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Other Hunting => Bird Dogs => Topic started by: yorketransport on July 15, 2018, 07:52:20 AM

Title: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: yorketransport on July 15, 2018, 07:52:20 AM: This time of year I have a hard time getting my WPG out in the woods as often as either of us would like because of the heat. When we do go out it’s early morning or late evening when it’s a bit cooler, but she still gets very hot. I always try plan the trips so that we can walk to either a river or lake so she can get in and cool off but then I find myself having to leave her at the house when I’m headed out to pick berries or something like that. Even bringing along lots of water for her she just gets too hot.

I’m just curious what you guys do to keep your dogs comfortable in the heat while you’re out in he woods. I hate leaving Pepper behind, but I’d hate even more for her to get heat stressed.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 15, 2018, 10:46:09 AM: have you tried a haircut or at least a heavy brushing if the dog's hair is too short for a cut?
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: dontgetcrabs on July 15, 2018, 11:03:17 AM: My rule is that if it's not to hot for me it's not to hot for my dogs.

Is your dog old? Maybe a health issue?
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: 3dvapor on July 15, 2018, 11:08:04 AM: shave her except for beard and she'll be good to go. She'll thank you. it will grow back by bird season.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: Knocker of rocks on July 15, 2018, 11:28:10 AM: Quote from: dontgetcrabs on July 15, 2018, 11:03:17 AM
My rule is that if it's not to hot for me it's not to hot for my dogs.

Is your dog old? Maybe a health issue?

Humans natural ability to deal with heat is among the best of all animals, if not the best. That is why the San of South Africa, Botswana and Namibia can walk their prey to death. Fido is not nearly as good.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: yorketransport on July 15, 2018, 12:07:43 PM: She's 5 years old and in excellent heath. I thought about cutting her fur shorter, but I've had multiple folks (including the Vet) tell me not to. Her coat is on the longer side of normal compared to a lot of other WPGs I see, but not too thick after we brushed out her winter coat a while back. What are everyone's thoughts on shaving a double coat dog?

Maybe I'm over thinking it. She's still plenty active while we're out, but noticeably less than when it's closer to 50 degrees out. After a good swim she's back to normal for a while. I just got in the habit of planning our trips so that she can get at least a couple minutes of swimming in on our walks. Even in the winter, she'll find any water she can and take off swimming! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on July 15, 2018, 12:17:14 PM: Do not shave your dog. period.

Here is a thermal image of a dog with a portion of its body at 24°C (75.2°F) and the clipped portion at 30.8°C(87.44°F.) The hair is present for several reasons, one of them being for temperature regulation. ☀🌡

Please dont shave dogs who have double coats you're not helping them stay cool. Dogs who have dual coats should not be shaved and instead need regular grooming to keep the coat in good condition to properly insulate your dog. Your risking ruining their coat permanently and getting them Sun burned.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: dontgetcrabs on July 15, 2018, 12:26:20 PM: Quote from: Knocker of rocks on July 15, 2018, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: dontgetcrabs on July 15, 2018, 11:03:17 AM
My rule is that if it's not to hot for me it's not to hot for my dogs.

Is your dog old? Maybe a health issue?

Humans natural ability to deal with heat is among the best of all animals, if not the best. That is why the San of South Africa, Botswana and Namibia can walk their prey to death. Fido is not nearly as good.

I doubt they would ever catch any of my Fidos, no matter how hot it was. :tung:
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: yorketransport on July 15, 2018, 12:29:08 PM: Quote from: wapiti hunter2 on July 15, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
Do not shave your dog. period,

Here is a thermal image of a dog with a portion of its body at 24°C (75.2°F) and the clipped portion at 30.8°C(87.44°F.) The hair is present for several reasons, one of them being for temperature regulation. ☀🌡

Please dont shave dogs who have double coats you're not helping them stay cool. Dogs who have dual coats should not be shaved and instead need regular grooming to keep the coat in good condition to properly insulate your dog. Your risking ruining their coat permanently and getting them Sun burned.

That's a great picture, thanks!

I never liked the idea of trimming my dog's coat, but mostly for aesthetic reasons. Her scruffy appearance is part of the reason I went with a WPG instead of a different bread. If it offered some benefit though and helped her stay comfortable I'd be fine with it.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: kselkhunter on July 15, 2018, 02:03:36 PM: I typically try to focus on areas that I know have creeks/rivers/lakes for the dogs to cool off in. But I always pack plenty of water for them as well. I try to go in the early morning hours in the summer months, and avoid the heat of the day. I can usually tell when they're getting hot, and I'll stop in the shade with them and make them sit in the shade for a bit with some water.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: runamuk on July 15, 2018, 02:04:31 PM: You can get cooling clothing/blankets for them just like for us. I have seen them used extensively at dog shows. We just dont go out, but I have asthma and incredibly low heat tolerance. I only subject myself to extreme heat for work.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: ghosthunter on July 15, 2018, 04:13:14 PM: Plan your trips along streams. Cool when needed.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: Pegasus on July 15, 2018, 07:32:11 PM: Had a young GSP about 18 months old that I hunted on the far side of Crab Creek on a hot day in mid October. After several miles of hunting my dog started to act funny by walking in small circles with the sage brush right in his face when he suddenly keeled over dead or so I thought. He did not move as I examined him. He had hunted hard up until the last minute. Through the tears I examined him thinking a rattlesnake probably bit him but I could find no marks or blood from the punctures. I could see no breathing , so I checked for a heartbeat and found it was still beating. I hit his mouth with a squirt from my water bottle and finally got a reaction. I forced water down his throat and he eventually raised his head. I decided to carry him out. I walked over two miles with a sixty pound dog in my arms and a shotgun with no sling. Many times I had to leave my gun and gear and carry him and return for my gear. As I tired the dog became heavier and my trips to retrieve my gear became shorter and shorter. The good news was the dog became a little more alert each time. About 500 yards from my vehicle a covey of quail flushed and I could tell it got the dog's attention so I put him down on the ground and he was able to walk very slowly at first but by the time we were close to the car he was running around like nothing ever happened. I think the dog just wanted a free lift home. :chuckle: Over his lifespan we had a few more adventures over other issues but I never had to carry him again.

The moral of the story is to make sure your dog remains hydrated the entire time that you hunt even if you are close to water. And make sure you think about what you can do if your dog goes down for whatever reason and you are far from help. Carrying a dog is not easy especially when you are loaded with gear. Also remember that many hunting dog breeds will run themselves into the ground before stopping. If it is really hot out , leave the dog home especially if it is a GSP.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: jackelope on July 15, 2018, 07:32:45 PM: I would agree definitely don’t cut his coat down. It’s there for a reason.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: Stein on July 15, 2018, 08:39:04 PM: Quote from: ghosthunter on July 15, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
Plan your trips along streams. Cool when needed.

:yeah:

I took our chocolate lab out on Saturday for a long ruck and ended up getting her wet twice to cool off and get a drink.

They aren't any more fragile than we are, but I do remember that they can't sweat and take any advantage to get them cooled.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: aaronoto on July 16, 2018, 10:41:35 PM: My griffon is the same way in regards to heat. I think they can take more then we think they can, but from what I've read of dogs that have overheated the symptoms come on very quickly. I don't worry so much if we're in the woods hiking or whatnot as we're often in cover that provides shade, but I avoid early season hunting solely to avoid the heat. Keep doing what you're doing, and if not close to water, pack a ton of water so you can wet her down on occasion. A dog that is in shape will definitely help as well. Whatever you do, don't shave her coat, it might be time for a good stripping though.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: Alex4200 on July 17, 2018, 12:10:28 AM: Several years ago I was in South Dakota for the Pheasant opener in October. It was the hottest opener on record. I don’t remember exact numbers but there was something like 40 dogs that died in the field state wide that weekend from heat stress. The daytime temperature wasn’t that high, I want to say low 80’s. There were several dogs at the hotel we were staying at that were having heat related issues the owners were having to deal with.

Bottom line is always watch your dogs for heat stress. Easiest way to tell if they are getting overheated is to look at their tongue and mouth. The hotter they get the more dark red the tongue and mouth become. Panting will also start to get labored.

Drinking water and resting won’t always get them cooled down quick enough. Get their belly and arm pits wet if you see he symptoms I mention above.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: Knocker of rocks on July 24, 2018, 11:33:06 AM: Quote from: Alex4200 on July 17, 2018, 12:10:28 AM
I want to say low 80’s. There were several dogs at the hotel we were staying at that were having heat related issues the owners were having to deal with.

Bottom line is always watch your dogs for heat stress. Easiest way to tell if they are getting overheated is to look at their tongue and mouth. The hotter they get the more dark red the tongue and mouth become. Panting will also start to get labored.

Drinking water and resting won’t always get them cooled down quick enough. Get their belly and arm pits wet if you see he symptoms I mention above.

A good primer of what to do (would apply to people too). Cool them with cool water.

I can tell when our dog is hot. He loves water, but always asks for permission (unlike our crazy lab when I was a kid), except when he's hot. Then he'll go stand in belly deep water and just stand there. Probably just about the most perfect treatment there is.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: KFhunter on July 24, 2018, 11:54:05 AM: 40 dogs dead :yike:

It's a big issue for indoor dogs living in constant AC, some of them never even properly blow their coats.

I just babysat a few indoor Llewellyn's and during the heat of the day they really layed down in the shade while my outdoor britt was still running around near 100 degrees. I kept a sprinkler going non-stop upwind near their shady area and kept them in good shape heat wise, but I wouldn't run them on a hot opener for sure unless I had open water near and kept the running to short intervals then back into the water. Also I'd shave them, maybe not the tails or hocks though :chuckle:
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: vandeman17 on July 24, 2018, 12:00:38 PM: If its hot and not around a water source, I bring along water in my pack and make sure to stop multiple times along the way in the shade for them to cool down along with myself. I have two black labs and they have never had an issue. With that said, I live in Wenatchee where its hot all summer so they are pretty acclimated
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: Knocker of rocks on July 24, 2018, 12:03:40 PM: Quote from: KFhunter on July 24, 2018, 11:54:05 AM
40 dogs dead :yike:

That's beyond a shame.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: Backstrap on July 24, 2018, 09:00:30 PM: My cocker spaniel overheated last year. It was a warm day and we hunted mid day. After about an hour, He slowed down, and then stopped, all within a few minutes. I got him in the shade and got some water in him. For about 10 minutes he wouldn’t even stand up. After 20 mins or so he got up and we walked back to the truck.

He’s in very good shape, but he hunts 100% full speed, nonstop. I learned a lesson, and will adjust our hunting plans accordingly.
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: yorketransport on July 24, 2018, 10:14:23 PM: I was always a little worried that my dog would just run herself into the ground if I let her and it sounds like that's not an uncommon thing to have happen. It's funny that all these incredibly smart dogs are too dumb to know when to stop and take a break. :chuckle:

I had her out the other day late in the evening and sure enough as soon as we got to the river she went and just stood chest deep. :chuckle:
(https://i.imgur.com/LVoIjRa.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: KFhunter on July 24, 2018, 11:11:36 PM: It's a grizzly 100%

oops, wrong thread :-[
Title: Re: Dogs in the woods when it’s hot out
Post by: yorketransport on July 25, 2018, 08:24:29 PM: Quote from: KFhunter on July 24, 2018, 11:11:36 PM
It's a grizzly 100%

oops, wrong thread :-[

:chuckle:

I keep an orange vest for her in my pack for that exact reason.