Post by: Buck86 on September 16, 2018, 03:56:23 PM
Post by: Buck86 on September 16, 2018, 04:00:42 PM
Post by: BUTTER on September 18, 2018, 08:40:46 PM
Post by: Harald on October 22, 2018, 01:36:40 PM
Post by: Buck86 on October 22, 2018, 06:17:46 PM
Good Luck
Buck
Post by: Sabotloader on October 22, 2018, 06:51:26 PM
When I upgrade, I am going the Bare Primer way not the plastic jacket. I would like to hear some feed back on the bare primer conversion on the disc if anyone has done that? I wonder how water proof that is and how easy/difficult it is to prime and de prime?
Good Luck
Buck
I think this might answer your question - I wrote this up the other night on a different forum...
OK.... now remember this is just my opinion... The FPJ system works and it works well. It is what Knight says - it totally water proof's your breech. Notice Knight never ever says it is a clean shooting system. The breech will get dirty but the rifle will be water proof and go bang! But, I really did not like the FPJ system because I did not like pushing the 209 primers out of the jacket and putting new ones in...
The picture in the bottom right shows the red plastic jackets...
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fDbHXzZ/11-Cap-Protectors.jpg)
This is a pic of the FPJ in the face of the bolt ready to be pushed on to the breech plug.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMFgbZb6/P1010018-1.jpg)
This pic shows the blow back on the jackets after shooting.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1zgXytTs/Sabot-Primers.jpg)
Personally I much prefer the bare prime system (NFPJ), but from the factory it probably will not be totally waterproof and it can also leak back pressure. But this can all be corrected by installing primer shims in the breech plug.
Follow this link... http://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=28388
With a 'bare primer' breech you simply take a bare 209 primer insert it into the rails on the face of the open bolt them push the bolt handle forward and down.
If the breech plug has been modified to seal the primer the shot primers will come out looking like this.
(https://i.postimg.cc/43K5snY3/Conv-Composite.jpg)
mike
Post by: WSU on October 23, 2018, 09:46:03 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on October 23, 2018, 12:06:33 PM
Is it just the dirty results of the red jacket system you don't like? Is there some other problem with it? As you know, I just bought one.
Basically - yes the dirt... but you are also losing some barrel pressure out the back of the bore. The FPJ expands on the nipple as the pressure builds and does then loose a small amount gas out the rear.
Post by: reelamin on October 23, 2018, 12:28:28 PM
In my rifle with anything over 100gr loads 80% of the jackets no longer fit. That is an added cost not needed with many other rifles. Not just a little looser but fall off with gravity. Also in order to get fully on the nipple I have to use the plastic tool or my rifle has ignition problems. One more step in the loading process...fine at the range...not fine in the field. I will be getting a second muzzle loader (upgrade) and it will have just a bare primer ignition system.
Post by: Buck86 on October 23, 2018, 08:08:20 PM
Good Luck
Buck
Post by: Sabotloader on October 23, 2018, 08:16:17 PM
I have used the red plastic jackets on my bighorn. I will not use those on my new Disc. Thanks Sabotloader for the info. You are a wealth of knowledge, even if it is your opinion. I honestly am not completely sold on the 209 system. I personally and currently am still using #11 caps and I have not yet had my muzz not go off unless I messed up during a quick cleaning processes, or something stupid along those lines. So for me I am torn between if upgrading to the bare 209 system on the disc is worth it? I am not sure that I gain much verses just staying with the #11 western ignition. I now I can keep that water proof without very much difficulty.
Good Luck
Buck
I know exactly what you mean.... the biggest reason I like 209 ignition is with a bare primer I can make the breech area CLEAN - just like a centerfire. And I can get slight jump on performance if I switch powder to BH 209 and shoot projectile with a weight of 260 or greater. And then you only get 100 to 150fps at the muzzle. So again it really isn't that big of a deal...
Post by: Buck86 on October 23, 2018, 08:28:48 PM
Thanks Buck
By the way this is still a very good deal on a new Knight Disc rifle.
Post by: reelamin on October 24, 2018, 01:24:05 PM
Post by: Buck86 on October 24, 2018, 07:11:04 PM
Good Luck Buck.
Post by: reelamin on November 06, 2018, 10:46:45 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on November 06, 2018, 05:42:21 PM
Well I called to pull the trigger on this "deal". For me it was not much of a deal but it would be cheaper in the big picture if I was fully committed to this rifle. I could not get the bare primer rifle for $499...needed a conversion kit for $100 and shipping of $35. $500 I could do now....$635 makes me pause for a while.....still leaning towards the CVA Accura for now.
Well, maybe - you might not have to spend that much to convert the rifle from FPJ to NFPJ. With the DISC Extreme you really only need the breech plug and a primer adapter for the bolt.
You can see the primer adapter in the upper right picture and that drops in the FPJ bolt. This allows you to drop 209 primers in the opening. the bolt then inserts them into the BP and Extract them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FKfRBF2J/CompositePicture.jpg)
The problem finding a primer adapter. There is a company that might have some and would sale them.
Contact Jeff Bestill at BESTILL Creations - shop # 812 667-7166
He actually makes a great leak free BP system for the Knight.