Post by: T-Bone on June 03, 2018, 02:44:27 PM
As someone who hates litter bugs and P/U others bank trash on an every trip basis; I find the bank fish cleaning "No No" very silly.
Post by: The scout on June 03, 2018, 02:54:52 PM
Post by: Cougartail on June 03, 2018, 03:24:25 PM
Post by: MADMAX on June 03, 2018, 04:01:14 PM
Is that in the fishing rules book ?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on June 03, 2018, 04:04:37 PM
That’s one I never heard of before
I can’t find it either, just restrictions against littering and chumming.
Post by: MADMAX on June 03, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
You may
• Clean or portion fish or shellfish while in
the field with the following exceptions: It is unlawful for an angler to fail to retain proof of compliance with species, size, number, weight, sex, or wild or hatchery origin restriction, if such restrictions apply, until the angler is ashore and has finished fishing for the day. For all rockfish species and for fish with a length restriction, anglers must retain the fish carcass until coming ashore to comply with the above rule. This does not apply if the catch is in the process of being prepared for immediate consumption.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on June 03, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
Post by: James on June 03, 2018, 05:30:38 PM
Post by: Cougartail on June 03, 2018, 06:19:38 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on June 03, 2018, 06:38:02 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 03, 2018, 09:03:43 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on June 03, 2018, 09:17:08 PM
I can find nothing that would prohibit cleaning your trout at the shoreline, unless that cleaning somehow hides the species of trout. I do it every time I fish.
I think we're responding to a "somebody heard something they told my friends dads uncle "
Post by: tritt007 on June 03, 2018, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on June 03, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
Perhaps the op is referencing the fact that some lakes have signs saying it is not allowed to clean fish at the lake and or leave the entrails in the water . Which yes , makes no sense .
Depends on the lake. Would make sence for Green Lake and other heavy use lakes.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on June 03, 2018, 11:18:24 PM
this thread reminds me of every time i've had someone tell me that corn is illegal to use for bait, or my favorite, the snaggers on the skokomish that would say it's illegal for me to toss a #4 vibrax for coho, because of the "non buoyant lure restriction"(that just meant you couldn't use treble hooks on anything that sank).
Post by: bigtex on June 03, 2018, 11:21:28 PM
Littering = Possibly
Post by: Knocker of rocks on June 04, 2018, 05:41:53 AM
Post by: T-Bone on June 04, 2018, 06:34:04 AM
Apparently, this "rule" has been around for some time as my main fishing buddy recalled his now late Father, years ago, cleaning his trout bankside and a Game Warden telling him to wade out in the water and P/U the guts or be ticketed. My friend's 70+ year old Father did as instructed; waded into the lake and picked up the guts...Unreal!
Post by: Buckewe on June 04, 2018, 06:58:59 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on June 04, 2018, 07:50:01 AM
.... just try to be respectful and throw the guts in deeper water so they are not visable.
The key.
Post by: bigtex on June 04, 2018, 10:18:32 AM
It needs to be done with a certain suaveness. I remember we were at La Push in 2012 and somebody dumped a huge pile of guts in the slack water between the pier and the shore. Just rotting there visible from the parking lot for several days. So just think of the repercussions if that had been Shilshole instaed of La Push.:yeah:
This is just like the guys who back up to the gate or a wide spot off a paved county road and unload their deer/elk/etc. carcass.
Post by: bigtex on June 04, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
The reason for my post is that a fellow angler at my Spokane area trout lake was told it was a fineable offense by a Wildlife Agent on the preceding day. I was cleaning my trout at the time and the senior angler was warning me. I have always cleaned my trout ASAP bankside and put them on ice to help minimize the possible mud taste. Most of the time, the seagulls have immediately solved the problem. Otherwise, I feel I am enriching the lake's eco-system vs. adding more smell to a landfill.It's considered littering. WA's littering law is very broad.
Apparently, this "rule" has been around for some time as my main fishing buddy recalled his now late Father, years ago, cleaning his trout bankside and a Game Warden telling him to wade out in the water and P/U the guts or be ticketed. My friend's 70+ year old Father did as instructed; waded into the lake and picked up the guts...Unreal!
As for "fineable offense" every rule/law/etc. is a "fineable offense" there's no rule that doesn't have a penalty.
Post by: WSU on June 04, 2018, 10:27:23 AM
Post by: bigtex on June 04, 2018, 10:35:01 AM
It seems it would be better to throw the guts and scraps in the water, especially local rivers. We have programs in place to throw thousands of salmon into the rivers to replace nutrients that are no longer there due to our poor returns. I can't see throwing some trout in being a problem.For me it's always been where is the person doing it. Are they doing it at the boat launch/beach where the guts will be laying in public view, a dog will come eat them and get sick, etc. Or are they doing it off the back of their boat in the middle of the lake. Same thing, but different optics.
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 04, 2018, 11:38:53 AM
It seems it would be better to throw the guts and scraps in the water, especially local rivers. We have programs in place to throw thousands of salmon into the rivers to replace nutrients that are no longer there due to our poor returns. I can't see throwing some trout in being a problem.For me it's always been where is the person doing it. Are they doing it at the boat launch/beach where the guts will be laying in public view, a dog will come eat them and get sick, etc. Or are they doing it off the back of their boat in the middle of the lake. Same thing, but different optics.
Exactly this. This is the crux of so many issues in the Sportsmen community. If I'm fishing a King County park with a playground 20 yards away, I'm not going to leave a bunch of fish heads on the shore.
When camping, I like to take them a few yards into the woods and dump them there. It's good for the trees.
Post by: Alchase on June 04, 2018, 11:55:20 AM
A wedding to remember, LOL
Post by: Oh Mah on June 04, 2018, 12:02:04 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 04, 2018, 12:07:19 PM
It appears that as Bigtex says it is broad,That is no way to have a rule.It needs to be spelled out in the regs as to where it is not ok to do it.That goes for fish and game. :twocents:It's not a reg, it's law. Like I said, this isn't a fish and wildlife offense, it's the state litter law.
Under state law:
"Litter" means all waste material including but not limited to disposable packages or containers thrown or deposited as herein prohibited and solid waste that is illegally dumped, but not including the wastes of the primary processes of mining, logging, sawmilling, farming, or manufacturing.
And no, "waste material" isn't defined, that's the broad part of the law.
Post by: Oh Mah on June 04, 2018, 12:15:10 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 04, 2018, 12:19:24 PM
ok :tup:. Seattle bird feeders,Throwing a hook with bait,All matters of baiting etc.All i was saying is the law as you put it needs to be clear or it should not be enforced.If someone can throw food for pigeons in Seattle then there should be no problem with putting fish guts back where they belong.In the water where it came from.And how would it be clear? You're essentially saying that the law would need to include every single item known to man and then require an officer to confirm the item is on the list. So if a guy dumps old rusty lawn care equipment you may have the shovel on the list but the rake not on it because oops the legislature forgot to include rakes.
How it is in WA is how it is in every state.
Post by: Oh Mah on June 04, 2018, 12:23:38 PM
Post by: olyguy79 on June 04, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on June 04, 2018, 12:26:08 PM
Post by: Stein on June 04, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on June 04, 2018, 12:30:13 PM
I would like to see someone that actually got a ticket.The harassment would be enough to make it wrong.Let alone the ticket. :twocents:
Post by: Widgeondeke on June 04, 2018, 12:36:18 PM
It appears that as Bigtex says it is broad,That is no way to have a rule.It needs to be spelled out in the regs as to where it is not ok to do it.That goes for fish and game. :twocents:It's not a reg, it's law. Like I said, this isn't a fish and wildlife offense, it's the state litter law.
Under state law:
"Litter" means all waste material including but not limited to disposable packages or containers thrown or deposited as herein prohibited and solid waste that is illegally dumped, but not including the wastes of the primary processes of mining, logging, sawmilling, farming, or manufacturing.
And no, "waste material" isn't defined, that's the broad part of the law.
If I am reading what you stated above. Leaving your deer carcass is the forest is legally littering? :dunno:
Post by: Oh Mah on June 04, 2018, 12:38:16 PM
Post by: olyguy79 on June 04, 2018, 12:45:06 PM
If it looks bad, it probably is, and you should be cited.
Leaving the duck blind with 50 hulls in it looks bad, and it's littering.
Leaving a deer carcass away from the road where nobody will see it doesn't look bad.
Leaving a deer carcass at a school bus stop looks bad.
Post by: olyguy79 on June 04, 2018, 12:46:29 PM
What in the law exempts water Fowl hunters from this law.Placing decoys out in the water?The way things are going you could be out fishing with your family and one of your kids loses his/her line littering the water with a hook and sinker set up and get a ticket for it. :bash:Again, common sense. It's why officers can use discretion.
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 04, 2018, 12:46:49 PM
It appears that as Bigtex says it is broad,That is no way to have a rule.It needs to be spelled out in the regs as to where it is not ok to do it.That goes for fish and game. :twocents:It's not a reg, it's law. Like I said, this isn't a fish and wildlife offense, it's the state litter law.
Under state law:
"Litter" means all waste material including but not limited to disposable packages or containers thrown or deposited as herein prohibited and solid waste that is illegally dumped, but not including the wastes of the primary processes of mining, logging, sawmilling, farming, or manufacturing.
And no, "waste material" isn't defined, that's the broad part of the law.
If I am reading what you stated above. Leaving your deer carcass is the forest is legally littering? :dunno:
If you dump it on the trailhead of a popular day hike, it probably is.
Post by: olyguy79 on June 04, 2018, 12:47:40 PM
And in my view you should be cited :twocents:If you dump it on the trailhead of a popular day hike, it probably is.If I am reading what you stated above. Leaving your deer carcass is the forest is legally littering? :dunno:It appears that as Bigtex says it is broad,That is no way to have a rule.It needs to be spelled out in the regs as to where it is not ok to do it.That goes for fish and game. :twocents:It's not a reg, it's law. Like I said, this isn't a fish and wildlife offense, it's the state litter law.
Under state law:
"Litter" means all waste material including but not limited to disposable packages or containers thrown or deposited as herein prohibited and solid waste that is illegally dumped, but not including the wastes of the primary processes of mining, logging, sawmilling, farming, or manufacturing.
And no, "waste material" isn't defined, that's the broad part of the law.
Post by: Oh Mah on June 04, 2018, 12:53:18 PM
There's this thing called common sense guys.Agreed but hulls are not fish or wildlife and the deer was not killed at the school bus stop,If it was then other laws were broken also.
If it looks bad, it probably is, and you should be cited.
Leaving the duck blind with 50 hulls in it looks bad, and it's littering.
Leaving a deer carcass away from the road where nobody will see it doesn't look bad.
Leaving a deer carcass at a school bus stop looks bad.
Post by: Bill W on June 04, 2018, 01:03:41 PM
What in the law exempts water Fowl hunters from this law.Placing decoys out in the water?The way things are going you could be out fishing with your family and one of your kids loses his/her line littering the water with a hook and sinker set up and get a ticket for it. :bash:Again, common sense. It's why officers can use discretion.
Some officers don't have "discretion" in their toolkit. We used to have one over here like that. I understand he quit.
Post by: Alchase on June 04, 2018, 06:51:11 PM
They all dump the guts straight back into a the water.
Wouldn’t that be selective enforcement?
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on June 05, 2018, 10:41:35 AM
Doug
Post by: singleshot12 on June 05, 2018, 10:57:56 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 05, 2018, 11:13:55 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on June 05, 2018, 11:22:48 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 05, 2018, 11:45:52 AM
I hope you can throw far :chuckle: Have you ever been to a popular public fishing ramp on a lake lately? It's disgusting with the stench and all. It may be a different story if they cleaned their fish off shore 50+ yards in deeper water vs. a foot or two right next to the launch. They should be ticketed as such as the guy dumping his deer carcass at a gate within public view.
I get it. Maybe a case-by-case basis or a rule regarding boat launches. But returning organic material to the pond is rarely a bad thing for the ecosystem. Making it illegal to clean fish at any lake it a far stretch.
Post by: singleshot12 on June 05, 2018, 11:51:35 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on June 05, 2018, 03:16:46 PM
Some people like to use the public boat ramps for swimming or cooling off their dogs. I wonder how many pets or wildlife died a long cruel death after ingesting some fish guts with a hook at the local fishing hole? Couple thoughts to consider as to why it should be illegal.The boat launches are for launching boats,Fools that let their kids or pets swim around it should be fined.
Post by: bigtex on June 05, 2018, 06:58:18 PM
You can be cited for going 1 MPH over the speed limit, doesn't mean you will though.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 05, 2018, 07:44:02 PM
"What if everybody did that?"