Post by: scoutdog346 on June 17, 2018, 06:54:19 PM
Post by: chester on June 17, 2018, 08:35:59 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on June 17, 2018, 09:57:23 PM
Wondering what the quality of bulls are in Salmon Creek area next to Fossil Creek anyone been in Salmon Creek the last two or three years. (Pay to play area)
Rayonier timber owns a huge chunk. There pay to play price for that chunk is flat out highway robbery.
Post by: Webfoot on June 18, 2018, 12:11:05 PM
Post by: WSU on June 18, 2018, 12:15:57 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 18, 2018, 01:44:37 PM
Wow! Those are some serious permit prices!
Yeah, and those aren't actually prices, it's just the starting bid. Bidding starts June 25th and ends June 28th.
Post by: Webfoot on June 18, 2018, 08:05:47 PM
Post by: jae on June 18, 2018, 08:37:06 PM
Must be a bunch of 350" bulls in there!
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They are everywhere! lol
Post by: NorseNW on June 18, 2018, 08:59:44 PM
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 19, 2018, 12:47:19 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on June 19, 2018, 01:00:41 PM
Has any one been in there in the last 3 or 4 yeats during the archery season? If yes what was the quality of the bulls?
Every bull I seen was a rag horn. Is their bulls. Yes. Are you gonna shoot a 300” one out of there. 99.99% of the time no. But every place could possibly hold that one monster. Is it worth the price to pay for rayonier starting bid. Nope. You could take that money and go else where. That offers bigger bulls. Other places in Washington have bigger bulls you could hunt for with OTC tag for free.
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 20, 2018, 11:45:54 AM
Has any one been in there in the last 3 or 4 yeats during the archery season? If yes what was the quality of the bulls?
Every bull I seen was a rag horn. Is their bulls. Yes. Are you gonna shoot a 300” one out of there. 99.99% of the time no. But every place could possibly hold that one monster. Is it worth the price to pay for rayonier starting bid. Nope. You could take that money and go else where. That offers bigger bulls. Other places in Washington have bigger bulls you could hunt for with OTC tag for free.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on June 20, 2018, 12:02:13 PM
Thankyou...how long ago were u back there during theseason? Hiw did u do or the person u were with do? How much did u end up paying for thw permit? Arch,muzz or MF season? Thanks again...Has any one been in there in the last 3 or 4 yeats during the archery season? If yes what was the quality of the bulls?
Every bull I seen was a rag horn. Is their bulls. Yes. Are you gonna shoot a 300” one out of there. 99.99% of the time no. But every place could possibly hold that one monster. Is it worth the price to pay for rayonier starting bid. Nope. You could take that money and go else where. That offers bigger bulls. Other places in Washington have bigger bulls you could hunt for with OTC tag for free.
Went in the state land for late season. I don’t buy permits. Specially that one. For that price I could be packed in backcountry in Montana. Never been in early season. State land isn’t a huge chunk. So it gets hit pretty hard.
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 21, 2018, 12:00:21 AM
How did u get to go back in the Salmon Creek area without buying the permit?
When you were in there did you hapen to notice or observe any elk display different behavior then the elk in the surrounding areas u referred to?
For example where they appearing to be less pressured then what one might think in the late season? I have noticed in the late season there is less elk to be seen without getting out the truck.
When you got out of the truck in the Salmon Creek area did you notice if the Bulls were easier to get closer to?
Did you notice any psychological/behavioral difference between elk in the Salmon Creek VS the surrounding areas?
Did you see more bulls closer to the road?
You said the size was the same as the surrounding area. What do you think made it like the "surrounding areas" why isn't it better than the public land? Or say the Fossil Creek for example or any area that you don't have to pay to play?
I'm glad I talk to you I thought for sure it would be a little bette. Thanks again!
Same as surrounding areas, raghorns for the taking. If you’re looking for book bulls pacific county is not where I’d be spending time.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on June 21, 2018, 01:14:43 AM
Thanks for responding to me...if don't mind can you please answer a few more questions I understand if you don't want to.
How did u get to go back in the Salmon Creek area without buying the permit?
When you were in there did you hapen to notice or observe any elk display different behavior then the elk in the surrounding areas u referred to?
For example where they appearing to be less pressured then what one might think in the late season? I have noticed in the late season there is less elk to be seen without getting out the truck.
When you got out of the truck in the Salmon Creek area did you notice if the Bulls were easier to get closer to?
Did you notice any psychological/behavioral difference between elk in the Salmon Creek VS the surrounding areas?
Did you see more bulls closer to the road?
You said the size was the same as the surrounding area. What do you think made it like the "surrounding areas" why isn't it better than the public land? Or say the Fossil Creek for example or any area that you don't have to pay to play?
I'm glad I talk to you I thought for sure it would be a little bette. Thanks again!Same as surrounding areas, raghorns for the taking. If you’re looking for book bulls pacific county is not where I’d be spending time.
Their state land along salmon creek. Butts right up against that rayonier land. That area gets hit pretty hard. I was in there late archery season. The one cow I seen driving in. Couldn’t get across the road fast enough. I figured she would of been slowed down once inside the timber hundred yards or so. Nope. I went in after her at daylight and she was long gone. Looks of her tracks she didn’t slow down tell crossing into the next county. Far as bulls activities go. I couldn’t answer that. Didn’t see any bulls. Last year it was antlerless only. This year they changed it to 3pt or better and antlerless. I would look into gmu farther north. Something that has more ground to offer. Like From gmu 601-618. That’s just my :twocents:
Post by: Bronson on June 21, 2018, 11:04:17 AM
Based on the questions you asking and the areas you are looking at, it sounds like you are looking for an area like the rest of us. An area that you can find big, unpressured bulls that you can work and have a good "hunt" experience. Not trying to be negative here but I really don't think you're going to find what you are looking for in any of these permit areas. Any time you can drive in and cover most of the land by vehicle then the opportunity you're looking for is gone. From my experience it takes about 1 day, maybe 2 for elk to change their ways and patterns once they are hunted. My suggestion would be to either save your permit money and go with an outfitter out of state, or if you want to hunt west side find some areas that you can access without driving. Get behind some gates that allow public access and cover ground. Learn an area, and learn it well. Its going to take effort and time and you will hit some areas that aren't good. But eventually you will find your spot and it will be that much better once you do. They do exist, you just have to find them and get a little lucky.
I'm not saying the permits are bad ground, they serve a purpose and you can have good hunts in them. I've hunted a couple of them and had success in them, even had a couple of really fun hunts. But I have also had some good hunts outside those permit areas. In fact some of my more memorable hunts have been outside those areas, but we had to work for the area and the animals. Now those spots outside the permit areas are getting harder to find because of the extra pressure from displaced hunters from permit areas. So people who have their sweet spots are going to hold on to them even tighter.
Just my :twocents: