Post by: Slider on March 14, 2009, 05:58:03 PM
Post by: andrew_12gauge on March 14, 2009, 06:06:07 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 14, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
Post by: Elknut1 on March 14, 2009, 08:04:04 PM
It's interesting on different ones viewpoints & I do respect them all. I too am a bowhunter, I shoot a longbow but I do not look down on compound shooters or rifle hunters. It's all what you're into & practice at. If it's legal it's OK with me, doesn't mean I'll do it but I won't look down on someone else that does!
I am very intrigued about taking animals cleanly at those distances, I will say it's impressive, it has nothing to do with whether you could get closer. I'm not personally interested in their tools of the trade but I do fancy their shooting abilities! Quite impressive! On a few deer hunts I've been on 500 yards would be worth it's weight in gold! It's all in the hunt & the country you're hunting. Sure I like my longbow but I'm open minded!
ElkNut1
Post by: Cougeyes on March 14, 2009, 08:13:50 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 14, 2009, 08:28:58 PM
Post by: hogsniper on March 14, 2009, 08:33:52 PM
Post by: deerslyr on March 14, 2009, 08:57:50 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 14, 2009, 09:31:43 PM
It's been about a year since I saw one of the shows, but I seem to remember them talking extensively about practice, and only shooting at ranges you are comfortable with. Maybe that was the video.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with it, as long as the shooters are competant and respectful of the game. :twocents:
Post by: Bearhunter on March 14, 2009, 09:33:28 PM
Post by: alecvg on March 14, 2009, 09:52:01 PM
Post by: cascademountainhunter on March 14, 2009, 09:56:51 PM
Post by: Scottystyle on March 15, 2009, 01:14:14 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 15, 2009, 06:52:55 AM
where do you draw the line at what range is "too far" or "not hunting"? Its all personal choice...
Skill equipment ability :dunno:
Post by: Skinner on March 15, 2009, 08:12:42 AM
On the other hand I saw one of the bull riders on "Best of the West" get set up with his bullet drop compensator just before the hunt, by the tv show, spent a day at the range, then went on the hunt. Not good practice in my mind!
Post by: heavy hauler on March 15, 2009, 03:25:12 PM
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Post by: duckslayer on March 15, 2009, 05:28:51 PM
Post by: GEARHEAD on March 15, 2009, 11:23:22 PM
i have set up a custom gun for shooting long range, but unless i can 100 percent guarantee myself that i can slip a bullet inside a 6 inch circle i won't do it. my max is half what they shoot.
Post by: colockumelk on March 16, 2009, 12:52:37 AM
2-3 hrs to get to the animal??? Man where do you guys come up with this stuff??? If you can do it, and am confident with the shot, take it!!! Its not for me but I have shot an elk at 550 and a deer at 450...I would do it again when given the opportunity!!! Lots of b/s out there like the guys who shoot their bow a couple days before the season and then go fling arrows at game!!! Atleast these guys practice their stuff, and know their weapons!!!!
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If you know how to shoot 550 meters really isn't all that far. Especially if you've got good gear and practise out there alot. It depends on the person. A 550 meter rifle shot is not different than when guys take 70 shots with a bow. Some can do it ethically some can't. It depends if you practise alot. I like bow hunting because you get up close and personal. But if I saw a nice buck at 500 yds plus with my rifle you bet I'd smoke him. I don't care if a guy takes 1000 meter shots. If the guy practises that far and is good then the more power to him. It all depends on the shooter.
As far as videos I hate the long shots because you can't see anything. I like to see the arrow disapear in the animal. I like to see the blood pooring out as the thing is running away.
Post by: Alchase on March 16, 2009, 10:36:41 AM
I grew up hunting with an older gentleman that shot nothing but a peepsite 45/70. He took many deer out to around the 200 yd range.
Anyone else shooting I would think it was like shooting an M79 grenade launcher (lobbing slugs) but this gentleman new his weapon.
I have met people that should not more then a 100 yds with a scope. And I have trained at targets out to 1800 yds with a Barret M82. And 1000 yds with M70.
I would not shoot this way while hunting. That does not mean the ability to do so is not there, just something I choose not to do.
Preaching ethics about someone else's ability to shoot without knowing their background and/or training methods is like wearing the same pair of underwear two days in a row....it makes you kinda feel good but still stinks.
Post by: bowtech721 on March 16, 2009, 11:54:36 AM
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Post by: lostcat on March 16, 2009, 12:16:20 PM
Post by: ribka on March 16, 2009, 12:20:21 PM
Good point!
But if you enjoy watching the blood gush and spurt out of animals ( see above) a shot at any range be it bow or rifle is I guess acceptable. Guys taking longs shots, Over 400 yds, are making up for the lack of hunting skills. More concerend about bragging rights (see all of the recent "hunting" shows) after the shot than a quick clean and ethical shot
Firearms instructor in military and now (over 20 years and have won many comps)
As many of you know bullet drift over 500 yds is considerable due to humidity, wind gusts etc.
Remember Hunter safety?
Taught in hunter safety at 12 years of age:
Quick clean and ethical kill is your responsibility to the animal
Always make sure of your target and the background behind your intended target.
How can a guy be sure of background of intended target at 500 yds in the woods?
No problem punching paper at those distances, but I see and find too many wounded elk and deer every hunting season from people taking shots that they have no business taking.
Seems irresponsible to me
Flame on
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 18, 2009, 11:25:17 AM
Post by: big iron on March 18, 2009, 12:00:35 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 18, 2009, 12:35:32 PM
But if you enjoy watching the blood gush and spurt out of animals ( see above) a shot at any range be it bow or rifle is I guess acceptable. Guys taking longs shots, Over 400 yds, are making up for the lack of hunting skills. More concerend about bragging rights (see all of the recent "hunting" shows) after the shot than a quick clean and ethical shot
Firearms instructor in military and now (over 20 years and have won many comps)
As many of you know bullet drift over 500 yds is considerable due to humidity, wind gusts etc.
Remember Hunter safety?
Taught in hunter safety at 12 years of age:
Quick clean and ethical kill is your responsibility to the animal
Always make sure of your target and the background behind your intended target.
How can a guy be sure of background of intended target at 500 yds in the woods?
No problem punching paper at those distances, but I see and find too many wounded elk and deer every hunting season from people taking shots that they have no business taking.
Seems irresponsible to me
Flame on
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SO, because i killed a bull elk at 590 yards last year with 4 shots from my 7mm mag i lack hunting skills?
what about the 4 point WT buck i killed at 15 yards last year, or the bull elk i killed at under 10 the year before?
you can say nothing of other peoples hunting skills until you know them!!!
for the record i was at the range last summer before my elk hunt once a week shooting a minimum of 20 rounds a day at ranges past 400 yards, and the bull i shot last year had 2 holes in the lungs 1 in the back and one low in the shoulder, thats 4 shots, 4 hits. but i guess your right i suck at hunting...
Post by: bone head on March 22, 2009, 02:55:47 PM
Post by: firecrotch on March 23, 2009, 09:20:25 PM
Post by: JoshT on March 23, 2009, 09:28:12 PM
I dont have a issue if the person can make that shot, to me its not hunting anymore, its killing or shooting... big diff IMO
Here we go again...
Post by: 7mag. on March 23, 2009, 09:34:37 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on March 23, 2009, 09:35:09 PM
I dont have a issue if the person can make that shot, to me its not hunting anymore, its killing or shooting... big diff IMO
Here we go again...
STOP EATING OUR OWN
Post by: Alan K on March 24, 2009, 12:09:42 AM
Don't forget to knock all the hunters that drive around glassing clearcuts and reprod, spot one, then get out of the truck and shoot it. That doesn't involve a stalk or any more work than shooting something at 500 yards. Oh and don't forget to bash all the guys who shoot deer standing in the road when they come around the corner. I guess that's all just killing eh?
Heck I bet at least 90%+ of people on here have taken animals like that. I guess we are all just killers not hunters.
Post by: firecrotch on March 24, 2009, 12:46:17 AM
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Post by: huntnphool on March 24, 2009, 10:39:36 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 24, 2009, 10:51:58 AM
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Don't forget to knock all the hunters that drive around glassing clearcuts and reprod, spot one, then get out of the truck and shoot it. That doesn't involve a stalk or any more work than shooting something at 500 yards. Oh and don't forget to bash all the guys who shoot deer standing in the road when they come around the corner. I guess that's all just killing eh?
most of those guys do get bashed on here....
Post by: tlbradford on March 24, 2009, 10:57:13 AM
Trophyhunt, welcome to the site. Maybe you or someone who watches the show knows if they use ballistic calculators or dope cards for these long shots? Or is all of this supposed to be in their scope system with a graduated reticle?
Post by: jackelope on March 24, 2009, 11:04:58 AM
the bullets are loaded specifically for the setup, the rifle, scope and bullets are all built to work as one unit. they are serious rigs for sure...just not my idea of hunting.
http://www.huskemaw.com/
Post by: jackelope on March 24, 2009, 11:07:18 AM
Post by: tlbradford on March 24, 2009, 11:18:55 AM
Post by: colockumelk on March 24, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
Heck I bet at least 90%+ of people on here have taken animals like that. I guess we are all just killers not hunters.
Chuck Norris doesn't go hunting he goes killing; because hunting implies failure. :chuckle:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 24, 2009, 08:16:06 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 25, 2009, 06:58:46 AM
I hate to see what ends up on the cutting room floor of shows like these.Thanks for the welcome, this site kicks ass. Very refreshing to have all this hunting info available for Washington hunters, my passion is elk hunting and mule deer, but any chance to get in the woods and I'm their.
Trophyhunt, welcome to the site. Maybe you or someone who watches the show knows if they use ballistic calculators or dope cards for these long shots? Or is all of this supposed to be in their scope system with a graduated reticule?
Post by: JoshT on March 25, 2009, 07:26:50 AM
Chuck Norris doesn't go hunting he goes killing; because hunting implies failure. :chuckle:
I ordered the Chuck Norris Roundhouse Killing system a couple of years ago... it's almost too effective... as Hoytstaffinfection says "that's not hunting".
Now, I shoot a .300 RUM out to 1k all the time... the schitt ain't rocket science. Even guys with little to no experience can take my rifle and hammer on milk jugs at 600 with relitive ease. Just dial in the proper dope... hold the X on the target... and whammy! The tough part is shooting your ACTUAL drop chart and knowing the small adjustments to make for shot angle, and wind.
I don't advicate taking a rifle out of the box and shooting it at critters 1/2 a mile away... but shots like that can be made. I also don't advicate shooting at 200 yards if you can't hit stuff at that range... but most guys will take that shot no questions asked... regardless of their ability. I don't see anybody ranking on those guys. Bottom line... KNOW YOUR LIMITS... 100, 200, 500 yards... whatever... but the sign of a true HUNTER isn't the shots he makes, it's the ones he passes up.
I know I can shoot my RUM better at 600 than most guys can shoot their "hunting" rifles at 200... but that's what I practice. I know my limits, I pass up shots... but I'm ready to make the good poke too... I guess that makes me an unethical killer.
Post by: Intruder on March 25, 2009, 12:50:43 PM
dont even get me started on best of the west i cant stand that show it is a shameless plug to sell huskema optics and gunwerks long range rifles, after every kill they have to use the rest of the show to explain how if you too buy this system you can make these same shots and then at the end they say one or two words about practice, but i think they should stress the practice more because im sure there are probably about 10000 *censored*es out there right now with these "shooting systems" who dont shoot more than 20 rounds a year at 200 yards and think that they too can shoot 600-1000 yards. i quit watching that show long ago
I tend to agree. I have 0 problem with long shots per se'. But this show is all about selling their products and setting up scenarios to shoot long distance so they can beat their chests and make videos. I do believe they know their stuff though.
Post by: merlo105 on March 25, 2009, 02:03:34 PM
Post by: Tony 270WSM on March 30, 2009, 07:23:36 AM
Second issue, they use target style hollowpoint bullets for big game hunting. At long ranges, it may work okay, but have seen them take a few close shots on big game, like moose. Those Bergers aren't designed for weight retention, heavy bone, etc. They are a hollow point. Am I missing something? Are they bonded? Are they designed for anything more than long range shooting (vs hunting)?