie be killed there?:chuckle:
You're "encouraged" to shoot the first goat you have the opportunity to shoot as it's supposed to be a cull hunt. I think there are probably some big billies there. A guy killed a nice billy a year or 2 ago.
Post by: Bob33 on May 07, 2018, 03:55:27 PM
Applications can definitely be purchased right now, I bought mine today. I wasn't able to buy conflict goat though, it wasn't listed in the available applications.
Post by: X-Force on May 07, 2018, 04:01:31 PM
Post by: Bwana Bob on May 07, 2018, 04:15:14 PM
Post by: 520backyard on May 07, 2018, 05:01:44 PM
Even though the goat removal is away from the hunt areas I wonder how the Park Goat removal this summer will effect the hunt.
The conflict goat hunts are part of the goat removal plan area.
Post by: 520backyard on May 07, 2018, 05:52:45 PM
Post by: Crunchy on May 07, 2018, 06:02:44 PM
Post by: 520backyard on May 07, 2018, 06:17:52 PM
I think the biologist took the blue pill instead of the red one. If you followed the Matrix you will understand.
Yeah roger that.
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2018, 06:52:48 PM
Post by: 520backyard on May 07, 2018, 07:40:10 PM
I’m pretty sure if you did some digging around on this very forum on this very board, you’ll find multiple threads from hunters who have had the conflict tags and who documented their hunts here. None of them said it was easy to kill a goat in there.
I didn't know easy was on the table when it came to goat hunting. If I ever get drawn again I expect it to be harder than hell just like last time and I wouldn't have it any other way it was the best hunt ever.
Post by: jackelope on May 08, 2018, 08:50:45 AM
I’m pretty sure if you did some digging around on this very forum on this very board, you’ll find multiple threads from hunters who have had the conflict tags and who documented their hunts here. None of them said it was easy to kill a goat in there.
I didn't know easy was on the table when it came to goat hunting. If I ever get drawn again I expect it to be harder than hell just like last time and I wouldn't have it any other way it was the best hunt ever.
Maybe easy wasn't exactly the right word to use, but I've read lots of opinions on this project and it seems like a lot of the people pushing for letting hunters in to shoot them act like they're just going to hike up the Mt Ellinor trail and have to fend off the goats with a stick, shoot one and walk back down. Judging by the threads I've read on here shared by the folks who have actually hunted them, it's difficult country to access, they're hard to find and there are all sorts of other issues to deal with like hikers and weather and whatever else. Just trying to clarify that this would not be like shooting ducks on a pond.
Post by: 520backyard on May 08, 2018, 09:15:19 AM
It's just curious to me that the reason given by the WDFW biologist when I asked why hasn't WDFW increased tags numbers in that area to reduce their numbers he gave a reason that "hunters had complained about not enough goats and that increased tags would have hunters hunting on top of each other". Yet the goat density map from the goat management plan on page 43 shows goat densities in the area to be medium to medium high with 7-15 and 16-50 goats within that area respectively and it is not exactly a small area. Knowing they want the goats out of there and yet they offer a 10 day tag season in there, while every other goat unit in the state gets from a month and a half to two and a half months. That is completely illogical given the situation and it has been for at least 2 decades in this particular goat area. Lets hope that plan B is selected and there are no rotting goat carcasses.I’m pretty sure if you did some digging around on this very forum on this very board, you’ll find multiple threads from hunters who have had the conflict tags and who documented their hunts here. None of them said it was easy to kill a goat in there.
I didn't know easy was on the table when it came to goat hunting. If I ever get drawn again I expect it to be harder than hell just like last time and I wouldn't have it any other way it was the best hunt ever.
Maybe easy wasn't exactly the right word to use, but I've read lots of opinions on this project and it seems like a lot of the people pushing for letting hunters in to shoot them act like they're just going to hike up the Mt Ellinor trail and have to fend off the goats with a stick, shoot one and walk back down. Judging by the threads I've read on here shared by the folks who have actually hunted them, it's difficult country to access, they're hard to find and there are all sorts of other issues to deal with like hikers and weather and whatever else. Just trying to clarify that this would not be like shooting ducks on a pond.
Post by: X-Force on May 08, 2018, 09:28:27 AM
Even though the goat removal is away from the hunt areas I wonder how the Park Goat removal this summer will effect the hunt.
The conflict goat hunts are part of the goat removal plan area.
They are part of the goat removal plan but the removal/relocation program where the ONP will be actively trapping, darting or netting goats this summer is outside of the hunt unit.
Post by: jackelope on May 08, 2018, 11:13:41 AM
It's just curious to me that the reason given by the WDFW biologist when I asked why hasn't WDFW increased tags numbers in that area to reduce their numbers he gave a reason that "hunters had complained about not enough goats and that increased tags would have hunters hunting on top of each other". Yet the goat density map from the goat management plan on page 43 shows goat densities in the area to be medium to medium high with 7-15 and 16-50 goats within that area respectively and it is not exactly a small area. Knowing they want the goats out of there and yet they offer a 10 day tag season in there, while every other goat unit in the state gets from a month and a half to two and a half months. That is completely illogical given the situation and it has been for at least 2 decades in this particular goat area. Lets hope that plan B is selected and there are no rotting goat carcasses.I’m pretty sure if you did some digging around on this very forum on this very board, you’ll find multiple threads from hunters who have had the conflict tags and who documented their hunts here. None of them said it was easy to kill a goat in there.
I didn't know easy was on the table when it came to goat hunting. If I ever get drawn again I expect it to be harder than hell just like last time and I wouldn't have it any other way it was the best hunt ever.
Maybe easy wasn't exactly the right word to use, but I've read lots of opinions on this project and it seems like a lot of the people pushing for letting hunters in to shoot them act like they're just going to hike up the Mt Ellinor trail and have to fend off the goats with a stick, shoot one and walk back down. Judging by the threads I've read on here shared by the folks who have actually hunted them, it's difficult country to access, they're hard to find and there are all sorts of other issues to deal with like hikers and weather and whatever else. Just trying to clarify that this would not be like shooting ducks on a pond.
Yeah I totally get where you're coming from. I just read about 3 people on here who had those permits. 1 killed a goat on the 5th day. The other 2 ate their tags. I don't know how they'd capture all the goats. If the end goal is zero goats alive, then some are going to have to be culled. It's not like you're going to capture some farm goats. There will be cliffs involved, you won't be able to net/dart them because of where they are, you can spook them from one place to another and try again I guess but.... I just don't see all of the goats being captured.
Given the history of this effort the past 30 or so years of trying to get them moved, honestly I'll be surprised if it actually happens in the first place.
Post by: Katmai Guy on May 08, 2018, 11:14:50 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 08, 2018, 11:16:02 AM
Hopefully the helicopters, darting and netting runs the goats into the hunt areas. Will increase opportunity for tag holders.
You've been there with boots on the ground, right? They're hard to find or not?
Post by: Katmai Guy on May 08, 2018, 11:33:56 AM
Post by: CaNINE on May 08, 2018, 11:58:41 AM
They are easy to find with the helicopters the Bios use but not so much with boots. Terrain/access was the limiting factor to get to where I was told the majority of the bigger billys were,(West side of Mt Pershing) After the hunt, talking with the head bio and his assistant, they admitted they hadn't put boots on the ground to access accessibiltity. After trying to get to the goats on Pershing, I decided to get to elevation using the Mt Ellinor trail and then travel the ridge from there to hunt but after getting up there, found out you cant get anywhere without mt climbing gear so you're stuck sitting in a tent waiting for a goat to walk by. I now know how to get where I saw some BIG billies and will share once I find out if I've drawn or not. My hunt was great, success not so much but that isn't the whole experience. I believe the Olympics are way tougher to navigate to where you want to be than the cascades.
:yeah:
There are some good Billy's up there but most of the tag holders haven't been able to make it half way up the ridge, let alone to the summit block where the big boys hang out. It's rough, broken and heavily vegitated climbing suck fest clinging to devil's club and vine maple. Last year I helped a Montana youth hunter who drew the tag...he took a nice goat. Year before we took a nice Billy up there. The state won't increase hunter opportunity because they understand the difficulty of the hunt and that increased tags won't result in reduced populations.
Post by: 520backyard on May 08, 2018, 02:12:22 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 08, 2018, 02:18:48 PM
Post by: 520backyard on May 08, 2018, 02:38:34 PM
I just saw a post on Facebook from Bushcraft saying that there are 26 days left to change the lethal removal part of the plan....so there's an opportunity to change.There is 26 days left till the final decision is made on which alternative plan is to be implemented. NPS has essentially telegraphed their preferred option of alternative D relocation and lethal removal. A ground swelling against killing the goats from the public and sportsmen alike can change that to alternative plan B relocation.
Post by: CaNINE on May 08, 2018, 03:40:25 PM
Post by: X-Force on May 08, 2018, 03:41:42 PM
Are there any public meetings planned? Anybody interested in helping partner up with me to draft up some standard letter language that HuntWA members can use to call or send to the NPS?
Meetings were held last fall and this spring.
Post by: 520backyard on May 08, 2018, 04:10:30 PM
Are there any public meetings planned? Anybody interested in helping partner up with me to draft up some standard letter language that HuntWA members can use to call or send to the NPS?Send them to these individuals they are the key ones that can stop the lethal removal of the ONP mtn goats. The fat goat hasn't sung yet :tup:
President Donald Trump
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
US Senator Patty Murray
154 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington DC 20510
US Senator Maria Cantwell
511 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington DC 20510
Ken Salazar Secretary of the
Department of the Interior
1849 C Street, N.W.
Washington DC 20240
Pacific West Region
Martha Lee, Acting Regional Director
National Park Service
333 Bush Street, Suite 500
San Francisco, CA 94104-2828
(415) 623-2100
Post by: jackelope on May 08, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
Post by: CLARKTAR on May 08, 2018, 08:28:13 PM
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Post by: CLARKTAR on May 08, 2018, 09:35:22 PM
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