Post by: huntnfmly on March 17, 2009, 05:50:30 PM
Post by: GoPlayOutside on March 17, 2009, 05:52:33 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on March 17, 2009, 05:54:54 PM
Post by: bankwalker on March 17, 2009, 05:57:39 PM
Post by: Old Dog on March 17, 2009, 06:17:17 PM
i would like to have my arrow weight up around 400gr out of a 60lb bow.
:yeah:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on March 17, 2009, 06:26:42 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on March 17, 2009, 07:39:43 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 17, 2009, 07:48:33 PM
Post by: bankwalker on March 17, 2009, 08:47:57 PM
i was shooting a 390gr arrow/broadhead setup out of a 70lb bow...somewhere around 300fps. the local shop told me my arrows where legal and i was knew to hunting so i thought that i was ok for hunting. NOT!
i lost 2 elk in one week. and almost hung up the bow for good after such a horrible experience.
after talking to a couple guys after losing the second elk. they asked me about my setup and stuff. i told them and they were shocked a archery shop would set me up like that and tell me i was good for hunting.
when myself and my dad were tracking the second elk, we stumbled onto the 1st elk. half my arrow still in it. i had only gotten 4" of penetration. CRAP. i had seen the arrow in the second elk when it took off running and i was maybe 6" into the elk.
i made that mistake of shooting to light, but still legal. had i been shooting proper wieght to get penetration needed i would be telling that horrible story.
Post by: yajsab on March 17, 2009, 09:33:11 PM
Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 17, 2009, 10:11:33 PM
Post by: Slider on March 18, 2009, 09:22:44 AM
Post by: bankwalker on March 18, 2009, 09:49:52 AM
I shoot around 370 grns and had no problem harvesting elk. However, shot placement is the key. I don't disagree on the heavier arrow. If you're only getting about 4" of penetration, you're more likely hitting bone/shoulder blade.
Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.
the first elk i had hit a rib. a slick trick should have blown right through a rib. had i been shooting a heavier arrow then i wouldnt have had that problem (more then likely) but you never know...a rib can stop a bullet too.
the second elk. i will never know.
Post by: GoldTip on March 18, 2009, 10:19:57 AM
I shoot around 370 grns and had no problem harvesting elk. However, shot placement is the key. I don't disagree on the heavier arrow. If you're only getting about 4" of penetration, you're more likely hitting bone/shoulder blade.
Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.
the first elk i had hit a rib. a slick trick should have blown right through a rib. had i been shooting a heavier arrow then i wouldnt have had that problem (more then likely) but you never know...a rib can stop a bullet too.
the second elk. i will never know.
No offense bankwalker, but unless you harvested that bull and can show me pictures, a "rib" never stopped your 390gr arrow out of a 70lb bow. You hit something else or your shot was around 100yards. I've blown through both shoulder blades of a 300lb black bear with a 402gr arrow out of a 66lb bow. My last elk was shot catching the shoulder blade on the near side and through a rib on the far side and I watched the arrow skip into the brush ten yards behind it before the elk even flinched, with the same setup. I won't believe that a "rib" stopped a 390gr arrow out of a 70lb bow. Not unless your arrows were so horribly tuned they flew sideways or the shot was close to 100 yards.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on March 18, 2009, 10:28:41 AM
I shoot around 370 grns and had no problem harvesting elk. However, shot placement is the key. I don't disagree on the heavier arrow. If you're only getting about 4" of penetration, you're more likely hitting bone/shoulder blade.
Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.
the first elk i had hit a rib. a slick trick should have blown right through a rib. had i been shooting a heavier arrow then i wouldnt have had that problem (more then likely) but you never know...a rib can stop a bullet too.
the second elk. i will never know.
No offense bankwalker, but unless you harvested that bull and can show me pictures, a "rib" never stopped your 390gr arrow out of a 70lb bow. You hit something else or your shot was around 100yards. I've blown through both shoulder blades of a 300lb black bear with a 402gr arrow out of a 66lb bow. My last elk was shot catching the shoulder blade on the near side and through a rib on the far side and I watched the arrow skip into the brush ten yards behind it before the elk even flinched, with the same setup. I won't believe that a "rib" stopped a 390gr arrow out of a 70lb bow. Not unless your arrows were so horribly tuned they flew sideways or the shot was close to 100 yards.
:yeah:
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 18, 2009, 10:54:03 AM
Post by: bankwalker on March 18, 2009, 12:29:59 PM
i cant say anything more then that...when my dad found the elk 2 days later the arrow was only sticking 4" past the ribs. *note* the arrow could have been pulled out some by the elk :dunno: or from hitting branches and w/e but idk about that one. cause that arrow was in there tight. i really dont know. all i know is that the arrow i was shooting to was to light for my setup. the guys at the local shop gave me a new set of arrows and broadheads for thier mistake in setting me up the way they did. and told me that had i been shooting a proper arrow weight then i wouldnt have had that problem :dunno: i honestly have no idea...all i know is what i seen.
the second elk i shot/lost was completely my fault. i hesitated on the release and knew it was a horrible shot. the second elk hit dead on the shoulder. and when it took off the arrow snapped off on a tree. i got 20" of arrow back. it was a horrible shot on my part and i know that.
Post by: Intruder on March 18, 2009, 01:21:57 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 18, 2009, 03:56:17 PM
Post by: yajsab on March 18, 2009, 04:07:46 PM
I shoot around 370 grns and had no problem harvesting elk. However, shot placement is the key. I don't disagree on the heavier arrow. If you're only getting about 4" of penetration, you're more likely hitting bone/shoulder blade.
Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.
the first elk i had hit a rib. a slick trick should have blown right through a rib. had i been shooting a heavier arrow then i wouldnt have had that problem (more then likely) but you never know...a rib can stop a bullet too.
the second elk. i will never know.
That is odd. My previous elk, the arrow snapped the rib and buried in the chest. I'm only shooting 60# on a 25" DL.
Go heavy or keep your set up, but practice shot placement.
Post by: huntnfmly on March 18, 2009, 07:06:15 PM
Post by: bowhunter1972 on March 18, 2009, 07:51:55 PM
Post by: bowhunter1972 on March 18, 2009, 07:53:20 PM
Post by: Old Dog on March 18, 2009, 09:58:26 PM
i was shooting a 390gr arrow/broadhead setup out of a 70lb bow...somewhere around 300fps. the local shop told me my arrows where legal and i was knew to hunting so i thought that i was ok for hunting. NOT!
That's not a legal setup :yike: 6 grains per pound of draw weight at 70# is 420 grains :DOH:
Whatever shop you went to set you up all right....for a big ticket :yike:
Double check the tune of your bow. If your arrow isn't flying correctly you will lose penetration as well as accuracy.
Post by: Intruder on March 19, 2009, 08:23:10 AM
why would making a simple change to a heavier arrow be a big deal? if hes shooting well he will shoot well with ANY god arrow/BH combo.. its not gear specicfic.. a good shooter can pick up any set up and shoot it well..... stil I would always say shoot over 400 gr :twocents:
Just the expense, depending on what setup he'd need to go to.... if you're talking about buying 12-18 new arrows and/or another half dozen broadheads. That could easily exceed 200 bucks if he did all that.
Post by: @RCHER on March 19, 2009, 02:31:44 PM
Accuracy + sharp heads = clean kills
Post by: demontang on March 20, 2009, 05:33:01 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 26, 2009, 03:43:54 PM
Oh I will either be shooting a Hoyt Alpha Max 32 or a Bowtech Admiral. Whichever one I buy would be set at 70lbs at 28". Both their "IBO" ratings are 320 fps.
Post by: Gobble Gobble on March 26, 2009, 03:58:57 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 26, 2009, 04:22:09 PM
On average how much does the knock, vanes and insert weigh?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 26, 2009, 04:27:19 PM
Post by: Gobble Gobble on March 26, 2009, 04:28:09 PM
Post by: nanum on April 02, 2009, 03:08:28 PM
Post by: colockumelk on April 02, 2009, 04:46:29 PM
What do you have? Most manufacturer sites will tell you what they weigh.
I shoot the Easton Excels that are 10gpi and are 28.5 inches. I'll look it up on their website.
Post by: huntnphool on April 02, 2009, 04:55:42 PM