Post by: flyfishWA on August 10, 2018, 01:05:29 PM
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/barnes-tez-bullets-250-grain.html
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Post by: kellama2001 on August 13, 2018, 02:42:11 PM
Great all the way around, accurate, great killing power, easy to load.
:yeah: Have dropped a few deer with them, nothing but positive experiences with them
Post by: WSU on August 13, 2018, 02:55:01 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on August 18, 2018, 01:52:51 PM
Great all the way around, accurate, great killing power, easy to load.
:yeah: Several of my hunters have used them with the same results!
Post by: flyfishWA on August 18, 2018, 01:54:23 PM
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Post by: bkaech on August 18, 2018, 08:41:05 PM
Also my brother shot a cow a few years ago at about 50yards and his Barnes T-EZ hit a 2inch diameter maple limb about 5yards in front of the elk and blew straight through it, broke the elk’s front shoulder and found the bullet perfectly mushroomed with 2 petals broken just past the heart.
Post by: huntnnw on August 27, 2018, 01:42:06 AM
Had a bad experience with them last year. Bullets would penetrate fur but blow apart after that. Shot a buck 5 times, 4 of which were under 20 yards and none blew through rib cage. A 20 recovery process turned into several follow up shots, several miles and an 8 hour recovery job. I switched to Hornady this year.I have never heard of any copper bullet blowing apart even in rifles shooting at a far greater fps with less weight. I have shot a ton of barnes for penetration tests and to check how bullets hold up with absolutely 0 issues. Killed a couple elk with them.
Post by: Chukarhead on August 30, 2018, 08:51:50 AM
Had a bad experience with them last year. Bullets would penetrate fur but blow apart after that. Shot a buck 5 times, 4 of which were under 20 yards and none blew through rib cage. A 20 recovery process turned into several follow up shots, several miles and an 8 hour recovery job. I switched to Hornady this year.
This seems to defy physics... are you sure you were shooting Barnes bullets? Maybe just the sabots? Almost anything shot at any reasonable velocity would penetrate the rib cage of a deer at 20 yards. See: lead round ball.
I've killed six elk and a handful of deer with 290gr T-EZ over 120gr. of T7. Shots ranged from 30 to 165 yards (which was a pass-through heart/lung shot on a true spike). I've recovered several bullets tied up in the far side hide. All have performed perfectly. All of my buddies shoot them, and we've never experienced a terminal performance issue. For that matter, the only mass lost on recovery has been the plastic tip.
Post by: reelamin on August 30, 2018, 11:25:30 AM
Had a bad experience with them last year. Bullets would penetrate fur but blow apart after that. Shot a buck 5 times, 4 of which were under 20 yards and none blew through rib cage. A 20 recovery process turned into several follow up shots, several miles and an 8 hour recovery job. I switched to Hornady this year.
This seems to defy physics... are you sure you were shooting Barnes bullets? Maybe just the sabots? Almost anything shot at any reasonable velocity would penetrate the rib cage of a deer at 20 yards. See: lead round ball.
I've killed six elk and a handful of deer with 290gr T-EZ over 120gr. of T7. Shots ranged from 30 to 165 yards (which was a pass-through heart/lung shot on a true spike). I've recovered several bullets tied up in the far side hide. All have performed perfectly. All of my buddies shoot them, and we've never experienced a terminal performance issue. For that matter, the only mass lost on recovery has been the plastic tip.
Well said....you could shoot a deer or heck even an elk at 20 yards four times broadside in the heart/lung/liver area with any legal muzzle loader, with any bullet, almost at any velocity and kill it.
Post by: BeerBugler on August 30, 2018, 12:54:48 PM
Post by: huntnnw on September 13, 2018, 04:17:10 AM
Had a bad experience with them last year. Bullets would penetrate fur but blow apart after that. Shot a buck 5 times, 4 of which were under 20 yards and none blew through rib cage. A 20 recovery process turned into several follow up shots, several miles and an 8 hour recovery job. I switched to Hornady this year.
This seems to defy physics... are you sure you were shooting Barnes bullets? Maybe just the sabots? Almost anything shot at any reasonable velocity would penetrate the rib cage of a deer at 20 yards. See: lead round ball.
I've killed six elk and a handful of deer with 290gr T-EZ over 120gr. of T7. Shots ranged from 30 to 165 yards (which was a pass-through heart/lung shot on a true spike). I've recovered several bullets tied up in the far side hide. All have performed perfectly. All of my buddies shoot them, and we've never experienced a terminal performance issue. For that matter, the only mass lost on recovery has been the plastic tip.
Well said....you could shoot a deer or heck even an elk at 20 yards four times broadside in the heart/lung/liver area with any legal muzzle loader, with any bullet, almost at any velocity and kill it.
I have watched 2 elk get shot broadside in perfect locations right behind shoulder to only walk away to never be found. First one was my dad shot a 5x5 bull at 45 yards broadside as I watched with binos it hit that bull exactly where you would want it.. bull stood there for about a min and I could see blood running down his side Told my dad dead bull you nailed him. He walked slowly up a hill and then quiet. We waited 30 min to take up the trail got down to where he shot it and found blood immediately with bubbles in it just then that bull jumped up and took off to never be seen again. This was before the laws changed to be able to use bullets other than all lead.
Second bull was a spike I called into my wife at 30 yards broadside she smoked this bull almost dropped it. As we were re-loading I saw the bull walking really slow away from us and over hill and I knew this wasn't good. Found a decent blood trail with air bubbles in it and it went for 400 yards and ended. Never found it looked for weeks as I lived nearby.
Both bulls were 1 lunged if we were able to use better bullets when my dad shot his that bull is dead and a common issue with all lead is speed and causing bullets to "pancake" if that bull was further maybe 100 yards that bull may of died. My wife's bull was the hornady sst and not the bullet I was wanting to shoot as I was shooting Barnes and could not find them at the time, so I searched around and saw good things about them. They shot great, but obviously failed on the bull. I 100% believe if that bull or both had been shot with a Barnes style bullet they both die within a 100 yards.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on September 13, 2018, 02:19:21 PM
Thanks
Post by: lazydrifter on September 13, 2018, 02:55:21 PM
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/154052/barnes-spit-fire-t-ez-muzzleloading-bullets-50-caliber-sabot-with-45-caliber-290-grain-polymer-tip-flat-base
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 13, 2018, 03:02:23 PM
I have a Knight disc extreme. Would you guys recommend the TEZ or the TMZ? I have always shot the Bloodlines, but want to try one of these instead this year.the T-EZ is probably the best bullet made for muzzleloaders! Get the 290grn, loads easily, most accurate bullet ive shot and everything ive killed with it has not taken another step! Its an awesome Bullet!
Thanks
Post by: crowinghen on September 13, 2018, 03:31:24 PM
just a heads up. Theses are on sale at Midway right now.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/154052/barnes-spit-fire-t-ez-muzzleloading-bullets-50-caliber-sabot-with-45-caliber-290-grain-polymer-tip-flat-base
THANKS for the headsup!!
I love these bullets! Perfect mushroom, very accurate. Deadly.
Post by: floatinghat on September 13, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
Post by: cougkilr on September 16, 2018, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: reelamin on September 16, 2018, 10:04:06 PM
I’ve been using the Barnes 290 TEZ’s the last couple years, I am going to try out the 209 setup in my Traditions Evolution. I’ve always used 100 grains of pellets but am wondering about bumping it up to 150. Is 150 grains overkill or will that give me better penetration? This will be for elk hunting. Thanks for the help!
150gr of what? It all depends on what you want and your particular rifle prefers. My buddy has a Traditions and it wont take more than 100gr of BH209 before it is really hard to open. But 110 of 3F it opens fine. My Bighorn prefers 120gr of BH209 and it pushes the 290 at 2000fps average. Any increased velocity will increase your penetration. I determine what I want based on accuracy and velocity and find the fastest and most accurate load for my rifle. Yes, it requires lots of shooting but it works for me.
Post by: huntnnw on September 16, 2018, 10:11:32 PM
Post by: cougkilr on September 17, 2018, 06:21:00 PM
I’ve been using the Barnes 290 TEZ’s the last couple years, I am going to try out the 209 setup in my Traditions Evolution. I’ve always used 100 grains of pellets but am wondering about bumping it up to 150. Is 150 grains overkill or will that give me better penetration? This will be for elk hunting. Thanks for the help!
150gr of what? It all depends on what you want and your particular rifle prefers. My buddy has a Traditions and it wont take more than 100gr of BH209 before it is really hard to open. But 110 of 3F it opens fine. My Bighorn prefers 120gr of BH209 and it pushes the 290 at 2000fps average. Any increased velocity will increase your penetration. I determine what I want based on accuracy and velocity and find the fastest and most accurate load for my rifle. Yes, it requires lots of shooting but it works for me.
150 grains of Pyrodex 50/50 pellets is what I was wondering about.
Post by: flyfishWA on October 07, 2018, 07:57:25 PM
Post by: bkaech on October 13, 2018, 06:11:23 AM
I’ve been using the Barnes 290 TEZ’s the last couple years, I am going to try out the 209 setup in my Traditions Evolution. I’ve always used 100 grains of pellets but am wondering about bumping it up to 150. Is 150 grains overkill or will that give me better penetration? This will be for elk hunting. Thanks for the help!
150grains of Pyrodex is NOT overkill, not for elk. That's what I use in my CVA Optima, with 290gr Barnes TEZ. Got 3 bulls in 5 years of muzzy hunting. I would use as much powder as is safe in your rifle as long as it doesn't kill accuracy. Some rifle and load combinations are much more accurate with a little less powder, thats the fun part, thats what summer is for, shooting and tinkering and perfecting your load.
Post by: Dmulcahy on October 17, 2018, 01:51:34 PM
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Post by: johnnyaustin44 on October 17, 2018, 02:10:56 PM
Post by: reelamin on October 17, 2018, 04:08:40 PM
Recovered two bullets from bulls this year. Both look identical. Weighed one and it tipped at 288 grains. Not too shabby. Both bullets went through shoulder and heart. Right against the skin on both. Woulda had a third but it didn’t touch anything but soft tissue and lungs. Blew through the whole bull and dropped him right there. All 290 grain Barnes on top of 100grns of blue mz. I think the crew is pretty satisfied with these results.
At what distances please?
Post by: coachcw on October 18, 2018, 06:46:18 AM
Post by: KNOPHISH on October 18, 2018, 06:51:10 AM
Post by: huntnnw on October 18, 2018, 06:53:31 AM
i have the same gun and tried 100gr of Blackhorn and will not group with those bullets.I ended up shooting 85 gr of that powder with excellent groupsI’ve been using the Barnes 290 TEZ’s the last couple years, I am going to try out the 209 setup in my Traditions Evolution. I’ve always used 100 grains of pellets but am wondering about bumping it up to 150. Is 150 grains overkill or will that give me better penetration? This will be for elk hunting. Thanks for the help!
150grains of Pyrodex is NOT overkill, not for elk. That's what I use in my CVA Optima, with 290gr Barnes TEZ. Got 3 bulls in 5 years of muzzy hunting. I would use as much powder as is safe in your rifle as long as it doesn't kill accuracy. Some rifle and load combinations are much more accurate with a little less powder, thats the fun part, thats what summer is for, shooting and tinkering and perfecting your load.
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on October 18, 2018, 08:37:40 AM
95 on the first, 135 on the second, the non recovers one was about 75.Recovered two bullets from bulls this year. Both look identical. Weighed one and it tipped at 288 grains. Not too shabby. Both bullets went through shoulder and heart. Right against the skin on both. Woulda had a third but it didn’t touch anything but soft tissue and lungs. Blew through the whole bull and dropped him right there. All 290 grain Barnes on top of 100grns of blue mz. I think the crew is pretty satisfied with these results.
At what distances please?
Post by: Damnimissed on October 19, 2018, 10:14:55 AM
Post by: usmc74 on October 20, 2018, 07:34:21 AM
2 pics of mushroomed bullets from kills but I don't see any blood, guts or hair on em. Is this typical or did you clean them off?
I cleaned mine off before I took my picture 4 years ago. And it was full of meat under those curls
Post by: cougkilr on October 24, 2018, 08:06:50 PM