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Title: Bear pile ID?
Post by: quadrafire on June 25, 2018, 07:47:10 PM
49 area. Really fresh. Anyway to tell black bear from grizzly?
Size 11 boot

Or could this be something other than bear?
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Post by: Timberstalker on June 25, 2018, 07:51:29 PM
What did it taste like?
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Post by: quadrafire on June 25, 2018, 07:55:38 PM
Tangy hint of sweetness. Didn't smell too bad either.
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Post by: dreamunelk on June 25, 2018, 08:02:59 PM
Large ungulate - Moose?
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Post by: quadrafire on June 25, 2018, 08:07:26 PM
Large ungulate - Moose?
Interesting. I've kinda wondered that as there are moose droppings all over the area.
No plant material/browse I see in moose
Stuff though??
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Post by: quadrafire on June 25, 2018, 08:08:40 PM
Smooth and creamy. I saved a sample for eval. If I find out anything I'll report back here
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Post by: Buckhunter82 on June 25, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
Probably just bigfoot. They're pretty common around there.
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Post by: Knocker of rocks on June 25, 2018, 10:24:06 PM
Grizzly poop has bear bells in it and tastes like pepper spray
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 26, 2018, 05:14:41 AM
Domestic cow
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Post by: quadrafire on June 26, 2018, 05:45:17 AM
Domestic cow
No cattle in the area
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Post by: jackelope on June 26, 2018, 06:54:08 AM
@bearpaw

Thoughts?
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Post by: Caseknife on June 26, 2018, 06:57:23 AM
Loose moose would be my guess.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on June 26, 2018, 07:19:41 AM
Elk
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Post by: jasnt on June 26, 2018, 07:24:20 AM
I would expect some fur or huckleberrys this time of year in 49.
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Post by: quadrafire on June 26, 2018, 07:46:23 AM
I didn't dig through all of it, but there were no visible berries/seeds/hair, no roughage that is typical of moose/elk.  Nothing but smooth consistent texture. Within 1/2 mile there was the remains of a consumed cow moose, but not fresh.
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Post by: Oldguy on June 26, 2018, 07:59:36 AM
Local politician out berry picking? They are known for being full of you know what!  :chuckle:
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Post by: kckrawler on June 26, 2018, 11:01:11 AM
Loose moose would be my guess.

 :yeah:
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Post by: buglebrush on June 26, 2018, 11:37:37 AM
Elk. It's been eating that fresh green grass.
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 26, 2018, 11:47:53 AM
Bear. Moose isn't even close to that. Moose is a pellet shape. Never have seen soft moose poo......
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Post by: pianoman9701 on June 26, 2018, 12:23:18 PM
Elk. It's been eating that fresh green grass.
:yeah: ...or mushrooms. I've seen them completely liquid after the elk have moved through a good porcini patch.
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Post by: bearpaw on June 26, 2018, 12:28:12 PM
I didn't dig through all of it, but there were no visible berries/seeds/hair, no roughage that is typical of moose/elk.  Nothing but smooth consistent texture. Within 1/2 mile there was the remains of a consumed cow moose, but not fresh.

How old was the eaten cow moose? Could this be bear poo that is digested rotten meat? That can cause a bear to leave a large pile that isn't in the normal round shape and texture you normally see. A pile of bear poo after eating meat can seem similar to chocolate pudding with a strong oder.

A cow has four stomachs and is about the only animal that can completely digest plant matter to the point that it doesn't appear to chewed up plants. Pretty much any other animal is going to have some plant texture in the poo if it's eating plant matter. A lot of cattle are just getting put out on the forest so that may be what this is even though it doesn't look like normal cow poo.

Sometimes ungulates will be loose in the spring and not put out the usual pellets, but that pile looks pretty big, not sure an elk or moose would put out that much in one pile.

What does it smell like?
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Post by: quadrafire on June 26, 2018, 01:27:40 PM
I didn't dig through all of it, but there were no visible berries/seeds/hair, no roughage that is typical of moose/elk.  Nothing but smooth consistent texture. Within 1/2 mile there was the remains of a consumed cow moose, but not fresh.

How old was the eaten cow moose? Could this be bear poo that is digested rotten meat? That can cause a bear to leave a large pile that isn't in the normal round shape and texture you normally see. A pile of bear poo after eating meat can seem similar to chocolate pudding with a strong oder.

A cow has four stomachs and is about the only animal that can completely digest plant matter to the point that it doesn't appear to chewed up plants. Pretty much any other animal is going to have some plant texture in the poo if it's eating plant matter. A lot of cattle are just getting put out on the forest so that may be what this is even though it doesn't look like normal cow poo.

Sometimes ungulates will be loose in the spring and not put out the usual pellets, but that pile looks pretty big, not sure an elk or moose would put out that much in one pile.

What does it smell like?
This was pretty deep in 49, south of the ski hill. I have never seen cattle in there, but couldn't say there is not a rogue critter running around.
 
The cow moose carcass was old, likely several months.

I have access to a microscope at work and looked at the sample under magnification. There is quite a bit of plant material microscopically but that could still be present in an omnivore . One of my colleagues commented that it didn't smell as bad as dog poop, but honestly I didn't smell it. It was not overpowering when I collected the sample.
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Post by: 2MANY on June 26, 2018, 02:46:58 PM
I've seen McDonald's cause this.
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Post by: idaho guy on June 26, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
Elk. It's been eating that fresh green grass.

 :yeah: or moose it is a massive pile- I have seen a lot of loose moose elk tirds like that after to much green grass in the spring. Or bigfoot :chuckle:
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Post by: quadrafire on June 26, 2018, 03:02:40 PM
Anyway to DNA test it? I could go back and get another sample. If it is Bigfoot we may be onto something  :chuckle:
But they always hide their stuff, right?
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Post by: Dhoey07 on June 26, 2018, 03:23:34 PM
Moose poop gets really sloppy when they are scrounging for food and eating whatever they can.   That's my vote.
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Post by: tlbradford on June 26, 2018, 05:27:42 PM
I would lean towards moose as well.  It looks like the upper right and left side of the pile is loosely formed into a pellet.  If you had asked me to guess not based on location I would have said cow.
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Post by: quadrafire on June 26, 2018, 06:46:19 PM
Thanks for all the input folks. It is really interesting how nature keeps us guessing about some things. One of the main reasons I get out there and knock around
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Post by: JWEBB on June 26, 2018, 10:21:17 PM
Gonna have to say elk. Must have got into a bad patch of feed
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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 27, 2018, 08:59:31 AM
Ruminant on hot feed.  Based on the info in the post I'll vote moose.
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Post by: lastmk8 on June 27, 2018, 10:23:12 AM
My vote, color off a little, but that could be the quality of feed in the area......


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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 27, 2018, 10:57:24 AM
I've shoveled that and elephant too  :chuckle: The non-ruminant large herbivores have really inefficient digestive systems and the plant stem fibers (cellulose) are largely intact.  Rhino biscuits are smaller than elephant, and they are much more obliging, doing their dumps at the same location (that's a captive facility as you can see where someone has cleaned up the previous piles - otherwise the piles are impressive to say the least).  Elephant biscuits are volleyball size!  And, they drop them indiscriminately everywhere they go.

Cliff Claven, amateur scatologist
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Post by: Timberstalker on June 27, 2018, 10:58:16 AM
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: JL on June 29, 2018, 12:45:33 PM
I think it's bear.
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Post by: Hoythunter on July 02, 2018, 03:57:26 PM
Elk
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Post by: NRA4LIFE on July 02, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
I think Quad is messing with us.  I'm guessing it's his own after a rough night at Taco Bell.
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Post by: hunter399 on July 02, 2018, 04:59:45 PM
Rub some on your face,tell us if you feel like a bear.Then put it in your mouth and see if it tastes like a bear ,then you we'll no for sure. :tup: :chuckle:
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Post by: quadrafire on July 02, 2018, 06:02:03 PM
I think Quad is messing with us.  I'm guessing it's his own after a rough night at Taco Bell.
Ha.... Thanks Buddy... ;)
I'm trying to think of a good come back and can't.....LOL
I do like the 5$ Taco Bell menu occasionally....Ha
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Post by: dreamunelk on July 02, 2018, 07:36:51 PM
Too solid for Taco Bell!
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Post by: NRA4LIFE on July 02, 2018, 07:48:08 PM
Lord I apologize.  There's an NHL (or ex now?) named Barry Trotz.  I think this may be berry trots, my vote is bear.
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Post by: ruttnbuck on July 07, 2018, 03:56:56 PM
Here's a pile I ran across the other morning
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Post by: Alchase on July 09, 2018, 06:43:12 PM
Checked smell, concistancy, color, taste, good thing you did not step in that moose poop, lol
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