Post by: TeacherMan on May 06, 2018, 07:47:19 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on May 06, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
Post by: zwickeyman on May 06, 2018, 08:34:44 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 07, 2018, 06:33:51 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on May 07, 2018, 07:14:46 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2018, 07:15:28 AM
They're becoming more acclimated to humans and will keep coming closer. For you wolf lovers, this is the huge difference between our wolves and other predators. They have no fear of humans, no memory of danger. First they'll start eating garbage late at night, then during the day, each time sizing up the humans with whom they come in contact. Wolves act the same all over the world. It won't be long now before they discover how easy humans are to prey on.
I didn't think wolf attacks on humans were very common.
Post by: Whitpirate on May 07, 2018, 07:29:45 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2018, 07:39:34 AM
Don’t tell that to the Siberians.
OK, but relatively speaking...
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 07, 2018, 08:03:44 AM
They're becoming more acclimated to humans and will keep coming closer. For you wolf lovers, this is the huge difference between our wolves and other predators. They have no fear of humans, no memory of danger. First they'll start eating garbage late at night, then during the day, each time sizing up the humans with whom they come in contact. Wolves act the same all over the world. It won't be long now before they discover how easy humans are to prey on.
I didn't think wolf attacks on humans were very common.
They're quite common, especially in areas where they're not harmed. In Russia, where the population is unarmed for the most part, every 20-30 years the government must go out and wipe out packs of wolves that have become acclimated and unafraid of people. During the 1900s and as recently as a decade ago, hundreds of attacks have been recorded. The same has happened in Scandinavia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Iran. Wolf behavior doesn't change from country to country. They go after wildlife. When that decreases, they go after livestock and start becoming comfortable around humans. Garbage is next. Then they start testing humans and their reactions as possible prey. You should read more about wolves around the world. We're headed in this direction.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 07, 2018, 09:42:16 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on May 07, 2018, 09:43:52 AM
Hold the phone here. How could you see 4 at once? WDFW says there's only 122 in the state. We should all trust the WDFW, right?
Simple he stated they are on the Idaho/ Washington border. These are Idaho wolves who are just on a sightseeing trip. :chuckle:
Possibly from the Signal peak pack that is working over the Mica Peak Moose.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 07, 2018, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: buglebrush on May 07, 2018, 10:10:02 AM
They're becoming more acclimated to humans and will keep coming closer. For you wolf lovers, this is the huge difference between our wolves and other predators. They have no fear of humans, no memory of danger. First they'll start eating garbage late at night, then during the day, each time sizing up the humans with whom they come in contact. Wolves act the same all over the world. It won't be long now before they discover how easy humans are to prey on.
I didn't think wolf attacks on humans were very common.
They're quite common, especially in areas where they're not harmed. In Russia, where the population is unarmed for the most part, every 20-30 years the government must go out and wipe out packs of wolves that have become acclimated and unafraid of people. During the 1900s and as recently as a decade ago, hundreds of attacks have been recorded. The same has happened in Scandinavia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Iran. Wolf behavior doesn't change from country to country. They go after wildlife. When that decreases, they go after livestock and start becoming comfortable around humans. Garbage is next. Then they start testing humans and their reactions as possible prey. You should read more about wolves around the world. We're headed in this direction.
Valid point. The fact that wolves were/are shot at on sight in North America has surely skewed the Data compared to other countries. They're highly intelligent. The stories from my trapper friends are crazy with how smart they are.
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2018, 10:37:38 AM
They're becoming more acclimated to humans and will keep coming closer. For you wolf lovers, this is the huge difference between our wolves and other predators. They have no fear of humans, no memory of danger. First they'll start eating garbage late at night, then during the day, each time sizing up the humans with whom they come in contact. Wolves act the same all over the world. It won't be long now before they discover how easy humans are to prey on.
I didn't think wolf attacks on humans were very common.
They're quite common, especially in areas where they're not harmed. In Russia, where the population is unarmed for the most part, every 20-30 years the government must go out and wipe out packs of wolves that have become acclimated and unafraid of people. During the 1900s and as recently as a decade ago, hundreds of attacks have been recorded. The same has happened in Scandinavia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Iran. Wolf behavior doesn't change from country to country. They go after wildlife. When that decreases, they go after livestock and start becoming comfortable around humans. Garbage is next. Then they start testing humans and their reactions as possible prey. You should read more about wolves around the world. We're headed in this direction.
As you suggested I hit the googler and did some reading. I'd assume we'd be comparing apples to apples. Kazakhstan has roughly 90,000 wolves per a survey in 2007, which is the biggest wolf population of any country anywhere in the world. There are wolf bounty hunters, trappers and the native people hunt them with golden eagles. Canada is 3 times the size of Kazakhstan and has roughly 60k wolves. Russia is at roughly 45,000 wolves. Poachers have decimated the wolves food source in Kazakhstan too. 1.5m antelope to 40k antelope. There has been 50 wolf attacks on humans in Kazakhstan since the 80's.
Not a wolf lover, just trying to see reality.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 07, 2018, 10:47:45 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 07, 2018, 10:51:20 AM
10 cases through history. http://www.toptenz.net/10-crazy-terrifying-wolfpack-attacks.php
Post by: idahohuntr on May 07, 2018, 11:01:39 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 07, 2018, 11:08:22 AM
Two take-aways: 1) without firearms, quite a few more fatal attacks would have occurred in North America, and 2) in predatory wolf attacks, gunshots and even killing multiple wolves has not deterred the remainder of the pack from attacking and sometimes killing the armed victims.
Reading the details of the attacks, fatal and nonfatal, reinforces my opinion that a key to coexisting with large carnivores is hunting to continuously cull the boldest and most aggressive disproportionately. Shy large carnivore populations, whether bears, cats or wolves, are key to limiting human injuries and deaths, and to the longterm persistence of those populations.
Where large carnivore populations are not hunted, notably parks (and states with regard to wolves), management agencies should be much more aggressive in removing bold individuals from populations and should respond to credible reports of bold individuals displaying curious or aggressive behaviors in the same manner as attacks.