Post by: stickslinger on April 23, 2018, 05:56:17 AM
Post by: Alex4200 on April 23, 2018, 06:24:15 AM
Post by: jackmaster on April 23, 2018, 06:32:46 AM
It wouldn’t have anything to do with that half the land around that lake is privately held and they started developing it into orchard land last fall. Or the fact that this is a holding reservoir for a private company and public use is hampering their operation. Or the fact that the amount of trash left there is getting pretty bad. I am sure it is just one group wanting to get their way. :tup:from the sounds of it by your examples ALL the lakes should be closed then right? Or given to specialty groups ??
Post by: BigGoonTuna on April 23, 2018, 06:58:00 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2018, 08:34:15 AM
Post by: Mossy on April 23, 2018, 08:38:48 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2018, 08:56:24 AM
I'm assuming he's referring to the younger kids that aren't quite ready to grasp fly fishing yet?
OK, but it's not flyfishing only. It's just single barbless hooks, no bait.
My kid is 10 and she's been fishing since she was 5-ish. She's totally capable of using a lure like a spinner or a spoon or something, and catch and release means the lake won't get fished out in a few weekends. I guess they can't keep fish anymore, which I can see disappointing some folks.
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on April 23, 2018, 09:17:15 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2018, 09:24:06 AM
Seems like it is just a different opportunity for kids. They can learn what conservation is and a different method of fishing other than Powerbait fishing. My son learned to fly fish at the age of 6. By 12 he was amazing. It fuels his passion today at 25.
This.
Post by: 92xj on April 23, 2018, 09:27:18 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2018, 09:27:48 AM
Is fly fishing better than power bait fishing?
Depends who you ask and what you mean by "better"
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2018, 09:31:57 AM
There are groups of hunters who are actively complaining that there are no elk to shoot...and also complaining because of the reduced number of cow tags. You can't have both. You can have a lake that fishes good for a month for planter fish then gets fished out and people freak out, or you can have a lake that is catch and release that fishes good for extended periods until it heats up and the fish go deep and don't eat. There are lots and lots and lots of lakes to fish if you want to fish bait and keep planter fish.
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2018, 09:32:42 AM
Is fly fishing better than power bait fishing?
Depends who you ask and what you mean by "better"
But I will reiterate that this lake is not restricted to fly fishing only either. Not sure why the fly fishing thing keeps coming up.
Post by: Curly on April 23, 2018, 09:39:19 AM
Is fly fishing better than power bait fishing?
Depends who you ask and what you mean by "better"
But I will reiterate that this lake is not restricted to fly fishing only either. Not sure why the fly fishing thing keeps coming up.
Apparently fly fishing part came up because a fly-fishing club was vocal about getting the lake changed to be single barbless and no bait.
Post by: Alchase on April 23, 2018, 10:04:40 AM
Is fly fishing better than power bait fishing?
They sure look better but only if they are wearing their custom LL Bean waders and vest, and have you traditional wood net strapped a crossed your back and their $2500 Adirondack Full-Flex Bamboo fly rod.
I jest of course...
or do I, :chuckle:
:fishin:
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on April 23, 2018, 10:06:24 AM
Is fly fishing better than power bait fishing?
Depends who you ask and what you mean by "better"
No, and it is certainly a great way to get kids hooked on fishing. I still do it occasionally. Like Jackalope said, it is analogous to the hunting community. Is Archery better than Rifle? They get a better season.......They get to shoot cows (elk) when rifle hunters don't....Remember that for many types of salmon fishing and sturgeon fishing, the rule is already one barbless hook.
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on April 23, 2018, 10:32:58 AM
Doug
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37856/37856-h/37856-h.htm
Dr. William T. Hornaday, author of Wild Life Conservation, The American Natural History, Our Vanishing Wild Life, etc., and director of the New York Zoölogical Park, has sent me the photograph of the greedyman's catch—made near Spokane, Washington—with the following notes:
"The great trouble [in the matter of wasteful fish-catching] is not so much with the people who catch fish as with the brutally destructive laws that permit fishermen to catch four or five times as many fish as they should. There are a great many sportsmen who sincerely believe that it is all right to take all the fish and game of all kinds that the law allows. Whenever any destruction is waged on that basis I always charge it to the abominably liberal laws that in many cases seemed framed to promote destruction. Ninety-nine per cent. of the streams of this country very soon will be so nearly destitute of fish that fishing will become a lost art. In the Rocky Mountains the overfishing abuse is particularly vicious and destructive because in those cold streams the fish mature slowly, their food is very scarce and dear, and the fish are so hungry that they are easily caught. It is an easy matter to completely fish out a mountain stream in the Rocky Mountain region or in the Pacific States. In the State of Wyoming some very aggravated cases of wanton fish destruction by indifferent rod and line fishermen have lately been brought to my attention."
Dr. Hornaday is an Angler, and his views and practices are endorsed by all Anglers.
Post by: ribka on April 23, 2018, 11:14:13 AM
Is fly fishing better than power bait fishing?
When I fly fish it is
:chuckle:
There are many variations to single barbless fishing
Helped many get into fly fishing using the clear bobber on spinning gear and a fly
Jigs and spoons small rapalas with hooks replaced work great for trout too
I learned to cast spinning rod age 4 and fly rod age 8
Is this another helpless kids thread?
No one can deny the amount of trash left at lakes that allow bait fishing
Post by: banishd on April 23, 2018, 11:17:10 AM
Post by: 92xj on April 23, 2018, 11:21:11 AM
Is fly fishing better than power bait fishing?
When I fly fish it is
:chuckle:
Of course...you're better at everything :chuckle:
I imagine you fly fishing is like watching the last place jockey, with two wins under her belt, in the third race of the triple crown waving that little wand all over the place.
Post by: JeffRaines on April 23, 2018, 11:27:30 AM
This is when I decided to go the opposite direction. I do enjoy eating fish on occasion, but nowadays I only keep what I plan on eating that evening(if anything). For me - I find a lot more excitement and happiness in actually feeling a tug on the line and reeling in a fish... much more than I feel looking at a freezer full of frozen fish. To be able to go out and feel that multiple times in one day? I'd gladly make that trade. Besides, the fresh fish cooks up better and tastes better in my experience.
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2018, 11:38:02 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 23, 2018, 12:02:01 PM
Planter trout taste like crap. That's my biggest reason for releasing them. If I'm out fishing the salt and catch a nice king or silver and it's legal, it's coming home. Walleye, perch, etc...yummy. Bring it home. Trout from an essentially warm water lake...yuck.:yeah:Haven't eaten a planted trout since I was a kid. Now I did eat a back country trout, assuming it wasnt planted, and it was awesome!
Post by: jackmaster on April 23, 2018, 12:06:01 PM
Planter trout taste like crap. That's my biggest reason for releasing them. If I'm out fishing the salt and catch a nice king or silver and it's legal, it's coming home. Walleye, perch, etc...yummy. Bring it home. Trout from an essentially warm water lake...yuck.:yeah: I can't stand trout, but blue lake up out if Cyprus is a nice little hike, it's a deep blue beautiful high mountain lake and the big ole trout you catch in that lake are actually worth eating, of course I build a small fire and cook them right out of the lake , salt pepper onion and lemon and it's on :tup:
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on April 23, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
Doug
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on April 23, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
Planter trout taste like crap. That's my biggest reason for releasing them. If I'm out fishing the salt and catch a nice king or silver and it's legal, it's coming home. Walleye, perch, etc...yummy. Bring it home. Trout from an essentially warm water lake...yuck.:yeah:Haven't eaten a planted trout since I was a kid. Now I did eat a back country trout, assuming it wasnt planted, and it was awesome!
I call them put and take trout. Taste like bad grits.
Post by: stickslinger on April 23, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Post by: Alex4200 on April 23, 2018, 07:16:51 PM
Here is my take on this, and it is only my opinion, because I really don’t know all the facts.
#1 - this is a private reservoir, not a public lake. It was built for irrigation purposes only. It is operated and maintained by the Wenatchee Heights Irrigation District.
#2 - for years it was not opened to the public even though it is boarded on one side by public land. The state worked with WHID to get this opened up for public use.
#3 - the upper Wheeler Reservoir used to open to public access. The reservoir was shut off to the public because too many “nasty” things happened to the water quality there because of miss-use. This reservoir is a source of drinking water for Wenatchee Heights.
#4 - the fly fishing club was able to get the reservoir reopened for limited use provided nothing happened to degrade the water quality.
#5 - my guess is that WHID was fed up with what was happening to “their” reservoir and made a decision to shut off public access. Remember this is a private reservoir.
#6 - it is also my guess that the fly fishing club caught wind of the pending shut down and stepped up to provide a solution to keep public access partially opened based on what has taken place at Upper Wheeler Resevior over the last few years.
Again, these are all just my opinions. But the title of this thread is pointing a finger at one user group. And that user group probably did more to keep the water open to the public, although limited, than anyone pointing fingers.
Post by: fish vacuum on April 23, 2018, 10:15:39 PM
Post by: winshooter88 on April 23, 2018, 11:57:22 PM
Post by: stickslinger on April 24, 2018, 05:38:48 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 24, 2018, 06:40:39 AM
I think she would have ate fish 6 days a week.
Even in Washington the catch limits growing up I remember when it was 16 or 18 trout a day per person. Families would go camping and they caught fish. I spoke with the region head Bio and he feels Brooke Trout are an invasive species in Washington and should perhaps be removed. But then that would also include the German Brown's
One of the latest crazes is Bass fishing. I fish a lake that with the slot limits I have watched folks filleting bass under 10 inches. I do think my wife could read her prayers thru them. But a decent sized bass has to be released. The fish in the lake have seen every spinner bait, soft plastic and hard bait known to man. This is a cold water lake where the bass grow slooowy and several years ago the WFDW in their infinite wisdom planted them and had a brain storm to make it a warm water species lake with a additional fee for the luxury of fishing the lake. Fortunately the plan feel through.
I think we all have seen some type of over harvest on the resources.
Here is what is planted on a weekly basis.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/plants/weekly/
Post by: 2labs on April 24, 2018, 09:01:34 PM
Is fly fishing better than power bait fishing?
They sure look better but only if they are wearing their custom LL Bean waders and vest, and have you traditional wood net strapped a crossed your back and their $2500 Adirondack Full-Flex Bamboo fly rod.
I jest of course...
or do I, :chuckle:
:fishin:
A River runs thru it. Sold a lot of fly rods! The new purist.