Post by: yorketransport on May 30, 2018, 07:22:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cpd2I0W.jpg?1)
I went to cycle the bolt on my 338/408 rifle and the bolt came back a little farther than I was used to. I didn't really notice it at first because the cheek rest stops the bolt from coming back far enough to come out of the action. I did notice it when I went to fold the stock so the rifle would fit in the case and the bolt fell out though.
Now to wait 6-8 weeks for PTG to make me one. :bash:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 30, 2018, 07:37:39 PM
Jonathan_s calls that the quick clean bolt mod. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 30, 2018, 08:10:24 PM
Post by: jasnt on May 30, 2018, 08:19:30 PM
Post by: yorketransport on May 30, 2018, 09:43:34 PM
Are you running speed trials with that thing? Lol
I was practicing my PRS style shooting. I just cycle the bolt as fast as I can and sling lead in the general area of a 2 MOA target at 500 yards. Then I run around and duct tape the rifle to a camera tripod while yelling “SEND IT!!!!!”, giving myself random wind calls and taking selfies. Yeah, you could call me an operator..... :hunt2:
Honestly I’m not sure why it failed. The bolt throw is so long on this action that it’s not like I’m working it that fast. Plus at $4 per shot and about 700 rounds of barrel life I try to be nice to this gun.
Post by: nwwanderer on May 31, 2018, 04:39:07 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on May 31, 2018, 04:57:51 AM
The bolt stop hits the back of the recoil lugs on the bolt, usually lapped to the receiver on a precision rifle. Beating the back of the lugs during rapid bolt manipulation only undoes the lapping by putting small dents in the lapped mating surface lug.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on May 31, 2018, 05:34:58 AM
Hopefully that wasn't a precision rifle.
The bolt stop hits the back of the recoil lugs on the bolt, usually lapped to the receiver on a precision rifle. Beating the back of the lugs during rapid bolt manipulation only undoes the lapping by putting small dents in the lapped mating surface lug.
I was there when the rifle was being built and all I can say is that it was mini-series worthy, or at least a Hunter S. Thompson Rolling Stone article.
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 31, 2018, 06:29:39 AM
Reminds me that I've got to order a $40 part to replace one. I do not cycle particlarly hard or fast but it happened to this rifle within 150 rounds.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 31, 2018, 06:52:40 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: yeah that rifle is basically a tomato stake now, no chance of shooting a PRS match - sorry to say @jay.sharkbaitI think yours was previously abused by a shiny headed dwarf tho that could explain it.
Reminds me that I've got to order a $40 part to replace one. I do not cycle particlarly hard or fast but it happened to this rifle within 150 rounds.
Yorke must just be a beefcake of a PRs guy. Do you happen to be a crossfitter yorke?
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 31, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
I was practicing my PRS style shooting. I just cycle the bolt as fast as I can and sling lead in the general area of a 2 MOA target at 500 yards. Then I run around and duct tape the rifle to a camera tripod while yelling “SEND IT!!!!!”, giving myself random wind calls and taking selfies.
Just about p!ssed myself reading this :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on May 31, 2018, 12:39:19 PM
Hopefully that wasn't a precision rifle.
The bolt stop hits the back of the recoil lugs on the bolt, usually lapped to the receiver on a precision rifle. Beating the back of the lugs during rapid bolt manipulation only undoes the lapping by putting small dents in the lapped mating surface lug.
Precision is a pretty generous term for this rifle. If it can hold MOA to 1 mile it’s good enough for me. The fact that this gun even functions surprises me sometimes! Like Jay.sharkbait said, there’s a fascinating story behind this rifle. :chuckle: As far as lapping, I won’t let any gunsmith hustle me into paying for that. Besides, lapping the lugs on a Lawton is like installing a custom exhaust on a 2001 Hyundai Accent.
Yorke must just be a beefcake of a PRs guy. Do you happen to be a crossfitter yorke?
Only on show days; the rest of the time I wear my normal clothes. Wait, that’s cross dressing....... never mind. :chuckle: I’m not allowed to play with the PRS guys because I won’t shoot a sub-30 caliber rifle unless I can get over 3200fps. Apparently somebody’s worried that the 6.5 Badger launching 160gr bullets at 3400 fps may be pretty hard on their targets. :tup:
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 31, 2018, 10:28:17 PM
Yep those PRS guys are the junk!!! Don’t believe me, ask them. Hard to miss a steel plate the size of a 747 at 600!
Ask them what a “X-Ring” is and they Babel and stutter like monkeys. Guess there’s a reason their banging away at steel plates and not at least shooting F-Class. Some have lived and died the “Steel farse” and the groupies and so called “Proteges” that followed. TRAGIC!
Come on guys! A group needs to be at least respectably close to your aim point.
Post by: yorketransport on June 06, 2018, 07:19:21 PM
Come on guys! A group needs to be at least respectably close to your aim point.
Hey now, don't start making fun of my .5 MOA groups at 1400 yards that are 5 MOA to the left of my aiming point. That's how I know which spot on the rock face I'm shooting at. :chuckle:
I got home and checked the mail to see my new bolt stop in there today. This is the first time in 15 years of dealing with PTG that they've ever been on time with an order, let alone early! I should go buy a Lotto ticket or something. :tup:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 06, 2018, 08:28:54 PM
Post by: yorketransport on June 06, 2018, 08:56:58 PM
Should I print those 3D quick change versions for the next time you decide to get your "operator" on?
If you could crank out a couple of those and then 4-5 of these to hold my range cards and my positive affirmation notes that I write to my self that say things like "That's the face of Operation", "Looking good", "Creedmoors Rule" and "Keep it operational".
I'd also like it to be a low quality, rough and uneven printed piece. You know, the kind that has a surface finish like a dollar store wood rasp.
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 08, 2018, 05:53:55 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on June 08, 2018, 08:07:56 AM
Ah hahaha.
Yep those PRS guys are the junk!!! Don’t believe me, ask them. Hard to miss a steel plate the size of a 747 at 600!
Ask them what a “X-Ring” is and they Babel and stutter like monkeys. Guess there’s a reason their banging away at steel plates and not at least shooting F-Class. Some have lived and died the “Steel farse” and the groupies and so called “Proteges” that followed. TRAGIC!
Come on guys! A group needs to be at least respectably close to your aim point.
What I don't understand about PRS is where they went wrong. The intent is alright- it almost looks like they're going for some of the live MOUT training we did in the service. But then I watch a video of some fat dude wobbling around with his tricked-out-M-Forgery and someone calling his targets as if he can't see them himself with the naked eye. People talk about the "challenge" of it, and all I can think is "I'm not what I think is a long range shooter, and this doesn't look that hard."
Then I'll see another video of a bunch of guys standing inside a bus and shooting targets out the windows. Totally tactical bro - except WTF is going to stand inside a bus with a bunch of tangos conveniently stacked on ONE side of the bus? Oh, probably the dude from Call of Duty.
Then I'll see another video of some dude having to run "for time" over to a "roof" to do an "overwatch" shoot, lay his blankey down so he doesn't get too uncomfortable, and take a full minute to knock out 4-5 static steel targets that are all under 500 yards with his 5.56....
Like I said - I think the concept is alright, but maybe tighten up the regs a bit? And maybe bring in some actual JSOC Vets to help design the courses?
Post by: yorketransport on June 08, 2018, 07:32:38 PM
“That’s the face of operation”
I say that to myself every morning when I get up. :chuckle:
What I don't understand about PRS is where they went wrong. The intent is alright- it almost looks like they're going for some of the live MOUT training we did in the service. But then I watch a video of some fat dude wobbling around with his tricked-out-M-Forgery and someone calling his targets as if he can't see them himself with the naked eye. People talk about the "challenge" of it, and all I can think is "I'm not what I think is a long range shooter, and this doesn't look that hard."
Then I'll see another video of a bunch of guys standing inside a bus and shooting targets out the windows. Totally tactical bro - except WTF is going to stand inside a bus with a bunch of tangos conveniently stacked on ONE side of the bus? Oh, probably the dude from Call of Duty.
Then I'll see another video of some dude having to run "for time" over to a "roof" to do an "overwatch" shoot, lay his blankey down so he doesn't get too uncomfortable, and take a full minute to knock out 4-5 static steel targets that are all under 500 yards with his 5.56....
Like I said - I think the concept is alright, but maybe tighten up the regs a bit? And maybe bring in some actual JSOC Vets to help design the courses?
I've got a good friend who got into the PRS thing about a year ago and I still haven't stopped making fun of him. He takes it so serious that he can't see that they've become a caricature of themselves. I don't doubt that it's a fun sport, but running around and playing "Call of Duty" while shooting of home made obstacles using couch cushions and tripods and thinking that it's real world training is pretty funny. I just get a kick out of them complaining that something like a 243 has too much recoil without a muzzle brake.
My same buddy has been a match director at a couple of shoots and always asks me to come shoot the matches. I won't do it until they let me run it with one of my hunting rifles. I can see it being great practice for a hunter to come in and shoot from odd positions and off different rests with their hunting rifle at targets out to 500 yards or so. They won't let me shoot my 375 Ruger or any of the 338s though so I'm boycotting their games. :chuckle:
I have considered going to one of the matches wearing this shirt though.
(https://i.imgur.com/4GeZoTN.png?1)
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 08, 2018, 08:44:13 PM
Post by: CLARKTAR on June 08, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
I'm interested in the 6.5 badger! That speed and bullet size is intriguing to say the leastHopefully that wasn't a precision rifle.
The bolt stop hits the back of the recoil lugs on the bolt, usually lapped to the receiver on a precision rifle. Beating the back of the lugs during rapid bolt manipulation only undoes the lapping by putting small dents in the lapped mating surface lug.
Precision is a pretty generous term for this rifle. If it can hold MOA to 1 mile it’s good enough for me. The fact that this gun even functions surprises me sometimes! Like Jay.sharkbait said, there’s a fascinating story behind this rifle. :chuckle: As far as lapping, I won’t let any gunsmith hustle me into paying for that. Besides, lapping the lugs on a Lawton is like installing a custom exhaust on a 2001 Hyundai Accent.
Yorke must just be a beefcake of a PRs guy. Do you happen to be a crossfitter yorke?
Only on show days; the rest of the time I wear my normal clothes. Wait, that’s cross dressing....... never mind. :chuckle: I’m not allowed to play with the PRS guys because I won’t shoot a sub-30 caliber rifle unless I can get over 3200fps. Apparently somebody’s worried that the 6.5 Badger launching 160gr bullets at 3400 fps may be pretty hard on their targets. :tup:
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Post by: Biggerhammer on June 08, 2018, 10:08:33 PM
From left to right.
458-375 Ultra Mag, Yorke’s creation .375 BME(350gr Sierra MK), 6.5 Badger (160gr Matrix), .338 Ultra Mag case.
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6.5 Badger(Left) .260 Rem (Right)
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Post by: yorketransport on June 09, 2018, 11:05:59 AM
I'm interested in the 6.5 badger! That speed and bullet size is intriguing to say the least
The 6.5 Badger is Biggerhammer's brainchild, but he made me do all the real work. :chuckle: My barrel is still shooting well after about 300 rounds with the 160 Matrix. I believe Biggerhammer smoked his barrel at around 200 rounds trying to see how fast he could get a 140gr bullet moving.
Post by: CLARKTAR on June 09, 2018, 11:58:20 AM
Eek. I can't be buying barrels that often! Given my budget I need close to 1000 rounds per barrel.I'm interested in the 6.5 badger! That speed and bullet size is intriguing to say the least
The 6.5 Badger is Biggerhammer's brainchild, but he made me do all the real work. :chuckle: My barrel is still shooting well after about 300 rounds with the 160 Matrix. I believe Biggerhammer smoked his barrel at around 200 rounds trying to see how fast he could get a 140gr bullet moving.
I do like the 6.5s, and have a interest in sending the 147s and 160s over 3100 fps. My platform right now is a 6.5-06AI.
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Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 09, 2018, 06:42:01 PM
Should I print those 3D quick change versions for the next time you decide to get your "operator" on?
If you could crank out a couple of those and then 4-5 of these to hold my range cards and my positive affirmation notes that I write to my self that say things like "That's the face of Operation", "Looking good", "Creedmoors Rule" and "Keep it operational".
I'd also like it to be a low quality, rough and uneven printed piece. You know, the kind that has a surface finish like a dollar store wood rasp.
That's so "B" team operator.........
Real 3d operators go out at night and are low drag..LOL
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 09, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
Post by: yorketransport on June 09, 2018, 07:23:56 PM
Should I print those 3D quick change versions for the next time you decide to get your "operator" on?
If you could crank out a couple of those and then 4-5 of these to hold my range cards and my positive affirmation notes that I write to my self that say things like "That's the face of Operation", "Looking good", "Creedmoors Rule" and "Keep it operational".
I'd also like it to be a low quality, rough and uneven printed piece. You know, the kind that has a surface finish like a dollar store wood rasp.
That's so "B" team operator.........
Real 3d operators go out at night and are low drag..LOL
Perfect, I see that you’re already catering to the PRS/Creedmoor/Instagram operator group by making those for Vortex optics. Can you make a matching one to use as a tie clip for when I wear my Vortex clip on tie while operating with my Creedmoor at the after hours PRS rave?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 09, 2018, 07:57:53 PM
Should I print those 3D quick change versions for the next time you decide to get your "operator" on?
If you could crank out a couple of those and then 4-5 of these to hold my range cards and my positive affirmation notes that I write to my self that say things like "That's the face of Operation", "Looking good", "Creedmoors Rule" and "Keep it operational".
I'd also like it to be a low quality, rough and uneven printed piece. You know, the kind that has a surface finish like a dollar store wood rasp.
That's so "B" team operator.........
Real 3d operators go out at night and are low drag..LOL
Perfect, I see that you’re already catering to the PRS/Creedmoor/Instagram operator group by making those for Vortex optics. Can you make a matching one to use as a tie clip for when I wear my Vortex clip on tie while operating with my Creedmoor at the after hours PRS rave?
I actually did some samples for a cancelled series called "The Frugal Operator".
I'll see if I can dig them up....
Post by: jasnt on June 09, 2018, 08:16:31 PM
:chuckle:Should I print those 3D quick change versions for the next time you decide to get your "operator" on?
If you could crank out a couple of those and then 4-5 of these to hold my range cards and my positive affirmation notes that I write to my self that say things like "That's the face of Operation", "Looking good", "Creedmoors Rule" and "Keep it operational".
I'd also like it to be a low quality, rough and uneven printed piece. You know, the kind that has a surface finish like a dollar store wood rasp.
That's so "B" team operator.........
Real 3d operators go out at night and are low drag..LOL
Perfect, I see that you’re already catering to the PRS/Creedmoor/Instagram operator group by making those for Vortex optics. Can you make a matching one to use as a tie clip for when I wear my Vortex clip on tie while operating with my Creedmoor at the after hours PRS rave?
I actually did some samples for a cancelled series called "The Frugal Operator".
I'll see if I can dig them up....
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 10, 2018, 10:08:31 AM
Nothing like paying $39.99 for a supposed lifetime product.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 10, 2018, 11:00:13 AM
Just ordered a new bolt stop for the Tikka (Finnish for 'Whimp Stick")But just think. The tikka is the only one that can be turned it o a long action for $39.99!
Nothing like paying $39.99 for a supposed lifetime product.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 10, 2018, 11:04:36 AM
Post by: yorketransport on July 10, 2018, 12:44:38 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 10, 2018, 12:50:43 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 10, 2018, 12:51:51 PM
I’ll be interested to see if you need to do any fitting on yours. I had to open the hole for the pivot pin and do a lot more filing than I expected to make mine fit.
Hmm... I was hoping for plug and play for $40 :chuckle:
Sorry the Jon. I take full responsibility for your bolt stop failure :chuckle:
Tikka just makes a crappy bolt stop, nothing more
Post by: BigGoonTuna on July 10, 2018, 04:11:37 PM
i've got a mid 70s model 70 win that i'm thinking about doing that to. long action .243, it feels like it weighs 20lbs! i'm thinking 338-06 or .35 whelen somewhere down the road...Just ordered a new bolt stop for the Tikka (Finnish for 'Whimp Stick")But just think. The tikka is the only one that can be turned it o a long action for $39.99!
Nothing like paying $39.99 for a supposed lifetime product.
Post by: yorketransport on July 10, 2018, 06:33:32 PM
Sorry the Jon. I take full responsibility for your bolt stop failure :chuckle:
See, you just can't go full operator on these things!
My PRS super star buddy was "sponsored" buy a small action manufacturer for a little while. The company made a great action but my buddy managed to keep breaking parts, which the manufacturer was repairing for him at no charge. I was with him when he sheared off a retaining pin in the firing pin assembly and he call the manufacturer to tell them what happened. The owner was noticeably irritated and asked him how he keeps breaking all these parts (including a bolt stop). My buddy made the mistake of saying maybe the action just wasn't strong enough. The owner, now full on mad, starts talking about shear strength of parts and the different metals used and trying to explain that nobody else is having these issues. At this point I chime in and mention that my PRS super star buddy slams the bolt back like it's a slide hammer and the jams it forward like he's trying to slam fire the primer. Plus he LOVES to dry fire, like 2-300 times per day with no snap cap. The manufacturer just got quite for a few seconds before saying that maybe it would be a good idea to invest a couple cents into making a few snap caps so that the rifle would stop breaking! :chuckle:
My buddy is no longer sponsored by that manufacturer, his choice of course. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 10, 2018, 06:42:47 PM
I wasn't that rough with it but I tried darn hard to burn the factory barrel up before The Jon made it fancy. 500 rounds of 58gr vmax at 3800fps in about 12hrs :chuckle:Sorry the Jon. I take full responsibility for your bolt stop failure :chuckle:
See, you just can't go full operator on these things!
My PRS super star buddy was "sponsored" buy a small action manufacturer for a little while. The company made a great action but my buddy managed to keep breaking parts, which the manufacturer was repairing for him at no charge. I was with him when he sheared off a retaining pin in the firing pin assembly and he call the manufacturer to tell them what happened. The owner was noticeably irritated and asked him how he keeps breaking all these parts (including a bolt stop). My buddy made the mistake of saying maybe the action just wasn't strong enough. The owner, now full on mad, starts talking about shear strength of parts and the different metals used and trying to explain that nobody else is having these issues. At this point I chime in and mention that my PRS super star buddy slams the bolt back like it's a slide hammer and the jams it forward like he's trying to slam fire the primer. Plus he LOVES to dry fire, like 2-300 times per day with no snap cap. The manufacturer just got quite for a few seconds before saying that maybe it would be a good idea to invest a couple cents into making a few snap caps so that the rifle would stop breaking! :chuckle:
My buddy is no longer sponsored by that manufacturer, his choice of course. :rolleyes: :chuckle: