Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 16, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 16, 2018, 02:24:11 PM
Just trying to help with process of elimination. ;)
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 02:28:56 PM
Any other firearms "cleaned/oiled" at the same time, with the same stuff that were not holstered, that did not result the in the same?
Just trying to help with process of elimination. ;)
All other firearms in the safe protected with either Eezox or MPro-7. No other sign of any rust or corrosion whatsoever.
Post by: Woodchuck on April 16, 2018, 02:29:43 PM
Post by: buglebrush on April 16, 2018, 02:30:56 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 02:33:53 PM
Rust doesn't happen without water. :twocents:
Totally agree with ya and I'm not going to challenge the laws of science today :chuckle: , but I'm convinced that there is some chemical or salt in the manufacturing process of these holsters that is speeding up the rust process (the holster was new).
Post by: bearpaw on April 16, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
Rust doesn't happen without water. :twocents:
Totally agree with ya and I'm not going to challenge the laws of science today :chuckle: , but I'm convinced that there is some chemical or salt in the manufacturing process of these holsters that is speeding up the rust process (the holster was new).
Have you tried contacting the company?
Post by: Oh Mah on April 16, 2018, 02:35:56 PM
Rust doesn't happen without water. :twocents:Corrosion does,This looks like some kind of acid was introduced to the firearm.something mix in with your gun oil?I'm sure you didn't clean and oil all at same time did you?It appears to be very uniform also like it was rubbed on.
Post by: Oh Mah on April 16, 2018, 02:39:12 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 02:40:02 PM
I've got an Uncle Mikes holster I've used for probably 30 years, never had any issues, I love that holster. But I don't store it in a safe? :dunno:
I wonder if they were using different manufacturing techniques on your holsters back then? One thing I did notice in the case of my two pistols; both the holsters had extensive use of adhesives beneath the reinforced areas of the holster prior to being stitched-up. Could feel that these adhesives were still tacky...
Post by: h20hunter on April 16, 2018, 02:41:50 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on April 16, 2018, 02:43:03 PM
Post by: mountainman on April 16, 2018, 02:51:52 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 02:54:50 PM
The adhesive was still tacky? Upon purchase? C'mon. I would believe that cleaner or oil may have reacted and possibly made it tacky but I doubt any adhesive from manufacturing was not set and dry.
Many different adhesives that I know of that purposely remain tacky after being affixed. Common finding if you've been sniffing glue as long as I have :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on April 16, 2018, 02:59:47 PM
:tup:
Post by: bearpaw on April 16, 2018, 03:08:00 PM
I've got an Uncle Mikes holster I've used for probably 30 years, never had any issues, I love that holster. But I don't store it in a safe? :dunno:
I wonder if they were using different manufacturing techniques on your holsters back then? One thing I did notice in the case of my two pistols; both the holsters had extensive use of adhesives beneath the reinforced areas of the holster prior to being stitched-up. Could feel that these adhesives were still tacky...
They certainly could have changed something, I would call the company and start a dialog! :dunno:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 03:08:38 PM
Moisture in the little leather wear strip seen in inside of holster would be my guess. Too much oil on exterior of gun maybe react with it?
Think you might have something there, Mountainman. The gun has a matte stainless finish and was lightly oiled. Not enough to soak into the holster, but I DO believe that it has something to do with the "reinforcement strap" area, which is where my guns were affected as well.
Post by: JWEBB on April 16, 2018, 03:14:17 PM
Post by: jasnt on April 16, 2018, 03:39:20 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on April 16, 2018, 03:47:13 PM
Rust doesn't happen without water. :twocents:
:yeah: there was moisture, it was confined in a holster and rusted. Either it was the lube or the holster had moisture in it. I agree that uncle mikes holsters are raging pos's but not for the reasons in this thread.
Post by: ellensburgpo on April 16, 2018, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: gee_unit360 on April 16, 2018, 05:17:31 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on April 16, 2018, 05:37:24 PM
Post by: jdb on April 16, 2018, 05:42:14 PM
Post by: Jason on April 16, 2018, 06:02:56 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 06:24:12 PM
Rust doesn't happen without water. :twocents:
:yeah: there was moisture, it was confined in a holster and rusted. Either it was the lube or the holster had moisture in it. I agree that uncle mikes holsters are raging pos's but not for the reasons in this thread.
Moisture from the lube causing rust, that’s a new one to me!
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 16, 2018, 06:34:22 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on April 16, 2018, 06:37:16 PM
https://detectorbuy.com/TSI-321-28-4-oz-Bottle-321-28.htm
The stuff in the web address above is pretty good if you end up deciding to try a different product to whatever was used in this case.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 06:42:37 PM
Is your safe in a heated space or is it just the interior of the safe that is climate controlled? I’ve never had an issue with any of mine and I have pistols stored in these holsters, some of them for many years.
Mine and my buddy’s safes both in heated, humidity controlled residences.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 06:48:11 PM
Not sure which "lube" was used. Not all lubricants are really rust inhibitors. Some are less well made then others, can seperate and lose the rust inhibiting quality they are supposed to have. I'm not saying that it's not possible the holster is the problem, but I'm guessing most would agree what the odds are that the holster construction or materials are the problem. I've had to use different gun care products in different environments because they each have specific fail points. What do I know I suppose .
https://detectorbuy.com/TSI-321-28-4-oz-Bottle-321-28.htm
The stuff in the web address above is pretty good if you end up deciding to try a different product to whatever was used in this case.
Only Eezox or MPro-7, either of which seem to be in most guys’ top 10 list for commercial CLP....
Post by: ellensburgpo on April 16, 2018, 07:21:35 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 16, 2018, 07:27:47 PM
Post by: JWEBB on April 16, 2018, 07:34:05 PM
My take from what the op has posted so far.The gun is bone dry,Has no oil residue on it whatsoever.If i put a very lite coat of gun oil on my firearms then wipe it down completely,then place it in my uncle mikes holster it is still gonna have oil residue on it a year later.This has none not even a hint oil was ever introduced to this firearm so i am at a total loss here. :dunno:
I’m confused on this statement. The op said the gun was lightly oiled and it was in holster for 2 weeks. Where did you find where he said there was no oil and it was in holster for year? :dunno:
Post by: Oh Mah on April 16, 2018, 07:37:22 PM
what i said was i oil wipe off and still have rem of oil after even a year in my holster.
Also just for you go to my profile and read my comment.
Post by: JWEBB on April 16, 2018, 07:48:58 PM
he didn't say that,i did not say he said that.look at the picture.Do you see any rem of oil at all on this firearm?in a week of being in a controlled atmosphere?It is all in the pic.
what i said was i oil wipe off and still have rem of oil after even a year in my holster.
Also just for you go to my profile and read my comment.
Hah your a funny one. Glad your not my neighbor
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 07:51:34 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 16, 2018, 07:57:21 PM
What does this even mean?You don't want anyone living next door that comprehends?he didn't say that,i did not say he said that.look at the picture.Do you see any rem of oil at all on this firearm?in a week of being in a controlled atmosphere?It is all in the pic.
what i said was i oil wipe off and still have rem of oil after even a year in my holster.
Also just for you go to my profile and read my comment.
Hah your a funny one. Glad your not my neighbor
Post by: ellensburgpo on April 16, 2018, 08:00:01 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 16, 2018, 08:04:50 PM
Post by: JWEBB on April 16, 2018, 08:06:41 PM
It's not the holsters. That's not the x factor causing the problem. Not across three guns. There is a moisture issue in that safe, whether it's ambient or the holsters are wet, or the lubricant is bad. Look at all of the posts of people using them without issues. What are the odds that one person got three of them with the same defect across what are most likely different manufacturing periods/lot numbers. The two constants are the lube and safe
It was 2 different safes from my understanding. And also I had the exact same thing happen with my lc9. Same deal oiled properly, stored in a heated safe indoors
Post by: JWEBB on April 16, 2018, 08:09:37 PM
:yeah:
I don't think your comprehending very well yourself. The OP clearly is talking about 2 different safes in 2 different locations
Post by: Oh Mah on April 16, 2018, 08:16:22 PM
How hot is it in that safe?The oil is gone,I mean gone.evaporated completely.No oil and any humidity and you have rust.Does op have a humidity gauge in the safe?my safe pretty dry,i have no issues with humidity even with my muzzy caps.Tell us what the humidity is at.
Post by: hunter399 on April 16, 2018, 08:34:31 PM
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1841368409/lauer-custom-weaponry-duracoat-aerosol-firearm-finish
Get the RUST off , clean with brake cleaner,and spray in warm area .
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 16, 2018, 10:02:57 PM
I comprehend just fine,There is obviously info not in these posts.This doesn't just happen.
How hot is it in that safe?The oil is gone,I mean gone.evaporated completely.No oil and any humidity and you have rust.Does op have a humidity gauge in the safe?my safe pretty dry,i have no issues with humidity even with my muzzy caps.Tell us what the humidity is at.
Somewhere between well done and fried at this point, good mister Oh Mah... :rolleyes:
Post by: hunter399 on April 16, 2018, 10:44:34 PM
Thanks for the advice hunter399, I think? Funny as it sounds I’d rather just keep the original finish if possible :tup:Well good luck to ya ,and the rusty original finish. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 17, 2018, 08:17:17 AM
Post by: hunter399 on April 17, 2018, 08:25:06 AM
I’ve lost track was this thread about the firearm or the holster?I have a few Mike's holster never a problem,so it maybe a firearm problem ,not sure. :dunno:
I do know RUST is called cancer for a reason.
Post by: Alchase on April 17, 2018, 12:27:32 PM
Were all three hand guns coated with the same product?
For those of you who have seen this before, what oil/anti-rust product were you using?
I wipe mine down with an silicone impregnated cloth, before I store them in the safe. Never had an issue.
Post by: jackelope on April 17, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
:dunno:
Post by: BD1 on April 17, 2018, 01:40:48 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 17, 2018, 02:52:41 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 17, 2018, 03:16:32 PM
I’ve lost track was this thread about the firearm or the holster?I have a few Mike's holster never a problem,so it maybe a firearm problem ,not sure. :dunno:
I do know RUST is called cancer for a reason.
So true, my '77 Dodge Power Wagon is proof positive of that fact! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 17, 2018, 03:19:55 PM
I'm not much of a handgun/holster guy, but I always was told not to leave handguns in holsters inside the safe for this very reason.
:dunno:
True, but just for a couple of weeks? I've even left handguns in the DREADED leather holsters for a week or two and never had this happen...
Post by: Alchase on April 17, 2018, 04:11:57 PM
I do not keep handguns in holsters in the safe, but only for space reasons. I have never seen any issues on my stash guns, being stored in holsters.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 17, 2018, 04:12:39 PM
Post by: yorketransport on April 17, 2018, 07:47:26 PM
Uncle Mike's holsters will hold moisture in my experience. If the holster had any moisture trapped in it and it went into a warm safe for a week or two, I'm not surprised if it caused rust.
I like the holsters as an inexpensive and functional option for guns that I'm not going to carry that often.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 17, 2018, 07:57:16 PM
Galco, Triple K, Hunter, whatever...never in my years have I seen anything like this. The moisture theory alone just isn't holding water :chuckle: for me...
Post by: hunter399 on April 17, 2018, 08:07:51 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 17, 2018, 09:37:42 PM
The other thing is, is the nylon made in China ?
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 18, 2018, 08:04:21 AM
I will ask one more question ,did you order holster online,or buy from store .Maybe got moisture in the mail. :dunno:
Sportsman's for mine, don't know where my friend purchased his.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 18, 2018, 08:06:20 AM
I bet the oil leached the dye off the inside of the holster. I can almost assure you that's what happened.
The other thing is, is the nylon made in China ?
Could be
- Will check and get back on the location of Mfg
Post by: Alchase on April 18, 2018, 11:39:42 AM
They could have picked up sweat moisture if the were.
Not saying something similar could not happen to an OWB holster, but IWBs can get pretty sweaty in some conditions.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on April 25, 2018, 12:10:57 PM
Just thinking out loud, were those IWB holsters?
They could have picked up sweat moisture if the were.
Not saying something similar could not happen to an OWB holster, but IWBs can get pretty sweaty in some conditions.
Nope, all worn outside. All "Sidekick" nylon holsters.
Post by: longashes on April 30, 2018, 07:32:27 AM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004QUIWAA/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=
Post by: T-Bone on May 01, 2018, 06:11:10 AM
I've used Uncle Mike's nylon holsters for years for their intended transport/not storage purpose with ZERO problems.
Also: http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=398836
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on August 11, 2018, 06:21:14 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on August 11, 2018, 06:35:46 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on August 11, 2018, 08:48:47 PM
Holster on the top (white logo) is a new one, CHOCK FULL of that disgusting yellow GOO...So much that it's oozing out the sides of the reinforcement strap. Just plain lousy craftsmanship at the least, not to mention the corrosion issue... Uncle Mikes or whoever owns them now should be ashamed! :yike:
Post by: Alchase on August 12, 2018, 09:55:50 AM
I have many handguns stored in holsters for years, leather and Kydex type, I have never had a problem with the holsters damaging the pistol. I would be looking to get some reimbursement.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on August 12, 2018, 10:12:09 AM
Have you contacted Uncle MIkes? I would be curious to what they say.
I have many handguns stored in holsters for years, leather and Kydex type, I have never had a problem with the holsters damaging the pistol. I would be looking to get some reimbursement.
Thats my next step, I’ll be interested as well as to their response.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 12, 2018, 10:19:00 AM
Post by: huntandjeep on August 12, 2018, 02:44:03 PM
Aren't the orange logo ones the older models ? Like years ago ?Yes.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on August 12, 2018, 07:17:11 PM
Aren't the orange logo ones the older models ? Like years ago ?
Yep, looks like the manufacturing processes changed at some point...no unusual corrosion issues noted with these older holsters like Bearpaw’s (commented on page 1).
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 13, 2018, 07:01:21 AM
Aren't the orange logo ones the older models ? Like years ago ?
Yep, looks like the manufacturing processes changed at some point...no unusual corrosion issues noted with these older holsters like Bearpaw’s (commented on page 1).
Cheaper materials for a bigger profit margins.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 13, 2018, 08:53:46 AM
Sending product offshore can be very lucrative, but you MUST stay on top of it.
Post by: baker5150 on August 13, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
VOC's leach out of carpet for close to a decade after installation, longer if the pad is of cheaper quality.
Indoor paint averages 3 years before fully "Cured" and VOC's are no longer emitted.
All of which are terrible for us to be breathing.
I can see this adhesive causing an issue.
If the safe is dry, as in low humidity, any moisture in the adhesive will evaporate quicker in that environment as the dry air pulls the moisture out.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on August 14, 2018, 10:21:13 PM
Off gassing of chemicals can happen for years after a product is applied.
VOC's leach out of carpet for close to a decade after installation, longer if the pad is of cheaper quality.
Indoor paint averages 3 years before fully "Cured" and VOC's are no longer emitted.
All of which are terrible for us to be breathing.
I can see this adhesive causing an issue.
If the safe is dry, as in low humidity, any moisture in the adhesive will evaporate quicker in that environment as the dry air pulls the moisture out.
Wow, that would make even more sense with the low humidity scenario factored in. Dry storage environment in the driest part of the state out here in the basin.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on August 14, 2018, 10:26:22 PM
Aren't the orange logo ones the older models ? Like years ago ?
Yep, looks like the manufacturing processes changed at some point...no unusual corrosion issues noted with these older holsters like Bearpaw’s (commented on page 1).
Cheaper materials for a bigger profit margins.
No kidding - Found out yesterday that even good ole (formerly) American Stanley thermos bottles are now made in the People's Republic...What is this nation coming to?
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 15, 2018, 07:01:26 AM
The problem is the companies that aren’t controlling the manufacturing process when they send the work to China.