Post by: Goshawk on April 16, 2018, 08:48:54 PM
The only time I've ever been let down by any bullet is when it comes apart or fragments after the impact cutting short it's mass and penetration. Tough bullets like the old Speer Grand slams, Nosler Partitions and Barnes all copper are on one end of the "hell for stout" spectrum. This style of bullet has never let me down from heavy bone to even passing though a small tree before hitting the animal and still holding together enough for a good kill.
One of the things I have yet to figure out is the Berger line of bullets. To me, they look like a varmint bullet, penetrating just a few inches before coming apart and fragmenting or as they say "grenading". I suppose that's all and fine if every shot you have is perfect broad side where everything ends up in the lungs, but what about quartering forward shots, downhill or other less than ideal angles? It seems to me like a bullet that shreds apart would be the last thing you would want in the chamber; yet Berger users are a loyal following to say the least.
The Berger line is the only line I've never used. I'd like to hear from a few folks who have used them under less than ideal angles and bullet placement. Do they stay together long enough to break an elk or bison leg bone? Their own advertising talks about loosing 40 to 90% of their mass once in the animal. To me that just sounds like fragmentation.
You're experiences please.
Post by: bobcat on April 16, 2018, 08:53:43 PM
Post by: Stein on April 16, 2018, 09:01:53 PM
I would NEVER use a Berger on elk or bison. No way. I've heard of people using them on elk. But I wouldn't trust them. I've shot a few deer and a bighorn sheep with Bergers out of my 270 Win. and they worked great. Even got exits twice on the sheep. I like them for their accuracy but I wouldn't trust them to penetrate an elk's shoulder.
:yeah:
I have way too few chances at an elk to trust something that isn't 100% proven. I shoot Barnes TSX just due to the all copper feature but would also shoot Partitions or even Core Lokt if I needed to. Maybe in 20 years another bullet will be proven better but I will be very late to that party. Way, way too many sad stories on the Berger coming apart on elk.
Post by: Bob33 on April 16, 2018, 09:02:41 PM
I don't like the design of Berger bullets for hunting big game, but people that use them seem to swear by them.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 16, 2018, 09:05:40 PM
Saw a 140 Berger smash a 330 bull at 980 yards last fall. :twocents:
They work fine
Post by: jdb on April 16, 2018, 09:15:21 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 16, 2018, 09:17:11 PM
Bullblaster can I ask where the shot placement was?Broadside rear lungs and liver. It was behind the shoulder
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 16, 2018, 09:21:44 PM
The second pic is a buck I killed at 677 yards with a 215 hybrid. Entrance side. Exit side was 2-3 inch hole.
Post by: Goshawk on April 16, 2018, 09:27:50 PM
Perhaps that's a factor I'm missing. Long range performance that puts the bullet back under fragmentation speed, vs a close in shot on a deep woods bull.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 16, 2018, 09:36:35 PM
That's a lot of distance to slow down back to mushrooming speed. Easily 90% of every big game animal I shoot is under 200 yards, with 75- being the normal year to year range.Yes, if I knew going in that I would have closer shots I wouldn’t likely use the bergers. I haven’t had them fail and cost me an animal, but things can get pretty ugly up close and high velocity. Unfortunately there isn’t a bullet in my opinion that will do it all perfectly. Bergers work for my needs but I understand that not everyone wants the same as I do.
Perhaps that's a factor I'm missing. Long range performance that puts the bullet back under fragmentation speed, vs a close in shot on a deep woods bull.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 16, 2018, 09:43:13 PM
Long range slower velocity they do great close range fast velocity impacts. Have had very very poor results for me and family members. They blow up and do not get the penitration at high speed. My cousin shot a bull with 190 Berger multiple times from 200-50 yards 2 barley got any chunks of bullets into the organs. If it had been accubonds the first one would have probably laid him over. I shot a couple deer with them close was nasty and poor preformance. 300+ saw better results.
I have been dumping a lot of critters with the eldx. 15+ now since they come out. From 50-500 I have been super happy and I’m a pretty die hard accubond guy.
The accubond at your ranges and further if you not chasing a huge bc will be a great choice.
Post by: duckmen1 on April 16, 2018, 09:54:13 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on April 16, 2018, 10:45:22 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on April 17, 2018, 12:26:25 AM
Post by: jasnt on April 17, 2018, 05:32:43 AM
Taken many bear and deer with bergers both from 243 and 300 win mag. If you must bust shoulders stick with your AB's. I'll stick to what works well for me
Post by: birddogdad on April 17, 2018, 06:53:42 AM
I have no issue at all shooting elk with a Berger... done it plenty of times.
Saw a 140 Berger smash a 330 bull at 980 yards last fall. :twocents:
They work fine
Nothing but good with Berger, I too have several Bulls with them. 7mag and 168VLD's. There are 2 "types" of bullets from berger, they have a hunter and a target which from my understanding would be a hardness / expansion difference. By the way, the 2 bulls shot took less than 3 steps before dropping.. I love them! They are consistent and very dependable. Accuracy with my rifles is great. Working up a 338 Lapua load with the 300gr match tactical now for 2 friends.. have run them in my free bore wby 340's and they are great.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 17, 2018, 07:05:13 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2018, 07:23:33 AM
have run them in my free bore wby 340's and they are great.
Not to derail berger thread but quick question - whats your load for the bee and the lapua with those 300 gr bergers ? thx. Back to Berger success/failure stories........
Post by: b23 on April 17, 2018, 07:27:12 AM
I doubt I'd use Berger's if I was going on an African Safari but for most everything in North America, I would use Berger's.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2018, 07:44:16 AM
Only line I won't shoot are Barnes. Just don't see a point in shooting a bullet that fouls my barrel horribly and doesn't always expand.
Post by: CaNINE on April 17, 2018, 08:42:09 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 17, 2018, 08:53:30 AM
First is a small bear I shot with a 215 hybrid at 80-90 yards so they will work and expand even in a small target at high velocity and pass through.
Second is a mule deer that a buddy shot last fall with my 6.5-284 and a 143 eld x.
Post by: jmscon on April 17, 2018, 10:16:32 AM
Are any of you using bergers noticing more meat needing to get tossed compared to a bullet that retains more of its weight?
Post by: Bushcraft on April 17, 2018, 10:18:02 AM
I've observed friends using them to quickly drop and kill animals, but the lead grenade meat damage was horrendous in every single instance even at moderate ranges.
Same goes for any of the other lead grenade bullets out there.
No thanks!
I like no-mess, no-fuss, easy field cleaning, no lead or copper shrapnel contamination and maximum meat yield for my freezer.
Therefore, it's Barnes TTSX's for me all the way.
They are versatile in the sense that they just plain work at short range and on out to longer distances if velocity remains above 2,000 fps. (Barnes advertises 1,800 fps, but I add another 200 fps of insurance.)
They can be extremely accurate and have high enough B.C.'s to retain plenty of velocity and energy well beyond where 95% of the hunters have any business shooting deer/elk/bear (250-300 yards.)
Montana .308 Win. with 168 gr. TTSX's will stay above 2,000 out to approximately 350 yards.
Custom Tikka 300 WSM with same is good out to approximately 600 yards, environmental conditions depending.
Any farther and I'm going to put on the sneaky-sneak. ;)
Post by: Stein on April 17, 2018, 10:31:02 AM
If Berger came out with some type of super tough, traditional elk bullet with the same flight, I don't think you would see a bunch of guys still using the current bullet. I don't think there are many good bullet choices if you are looking at making a 1,000 yard shot and that is likely the best option.
I come at it from a perspective that 300 yards is a long poke, so I don't have to worry hardly at all about how the thing flies, any well known traditional elk bullet can be made to shoot accurate enough at that distance and will carry enough energy to be effective for good or less than optimal shots.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 17, 2018, 10:37:42 AM
I have one question,no. If you hit a big hunk of meat (neck, shoulder, hind) stuff gets messy, regardless of bullet choice. Unless it's a Barnes that fails to open. Then there's minimal meat loss :chuckle:
Are any of you using bergers noticing more meat needing to get tossed compared to a bullet that retains more of its weight?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 17, 2018, 10:42:59 AM
Post by: CaNINE on April 17, 2018, 11:24:47 AM
I have one question,no. If you hit a big hunk of meat (neck, shoulder, hind) stuff gets messy, regardless of bullet choice. Unless it's a Barnes that fails to open. Then there's minimal meat loss :chuckle:
Are any of you using bergers noticing more meat needing to get tossed compared to a bullet that retains more of its weight?
This is my experience too. I've not experienced any more meat loss when using a Berger bullet then other projectiles. My aim point is the lungs.
The beauty is that we have so many excellent choices for different types of hunting bullets. I always tell folks to find one that meets your needs, matches your hunting style and shoots well in your rifle - then hunt on!
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 17, 2018, 12:08:45 PM
Shot two deer with Barnes 100 grn .257 TTSX. One penciled through at 60ish yards and another was less than impressive at about 90 yards on a quartering away shot. Thankfully found the buck and put another in him. Spent the rest of that year cleaning the gun I think :chuckle:
Last fall, I shot a mule deer buck at a hair under 700 yards and impacted a little forward. 215 Berger Hybrid punched a baseball hole through both ball sockets and the front of the heart.
Post by: yorketransport on April 17, 2018, 12:42:43 PM
I’m not a big fan of the lead grenade you get from a lot of the targrt/VLD style hunting bullets. I’m a meat hunter at heart and I just don’t like giving up any more usable meat than I have to, including rib meat. For lead core bullets, I like all of the bonded styles for that reason.
I’ve switched to solid coppers for all of my hunting guns and I haven’t seen any significant fouling issues even with the Barnes TSX or TTSX. I do think that some of the Cutting Edge and Hammer bullets are worth looking at for longer range hunting
if you’re looking for accuracy and terminal performance without in a lead free bullet.
Post by: Goshawk on October 30, 2018, 10:13:55 AM
One item I still don't understand is the claim that Barnes foul barrels more than other copper bullets. Are the Barnes bullets made out of a different material than other copper jacketed bullets? If not, then with the same amount of surface bearing area why would they foul more?
Hope everyone has a great season out there!
Post by: Stein on October 30, 2018, 11:02:14 AM
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 30, 2018, 11:11:40 AM
Back to topic I made another kill with my trusty 215 Berger on a large Whitetail buck this fall through the ribs, golfball size entry and exit vitals wrecked. 300 yard shot and deer took 3-4 steps and dropped. I shot a buck last weekend with a 260 grain partition right behind the shoulder at 130 yards and lost more meat from that one than my Berger kill.
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2018, 11:27:18 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 30, 2018, 11:30:45 AM
Only one Berger kill this year, a large black bear at 50-60 yards. 300WSM, 185 hunting VLD, 3000 FPS at muzzle. High shoulder impact, no exit. Devastating trauma to entire chest
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 30, 2018, 11:42:12 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on October 30, 2018, 11:54:03 AM
Will never use Berger anything, ballistic tips, or similar. Have others used them successfully? Of course. But I'm not interested.
Post by: jasnt on October 30, 2018, 12:11:01 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 30, 2018, 12:27:46 PM
I'll never use Bergers again. I recently shot a mule deer in Wyoming at 50 yards. It was broadside, the .277 140 grain VLD went in right behind the shoulder, through both lungs, and that deer ran up over a hill, and nearly a half mile before I was able to catch up to it and finish it off. I've used them before and never had any issues, but from now on I'll be using Accubonds or Barnes in my 270 Win.
That's a mighty tough animal
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2018, 12:39:05 PM
I'll never use Bergers again. I recently shot a mule deer in Wyoming at 50 yards. It was broadside, the .277 140 grain VLD went in right behind the shoulder, through both lungs, and that deer ran up over a hill, and nearly a half mile before I was able to catch up to it and finish it off. I've used them before and never had any issues, but from now on I'll be using Accubonds or Barnes in my 270 Win.
That's a mighty tough animal
Yep, I couldn't believe it. Never have I seen a deer run that far when shot perfectly through the lungs. It's a good thing I have a witness! At first I was just watching it run away, waiting for it to drop, as I could see the red spot right behind the shoulder where I had hit it. I never thought it needed to be shot again. The Bergers I have remaining will be used only for coyotes. Just don't trust them anymore. I loaded up some Accubonds for my deer hunt in 2 1/2 weeks. They're just a little less accurate in my rifle but I hope they're more effective at putting down a deer with the first shot.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 30, 2018, 12:48:47 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2018, 12:51:02 PM
Did the bullet just not cause damage in the cavity? Or was the vitals tore up and for whatever reason it just kept on trucking? Did it exit?
Yes, it exited. My guess is it didn't expand at all. Did the gutless method so I don't know what the insides looked like. Even without expanding I don't understand how a deer can survive that. But that deer sure seemed perfectly fine until I got a second shot into it.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 30, 2018, 12:53:55 PM
Ya that’s crazy.Did the bullet just not cause damage in the cavity? Or was the vitals tore up and for whatever reason it just kept on trucking? Did it exit?
Yes, it exited. My guess is it didn't expand at all. Did the gutless method so I don't know what the insides looked like. Even without expanding I don't understand how a deer can survive that. But that deer sure seemed perfectly fine until I got a second shot into it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 30, 2018, 12:56:19 PM
Edit: I've had one go a ways I'd just forgotten about it. Summary in my following post.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 30, 2018, 01:01:20 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2018, 01:04:46 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on October 30, 2018, 01:05:37 PM
The only issue I’ve ever heard of is if the tip gets bent closed, they won’t shrapnel at close ranges and act like a pencil. That could have potentially been the issue with bobcats buck...
I’ll hopefully be smacking a whitetail here in a few weeks with the 195s, and I’ll take some pictures...
This was the exit wound at 657...
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 30, 2018, 01:29:27 PM
It got dark and I was in a hurry to get to town to get the meat on ice. This was in early September and it was hot.I'm not going to lie bobcat I'm a little surprised by this. Swearing off something and doing it publicly without giving some due process to finding out what went wrong is out of character for you.
For all you know that bullet went in and did exactly what it was supposed to :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2018, 01:48:42 PM
What went wrong is that bullet did not work like it's supposed to. That's all I need to know. I've lost confidence in them. I was already of the opinion that Bergers aren't a good elk bullet. Now in my opinion they can't be trusted for smaller game either.
I've already got quite a few boxes of Accubonds, and I'm nearly out of Bergers, so it was an easy decision. I won't be buying any more Bergers.
Post by: h20hunter on October 30, 2018, 01:51:17 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 30, 2018, 01:53:06 PM
I'm not telling anyone else what to do. I've shot deer and antelope with them, and they worked fine. Oh, and a bighorn sheep.but if you didnt open up the body cavity how do you know it didn't expand :dunno:
What went wrong is that bullet did not work like it's supposed to. That's all I need to know. I've lost confidence in them. I was already of the opinion that Bergers aren't a good elk bullet. Now in my opinion they can't be trusted for smaller game either.
I've already got quite a few boxes of Accubonds, and I'm nearly out of Bergers, so it was an easy decision. I won't be buying any more Bergers.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 30, 2018, 01:53:54 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2018, 01:55:25 PM
I'm not telling anyone else what to do. I've shot deer and antelope with them, and they worked fine. Oh, and a bighorn sheep.but if you didnt open up the body cavity how do you know it didn't expand :dunno:
What went wrong is that bullet did not work like it's supposed to. That's all I need to know. I've lost confidence in them. I was already of the opinion that Bergers aren't a good elk bullet. Now in my opinion they can't be trusted for smaller game either.
I've already got quite a few boxes of Accubonds, and I'm nearly out of Bergers, so it was an easy decision. I won't be buying any more Bergers.
I believe I said it was only a guess. It didn't kill the deer with a double lung shot is all I know.
Post by: BreezyBear on October 30, 2018, 01:57:00 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 30, 2018, 03:22:07 PM
Now if I was sure all my kills would be 300 plus I would use them as they are a great long range bullet. High velocity close range impacts on shoulders and necks etc, they have failed for me and family more then I can count on my hands.
Accubonds or eldx for me. Great at all ranges within there expansion speed zone.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 30, 2018, 03:48:14 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 30, 2018, 04:52:28 PM
I just hope nobody tells all the animals I've seen killed under 200 yards with them that they are not effective because I think they'd be really pissed that they are dead :chuckle:
I wouldn't trust anyone who talks to animals anyways, they would have a screw loose and probably shoot a creedmoor :chuckle:
Oh I know they will kill shooting them through ribs at that range. Heavy bones they are flat not designed to act like a bonded bullet and will blow up the majority of the time and require follow up shots.
Post by: jdb on October 30, 2018, 05:05:14 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 30, 2018, 06:50:29 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on October 30, 2018, 07:10:18 PM
Post by: jasnt on October 30, 2018, 07:12:00 PM
Post by: Crunchy on October 30, 2018, 08:00:32 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 30, 2018, 08:07:23 PM
I'm not brand loyal on bullets they all work. My personal guns accubonds and eldx are pretty much the choice now days. Plenty of critters die from match bullets not designed for hunting. RUN WHAT YA BRUNG :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 30, 2018, 08:25:57 PM
I've had literally the exact opposite experience. I can say with 100% certainty that neck, shoulder, vital, and everything in between that I've never seen a berger failure. Cant say the same about barnes. Nosler are all great. Eldx dont excite me much on the performance scale. To me they perform like a high bc ballistic tipI just hope nobody tells all the animals I've seen killed under 200 yards with them that they are not effective because I think they'd be really pissed that they are dead :chuckle:
I wouldn't trust anyone who talks to animals anyways, they would have a screw loose and probably shoot a creedmoor :chuckle:
Oh I know they will kill shooting them through ribs at that range. Heavy bones they are flat not designed to act like a bonded bullet and will blow up the majority of the time and require follow up shots.
Post by: Curly on October 30, 2018, 08:29:17 PM
The only issue I’ve ever heard of is if the tip gets bent closed, they won’t shrapnel at close ranges and act like a pencil. That could have potentially been the issue with bobcats buck...
That's likely what happened. The entrance and exit hole were the same size. The bullet likely penciled right through.
Post by: M_ray on October 30, 2018, 08:43:02 PM
It got dark and I was in a hurry to get to town to get the meat on ice. This was in early September and it was hot.I'm not going to lie bobcat I'm a little surprised by this. Swearing off something and doing it publicly without giving some due process to finding out what went wrong is out of character for you.
For all you know that bullet went in and did exactly what it was supposed to :dunno:
:chuckle:
Post by: M_ray on October 30, 2018, 09:00:49 PM
Post by: mountainman on October 30, 2018, 09:24:22 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 30, 2018, 09:38:07 PM
I've had literally the exact opposite experience. I can say with 100% certainty that neck, shoulder, vital, and everything in between that I've never seen a berger failure. Cant say the same about barnes. Nosler are all great. Eldx dont excite me much on the performance scale. To me they perform like a high bc ballistic tipI just hope nobody tells all the animals I've seen killed under 200 yards with them that they are not effective because I think they'd be really pissed that they are dead :chuckle:
I wouldn't trust anyone who talks to animals anyways, they would have a screw loose and probably shoot a creedmoor :chuckle:
Oh I know they will kill shooting them through ribs at that range. Heavy bones they are flat not designed to act like a bonded bullet and will blow up the majority of the time and require follow up shots.
Yup as with most things results very. What ticks me off is I have put over a dz eldx into animals and haven’t recovered one bullet!!! Would love to dig some out and see. At close range I see ballistic tip results and around 4-5 and plus they act more like a accubond.
At least your shooting Rad broadheads so I still have faith :chuckle:
I even hacked up and modified a couple tikka mags and those things are expensive to make the bergers work they shot so good and long range stuff was great preformace. Was the close stuff that turned me off.
Barnes rifle bullets suck for me I have had failures with them as well. I only shoot them in muzzleloaders and handguns and they work great in them.
Post by: Kenaiwild on October 30, 2018, 10:03:22 PM
Post by: bullfisher on October 30, 2018, 11:01:48 PM
I suppose improper seating dies for non vld bullets could do the same and smash them closed.
I've never tested this theory myself but I assume the rare fmj like performance from them in the past, could suggest that it has some truth.. :twocents:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 31, 2018, 04:23:04 AM
Post by: kentrek on October 31, 2018, 04:53:24 AM
There will never be a perfect bullet for everyone
..compramise for confidence
Post by: jasnt on October 31, 2018, 05:21:17 AM
Nice bear Jasnt👍thank you
Post by: Curly on October 31, 2018, 08:41:06 AM
About halfway through the thread there is a buddy of Mike's from Hells Canyon Armory telling of 4 failures he had where the bullet penciled thru.
Anyway, it's a long thread and has some very good info if anyone cares to take a look. Sounds like a good idea to check that the hole in the tips is opened up all the way to the lead.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 31, 2018, 09:06:45 AM
Post by: Bob33 on October 31, 2018, 09:09:30 AM
I’ve not used Bergers and probably never will. They appear to have a fair number of fans and detractors. I suspect that’s true of most bullets.
I’ve personally had good experience with Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets. The current count is 53 dead animals recovered, with none lost or followed for an unreasonable distance.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 31, 2018, 09:26:15 AM
I switched to berger not because of other bullets shortcomings but do to all the spectacular kills I observed while helping others on hunts. From point blank to WAY out there, they have been flawless in my observations.
In the end, shoot what you want because nobody cares except you. Just dont publicly discredit a company and their product if you haven't done your due diligence to confirm that it did in fact fail :twocents:
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 31, 2018, 09:55:21 AM
Post by: Curly on October 31, 2018, 10:01:30 AM
I don't see telling of a bad performance of a bullet as bashing a company. If someone has a bad experience and doesn't want to use said bullets, they are free to do so and tell people about it if they wish.
Post by: bobcat on October 31, 2018, 10:27:29 AM
I like experimenting with lots of different bullets. I'm done with Bergers for now. For future hunts I've got Accubonds for my 270 Win., 200 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips and 185 grain Barnes TSX for my 338 Win. Mag., 178 grain Hornady ELD-X for the Weatherby 30/06.
I've also got a bunch of .308 Partitions (150 grain) and some .308 Sierra's (also 150 grain) to try in my Husqvarna 30/06.
I really do like the copper bullets though and if I had more time to work up loads I'd likely use nothing but Nosler E Tips and Barnes ttsx. The issue I've had is that it generally takes longer to find an accurate load with these bullets.
And speaking of accuracy, boy those ELD-X bullets REALLY have some potential. I've only loaded up a few so far but they are one of the most accurate bullets I've ever tried.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 31, 2018, 10:29:41 AM
Post by: bobcat on October 31, 2018, 10:31:35 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 31, 2018, 10:37:38 AM
Maybe you werent. No worries.it wasnt. It was a general observation I've made over the years. Most "failures" were not in fact failures. Of course it happens but more often then not its operator error. And many folks wont follow up enough to determine what happened.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 31, 2018, 12:51:23 PM
@carp, once again I've had very different results with the eldx. I've gotten jacket/core separation on every single animal I've shot with the eldx. Lot of copper jackets somewhere around here. I personally dont care as like Mray stated, I want my bullet to get in there and really make a mess of things. I like my vitals scrambled
Its unreal that you can find the eldx bullet in every animal you shoot. I have not found one "from tiny black buck to elk and aoudad" in the dozens I have put into critters, amazing how much results very.
I agree making a mess inside is what we all want but the bullet has to get in there to do so. The bergers I have hit heavy bone with at close range did not get in and make a mess.
I respect your opinions as there is only a handful of guys shooting the amount of animals you and myself shoot each year. I have 5 this year and with some luck 8-9 will fall. 7 a year being my avg big game for the year. Plus the amounts of people you help and the people I help and guide. We see a lot of animal killed each year. However see very different results.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 31, 2018, 12:57:49 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 31, 2018, 01:03:38 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 31, 2018, 01:40:59 PM
I have not found any in tact bullets only jackets with the core or some combination of the two. @Bullblaster helped me break down a Wyoming buck last year that stood there and soaked up 3 212gr out of my wsm. We found 2 of the 3 jackets.What range?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 31, 2018, 02:02:05 PM
If I remember correctly it was around 300-340 yards or so.I have not found any in tact bullets only jackets with the core or some combination of the two. @Bullblaster helped me break down a Wyoming buck last year that stood there and soaked up 3 212gr out of my wsm. We found 2 of the 3 jackets.What range?
Post by: hunter399 on October 31, 2018, 02:11:03 PM
Thats all I'm say in. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 31, 2018, 02:15:23 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 31, 2018, 02:17:21 PM
yep 340 yards but shot it for 300. Also found a jacket on a cow elk at 100 yards and I pulled the jacket out of the Hide of a Colorado mule deer that I shot at 800 yards. The only kill that I had with that bullet that was one of those hot damn moments was an Idaho bull last year. It was a very steep downhill angle and I took him between the shoulder blades. Flatout hot sauce Tim! It was snowing profusely and getting very dark very fast so there was no dissection on that one. Mike and I one trip that elk 6 miles cross country. We ended up getting cliffed out and had to spend the night with no gear. Added multiple points of argument about how much elk hunting is the worst thing ever :chuckle:If I remember correctly it was around 300-340 yards or so.I have not found any in tact bullets only jackets with the core or some combination of the two. @Bullblaster helped me break down a Wyoming buck last year that stood there and soaked up 3 212gr out of my wsm. We found 2 of the 3 jackets.What range?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 31, 2018, 02:20:46 PM
Its great to hear that/get feedback as I have not found anything of any of mine. All I can do so far is look at the entrance exit and what is done to the vitals and bone. All of mine are in 6.5 and 7 between 3100-3300 fps. I haven't got to play with any of the 30 cal but I do have some for my 30-378 I have been wanting to test out.all the jackets I've recovered have been from the 212gr in 30 cal. Always in the hide on the opposite side.
ACCUBONDSarguably the greatest bullet ever made so basically there's nothing to argue about so why talk about them :chuckle:
Thats all I'm say in. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on October 31, 2018, 02:25:11 PM
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 31, 2018, 02:31:47 PM
Should I shoot a deer next week in the shoulder with my 195 Berger’s for science?Only if it’s inside 200 yards.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 31, 2018, 02:37:48 PM
Should I shoot a deer next week in the shoulder with my 195 Berger’s for science?Only if it’s inside 200 yards.
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Correct but make sure you are ready for a follow up :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 31, 2018, 02:38:44 PM
Its great to hear that/get feedback as I have not found anything of any of mine. All I can do so far is look at the entrance exit and what is done to the vitals and bone. All of mine are in 6.5 and 7 between 3100-3300 fps. I haven't got to play with any of the 30 cal but I do have some for my 30-378 I have been wanting to test out.all the jackets I've recovered have been from the 212gr in 30 cal. Always in the hide on the opposite side.ACCUBONDSarguably the greatest bullet ever made so basically there's nothing to argue about so why talk about them :chuckle:
Thats all I'm say in. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Yes agree don't derail us :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 31, 2018, 02:39:54 PM
I did two weeks ago at 90 yards but with a 185gr at 3110fps. Does that still count for science :dunno:Should I shoot a deer next week in the shoulder with my 195 Berger’s for science?Only if it’s inside 200 yards.
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 31, 2018, 02:41:27 PM
Should I shoot a deer next week in the shoulder with my 195 Berger’s for science?I wouldn’t shoot it anywhere else with that flyswatter :)
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Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on October 31, 2018, 02:43:34 PM
Should I shoot a deer next week in the shoulder with my 195 Berger’s for science?I wouldn’t shoot it anywhere else with that flyswatter :)
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Anytime, anywhere old man!
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 31, 2018, 02:54:01 PM
:chuckle:Should I shoot a deer next week in the shoulder with my 195 Berger’s for science?Only if it’s inside 200 yards.
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Correct but make sure you are ready for a follow up :chuckle:
Post by: tlbradford on October 31, 2018, 03:25:35 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 31, 2018, 03:58:04 PM
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