Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 08:53:07 AM
Post by: jstone on May 16, 2018, 08:56:01 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 09:00:31 AM
I will be right behind you, once my points are gone
I have a good chunk of quality deer points so once those are gone, I am out of that game as well and will just be buying OIL applications. I just can't justify $13 per app, which will most definitely continue to go up, to have horrible odds at drawing a hunt with similar quality to out of state hunts that I can do every year.
Post by: Crunchy on May 16, 2018, 09:05:00 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 09:10:24 AM
I hear what you are saying. i have 14 pts for bull elk and look at the permits scratching my head what is worth putting in for on the west side. Isnt a lot for an archery elk guy to get excited about.
Ever since they took away the teanaway late muzzy bull elk permits I stopped applying
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 16, 2018, 09:23:22 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 09:28:15 AM
It doesn’t cost a lot to apply for quality elk in wa, and you could draw any year. Why would you not use it as an opportunity for another chance at a good tag?
cost of buying tag along with the permit app is not worth the terrible odds. If had had plans to hunt elk in general season it would be different but since I don't, I plan to spend that money elsewhere. I am an eastside resident and hunter so chasing spikes and cows just doesn't light my fire.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 16, 2018, 09:34:59 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on May 16, 2018, 09:36:21 AM
I will be right behind you, once my points are gone
:yeah: same
Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 09:40:31 AM
I’ll gladly take the chance to draw a tag any year for the $50 it costs for the tag and app... even if i won’t hunt otc. That’s the same cost as a point in wyo or Colorado knowing you won’t get to hunt there that year. :twocents:
Well you have one less person to compete against. Your odds just skyrocketed :chuckle:
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 16, 2018, 09:41:54 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 16, 2018, 09:42:11 AM
:tup: it’s my turn this year anyways! :chuckle:I’ll gladly take the chance to draw a tag any year for the $50 it costs for the tag and app... even if i won’t hunt otc. That’s the same cost as a point in wyo or Colorado knowing you won’t get to hunt there that year. :twocents:
Well you have one less person to compete against. Your odds just skyrocketed :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2018, 09:45:46 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 10:14:59 AM
vander - clean out your inbox
done
Post by: cbond3318 on May 16, 2018, 10:16:51 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 16, 2018, 10:50:24 AM
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Post by: Mr Mykiss on May 16, 2018, 11:30:55 AM
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Post by: blackveltbowhunter on May 16, 2018, 12:10:09 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 16, 2018, 12:53:44 PM
I would change the draw system in a heartbeat if I could.
Post by: huntnphool on May 16, 2018, 12:58:44 PM
I will be right behind you, once my points are gone
At 55 years old I'm done once, if I finally get mine as well.....odds are I'd never draw again anyway.
Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 12:59:18 PM
I understand your thought process Vande. I am likely the minority as I tend to think Washington has one of the better overall points systems. Given what we have to work with. Sure their are certainly flaws and changes could drastically improve odds for those of us looking for a better bull hunt. But having munched on the greener grass, its not much better. In essence, you can potentially hunt world class bulls in the blues for 50 dollars. It would take 20 years to have invested a grand in the system. So why not. Guys frequently go into a state BELIEVING that in 15 to 20 years they will draw that tag at an aplication fee of double that minimum. Suckers, the game departments are laffing all the way to the bank, and the first time theres a tough winter, wolves, added hunter pressure, etc..... where do u think cuts come from first? Not resident tags. Now if your looking to go OTC only, then i get it. But when it comes to top tier units odds of hunting them are slim, in some cases none no matter what. So why not apply for the cheapest ones possible. Even if those odds only increase slightly.
Totally understand and can fully agree with people who still apply and play the game. Hell, I apply in multiple other states as well. In my case, I know that as long as I draw a montana combo tag, I will at least be hunting deer there so for a few hundred extra bucks I can have an elk tag and hunt there too for branched bulls every year. The unit in Oregon we apply for takes about 3 points to draw an any elk tag so mix that in every 3-4 years plus Wyoming/Idaho and its just not worth buying and hoping to draw in Washington, for me personally.
If I had the intention to hunt general elk season here every year it would be different but since I don't, I just don't see the need to spend my money.
Post by: jackelope on May 16, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
:dunno:
Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 01:04:57 PM
It's probably easy peasy to talk yourself into getting out of the points game when you have zero points.
:dunno:
100% agree and thus why i am still in the quality deer game. Once those points are gone I am done there as well but I will still buy a deer tag most likely because you can still hunt mature animals on the eastside and not just spikes and cows like elk.
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 01:12:25 PM
I can understand wanting to save the money especially when you have plenty of other opportunities to hunt elk in other states. But, it's only about $16 extra to apply for a Quality elk permit. That is if you're like me and are going to purchase a deer, bear, and cougar tag anyway. For me, $16 is all it costs to apply for a quality elk hunt, so I would do it even if I didn't have any points.
I am only buying deer tag so its a bit different but agree that if i was already buying the tag, the permit fee would be ok. (Still way too high but that's for a different thread)
Post by: ridgefire on May 16, 2018, 02:45:15 PM
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Post by: Ridgerunner on May 16, 2018, 03:09:03 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 16, 2018, 03:21:10 PM
vander, got your message but it still doesn't allow me to respond to you, says your box is still full.
weird, I cleared a few pages out
Post by: Bwana Bob on May 16, 2018, 04:19:06 PM
I rather spend the money and hunt WY for deer and antelope than fight the crowds here for deer and getting a late buck quality tag is a real joke. AT 67 yrs old I won't say I'm out of the game in WA but I'm close. :'(
Post by: Vandal44 on May 16, 2018, 05:00:10 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 16, 2018, 05:16:08 PM
I am sitting on 16 points for quality bull, I just to let everyone know how much I appreciate them not putting in and trying to draw. Maybe this will be my year to draw something other than a second deer tagOnly 16? You probably shouldn’t waste your time applying...
Want to buddy up? :chuckle:
Post by: funkster on May 16, 2018, 05:25:04 PM
Post by: Vandal44 on May 16, 2018, 05:33:08 PM
I should buddy up, I might draw :o
Post by: crabcreekhunter on May 16, 2018, 07:30:53 PM
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