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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: X-Force on June 22, 2018, 12:23:26 AM
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Should be a fun fall...
Saw the selected for Bull Elk and was surprised I got the number 2 choice. Time to buckle down and really get into shape.
Norway Pass... never been there. Fact... Well no better time to learn.
Looks to be as difficult as a goat hunt with 4 times the weight packing out.
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Also got Norway Pass Elk Muzzleloader tag! I will happily read anything anyone knows about hunting this unit (message cool too if you wanna keep it on the down-low) . I reserved a camp spot but not all the camps are available.
Again...anything helps
Thanks!
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Very cool area. I've only backpacked there, never hunted it. A muzzy hunt there would be incredible. Its fairly open compared to the rest of W. WA, but that just makes 'em easier to see! Hope its a great hunt for you.
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I hike up there a lot, should be fun!! Get in shape! :tup:
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Is that the area below mt venus on the west side of venus? If so, I'd take a boat up coldwater lake, go to the very end of the lake and walk up hill for a long ways. Go up and over the ridge, shoot your bull. It's a heck of a haul, if it's not your area, forget all that I just said. :chuckle:
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Should be a fun fall...
Saw the selected for Bull Elk and was surprised I got the number 2 choice. Time to buckle down and really get into shape.
Norway Pass... never been there. Fact... Well no better time to learn.
Looks to be as difficult as a goat hunt with 4 times the weight packing out.
Depending on where you go it's not necessarily all steep. It's been a few years, but I found the off-trail harder than normal with all the knockdown.
Fun area. You should have a great hunt. Congrats!
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I had the rifle tag last year. Brutel hunt. Pme if you have any specific questions. I will try to attach a picture of the bull I killed. Good luck.
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That’s a good bull for up there, congrats! Looks like you needed that kuiu rain gear!
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Nice bull. That picture looks typical of the area, X-Force.
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Is that a goat on the rocks behind you elkontherun?
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Is that a goat on the rocks behind you elkontherun?
For sure.
I have my campsite reserved and a basic plan laid out. Right now it looks like me and my brother for the first 4 days then a couple more friends over the weekend. Im expecting cold and wet but hoping for a little nicer weather. Lol
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Is that a goat on the rocks behind you elkontherun?
That would sure make me feel all warm and fuzzy. Shooting an elk in goat country.
:yike:
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I recall reading his original post and it is a goat in the background.
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You got my choice. Congrats!! Should be an awesome hunt. Google Earth updated, looks like the herds moved. 2012 me and my son took what was left over after the archery and smoke pole boys were done. Most of what we scouted were gone when it came our turn. I can give any/all what I learned scouting, hunting, and packing off in the dark (Don't!). Was hoping I would be scouting it again. Going year by year if I keep putting in now.
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Scouting the unit is fairly simple, take glass get high and run the ridges. Be prepared for the weather, and stick to maintained trails if traveling in the dark especially solo. Easy to get cliffed out in the dark, and weather makes it at least 10 x worse. Once the seasons/rut start keeping track of the bull you may want gets alot tougher. But my experience is bulls will still be cowed up and even bugling at that time. So keep looking and odds are decent of finding him again.
I have never held a tag, but spend a fair share of time hiking etc..... I assisted a tag holder in 2016. Located a real solid 6 in an area I felt he could access but come October the bull had moved to a spot I was unsure we could get to. Weather rolled in bad and I was honestly worried about even getting a bull. With the drenching rain and socked in fog. But we made it in opening day and fortunately got into some backups, and after passing several rags he killed a mature 5x5. His first bull. Was a great hunt to be part of. The country is not what I would call big, but it's unforgiving and the weather will make or break how enjoyable it is imo. Oh and if possible have a couple good Packers.
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Thanks for the info and Pm's they are appreciated.
Camp site is reserved for the season.
Right now its looking like ill have 1 "ok" packer... but beggars cant be choosers.
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I hunted the last year it was still considered Margaret, and Margaret was a draw. I boated the lake and hunted myself. Although, after my bull was down, I called 5 buddies at 1 pm, they got to me at 10pm, then we were back to the Cold water parking lot at 8 am. That area is no joke if your not careful, and if all you end up with is 1 guy to help, I wouldn't temp yourself going in too deep. Hiking it is one thing, packing out elk and gear is a whole other beast. Guaranteed one of, if not the most beautiful hunts around. So have fun and be careful
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I've heard of people going across Coldwater Lake to get in. Is the Norway pass trailhead on the other side an option? It's obviously further but looks like maybe less elevation gain and better trails?
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Both ways seem to be an option.
I haven’t been either yet.
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Does anyone know if a game cart is allowed up there? I was looking at the Honey Badger Wheel for getting meat out.
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Im not saying that a game cart isn't allowed because im not sure, but if it was, I wouldn't waste my time with one. There are short sections of the trail that will be possible with a cart, but then there are a lot that are freaky on foot, let alone hanging onto a cart loaded with elk. Its a catch 22, because if you kill an elk in there far enough to want a cart, you will be in country that is not possible with a cart. Look at the pic that ELKONTHERUN posted, not much a cart can do for you there!!!!!!! :bdid: IMO
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Oh, and I came face to face with a cat about 15 minutes from the lake on the way out of one of my scouting weekends. So my advice is not to walk 10 feet on that trail if you don't have protection
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I've heard of people going across Coldwater Lake to get in. Is the Norway pass trailhead on the other side an option? It's obviously further but looks like maybe less elevation gain and better trails?
Internal combustion motors prohibited, so limited to paddling or electric. I've seen some scary you tube videos when the wind picks up. Nobody mentioned 'Hunters Trail' yet. Cuts time off, but brutal with a loaded pack. Norway Pass trailhead was easy for this old man.
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In Hunter's trail and out to Norway Pass Trailhead :tup:
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A game cart for Norway Pass !
I literally spit up coffee laughing :)
Viable Options:
: Helicopter
: (3) Buddies & 2-Days
: Pack Mules ***Dependent on where you get it. But still a huge help for miles
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Last year we went to take the hunters trail up it was a bit brushy to say the least. Over blow downs. Under blow downs. Pushing through brush getting soaked and very slippery. We finally said the heck with that. It's an easy trail if it was better maintained. For giggles we tried to go straight uphill off the hunters trail. Although it was an adventure I'd never do that again.lol
Gorgeous country. Pack frame is your best option. Most say they are ready for the hunt then show up and see the unit from a distance and end up driving around without stepping foot into the area.
Out of 18 to 20 tags last year between bull/cow hunters of all weapons I believe only 4 elk were reported taken.
The elk are there but you will earn it.
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Last year we went to take the hunters trail up it was a bit brushy to say the least. Over blow downs. Under blow downs. Pushing through brush getting soaked and very slippery. We finally said the heck with that. It's an easy trail if it was better maintained. For giggles we tried to go straight uphill off the hunters trail. Although it was an adventure I'd never do that again.lol
Gorgeous country. Pack frame is your best option. Most say they are ready for the hunt then show up and see the unit from a distance and end up driving around without stepping foot into the area.
Out of 18 to 20 tags last year between bull/cow hunters of all weapons I believe only 4 elk were reported taken.
The elk are there but you will earn it.
I second all of this. My best advice to anyone with this tag is to go in with help, and don't take it lightly. Be prepared for your worst case scenario. The weather will turn, and the country is not in your favor, it's in the elks. If you do go in from the lake, there is one trail in and out. And the chances of killing your elk close to that one trail is pretty dang small, so you best get ready to climb over blow down after blow down. Can't wait to hear how it goes
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Last year we went to take the hunters trail up it was a bit brushy to say the least. Over blow downs. Under blow downs. Pushing through brush getting soaked and very slippery. We finally said the heck with that. It's an easy trail if it was better maintained. For giggles we tried to go straight uphill off the hunters trail. Although it was an adventure I'd never do that again.lol
Gorgeous country. Pack frame is your best option. Most say they are ready for the hunt then show up and see the unit from a distance and end up driving around without stepping foot into the area.
Out of 18 to 20 tags last year between bull/cow hunters of all weapons I believe only 4 elk were reported taken.
The elk are there but you will earn it.
I second all of this. My best advice to anyone with this tag is to go in with help, and don't take it lightly. Be prepared for your worst case scenario. The weather will turn, and the country is not in your favor, it's in the elks. If you do go in from the lake, there is one trail in and out. And the chances of killing your elk close to that one trail is pretty dang small, so you best get ready to climb over blow down after blow down. Can't wait to hear how it goes
We had two tags for archery and didn't fill either one. We did have a good opportunity on one, but just to far back. It would have spoiled before we could have packed it out. We made the ethical choice not to shoot it. Just weren't able to get one close enough to where we could pack it out in a reasonable area. Beautiful area, but brutal on the body. I'm sure some of the guys that get animals in that area run into spoilage unless you bring in a crew to quickly pack it out.
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Very good H2o. Most wouldn't do that, and in the end waste most of the animal. It's hard enough to get your buck and camp out of there on your back, let alone a boned out elk. If you're prepared and have a solid game plan on how to get your bull out in a timely manner, then it can be an incredible hunt.
I can't tell you how many times over the past 20 years or better that I've been in there and ran out of food waiting for the weather to break. Or going to bed in 70 degrees temps and waking up to 3" snow. Or the intense lightning / thunder storms that roll in. I know I'll never forget the time I spent in there by myself or with my buddy. I always dreamed of hunting elk in there....Someday !
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Looking at it right now I plan on going up Coldwater Lake with a 17' boat and electric motor.
Boots on the ground scouting is up in the air until Nevada leftover results come out.
Lots of google earth, topo maps and searches for previous hunts.
Thank you to those who have pm'd me with info.
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My honest opinion?!?! I would put your boots on and go in there early so you know what you're up against. Google is great and talking with guys that have hunted it is even better. But i truly think anyone with this tag should get in there, and see what everyone is talking about first before you start making rash plans. Everything looks doable on google earth and guts that had packers were ok with going deep like I did. But I think putting your eyes on it first, then translating that to Google earth will help you understand and give you a sensible plan as to how you will go about the hunt. Just my :twocents:
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:yeah: Wise words.
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My honest opinion?!?! I would put your boots on and go in there early so you know what you're up against. Google is great and talking with guys that have hunted it is even better. But i truly think anyone with this tag should get in there, and see what everyone is talking about first before you start making rash plans. Everything looks doable on google earth and guts that had packers were ok with going deep like I did. But I think putting your eyes on it first, then translating that to Google earth will help you understand and give you a sensible plan as to how you will go about the hunt. Just my :twocents:
I think that's fair. Its not a big area but its big country. Except for the deadfalls it looks a lot like areas around Baker.
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A game cart for Norway Pass !
I literally spit up coffee laughing :)
Viable Options:
: Helicopter
: (3) Buddies & 2-Days
: Pack Mules ***Dependent on where you get it. But still a huge help for miles
Pack animals aren't allowed in Margaret Backcountry
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A game cart for Norway Pass !
I literally spit up coffee laughing :)
Viable Options:
: Helicopter
: (3) Buddies & 2-Days
: Pack Mules ***Dependent on where you get it. But still a huge help for miles
Pack animals aren't allowed in Margaret Backcountry
I had that same thought when I read the post. We're going up to scout in about 2 weeks and I'll see for myself whether a game cart (they have some nice one wheel carts with a disk brake) is feasible on any worthwhile stretches of trail. I still can't get a straight answer about whether or not it's allowed but it doesn't matter until I see the trails for myself. We're gonna go in both from the lake and from the NP trailhead on separate trips.
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I honestly would stick to pack frames. There are some decent trails in the unit and some not so good trails. Some of the unit gets very steep. Off trail travel is tons of blow downs and brushy and steep. My opinion is the cart would not be worth it. It would cause my harm then good. Best advise is to get use to hauling in your frame because if you get one I'm pretty sure that's how it will be hauled out. And have a couple people lined up to start packing meat.
We did a cow hunt in Mt. Whittier a few years back. Dropped a cow. It took 23 hours to get it out. Only 2 hours rest. Only 2 of us packing. Mid October and it reached over 80 degrees. Definitely bone out the meat.
Last year we dropped a cow in Norway pass in the morning and didn't get out till the next day. That was 3 people hauling. And weather was complete oposite. Snow, rain, wind. So be prepared for weather to the extremes. Elk are in there but success rates are low for a lot of reasons for permit holders. Being prepared for everything mentally and physically can give a better advantage
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I honestly would stick to pack frames. There are some decent trails in the unit and some not so good trails. Some of the unit gets very steep. Off trail travel is tons of blow downs and brushy and steep. My opinion is the cart would not be worth it. It would cause my harm then good. Best advise is to get use to hauling in your frame because if you get one I'm pretty sure that's how it will be hauled out. And have a couple people lined up to start packing meat.
We did a cow hunt in Mt. Whittier a few years back. Dropped a cow. It took 23 hours to get it out. Only 2 hours rest. Only 2 of us packing. Mid October and it reached over 80 degrees. Definitely bone out the meat.
Last year we dropped a cow in Norway pass in the morning and didn't get out till the next day. That was 3 people hauling. And weather was complete oposite. Snow, rain, wind. So be prepared for weather to the extremes. Elk are in there but success rates are low for a lot of reasons for permit holders. Being prepared for everything mentally and physically can give a better advantage
That all sounds really very reasonable. We talked about having a rig at both ends; one at the Coldwater Lake Parking Lot (assuming we take a boat across) and another at the Norway Pass Trailhead just in case we end up closer to there while hunting. That seems like a good idea?
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We hiked from Norway Pass Trailhead today and made it to Panhandle lake before we had to head back. Game cart is not possible. There's some great trail from Bear pass to the parking lot for a cart, but from Bear Pass on it's pretty gnarly.
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At least you got in there to see what it's like from a trail. It sounded like you've never been in there before. It's very pretty country, with some bulls thinking that they're mountain goats !!!
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My son drew the goat tag in there this year so we will be enjoying the workout also!
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Snort,
That's awesome about your boy drawing that tag !!!
Have fun and Be Safe.
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Hit some goat country this weekend with my favorite hunting partner. Not nearly the elevation or mileage as Norway Pass but it felt good getting out there.
My first scouting trip is scheduled for 8/10. I plan to use it as a dry run for the trip. Boat up the lake, pack into camp, hit the ridges, couple days of scouting and back out.
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Very Cool !
Great pic :)
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:) Makes my heart feel good seeing parents getting their kids involved in the outdoors. :tup:
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Thanks for the info and Pm's they are appreciated.
Camp site is reserved for the season.
Right now its looking like ill have 1 "ok" packer... but beggars cant be choosers.
You put one on the ground. I’ll be more then happy to come help you pack it out. Only thing I ask. Share a cold beverage once done. Pm me if your interested.
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X-Force,
Cool pic! I recognized the spot right away.
Looks like there is still quite a bit of snow on the higher elevations.
Thanks for posting those pics, good job getting your daughter out in God's country!
:tup:
Scott
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X-Force,
Cool pic! I recognized the spot right away.
Looks like there is still quite a bit of snow on the higher elevations.
Thanks for posting those pics, good job getting your daughter out in God's country!
:tup:
Scott
Man I love that area and it was great to share it with my daughter. She did great for 4 miles round trip, I didn't have to push her at all, she was all about gaining elevation. There is still a lot of snow up there. She wants to bring a sled next time.
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All but packed up.
Fundraiser tomorrow then off to the hills for a week.
The plan is to get into camp Sunday afternoon and do some scouting before season.
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Good luck my friend and have a great, but safe hunt. Can't wait to see how it goes :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
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I am hearing the cats are big and on the trails at night hunting. Pack some heat! Good luck!
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After this hunt I can say that the views and country are epic. Just amazing everywhere you look.
The trail isn’t in the best shape and some slides had almost no footing and a big pucker factor.
I wish I had more photos but I only took 20 or 30.
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@X-Force did you connect up there?
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Bulls were screaming... all times of the day, on Wednesday I was trying to sleep in and a 6 point was above snow lake sounding off every five minutes or so. He had a 4pt satellite and 16 cows.
There were 15-18 bulls at least in the bottom of Mt. Whittier unit.
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That's awesome! :tup: did you put one down?
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If anyone draws this unit it can be the hunt of a lifetime. The miles and terrain are real. Bring 3 or 4 buddies who will are in shape and like to pack. This is not a two guy or solo hunt.
Sunday was beautiful a little overcast but cold water was placid. I got there late, loaded up the canoe and hit the water. Paddling across the lake I realized I wasn’t willing to hike to camp before dark.
Did I say the terrain is real? Well Monday it was wet too. Miserable wet. I think the trail says snow lake is 4 miles. My health app says 4.8. A USFS guy walking the trail for maintenance schedule said it was 6 miles from Mt Whittier to the trail intersection by the lake.
After slogging to camp, everything was wet, I was cold and with no visibility I wasn’t able to scout, beat brush and possibly bump animals out of the country.
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That's the thing about that area, it can be brutal!!! I actually think the F&G should make all those tags earlier, just for safety reasons. Having tags that entice canoeing across Coldwater in October is sketchy in itself!! When I hunted it a couple years ago, I hunted it as Margaret, the last year it was a draw. I drew the archery tag so my hunt was Sept 6-16 (I think) and even then the nights would get down to mid 30s. And in order to hunt it, you have to camp, it's too far to be coming in and out every day. Best hunt ever, but it's no joke.
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Awesome area and fun hunt. Xforce did you connect with a bull?
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Between Wednesday and Friday I put on 60 miles.
Long days, long nights, but the views were phenomenal. I only wish i could have enjoyed it more.
I promised my oldest that her and i would go deer hunting in Winthrop opening weekend I wasnt going to let her down.
After dealing with the rain all day Monday and hunkering down in the tent, i was hoping my luck would change for opening day of the permit, Tuesday. Unfortunately, Tuesday was more of the same. It was wet, cold and socked in. I started out from camp climbing over the ridge to the west. While working the side hills blind with the wind in my face i bumped a couple elk but never saw them. All morning I worked mid hill on the backside of lake Venus and came up empty.
Mid afternoon the clouds still socked in everything so I worked my way down a finger towards miners creek. About 2 pm i heard a bugle, then another farther down in the canyon. Not wanting to go in blind I stayed up on the finger and waited, and waited... By 4 pm the clouds started to break. First i could see the small draw next to me. Then, i could see miners creek. All the while the clouds would blow out, sock in and blow out, so visibility was still very poor.
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Tagging
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Man even wet and socked in this place is beautiful
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An idea of what opening day was like
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Holy crap, that's cool looking country.
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When the cloud finally broke enough to glass a bright spot below me yielded a brown sided critter milling around. It was obviously a bull and was probably 1/2 mile away and 700' below me. The visual only lasted 10 or so minutes, I could tell he was big enough for me look at more closely and that to do that i would have to backtrack around the mountain a mile or so to get onto a ridge that wasn't cliffed out. With it being this late in the evening and knowing roughly where the bull was I didnt wait for the clouds to lift again, I dove down the next ridge line and got to within 200 yards of where i thought the bull would be.
Where I thought the last finger had to many cliffs to access the bull, the new ridge didnt have to many clifts just one large one that towered 200-300 feet above the canyon. I worked my way down to the edge. There was an outcropping with a couple dead trees, blue berry bushes and a fallen jog the jetted out from the cliff some 4-5 feet. Dropped my pack on an open spot and crawled over to the lip with a couple quick loads, binos, rangefinder and muzzle-loader. Within a minute or 2 the bull showed himself. He walked out of some jack firs, lit up by the sun piercing the clouds. It was a beautiful site.
The mountains are solid granite carved out by prehistoric glaciers. The water the flows through them have done little to change the the topography. Instead, its the glacier carved valleys with a carpet of thick, colorful vegetation that dominate the landscape. This bull lived in heaven.
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This is where the experience went south, I admit I let my ego get the best of me. He was 174 yards out and a very steep angle down... I dont know percent but enough...
I go through 2 dry runs to make sure everything was comfortable. I end up having to move my footing, take off my bino harness. and situate everything so that I'm comfortable.
Open peep sight, 209 primer, 100g of pellets, 240 gr bullet...
My anchor it solid and I miss. I pull up my binos and the bull is just standing there, looking around. So, i load again, get a solid rest, the bull takes a couple steps closer, I miss again. In my mind I'm asking myself a million questions. I keep watching the bull and he looks around for 30-40 seconds and goes back to eating. What the Heck!
I brush my barrel and load the gun again. The bull is feeding to the right, is behind some dead standing timber and I wait for a couple minutes for him to offer a clear shot. I range again... 165 yards. Solid anchor and....
MISS!
Man I wish I was making this stuff up, ill probably get flamed for it but its true. I missed 3 straight times, ran out of quick loads, and had a decision to make.
I go back to my pack and reload the quick loads. When i get back to my shooting platform I think to myself, it has to be the angle. How do i compensate? Do i just give up, he is clearly unwound-ed and unfazed by this exchange. My ego gets the best of me. I tell myself ill hold low and everything will be fine.
I reload my gun for the 4th shot. By this time I'm just furious with myself. I range the bull 170 yards. He is literally milling around in a semi circle just eating. As I comp for the angle (in my mind), and anchor, I hear the sound of metal sliding down something. I look up and had left my ramrod in the barrel and it nearly fell out and down a giant cliff.
I flip the barrel up and snag the rod. Putting the rod back inline with my barrel put everything into prospective. How the angle was too great, my misses should have told me that... but i still didnt listen.
I anchored, breathed, squeeze and !! MISS AGAIN. unbelievable!
Why am I even shooting at this point?
I do have another quick load so I load again... this time I cant miss. The bull at this point knows somethings up. He doesn't know from where or what is happening but he still hasn't moved. I tell myself that this is my last shot. I breath, by this time there is no adrenaline, I hold solid, the smoke clears and i clearly missed a 5th time. Rehashing this I am getting angry with myself. Dumb! straight up stupid.
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The bull started moving to the west. Not like he was in a hurry just in the mood for some new country.
Loading up my gear, needing to brush my barrel, I look at maps and figure out where he is going and what i can do to close the distance. It takes a couple minutes to clean, reload and to verify i have all of my gear.
Working my way back up the ridge and around to another finger I am blind to any of the bulls movements. It is getting closer to dark, 6 pm and the question comes to mind is it worth it being this far back? Im probably 2 miles from camp walking and a mile as the crow flies. The bull is 300-500' lower in elevation than camp and there is a big ridge line in between he and camp.
As I drop further in the valley down the ridge I catch movement just across the way. The bull is almost parallel with me at 144 yards but i want to get closer. I keep working my way down the face to a couple of dead standing trees as the bull crosses a small stream and is quartered away from me. He stand there for a couple seconds giving me the opportunity to brace against a tree.
As the smoke clears I look... He is looking around again, I almost start to panic with the thought of another miss, but then he stumbles and folds. He rolls down the hill and gets pinned against a large cedar dead-fall. Bull down!
This is when the magnitude of the job ahead hits me. 2 miles from camp, 1000' to get him out of the canyon we are in, just after 6 at night and solo.
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Woohoo !!! That’s a adventure!! Memories for a lifetime big congrats
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Gotta say, you had me worried for a bit! :chuckle: Congrats.
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You are one of few guys that braved that area and were successful at doing so!!! Well done, and I'm sure you are, but you should be proud of yourself. Awesome job
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Great story, congratulations!
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Congrats man!! That’s a great looking bull. Keep the pics coming!!
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Awesome story and nice bull
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Congratulations! Great write up. Looks like a lot of work.
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Awesome write up and spectacular bull. Thanks for sharing.
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Great story, way to seal the deal.
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Congrats on the bull, awesome country and experience :tup: I'd recommend a range finder that has yardage calculated with the angle, instead of LOS :P
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Thanks for sharing your hunt and congratulations on getting your bull.
Pic on page three i think, looking down at a drainage. The wife and i hiked there 5 or so years ago. Like you posted, beautiful country. The mountain really did its thing back in 80.
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After a couple photos and setting out all the gear for the task ahead, the work starts. The hill he is rested on is so steep I never have to bend over to work on him. He fell and rolled in a way where his left two legs pinned him under a cedar log. Still, with the angle of the hill I didnt feel comfortable working on him until after securing his antler to a stump.
Skinning, quartering and de-boning the first half of the elk took about 3 hours. After that it got fun for a little bit. It took a carabiner pulley system to pull the bull up and roll him over to the other side. By 1:30 all the meat was off the skeleton, quarters were hanging and I was ready for bed.
During the process I found the bullet. It worked flawlessly. Coming in high behind the left shoulder it used up all its energy and stopped on the right side of the sternum. Both lungs were toast and there was minimal meat damage. I cant thank @Sabotloader enough for the help setting up my gun, and helping me pick out my bullet/sabot combo.
By 3 I was back to camp and cooking dinner. Exhausted, elated, and ready for a full belly and some shut eye.
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Wednesday morning as soon as the sun came up my sleep was rudely interrupted. On the hill just above camp a bull kept sounding off... or a hunter. Either way every time I would nod back off he or it would sound off... or his cows would start chatting... by 8 am I couldnt sleep any longer. I half expected to get out of camp only to see a hunter or 2 up on the hill trying to call a bull on the out of the hole behind camp. But instead, there were 16 cows, a 6 pt and a satellite 4 pt about 500 yard from camp. Man it was a beautiful sight. Bulls were pushing cows, the sounds of fall roared through the canyon. The scene looked like a post card.
The colors in this area, this time of year area amazing. Purples, pinks, bright reds, greens, white rocks, I wish i could put into words what that country looks like. It really is a heavenly place.
It took some time getting back down to the kill. While en-route I was trying to formulate a plan for the rest of my trip.
Before I left on this adventure I had asked 10+ people to go and they all had work or modern season that would get in the way. So I went it alone, I figured might as well suffer alone too... (probably a really stupid idea)
Wednesdays plan was to move the meat to the trail. It was right about 2 miles and 5 trips to get 4 quarters bags, 1 loose meat bag, and head back to the trail. I like taking breaks so instead of making straight shots from kill to trail the trip was broken up into 2 stages, get the bull out of the hole and then to the trail.
It was wonderful weather, beautiful scenery everywhere, bumped elk every couple hours and bulls were sounding off throughout the day.
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I forgot one of the best parts about this story. The camping situations in this area are a pain. There is designated camp spots that must be reserved. Monday I showed up to the camp site and found that with a Sawtooth my tent would be pitched with the back of the tend in the uphill position... meaning my head would be down hill... And if that wasn't bad enough the camp area is sand. The stakes go in easy enough but the they also come out easy too. Staking the tent down took some time but i felt that with the lack of wind I shouldn't be concerned with a better anchor system.
That changed about 12 O'clock at night. The wind came in and started popping stakes. To make matters worse the wind was coming from the tall side of the tent so there was more surface for the wind to grab. Running around, getting pelted by wind and rain, half awake i scoured the sand flat for rocks big enough to hold stakes down. It was freezing and miserable work. Finally the job was done and i crawled back into the sack... As i look around the tent to make sure none of the stakes are moving i see something else... The rain is coming down so hard its flowing into the tent... I have lakes forming on each side of me. I grab a piece of wood and start making a ditch behind the tent drip line to divert the rising water... More cold, wet, miserable work.
After another 20 minutes of that I pass out. Periodically, giant gusts would slam into the tent rousing me from much needed slumber... by 2 or 3 my ditches are filled with sand and i have to re excavate the perimeter.
By sun up Tuesday morning, it didnt matter what weather was like outside... it was better to face it out there then deal with the problems of being in a tent all day.
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Wednesdays "short" day allowed me to get some much needed sleep and game plan for the rest of the week. I was getting inreach messages from home saying that my oldest daughter was fully expecting me to be there opening weekend of modern firearm. I was not going to disappoint her.
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Could mods re-orientate photos please. I dont know why they are flipping on me.
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Thursdays my plan was to pack up camp and figure out what loads will go together; camp, meat and antlers. After organizing the items into units the first trip began.
The trail is great in spots, terrible in others and sometimes is just a giant pain in the butt. There are multiple slides where footing can be almost nonexistent. Some of the deadfalls are so large its a scramble to get over them. Others are so low hanging its an army crawl to get under them.
My best guess is that each load going out was roughly 80 lbs. This first load felt all of that and by the time I got to the lake i needed a meal, change of socks, foot care and some rest. During the R&R a boat trolled by and laded a couple toad trout... Man it would have been nice to bring a pole.
On the trail back to the cash i decided i wasnt going for broke with staight shots in and out. Instead i wanted to get all the meat past the chute area before dark. The antlers were especially concerning because in the chute/slide areas there was not way you could walk down the trail with the head on the frame.
1 hour was the time i gave myself to drop down out of the chutes and to "easier" areas below.
I dont know how far that section of hiking was because i was more focused on just getting the meat down and in a cool spot during the heat of the day.
The first load was lighter, the second load was a shoulder and antlers. Its amazing, even tired how much you can focus when things get sketchy. On multiple chutes I had to toe into the hill with minimal footing, large drops below and almost nothing for hand holds... Prayers were sent at almost a continuous basis.
The third load was done in the dark and by this time i plugged into an audio book. It was definitely helpful to listen to books during the pack-out portion of this adventure. Ive never done it before but it was worth it being on the trail for this long.
The forth load was a shot straight to the bottom and the lake. During the decent I tried to talk myself into walking until all the bags were lakeside but in the end a sleeping bag called my name. Crashing for a couple hours helped... but it was also discouraging seeing how many miles I still had to go.
Over 26 miles on Thursday.
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During messages back and forth with my wife we decided my daughter would head to Winthrop without me. I would have to work my tail off to catch up.
Early Friday the work started. I hiked up to the loads and decided I didnt want to go through the canyon during the middle of the day. Instead, I dropped a couple hundred feet elevation and into the lower more vegetated area along the trail. There I found a stream the provided a constant cool breeze and a perfect place to stash meat during the trek out today.
Shuttling the meat down to the lower elevation took time and there were very few people on the trail. Around 2:30 the Mt. Whittier permit holder was coming down the hill and he and his partner offered to wait for me at the lake. I cannot tell you how motivating that was!
At 4:40 the last load of a quarter and antlers reached the lake. I was greeted with a couple venison pepperoni sticks and a Gatorade. We loaded up the canoe, jumped in the drift boat and putted across the lake. Looking back at the canyon and the adventure behind me, I was struck by the jagged peaks, brilliant fall colors and the unique beauty of the area. What an amazing experience.
Thank you Craig and Pete.
Friday was over 22 miles.
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It took some time getting meat to the butcher, clothes washed, and gear organized. I missed opening morning of modern but I think my daughter had enough fun she forgot I missed it.
Saturday evening I arrived at camp Templeton, so named because food is the main stay at deer camp. Within a couple hours my BiL has a whitetail doe down and the kids in camp are all smiles.
Elk heart, chicken pot pie and pumpkin pie is the menu for dinner.
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Sunday was a day i have been looking forward to all summer. My oldest told me she wanted to go deer hunting so today would be the day. Our goal was to fill a second whitetail antlerless permit. We hit low country, hills and of course Winthrop for some ice cream.
In the morning we had a doe and fawn come running out of the timber as we pulled onto public. They came right past the truck, jumped the highway and across to another unit and were no longer legal... I thought our day was a bust.
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During the afternoon Saylean and his step son joined the hunt. He had a youth antlerless permit for the same area so we started covering ground.
We ran into hunters, No Trespassing signs and were getting pretty discouraged. With an hour left of shooting light we decided to hit the river bottoms and find some public land that could hold deer.
We find a spot with a couple does and make a plan. The kid and I would go after the does and once he dropped on I would have my turn.
On our approach the does bump and bound into the timber. We try and close the distance when we see something out of the corner of our eye. A deer right along the grass line looking at us!
Its a whitetail. My nephew gets a solid rest and asks me if its a buck... I pull up my binos. its obviously a buck!.... I say no no (any buck so it doesnt matter)... its a doe just focus on the vitals.
He anchors and squeezes. BOOM! the buck doesnt move... He has a difficult time reloading with the adrenaline pumping so I load and hand the rifle back to him. The buck takes one step then... BOOM! he drops. What a shot!
I grab my nephew and say its a Buck!!! you were right!!!
He is grinning ear to ear. Soon we are joined by Saylean and my daughter.
What a day.
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Half your pics are upside bro! 😂😂 lots of work for the elk man. Glad you came back....and was successful
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Jeez I don't know what's up with your pictures. I don't have time to flip them all and I have no clue why so many of them are flipped.
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I'll take some time later on and flip them over if nobody else does.
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X Force
Great work man! You are an animal LOL!! :tup:
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JBeaumont21 your inbox is full. Thanks for the pm.
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Thanks for taking the time to write all of that up. I enjoyed reading it very much.
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Awesome write up, thanks for the story and pics! Great work :tup:
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:tup: :tup: Doing it the hard way...
I wish people would shout out on here when they need help packing..i live for that type of pure physical exhaustion..
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Nice bull and great pics and write up! Congrats!
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Great write up and nice bull.
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Amazing adventure! I thoroughly reading every minute. Great Job!! :tup: :tup:
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Reading your story literally brought me back to all those emotions when I hunted it 3 years ago. I specifically remember the euphoria of getting that bull loaded in the boat and looking up that canyon one last time before setting sail across. One of my buddies had just come off a torn Achilles and was giving the full go like 2 weeks before the pack out. So when we got to the lake and loaded, I insisted he boat it across while the rest of us walked it. Great write up and thanks for doing it
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JBeaumont21 your inbox is full. Thanks for the pm.
Sorry fixed it now. U bet!
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Not sure if this is the same guy but here's a few pics of bulls in the same area a couple weeks before your hunt. I was thinking the wide bull lying down might be him.
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Thanks for posting the photos.
Its hard to tell. The size is right but my bulls antlers are super dark with ivory tips.