Post by: bornhunter on May 12, 2018, 09:10:39 AM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 12, 2018, 07:41:22 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on May 12, 2018, 08:06:01 PM
Not that I know anything about moose but it makes sense that in units they give out more tags there is probably more moose.come on, you think that’s really the case lol
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Post by: bornhunter on May 12, 2018, 09:38:00 PM
So when you are chasing the "bear" snoop around.
Leaving Wednesday. Will stay till saturday then home. Then leave on the 21st hopefully staying till the end of the month.
Post by: bearpaw on May 12, 2018, 09:58:10 PM
We hunted the Parker Lake unit for 11 days last October. Saw grand total of two bulls and one cow. We did fill the tag, but according to the statistics on WDFW we were the only ones of four tag holders to be successful. I don’t know what’s going on up there, but clearly the population is down.
Sadly your story is typical of what is going on with our moose. I've been raving for several years now how the moose are disappearing. I know some hunters are hunting almost every day of the season to fill their tag. I've discussed this with other knowledgeable local hunters, including friends who used to shed hunt primarily for moose sheds, they have mostly quit focusing on moose sheds because there are so few to be found now. I would say moose are maybe 30% of the population we had 5 to 10 years ago.
I hunted an area last fall for moose with a hunter that in past years I would average seeing 5 to 10 bulls a day. last fall we hunted 7 days and you can count the bulls we saw on one hand. :bash:
TICKS & WOLVES
Some people will try to blame it all on ticks but that doesn't explain the moose hair in the wolf turds and the fact that there are very few moose calves and mostly adult moose which are harder for wolves to kill? Most moose units have been hit by both ticks and wolves. This is nothing new, all the other states with wolves had their moose disappear when wolves multiplied. Now that Idaho is killing wolves for several years now we are actually seeing more moose again in several units, killing wolves is helping moose recover in Idaho.
But, don't hold your breath for WA to manage wolves! I expect WA moose to get fewer in numbers every year as wolves climb in numbers! Moose are almost non-existent in Yellowstone today!
ELK & DEER
Elk are still increasing in most areas of NE WA, I don't think the wolves are impacting elk nearly as bad as the moose, we are still seeing as many or more elk every year in most areas. Whitetail are rebounding from the blue tongue and bad winter too, better in some areas than others, especially increasing around private land. Mule Deer just keep disappearing, cougar focus on mule deer and there are simply way too many cats plus wolves now!
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 12, 2018, 10:04:32 PM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 12, 2018, 10:07:35 PM
We hunted the Parker Lake unit for 11 days last October. Saw grand total of two bulls and one cow. We did fill the tag, but according to the statistics on WDFW we were the only ones of four tag holders to be successful. I don’t know what’s going on up there, but clearly the population is down.
Your story is typical of what is going on with our moose. I've been raving for several years now how the moose are disappearing. I know some hunters are hunting almost every day of the season to fill their tag. I've discussed this with other knowledgeable local hunters, including friends who used to shed hunt primarily for moose sheds, they have mostly quit focusing on moose sheds because there are so few to be found now. I would say moose are maybe 30% of the population we had 5 to 10 years ago.
TICKS & WOLVES
Some people will try to blame it all on ticks but that doesn't explain the moose hair in the wolf turds and the fact that there are very few moose calves? Most moose units have been hit by both ticks and wolves. This is nothing new, all the other states with wolves had their moose disappear when wolves multiplied. Now that Idaho is killing wolves for several years now we are actually seeing more moose again, it's making a difference.
But, don't hold your breath for WA to manage wolves! I expect WA moose to get fewer in numbers every year as wolves climb in numbers!
Total B.S. Something needs to be done about the leftist WDFW. Why can't hunting groups file lawsuits against them and the conservation groups, or has it been done ?
Post by: RB on May 12, 2018, 10:08:07 PM
Keep an eye out on the flooding. The entire Curlew area lowlands is just about ready to put in ferry service, it's bad.
Don't get east side news on the west side whats going on around Curlew/Republic?? And yes Moose sign has been down from what I have seen.
Post by: bornhunter on May 13, 2018, 07:24:58 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on May 13, 2018, 07:37:42 AM
Any reason why the problem can be taken care of without the state's help?
You’d get less time in prison for shooting a Homo Sapien.
Post by: sagerat on May 13, 2018, 09:06:24 AM
Post by: bornhunter on May 13, 2018, 09:31:50 PM
Any reason why the problem can be taken care of without the state's help?
You’d get less time in prison for shooting a Homo Sapien.
Its all about keeping quiet. Loose lips sinks ships!
Post by: bearpaw on May 17, 2018, 10:42:31 AM
Is there anything at all that can be done about the ticks? I’d donate to the cause if there was one.
That's a good question! Moose numbers might quit dropping if one of the big problems was solved. We can't do much about wolves but ticks are not an endangered specie. It seems I heard that dogs treated with Ivermectin would become tick free. I wonder if moose could be darted with Ivermectin?
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Post by: B4noon on May 17, 2018, 11:06:56 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 17, 2018, 11:32:12 AM
Post by: sagerat on May 17, 2018, 12:17:26 PM
Next, I'm wondering why volunteers couldn't be trained and allowed to dart moose at a good time of the year for doing that?
Great idea
Post by: vandeman17 on May 17, 2018, 12:18:00 PM
Next, I'm wondering why volunteers couldn't be trained and allowed to dart moose at a good time of the year for doing that?
Sign me up!
Post by: B4noon on May 17, 2018, 04:19:36 PM
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Post by: WAcoyotehunter on May 18, 2018, 01:54:48 PM
I will look into it. that would be great!Is there anything at all that can be done about the ticks? I’d donate to the cause if there was one.
That's a good question! Moose numbers might quit dropping if one of the big problems was solved. We can't do much about wolves but ticks are not an endangered specie. It seems I heard that dogs treated with Ivermectin would become tick free. I wonder if moose could be darted with Ivermectin?
@WAcoyotehunter
Post by: bearpaw on May 18, 2018, 05:02:24 PM
I will look into it. that would be great!Is there anything at all that can be done about the ticks? I’d donate to the cause if there was one.
That's a good question! Moose numbers might quit dropping if one of the big problems was solved. We can't do much about wolves but ticks are not an endangered specie. It seems I heard that dogs treated with Ivermectin would become tick free. I wonder if moose could be darted with Ivermectin?
@WAcoyotehunter
:tup:
Post by: sagerat on May 19, 2018, 07:50:39 PM
I will look into it. that would be great!Is there anything at all that can be done about the ticks? I’d donate to the cause if there was one.:tup: :tup:
That's a good question! Moose numbers might quit dropping if one of the big problems was solved. We can't do much about wolves but ticks are not an endangered specie. It seems I heard that dogs treated with Ivermectin would become tick free. I wonder if moose could be darted with Ivermectin?
@WAcoyotehunter
:tup:
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 10:54:05 PM
Is it effective against ticks?
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 10:02:03 PM
We use ivermectin as a wormer.
Is it effective against ticks?
Ya, they suck poisoned blood and drop off in a few days. Ticks don't have a blood brain barrier like mammals do, ivomec doesn't penetrate that blood brain barrier very well so mammals are safer with it their system.
Some mammals have a sensitivity (think allergy) to it so they get less of a dose. Pigs can nearly drink the stuff.
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 10:08:11 PM
I'm more interested in iversalt now instead of darting moose, just put out a salt lick laced with ivomec. The Russian's are testing it with good results.
Abstract
As test objects served elks and dappled deer infested with helminths. The purpose of this work is to study the efficacy of a new antiparasitic drug «Ivirsalt» used for prevention of helminth infection in wild hoofed animals. The therapeutic efficacy of new anthelmintic drug «Ivirsalt» for nematodosis of wild hoofed animals was tested on 120 dappled deer, 7 elks and 1 roe deeron the territory of Losiny Ostrov National Park (Elk Island), Moscow. «Ivirsalt» is provided in form of salt lick briquettes with a mass of 5 kg containing the active ingredient ivermectin and sodium chloride in the proportion 0, 1: 99, and 9. We put salt lick briquettes to the feed-troughs on feeding places and saline soils based on the average daily salt consumption. The preparation was given within 14 days taking into account that animals approach salt lick briquettes not less than once a week. To determine the efficacy of preparation by the method of coproscopy the fecal samples were collected before and every 10 days after distribution of salt lick briquettes. Materials and methods: Standard lifetime and post-mortem helminthological examinations of animals (coproovoscopy, K.I. Skryabin method of full postmortem helminthological examination, 1928). The research results showed that the intensity of gastrointestinal nematode infestations of dappled deer aged 1,5 to 3 years has decreased by 5,4 times, in deer older than 3 years-by 3,1 times.
Use of Salt lick Briquettes «Ivirsalt» on... (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304809183_Use_of_Salt_lick_Briquettes_Ivirsalt_on_Natural_Areas_of_Preferential_Protection_in_Russia_for_the_Prevention_of_Parasitic_Diseases_in_Wild_Hoofed_Animals [accessed May 21 2018].
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 10:20:24 PM
https://wildlife.state.nh.us/wildlife/moose/index.html
The best ways to reduce the impacts of winter ticks would be to add back the three weeks of winter we have lost due to climate change, or reduce moose density. That said, we don’t know, given the current weather parameters, what moose density may be most effective for balancing the reduction of tick impacts, while maintaining a viable moose population. Barring the longer winters or fewer moose scenarios, there is no viable way to reduce ticks on the landscape. Many people have written in suggesting we:
put tick collars on moose;
hunt the animals with paintballs filled with insecticide;
put up cattle rollers that would automatically apply insecticide to moose that walked under them;
place insecticide-laced salt licks out for moose;
spray the woods to eliminate ticks;
burn the woods to eliminate ticks; or
release robots that would apply insecticide to the ground;
stock guinea fowl to eat the ticks.
Let’s address these suggestions individually:
Ivermectin, when ingested in the proper dose, does eliminate ticks from moose. Getting the right dose into the moose on a monthly basis is the problem. This has been used with some success in Texas on deer using corn as bait, but they are now finding that the ticks of concern are developing immunity to both ingested and applied acaricides. In addition, the time of year when ticks are infesting moose is the time of year when moose are least likely to come to any bait.
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
Here's a big old pregger cow I came across today, she was bagged up and had a droopy vulva, so she's ready to drop soon.
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on May 22, 2018, 08:22:28 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 23, 2018, 06:02:09 AM
We have found two dead moose this spring so far, wasn't sure what killed them, most likely ticks or wolves.
Post by: Axle on May 23, 2018, 06:22:08 AM
One thing to keep in mind: over in euroland, elk are what we call moose.
Some folks don't know that.
It's an interesting story as to why we call them moose but that's for another thread.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 23, 2018, 06:22:15 AM
Wolves haven't got them all yet :tup:Is it just me or does she look horrible?
Here's a big old pregger cow I came across today, she was bagged up and had a droopy vulva, so she's ready to drop soon.
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on May 23, 2018, 05:47:07 PM
Ribs showing and hair loss on front quarters. That's what she looks like to me. Lets hope he has that baby and recovers back to being fat and happy.Wolves haven't got them all yet :tup:Is it just me or does she look horrible?
Here's a big old pregger cow I came across today, she was bagged up and had a droopy vulva, so she's ready to drop soon.
Post by: KFhunter on May 23, 2018, 07:31:13 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on May 23, 2018, 08:39:14 PM
She didn't look to bad for just coming out of winter in the wolf epicenter of WA, she blew her winter coat and she was an older cow, but all in all didn't look to bad. The bino's showed a lot more than the crappy cell picture.I believe you. As I said though, lets hope she drops a good healthy calf and fattens herself and that baby up for future generations!
Post by: acnewman55 on May 23, 2018, 10:43:49 PM
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