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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: gasman on August 20, 2018, 04:16:00 PM

Title: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: gasman on August 20, 2018, 04:16:00 PM: I guess not.......

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Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: jackelope on August 20, 2018, 04:23:18 PM: :bash:

Where is that camera?
Are there bighorn sheep in the area?
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: hntrspud on August 20, 2018, 04:51:25 PM: I'm assuming peaches ridge somewhere since he has that tag.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: gasman on August 20, 2018, 06:14:21 PM: Quote from: jackelope on August 20, 2018, 04:23:18 PM
:bash:

Where is that camera?
Are there bighorn sheep in the area?
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This is in the Bethel Unit.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: Mfowl on August 20, 2018, 06:33:05 PM: You'll probably be blaming those sheep for running off all the elk by the time the season starts. Happend to me last year. Maybe it wasn't the sheep, just the dogs and shepards that did it.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: dreamunelk on August 20, 2018, 06:38:57 PM: Lot will depend on how much the sheep eat. A good rancher will not overgraze a greedy bad one will. I have seen both. Fall rains will play a big part also. Even if it is not overgrazed the forage base may not with out the weather.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: gasman on August 20, 2018, 07:16:34 PM: Quote from: Mfowl on August 20, 2018, 06:33:05 PM
You'll probably be blaming those sheep for running off all the elk by the time the season starts. Happend to me last year. Maybe it wasn't the sheep, just the dogs and shepards that did it.

Nope, they have already moved out of the area. I sure they are I the Nile by now :chuckle:
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: nocken n notchen on August 20, 2018, 08:55:34 PM: Hoof rot starters
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: jackelope on August 20, 2018, 09:18:08 PM: A good rancher will also keep the domestic sheep away from the wild sheep and not cause an entire wild bighorn herd to be culled.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on August 23, 2018, 04:21:26 PM: Sheep don't bother the Elk. But Kids now, they can really bother the Sheep! :IBCOOL:
Doug
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: scoutdog346 on August 28, 2018, 06:59:14 PM: Good post you should have waited for people to try and answer the question see if anybody say yes LOL good post that's crazy I've never seen that. Is that somebody free-ranging their domestic sheep

Quote from: gasman on August 20, 2018, 04:16:00 PM
I guess not.......

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Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: Mtnwalker on August 28, 2018, 07:03:01 PM: They will eat the place down to dirt if the herd is big enough, sometimes the elk have no choice but to move
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: gasman on August 28, 2018, 09:14:41 PM: Sheep and cows have been grazed all summer in the NF forever,most just don't see them unless they run across them. I've seen them for 20+ years on the east side.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: Naches Sportsman on August 28, 2018, 09:21:29 PM: A couple or years ago I was driving down the 1500 at night and happen to notice elk and sheep together.

Can't believe some people don't agree with it, but the reality is sheep grazing has gone on in these hills since the white man existed in the area. I'm on the pro sheep side as they have a place in the national forests.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: Oh Mah on August 28, 2018, 09:28:22 PM: I'm curious to hear from you Naches where that place in the forest is?Is there some kind of good that comes from domestic sheep in the forest?The diseases they can cause wild sheep is bad news for the wild sheep herds.The fact that they eat to dirt is well known and that isn't good either. :twocents:
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: jackelope on August 28, 2018, 10:08:31 PM: Quote from: Naches Sportsman on August 28, 2018, 09:21:29 PM
A couple or years ago I was driving down the 1500 at night and happen to notice elk and sheep together.

Can't believe some people don't agree with it, but the reality is sheep grazing has gone on in these hills since the white man existed in the area. I'm on the pro sheep side as they have a place in the national forests.

I’m curious what you know about wild sheep being culled because of the diseases they catch from domestic sheep? Specifically the entire Tieton herd?
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: zwickeyman on August 29, 2018, 05:12:36 AM: What MTNWALKER said. Seen it in Idaho many times
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: coachcw on August 29, 2018, 06:04:48 AM: the amount of money made by leasing nf to sheep herders is squat . Id gladly pay a extra dollar on my licence to offset it . I really don't see benefit for the forest unless eating the grasses down to nothing is good ?
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 29, 2018, 08:01:53 AM: grazing public lands help keep grasses and undergrowth down and helps eliminate fire danger. I have no experience with diseases passing from domestic to wild, however. I've had sheep come through a stand once. Thought I was about to fill an elk tag. What a surprise. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: boneaddict on August 29, 2018, 08:08:40 AM: Other than carrying to disease to bighorns, I find its a good thing, though they can sure ravage a pretty meadow. They dont bother the elk at all. Cattle and sheep grazing is a good thing for fire and also breaks down the brush. Sheep driveways have been around a long time and a great place to hunt in areas that might otherwise be a thick tangle. Cattle may range an area but sheep are generally on the move. There are some controversial areas though, especially down here in the Yak (Bethel ridge, Tieton, Nile) due to the bighorns.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: elkfins on August 29, 2018, 08:40:12 AM: They graze sheep in the Taneum every year. I've never seen a negative effect on the elk... they are always in their normal areas regardless of whether sheep are in the area or not.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 29, 2018, 09:15:42 AM: Quote from: nocken n notchen on August 20, 2018, 08:55:34 PM
Hoof rot starters

There is zero evidence to suggest that elk hoof disease is contracted by domestic livestock.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: HoofsandWings on September 02, 2018, 10:23:41 AM: In dry years like this one, the sheep herder moves his sheep through areas where the grass has not dried out. I have seen them within the borders of oak creek where my cameras were.
Usually between 100 and 200 sheep graze through the area. Sometimes twice in the same fall season. And they were not out in meadows, but grazed through heavy cover.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: gasman on September 02, 2018, 11:43:47 AM: Was through the unit yesterday checking cams, no more pic of sheep and did not see the sheep any place we were at in the unit. They are defiantly out of the Little Rattlesnake area :tup:
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: Humptulips on September 02, 2018, 02:01:16 PM: Quote from: pianoman9701 on August 29, 2018, 09:15:42 AM
Quote from: nocken n notchen on August 20, 2018, 08:55:34 PM
Hoof rot starters

There is zero evidence to suggest that elk hoof disease is contracted by domestic livestock.

I believe he means the reverse of that.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: HoofsandWings on September 02, 2018, 09:41:00 PM: Quote from: gasman on September 02, 2018, 11:43:47 AM
Was through the unit yesterday checking cams, no more pic of sheep and did not see the sheep any place we were at in the unit. They are defiantly out of the Little Rattlesnake area :tup:

That would be good news. My cams picked them up in the latter part of September. The sheep herders all dressed the same although I believe, I recorded two, maybe three.

Standard Peruvian dress.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: branches on September 03, 2018, 05:03:43 PM: Like I have said before, Please keep all of those **%^$E#@WTF!$^@ Sheep out of our elk woods.
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: Oh Mah on September 04, 2018, 09:40:29 AM: Quote from: pianoman9701 on August 29, 2018, 09:15:42 AM
Quote from: nocken n notchen on August 20, 2018, 08:55:34 PM
Hoof rot starters

There is zero evidence to suggest that elk hoof disease is contracted by domestic livestock.
Is there any evidence you can show that they don't?
Title: Re: Do sheep bother elk?
Post by: yakimanoob on September 04, 2018, 01:31:17 PM: Domestic-to-wild disease transfer is widely-documented and a serious risk, at least for M. Ovi pneumonia. It honestly baffles me that they allow sheep grazing in the Bethel unit, or anywhere else near bighorns.

I'm skeptical of the argument that sheep grazing on NF lands is beneficial to the wild animal populations. Fire control sure, but I'd rather see that done with controlled burning or, here's a novel idea: higher concentrations of big horns, mtn goats, deer, and elk to graze the brush.

Are there noxious weeds that only domestic sheep eat? That would be a decent reason to have them around, but otherwise I just don't see the point.