Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2018, 03:25:18 PM
https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/2974536
Post by: X-Force on September 05, 2018, 03:36:28 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 05, 2018, 03:37:33 PM
Living the dream and still can't shake the demons that haunt.
Prayers for the family.
Post by: JoeE on September 05, 2018, 04:04:31 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2018, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2018, 04:07:32 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2018, 04:09:44 PM
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2018, 04:13:36 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on September 05, 2018, 04:14:12 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2018, 04:14:53 PM
Who?
He founded Sitka Gear originally and then sold out to Gore and started KUIU.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2018, 04:17:16 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2018, 04:26:46 PM
Oh wow. Never know what a guys got going on behind closed doors. Such a selfish thing to do, I never will understand ityup,
Post by: Timberstalker on September 05, 2018, 04:30:20 PM
Thoughts and prayers. Feel for his family.
Post by: bowhunterforever on September 05, 2018, 04:37:41 PM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: optic2 on September 05, 2018, 04:41:45 PM
Oh wow. Never know what a guys got going on behind closed doors. Such a selfish thing to do, I never will understand it
It's easy to think about it from your point of view, you aren't him. There is a good chance he had CTE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy) which has been found in high school football players. This guy played in the NFL, albeit a short career. The medical profession pretty much knows jack about how the brain actually works.
Post by: lord grizzly on September 05, 2018, 04:48:36 PM
Oh wow. Never know what a guys got going on behind closed doors. Such a selfish thing to do, I never will understand it
It's easy to think about it from your point of view, you aren't him. There is a good chance he had CTE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy) which has been found in high school football players. This guy played in the NFL, albeit a short career. The medical profession pretty much knows jack about how the brain actually works.
Nothings easy about my point of view and you have no idea where it comes from. My brother killed himself the day after his 36th birthday leaving a wife and child. And it was a selfish thing to do no matter how sad it’s made me.
Post by: bobcat on September 05, 2018, 04:51:26 PM
Who?
I had never heard of the guy either.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: huntnfmly on September 05, 2018, 04:56:56 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on September 05, 2018, 05:05:05 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 05, 2018, 05:28:39 PM
Sorry to hear that, I’d say your point of view counts.Oh wow. Never know what a guys got going on behind closed doors. Such a selfish thing to do, I never will understand it
It's easy to think about it from your point of view, you aren't him. There is a good chance he had CTE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy) which has been found in high school football players. This guy played in the NFL, albeit a short career. The medical profession pretty much knows jack about how the brain actually works.
Nothings easy about my point of view and you have no idea where it comes from. My brother killed himself the day after his 36th birthday leaving a wife and child. And it was a selfish thing to do no matter how sad it’s made me.
Post by: lamrith on September 05, 2018, 05:34:15 PM
RIP Jason, god bless and God speed.
Post by: Born2late on September 05, 2018, 05:58:51 PM
sounds like he was hunting when it happened
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 05, 2018, 06:00:43 PM
Post by: Hoythunter on September 05, 2018, 06:02:52 PM
Probably best to not spread rumors on cause of death, no official release has been put out and I have heard a completely different reason. It is hunting season after all and guys are out in dangerous situations.
RIP Jason, god bless and God speed.
X2
Post by: huntnfmly on September 05, 2018, 06:04:29 PM
As sad as it is his passing I sure hope that's the way he passed doing something he loved
Post by: notsosneaky on September 05, 2018, 06:07:15 PM
Post by: WA1232 on September 05, 2018, 06:13:42 PM
Post by: Bushcraft on September 05, 2018, 06:15:12 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 05, 2018, 06:29:44 PM
Post by: h20hunter on September 05, 2018, 06:32:19 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 05, 2018, 07:00:17 PM
Who is he ?
It’s been posted above.
Post by: haugenna on September 05, 2018, 08:52:34 PM
Details not yet released on official cause of death but stories suggest suicide.
RIP
Prayers for his family.
Post by: elkrack on September 05, 2018, 08:55:01 PM
Post by: elkrack on September 05, 2018, 09:02:43 PM
Post by: AlpineMuley on September 05, 2018, 09:10:06 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on September 05, 2018, 10:19:10 PM
Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
Post by: bearpaw on September 06, 2018, 02:05:48 AM
Post by: TVHunts on September 06, 2018, 03:37:38 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 06, 2018, 04:08:12 AM
Post by: whacker1 on September 06, 2018, 06:33:10 AM
Post by: swanny on September 06, 2018, 09:53:01 AM
Post by: Stein on September 06, 2018, 12:22:12 PM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 06, 2018, 12:50:23 PM
Fox is reporting he battled CTE symptoms.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That appears to be the consensus right now. Condolences to the family. He definitely changed the industry.
Post by: lastmk8 on September 06, 2018, 02:20:00 PM
I just read it might have been a accident on his last sheep hunt.
As sad as it is his passing I sure hope that's the way he passed doing something he loved
My guess if on a sheep hunt it was and extended hunt or second hunt. He was sheep hunting just last month with Donald Trump Jr, he posted a pic of them and a nice sheep. Sounds like they had hunted a few times together. The Fox article does mention problems with CTE, sad news either way.
Post by: huntnfmly on September 06, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
Over on rokslide they're talking about him being in a sheep hunt last week with his son and dad in the brooksrange.I just read it might have been a accident on his last sheep hunt.
As sad as it is his passing I sure hope that's the way he passed doing something he loved
My guess if on a sheep hunt it was and extended hunt or second hunt. He was sheep hunting just last month with Donald Trump Jr, he posted a pic of them and a nice sheep. Sounds like they had hunted a few times together. The Fox article does mention problems with CTE, sad news either way.
CTE that's scary stuff very sad
Post by: Crunchy on September 06, 2018, 02:56:41 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 06, 2018, 03:17:11 PM
Post by: StoneTrees on September 06, 2018, 03:32:22 PM
If they are mentioning CTE makes you think suicide. Why else would they mention it?
Did a quick Google search no symptoms of CTE and found this on the Boston University CTE Research Center website:
Quote
The symptoms of CTE include memory loss, confusion, impaired judgment, impulse control problems, aggression, depression, anxiety, suicidality, parkinsonism, and, eventually, progressive dementia. These symptoms often begin years or even decades after the last brain trauma or end of active athletic involvement.
Best information I've been able to find is that he was on a caribou hunt while this happened. If so and if he was suffering from CTE, it could easily be a consequence of the memory loss, confusion, impaired judgment, etc., without actually being a suicide. He doesn't really do cupcake hunts. Hopefully, some meaningful details will emerge sooner rather than later so that the speculation within the community can end.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 06, 2018, 03:41:31 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 06, 2018, 03:56:58 PM
Post by: opdinkslayer on September 06, 2018, 05:28:48 PM
Post by: TVHunts on September 06, 2018, 06:26:48 PM
Post by: h20hunter on September 06, 2018, 06:33:31 PM
Post by: TVHunts on September 06, 2018, 06:42:34 PM
I have not seen that until now. Very sad.
It’s in “our story” tab of the Kuiu site.
Don’t know the guy, never met him, but for some reason it hit home. May his family and friends be able to heal from this tragedy.
Post by: tonymoe on September 06, 2018, 08:17:44 PM
I’ve never walked in his shoes, but Retired in 96’ after what...2 years of coffee in the nfl? I feel for his family, but if your battling CTE that bad....your not humping 50# packs in remote areas for 20+ years. Now add the extra pounds of meat? Sorry, but I don’t feel that’s ok to check out early. It may have been something else, but couldn’t of been CTE
Post by: Katmai Guy on September 06, 2018, 08:27:41 PM
CTE??
I’ve never walked in his shoes, but Retired in 96’ after what...2 years of coffee in the nfl? I feel for his family, but if your battling CTE that bad....your not humping 50# packs in remote areas for 20+ years. Now add the extra pounds of meat? Sorry, but I don’t feel that’s ok to check out early. It may have been something else, but couldn’t of been CTE
Maybe you should read up on it a little bit. Before making statements like it couldn't have been CTE
Post by: tonymoe on September 06, 2018, 08:44:09 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on September 06, 2018, 08:48:47 PM
You're sounding a tad ignorant on the subject Tony....
Post by: BeWitty on September 06, 2018, 08:58:52 PM
CTE??
I’ve never walked in his shoes, but Retired in 96’ after what...2 years of coffee in the nfl? I feel for his family, but if your battling CTE that bad....your not humping 50# packs in remote areas for 20+ years. Now add the extra pounds of meat? Sorry, but I don’t feel that’s ok to check out early. It may have been something else, but couldn’t of been CTE
If you’re completely uneducated about a subject you should probably keep those fingers from typing in the future.
Post by: cem3434 on September 06, 2018, 09:07:58 PM
CTE??
I’ve never walked in his shoes, but Retired in 96’ after what...2 years of coffee in the nfl? I feel for his family, but if your battling CTE that bad....your not humping 50# packs in remote areas for 20+ years. Now add the extra pounds of meat? Sorry, but I don’t feel that’s ok to check out early. It may have been something else, but couldn’t of been CTE
Wow that is probably the most ignorant post I have ever seen on this site. Thanks for spreading your expertise and wisdom Dr. Tony Moe. :bash:
Post by: hawks33 on September 06, 2018, 09:24:42 PM
Theres a lot of information out there on CTE, take some time to read up. Good luck hunting, be sure to wear your helmet.
Post by: cbond3318 on September 07, 2018, 07:27:52 AM
There is an epidemic in this country. Children as young as 5 yrs old contemplating or attempting to end their lives, let that sink in. We should be angry everytime we hear something like this or experience it within our lives.
The "why" is always different but the results are all the same, Pain and suffering for the ones left behind.
I am so sorry for his Family and especially his 2 sons.
Post by: huntnfmly on September 07, 2018, 07:35:18 AM
Sounds as if suicide may have touched your family or friends and if so I'm sorry for your loss.
1 of the symptoms of CTE is impulse control and it is very sad to think that Jason could have had one of those moments and took his life To me thats even sadder
Post by: Stein on September 07, 2018, 07:43:30 AM
CTE physically changes your brain, it is obvious on autopsy the damage done. Hundreds of NFL players have suffered the same fate and untold numbers continue to battle with it today. If your brain is physically damaged, you don't have a choice to have issues. It's similar to criticizing some guy with Down Syndrome who can't function normally because he isn't trying hard enough or is self centered.
I don't know the first thing about the guy, but he made it into the NFL, founded one of the most successful companies in the industry and then did it again. While doing this he continued to be an avid sportsman as well as hunting with the White House and securing a job promoting our passion with the Department of Interior. From my ignorant perspective (not knowing much), it seems like he was an incredibly driven and successful guy.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on September 07, 2018, 09:37:18 AM
I have not seen that until now. Very sad.
It’s in “our story” tab of the Kuiu site.
Don’t know the guy, never met him, but for some reason it hit home. May his family and friends be able to heal from this tragedy.
This. RIP. My condolences to his family and friends.
Post by: cbond3318 on September 07, 2018, 10:11:52 AM
@cbond
Sounds as if suicide may have touched your family or friends and if so I'm sorry for your loss.
1 of the symptoms of CTE is impulse control and it is very sad to think that Jason could have had one of those moments and took his life To me thats even sadder
It has, a few times. Which is an all too common trait these days and currently at this point in my life, I can only find anger towards the deciders and deep, deep sadness for those left to pick up the pieces.
All we will ever know as fact is that those who commit suicide, chose too.
Post by: Gringo31 on September 07, 2018, 12:20:20 PM
Permanent solution to a temporary problem and their own desire to quit overcame the caring of what it did to their loved ones. It's not all about "you". Living life for oneself can be dangerous. .02
Post by: huntnfmly on September 07, 2018, 12:37:11 PM
From what I've been reading about it seems like CTE is kinda like depression on steroids
Post by: elkaholic123 on September 07, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
I think along the lines of cbond.Nothing temporary about CTE :twocents:
Permanent solution to a temporary problem and their own desire to quit overcame the caring of what it did to their loved ones. It's not all about "you". Living life for oneself can be dangerous. .02
Post by: opdinkslayer on September 07, 2018, 02:05:26 PM
Again prayers to the family and thanks to Jason for all he did for the sport we love! RIP
Post by: addicted2hunting on September 07, 2018, 02:59:47 PM
I think along the lines of cbond.
Permanent solution to a temporary problem and their own desire to quit overcame the caring of what it did to their loved ones. It's not all about "you". Living life for oneself can be dangerous. .02
For some it isn't a temporary problem...
Post by: Antlershed on September 07, 2018, 05:39:21 PM
Thoughts go out to Jason’s Family and friends.
Post by: TVHunts on September 07, 2018, 07:22:33 PM
While it’s easy to say suicide is nothing but a selfish act, I think it’s equally selfish to judge someone with severe depression,mental health issues or a brain injury like cte. Of all the advancements in medical technology, the brain & mental illness is still in the stone ages. Think twice before judging people for something possibly out of their control.
Again prayers to the family and thanks to Jason for all he did for the sport we love! RIP
Well said!
Post by: Jpmiller on September 07, 2018, 07:36:00 PM
It's incredibly sad this man was in a state that he thought this was a good option. It's even sadder that his family and friends now can carry this experience and the baggage it brings for the rest of their lives. Depression and other mental disorders are no joke and are serious issues but I can't see defending suicide because of them.
Post by: shallowforks on September 07, 2018, 07:56:21 PM
Post by: Nwgunner on September 07, 2018, 08:17:27 PM
Post by: pashok23 on September 07, 2018, 11:27:16 PM
Post by: Curly on September 08, 2018, 04:54:16 AM
Who is he ?https://heavy.com/sports/2018/09/jason-hairston/
Jason Hairston Dead: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Hairston, a former linebacker with the 49ers and hunting clothing guru, has died at the age of 47. Hairston was the founder of KUIU hunting gear and a friend of Donald Trump Jr. Hairston’s death comes just days after he went on a hunting trip with the president’s son.
A post on the KUIU’s Instagram page on September 5 said, “We are shocked and saddened to announce the tragic passing of KUIU founder Jason Hairston. His legacy lives on in KUIU’s spirit of relentless innovation.”
Post by: bearpaw on September 08, 2018, 05:30:33 AM
Rather than judge anyone with mental issues, I would rather show them compassion and encourage them to seek help. Please seek professional help, do it not only for yourself but for the people that really matter in your life! :twocents:
Post by: cem3434 on September 08, 2018, 07:07:06 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 08, 2018, 07:32:04 AM
Who is he ?https://heavy.com/sports/2018/09/jason-hairston/
Jason Hairston Dead: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Hairston, a former linebacker with the 49ers and hunting clothing guru, has died at the age of 47. Hairston was the founder of KUIU hunting gear and a friend of Donald Trump Jr. Hairston’s death comes just days after he went on a hunting trip with the president’s son.
A post on the KUIU’s Instagram page on September 5 said, “We are shocked and saddened to announce the tragic passing of KUIU founder Jason Hairston. His legacy lives on in KUIU’s spirit of relentless innovation.”
Thanks Curly.......
Post by: BeWitty on September 08, 2018, 11:54:50 AM
https://people.com/sports/jason-hairston-wife-speaks-out-about-cte/
Post by: jackelope on September 08, 2018, 12:06:13 PM
“Just weeks before his suicide on Sept. 4 at age 47, former NFL player Jason Hairston struggled with worsening symptoms associated with chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), his wife, Kirstyn Hairston, tells PEOPLE.
“We were sitting in our bedroom, and Jason’s a tough guy, but he finally had a vulnerable moment with me,” Kirstyn, 46, shares. “He said, ‘It’s bad, I can’t remember anything anymore, I can’t remember people’s names.’ Then he said, ‘Please don’t leave me.’ I told him I never would — I told him, ‘I promise you, I will always take care of you.’ ”
Jason — who spent much of his early life playing football in high school, college and briefly in the NFL — first showed symptoms of the degenerative brain disorder a few years following his retirement from professional football in 1996. When he became concerned about the fluctuating emotions he would experience after consuming even a small amount of alcohol, Jason asked his wife to closely monitor him one night as he sipped a drink in their home in Dixon, California.
“He wanted me to see what happened to him,” Kirstyn says of that moment, more than a decade ago. “He had two drinks, and he was 100 percent different. He just started crying. I looked at him and I said, ‘My god, this isn’t alcohol. There’s something wrong with you.’ ”
It goes on.
https://people.com/sports/jason-hairston-wife-speaks-out-about-cte/
Post by: Ironhead on September 08, 2018, 12:39:56 PM
Post by: magnanimous_j on September 08, 2018, 12:57:08 PM
Judge judge judge, is that all any of you can do?
It's just fear. Look at any thread about suicide, poverty, addiction, anything like that. It's all the same. Some people think that if they puff out their chests and make harsh, black-and-white judgments about something they don't understand; it insulates them from it. As if these issues are some kind of plague that you can catch by not being resolute enough.
It's also counterproductive. It creates stigma around these things and makes people suffering even less likely to seek help, lest they be viewed as weak or immoral. Suicide rates are rising all over the board, but they are exploding among white, middle class, middle aged people. This tough guy posturing is doing nothing but hurting people in their own demographic.
Post by: bradslam on September 08, 2018, 03:48:04 PM
Judge judge judge, is that all any of you can do?
It's just fear. Look at any thread about suicide, poverty, addiction, anything like that. It's all the same. Some people think that if they puff out their chests and make harsh, black-and-white judgments about something they don't understand; it insulates them from it. As if these issues are some kind of plague that you can catch by not being resolute enough.
It's also counterproductive. It creates stigma around these things and makes people suffering even less likely to seek help, lest they be viewed as weak or immoral. Suicide rates are rising all over the board, but they are exploding among white, middle class, middle aged people. This tough guy posturing is doing nothing but hurting people in their own demographic.
Absolutely spot on. In the fire service, there is currently an emphasis on getting help for psychological issues, including suicidal thoughts. In the past, firefighters felt that they would be seen as weak if they talked about issues they were experiencing, but that only led to increased levels of alcoholism and suicides, among other things. It's difficult to change culture, but you can't repeatedly see some of the things we do and bottle them up inside, then expect to just go on about your life like it's no big deal. It will catch up to you.
Post by: addicted2hunting on September 09, 2018, 05:12:49 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on September 09, 2018, 05:32:37 PM
It's sad, people who contemplating it need help and should seek it. There's no shame in not being bulletproof and needing help. There's shame in needing help and pretending you're bulletproof until it's too late and you do something you can't come back from. People struggling definitely need compassion, grace, and understanding but they don't need to hear people glorifying suicide and those who chose it.
Post by: ipkus on September 09, 2018, 06:13:11 PM
Post by: opdinkslayer on September 09, 2018, 06:16:08 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on September 09, 2018, 06:18:27 PM
I haven't seen any of that going on
Post by: emac on September 09, 2018, 06:42:57 PM
I think also with all the gun control being pushed, it deters people from seeking help because of the eventual risk of losing your civil rights due to mental illness even if it’s temporary... there is no such thing as true confidentiality in mental health...👌👌👌👌👌👌👌this is 100% the truth
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 09, 2018, 07:45:39 PM
Post by: funkster on September 09, 2018, 10:59:21 PM
“In the hours leading up to Jason’s death, there were no obvious signs things were amiss. The couple had spoken over the phone that evening while Kirstyn was visiting New York — a trip Jason encouraged her to take since she typically preferred to stay home with him. But just two hours after the call, their 10-year-old son, Cash, phoned Kirstyn and said his father was “acting really different.”
Jason then picked up the phone with Kirstyn on the line, only to remain quiet. Without ever saying a word, he abruptly hung up the phone, walked upstairs, and shot himself.”
https://people.com/sports/jason-hairston-wife-speaks-out-about-cte/
From the description of his symptoms, he could have very well suffered from CTE. However, CTE can only be diagnosed post mortem. At this point, it’s pure speculation.
Very sad situation for this young family, and terrible for his young son to witness. My prayers go out to them.
Post by: elkrack on September 10, 2018, 08:06:10 AM
Post by: idaho guy on September 10, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
Sorry to hear that, I’d say your point of view counts.Oh wow. Never know what a guys got going on behind closed doors. Such a selfish thing to do, I never will understand it
It's easy to think about it from your point of view, you aren't him. There is a good chance he had CTE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy) which has been found in high school football players. This guy played in the NFL, albeit a short career. The medical profession pretty much knows jack about how the brain actually works.
Nothings easy about my point of view and you have no idea where it comes from. My brother killed himself the day after his 36th birthday leaving a wife and child. And it was a selfish thing to do no matter how sad it’s made me.
x2
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 10, 2018, 09:37:05 AM
Per people magazine, it is confirmed he committed suicide.
“In the hours leading up to Jason’s death, there were no obvious signs things were amiss. The couple had spoken over the phone that evening while Kirstyn was visiting New York — a trip Jason encouraged her to take since she typically preferred to stay home with him. But just two hours after the call, their 10-year-old son, Cash, phoned Kirstyn and said his father was “acting really different.”
Jason then picked up the phone with Kirstyn on the line, only to remain quiet. Without ever saying a word, he abruptly hung up the phone, walked upstairs, and shot himself.”
Wow
Post by: h20hunter on September 10, 2018, 09:51:09 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 10, 2018, 10:18:13 AM
Post by: X-Force on September 10, 2018, 10:47:36 AM
That poor kid.
No kidding
Horrible last memory of his dad
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on September 10, 2018, 10:56:29 AM
Post by: 2MANY on September 10, 2018, 10:57:08 AM
Post by: LabChamp on September 10, 2018, 10:58:13 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 10, 2018, 11:31:58 AM
It's heartbreaking to think about what Mr. Hairston was experiencing over the last 20 years.
Post by: jackelope on September 10, 2018, 12:03:28 PM
I lost my dad to suicide in December. Can't put into words how sorry I am for their loss.
Really, really sorry for your loss, man.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 10, 2018, 12:12:15 PM
I lost my dad to suicide in December. Can't put into words how sorry I am for their loss.
Sorry for your loss LabChamp. Can't imagine what you and your family have had to go through.
Post by: LabChamp on September 10, 2018, 12:30:41 PM
I lost my dad to suicide in December. Can't put into words how sorry I am for their loss.
Really, really sorry for your loss, man.
Thank you. Hes still with us every day in everything we do. Just different ways of communicating now
Post by: LabChamp on September 10, 2018, 12:34:55 PM
I lost my dad to suicide in December. Can't put into words how sorry I am for their loss.
Sorry for your loss LabChamp. Can't imagine what you and your family have had to go through.
It has been the most difficult thing I have ever had to go through. Everyday is a new day making the best of it. I just wish I could reach out to jasons son and give him my support. I needed it and still do from my friends and family. The pain is terrifying, and deep. Helps having good friends and family around during the aftermath
Post by: lamrith on September 10, 2018, 12:43:48 PM
I don't think any of us who are living can fully understand how/why anyone would want to end their life. This is kind of hard to write about but one of my best friend's (was in my wedding) and a long time hunting partner took his own life. I had a good conversation with him only days earlier, we talked about our next hunt, about my business, about his business, and about his next business venture that he was thinking of pursuing. He was one of the most positive minded people I have ever known and an inspiration to me, he invented items, he wrote a golf handbook, he was a custom home builder, he could do anything, for that reason it's hard for me to believe he took his own life. I still think about him often and I still question if he actually took his own life or if there was fowl play and no evidence exists to prove it. But I know a few other people who have committed suicide that I would not have expected to do so. All I can say is that it's very sad for everyone involved and I can only hope that people contemplating such an action will seek help. Perhaps we as a society should be more proactive at helping/encouraging people who have these thoughts to seek professional help? Perhaps confidential professional help should be more available? Like I mentioned I had no idea one of my best friends whom I'd known for decades was even considering ending his life.+∞
Rather than judge anyone with mental issues, I would rather show them compassion and encourage them to seek help. Please seek professional help, do it not only for yourself but for the people that really matter in your life! :twocents:
Thank you for that Bearpaw. Is is refreshing to see someone stop and put heart and mind into sharing so others may learn and understand. Mental health issues have ZERO to do with being selfish, weak, or anything a person can control. Anyone that has not dealt with it 1st hand honestly has no foot to stand on calling someone with a true mental issue selfish or weak. You are making assumptions that the person even is cognizant/conscious of what they are doing or that it is "wrong". We are not talking about someone choosing a gender or throwing a committing suicide because their GF/BF left them.
Watching a highly intelligent, kind man vanish over the course of a few months to the point of becoming a toddler for me has been a real shock and heartbreaking. He quite simply is gone, a complete stranger, but his body lives on. Being near it will change your way of thinking about just how little we know about the human brain and how it works.
I was a defensive player, and as much as I dislike how much the game of FB has changed the last few years with all the new rules about hits (harder the better IMHO), I understand why they are making the changes based off of the science and tragic long term effects we are seeing in retired players. This tragedy is a prime example of why.
Post by: funkster on September 10, 2018, 02:55:46 PM
That poor kid.
No kidding
Horrible last memory of his dad
That’s what I was thinking also. What an emotional roller coasters that poor kid must be on. They just got back from a hunt together. My heart goes out to the little guy.
Post by: Bob33 on September 10, 2018, 03:30:54 PM
From Wikipedia:
Suicide is a major national public health issue in the United States. In 2016, there were 44,965 recorded suicides,[2] up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS).[3][4][5] On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years.[6][7] Due to the stigma surrounding suicide, it is suspected that it generally is underreported.[8]
In 2015, suicide was the seventh leading cause of death for males and the 14th leading cause of death for females.[9] Additionally, it was the second leading cause of death for young people aged 15 to 24 and the third leading cause of death for those between the ages of 10 and 14.[10] From 1999 to 2010, the suicide rate among Americans aged 35 to 64 increased nearly 30 percent. The largest increases were among men in their fifties, with rates rising nearly 50 percent, and for women aged 60 to 64, with rates rising 60 percent.[7] In 2008, it was observed that U.S. suicide rates, particularly among middle-aged white women, had increased, although the causes were unclear.[11]
A study done by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention in 2014 stated that suicide was the 10th leading cause of death in the U.S., imposing a cost of $51 billion to the US annually.[8][9] Other additional facts showed by the study were:[8]
1.The annual age-adjusted suicide rate is 13.26 per 100,000 individuals.
2.Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women.
3.Women attempt suicide 2x more often than men.
4.On average, there are 121 suicides per day.
5.White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2015.
6.A firearm is used in almost 50% of all suicides.
7.The rate of suicide is highest in middle age—white men in particular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States
Suicide rates by state (interesting to see how some of the best hunting states have the highest rates):
1. Montana — 26
2. Alaska — 25.4
3. Wyoming — 25.2
4. New Mexico — 22.5
5. Utah — 21.8
6. Nevada — 21.4
7. Idaho — 21.3
8. Oklahoma — 20.9
9. Colorado — 20.5
9. South Dakota — 20.5
11. West Virginia — 19.5
12. North Dakota — 19
13. Missouri — 18.3
14. Arkansas — 18.2
15. Kansas — 17.9
16. Oregon — 17.8
17. Arizona — 17.6
18. New Hampshire — 17.3
18. Vermont — 17.3
20. Kentucky — 16.8
21. Tennessee — 16.3
22. Maine — 15.7
22. South Carolina — 15.7
24. Alabama — 15.6
25. Indiana — 15.4
26. Washington — 14.8
27. Pennsylvania — 14.7
28. Wisconsin — 14.6
29. Iowa — 14.5
30. Louisiana — 14.1
30. Ohio — 14.1
32. Florida — 13.9
33. Georgia — 13.3
33. Michigan — 13.3
35. Minnesota — 13.2
35. Virginia — 13.2
37. Nebraska — 13
37. North Carolina — 13
39. Mississippi — 12.7
40. Texas — 12.6
41. Hawaii — 12
42. Delaware — 11.5
43. Rhode Island — 11.1
44. Illinois — 10.7
45. California — 10.5
46. Connecticut — 10
47. Maryland — 9.3
48. Massachusetts — 8.7
49. New York — 8.1
50. New Jersey — 7.2
51. District of Columbia — 5.1
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
Post by: Jpmiller on September 10, 2018, 07:21:10 PM
Post by: Nwgunner on September 10, 2018, 07:49:14 PM
Post by: bearpaw on September 10, 2018, 11:01:41 PM
I lost my dad to suicide in December. Can't put into words how sorry I am for their loss.
Really, really sorry for your loss, man.
:yeah: I'm very sorry to hear of you and your family's loss. :sry:
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on September 11, 2018, 07:11:42 AM
How very sad for everyone involved.
From Wikipedia:
Suicide is a major national public health issue in the United States. In 2016, there were 44,965 recorded suicides,[2] up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS).[3][4][5] On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years.[6][7] Due to the stigma surrounding suicide, it is suspected that it generally is underreported.[8]
In 2015, suicide was the seventh leading cause of death for males and the 14th leading cause of death for females.[9] Additionally, it was the second leading cause of death for young people aged 15 to 24 and the third leading cause of death for those between the ages of 10 and 14.[10] From 1999 to 2010, the suicide rate among Americans aged 35 to 64 increased nearly 30 percent. The largest increases were among men in their fifties, with rates rising nearly 50 percent, and for women aged 60 to 64, with rates rising 60 percent.[7] In 2008, it was observed that U.S. suicide rates, particularly among middle-aged white women, had increased, although the causes were unclear.[11]
A study done by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention in 2014 stated that suicide was the 10th leading cause of death in the U.S., imposing a cost of $51 billion to the US annually.[8][9] Other additional facts showed by the study were:[8]
1.The annual age-adjusted suicide rate is 13.26 per 100,000 individuals.
2.Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women.
3.Women attempt suicide 2x more often than men.
4.On average, there are 121 suicides per day.
5.White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2015.
6.A firearm is used in almost 50% of all suicides.
7.The rate of suicide is highest in middle age—white men in particular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States
Suicide rates by state (interesting to see how some of the best hunting states have the highest rates):
1. Montana — 26
2. Alaska — 25.4
3. Wyoming — 25.2
4. New Mexico — 22.5
5. Utah — 21.8
6. Nevada — 21.4
7. Idaho — 21.3
8. Oklahoma — 20.9
9. Colorado — 20.5
9. South Dakota — 20.5
11. West Virginia — 19.5
12. North Dakota — 19
13. Missouri — 18.3
14. Arkansas — 18.2
15. Kansas — 17.9
16. Oregon — 17.8
17. Arizona — 17.6
18. New Hampshire — 17.3
18. Vermont — 17.3
20. Kentucky — 16.8
21. Tennessee — 16.3
22. Maine — 15.7
22. South Carolina — 15.7
24. Alabama — 15.6
25. Indiana — 15.4
26. Washington — 14.8
27. Pennsylvania — 14.7
28. Wisconsin — 14.6
29. Iowa — 14.5
30. Louisiana — 14.1
30. Ohio — 14.1
32. Florida — 13.9
33. Georgia — 13.3
33. Michigan — 13.3
35. Minnesota — 13.2
35. Virginia — 13.2
37. Nebraska — 13
37. North Carolina — 13
39. Mississippi — 12.7
40. Texas — 12.6
41. Hawaii — 12
42. Delaware — 11.5
43. Rhode Island — 11.1
44. Illinois — 10.7
45. California — 10.5
46. Connecticut — 10
47. Maryland — 9.3
48. Massachusetts — 8.7
49. New York — 8.1
50. New Jersey — 7.2
51. District of Columbia — 5.1
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
Statistics can be misleading. This post is proof. States with lower population will score higher. That being said. Also being touched by this It will never make sense. But when you are in a hopeless situation, it’s all you see. You cannot see help all around you
Post by: bradslam on September 11, 2018, 07:59:47 AM
How very sad for everyone involved.
From Wikipedia:
Suicide is a major national public health issue in the United States. In 2016, there were 44,965 recorded suicides,[2] up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS).[3][4][5] On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years.[6][7] Due to the stigma surrounding suicide, it is suspected that it generally is underreported.[8]
In 2015, suicide was the seventh leading cause of death for males and the 14th leading cause of death for females.[9] Additionally, it was the second leading cause of death for young people aged 15 to 24 and the third leading cause of death for those between the ages of 10 and 14.[10] From 1999 to 2010, the suicide rate among Americans aged 35 to 64 increased nearly 30 percent. The largest increases were among men in their fifties, with rates rising nearly 50 percent, and for women aged 60 to 64, with rates rising 60 percent.[7] In 2008, it was observed that U.S. suicide rates, particularly among middle-aged white women, had increased, although the causes were unclear.[11]
A study done by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention in 2014 stated that suicide was the 10th leading cause of death in the U.S., imposing a cost of $51 billion to the US annually.[8][9] Other additional facts showed by the study were:[8]
1.The annual age-adjusted suicide rate is 13.26 per 100,000 individuals.
2.Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women.
3.Women attempt suicide 2x more often than men.
4.On average, there are 121 suicides per day.
5.White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2015.
6.A firearm is used in almost 50% of all suicides.
7.The rate of suicide is highest in middle age—white men in particular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States
Suicide rates by state (interesting to see how some of the best hunting states have the highest rates):
1. Montana — 26
2. Alaska — 25.4
3. Wyoming — 25.2
4. New Mexico — 22.5
5. Utah — 21.8
6. Nevada — 21.4
7. Idaho — 21.3
8. Oklahoma — 20.9
9. Colorado — 20.5
9. South Dakota — 20.5
11. West Virginia — 19.5
12. North Dakota — 19
13. Missouri — 18.3
14. Arkansas — 18.2
15. Kansas — 17.9
16. Oregon — 17.8
17. Arizona — 17.6
18. New Hampshire — 17.3
18. Vermont — 17.3
20. Kentucky — 16.8
21. Tennessee — 16.3
22. Maine — 15.7
22. South Carolina — 15.7
24. Alabama — 15.6
25. Indiana — 15.4
26. Washington — 14.8
27. Pennsylvania — 14.7
28. Wisconsin — 14.6
29. Iowa — 14.5
30. Louisiana — 14.1
30. Ohio — 14.1
32. Florida — 13.9
33. Georgia — 13.3
33. Michigan — 13.3
35. Minnesota — 13.2
35. Virginia — 13.2
37. Nebraska — 13
37. North Carolina — 13
39. Mississippi — 12.7
40. Texas — 12.6
41. Hawaii — 12
42. Delaware — 11.5
43. Rhode Island — 11.1
44. Illinois — 10.7
45. California — 10.5
46. Connecticut — 10
47. Maryland — 9.3
48. Massachusetts — 8.7
49. New York — 8.1
50. New Jersey — 7.2
51. District of Columbia — 5.1
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
Statistics can be misleading. This post is proof. States with lower population will score higher. That being said. Also being touched by this It will never make sense. But when you are in a hopeless situation, it’s all you see. You cannot see help all around you
Not sure what you mean. The rates listed are per 100,000 people. Total population of the state doesn't affect the rate.
Post by: cavemann on September 20, 2018, 12:59:03 PM
For those also directly impacted by mental illness, I can tell you from personal experience unless you have it you can't relate. Cancer appears as a tumor and you can see the pain/suffering as the body deteriorates. Broken bones need cast and you can see the damage and relate to the pain. Mental illness is invisible and I've explained at times as I try to understand my own as trying to understand how electron/protons crash around and make computers work... It's overwhelming, invisible and sometimes impossible to comprehend. Even with the smartest physicist explaining it, most of us can't comprehend it... As is the case with mental illness.. Even with a doctor explaining it, it's still not tangible and nearly impossible to comprehend what it does to you.
Most have experienced being intoxicated and most all accept peoples actions intoxicated are not what they'd be if they weren't. We've all done stupid things in those moments and often times it is greeted with a laugh and someones else story similar.. Well, mental illness works in a similar way but you don't get to pick when it happens or how severe the impact is that day.
EPSN is getting ready to release SEAU 30/30 and I'm looking forward to it.. It's kind of what prompted me to post.
Just sharing my own experience and opinion. Sorry for those of you who have been through this with family/friend and I feel terrible for Jason's family.
Post by: bradslam on September 20, 2018, 01:19:03 PM
Post by: 2MANY on September 20, 2018, 02:34:15 PM
That helps myself understand.
Post by: Hoythunter on September 20, 2018, 02:39:38 PM
Nice post Cavemann.
That helps myself understand.
X2
Post by: bassquatch on September 21, 2018, 02:26:34 PM
There is no current "test" for CTE, only post-mortem diagnosis. My wife and I have been researching over the past year as I have 5 of the 6 symptoms even though I have only had 6 confirmed concussions in my lifetime. The short term memory loss, insomnia and migraines are my primary issues and it's a very frustrating experience to say the least. I literally have to take notes constantly and I put everything in my pockets in my hat at the end of the day so I don't forget any of it the next day. I have turned around on my way to work only to realize I put the thing I turned around for in my trunk when I left the first time! The migraines end any day instantly and the "ice pick" headaches are some of the worst seconds you could imagine.
Fortunately I don't drink or use any kind of narcotics to exacerbate the symptoms but I could absolutely understand the frustration and depression associated with the degeneration of ones own brain! White noise, blurry vision at times, forgetting the subject halfway through the conversation, insomnia or waking up every hour, it can be aggravating to say the least. I feel sorry for him if suicide is the place he got to?! Perhaps he wanted to end it in the field? Maybe he was hoping it would look like a 'hunting accident'? We may never know honestly, but I really do feel for the guy.
I hope mine isn't CTE for a lot of reasons obviously, but it's been getting progressively worse over the last five years. We are hoping it is just increased stress from my new work responsibilities coupled with standard concussion side effects and can be managed and will dissipate as my increased workload normalizes. If it is CTE, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Post by: Sandberm on September 22, 2018, 07:18:20 AM
Very sad deal for sure :'(
There is no current "test" for CTE, only post-mortem diagnosis. My wife and I have been researching over the past year as I have 5 of the 6 symptoms even though I have only had 6 confirmed concussions in my lifetime. The short term memory loss, insomnia and migraines are my primary issues and it's a very frustrating experience to say the least. I literally have to take notes constantly and I put everything in my pockets in my hat at the end of the day so I don't forget any of it the next day. I have turned around on my way to work only to realize I put the thing I turned around for in my trunk when I left the first time! The migraines end any day instantly and the "ice pick" headaches are some of the worst seconds you could imagine.
Fortunately I don't drink or use any kind of narcotics to exacerbate the symptoms but I could absolutely understand the frustration and depression associated with the degeneration of ones own brain! White noise, blurry vision at times, forgetting the subject halfway through the conversation, insomnia or waking up every hour, it can be aggravating to say the least. I feel sorry for him if suicide is the place he got to?! Perhaps he wanted to end it in the field? Maybe he was hoping it would look like a 'hunting accident'? We may never know honestly, but I really do feel for the guy.
I hope mine isn't CTE for a lot of reasons obviously, but it's been getting progressively worse over the last five years. We are hoping it is just increased stress from my new work responsibilities coupled with standard concussion side effects and can be managed and will dissipate as my increased workload normalizes. If it is CTE, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
How did you get so many concussions?
We have some depression and a bit of a desire to numb ourselves(alcohol) in our family but no suicides or run-ins with the law. Ive suffered a bit with it but gotten through. I thought getting into my 40's would bring a calmness to my life. You know what your doing, who you are and still have your health. But in my family it seems each one of us has to go through a midlife crisis of sorts. Life isnt getting any easier, what with the constant aches and pains of a lifetime of physical labor and an active lifestyle. Declining energy levels and labido :(. Having to take care of my parents as they get older is a constant stress that wears me out as well as earning a living doesnt seem to be getting any easier.
You know whats nice though? Pretty girls will talk to me freely now :tung: I guess they do not feel like...at my age, with my gut, slight hair loss and funny walk that if they smile and flirt with me I wouldnt have the embarrissing nerve to ask them out on a date :dunno: As I heard in a movie recently where two guys in their late 40's are chatting, one guys says to the other in reference to young attractive women chatting them up, "You know they dont find us threatening anymore dont you?" :rolleyes:
Oh well, such is life.
Post by: Mudman on September 22, 2018, 08:06:39 AM
Post by: cavemann on September 22, 2018, 10:19:47 AM
Thanks for posting. It's good to have the conversation and put a different perspective out there for people to see. It wasn't until recently i shared my issues with family/friends.
Post by: bassquatch on September 22, 2018, 06:31:01 PM
@bassquatch.. Man that sucks, sorry to hear but as you said hopefully something you can manage.
Thanks for posting. It's good to have the conversation and put a different perspective out there for people to see. It wasn't until recently i shared my issues with family/friends.
Thanks caveman! Nothing to fear and self inflicted on my end...being young and bulletproof on bicycles, motorcycles, a couple non-fault accidents on both types of two-wheeled toys, it is what it is now. I feel bad for my wife because I know how much she worries, but the dye is cast as they say. Big factor for me walking away from hunting for good this year...too easy to get disoriented in the woods now, not willing to put my wonderful wife through the extra stress.
My last diagnosed concussion lasted four months, non-fault motorcycle accident on I-405 at the Bothell / Woodinville Interchange. Wish it would have just been broken bones but thankfully I was wearing a $1200 Arai full face race helmet or I may be typing this by blowing into a straw?!
They make migraine medication, and I have replaced almost all of the fluorescent bulbs in my home and shop with LED's which is supposed to help with the migraines but we'll see? All you can really do is manage it to the best of your ability and monitor any changes or worsening symptoms. Also trying to do a lot of "bucket list" type things NOW instead of later in life....just in case.