Post by: slowhand on September 24, 2018, 09:04:04 AM
Input please.
Gun is dead center and consistent at 50 yard. I have no plans to shoot anything longer than 100 yards.
Post by: JakeLand on September 24, 2018, 09:10:07 AM
Post by: Henrydog on September 24, 2018, 09:21:35 AM
Post by: BeerBugler on September 24, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on September 24, 2018, 10:16:21 AM
Recently I made a trip to the rock pit to shoot clay birds and even some chips with an Knight Western ULite with a NECG Peep sight and a Williams front ramp, fire sight, and fire sight hood. Most know that the Fire Sight bead is what seems like a very large bead (.060"). At 100 yards the bead will cover almost all of 3". So in my mind the way to defeat that is to use a what id called a 6 O'clock hold on the target. Basically place the point you want to hit on top of the sight. So it is a figure 8. Looking at the picture it would be like picture "H"
(https://i.postimg.cc/5tXB7wjv/Open_sight_pictures1.jpg)
This series of pictures will hopefully demonstrate the effectiveness of this method.
Rifle
(https://i.postimg.cc/gkgKFNh8/18-9_Western_Ulite.jpg)
Front Sight
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqXGP6xv/Front_Bead.jpg)
Range
(https://i.postimg.cc/6pTf9nVS/18-9_100_yd._Range.jpg)
Target setup
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZSX93Hb/18-9_4_Bird_Set.jpg)
Random chips on the wall
(https://i.postimg.cc/q7hwGyzn/18-9_Chip_s.jpg)
Chips gone
(https://i.postimg.cc/Xq3g3Pxc/18-9_Chips_GONE.jpg)
Clean wall after shooting
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yNcbLvV/18-9_Birds_Gone.jpg)
Hope this might help some...
Post by: CedarPants on September 24, 2018, 10:29:29 AM
Post by: Henrydog on September 24, 2018, 10:36:02 AM
Post by: slowhand on September 24, 2018, 10:48:26 AM
To close to season opener at this point but tempting.
Having the target covered is definetly part of my challenge
Post by: Sabotloader on September 24, 2018, 10:57:18 AM
Sabotloader - if I followed that correctly, are you saying that your point of impact should be right above the front bead (instead of using the bead as your POI)?
Yes, my point of impact is above the front bead... now to confuse the whole thing a little more I also sight the rifle in using 3"PBR. So what I am saying is @ 100 yards my bullet will impact right at 3" high and @ 150 yards it will be near true zero...
This ballistic sheet shows what I am trying to indicate.... and even in all of that I still use a figure 8 hold on the target so I see clearly where the bullet is going to impact (or I should say the planned impact point)
This ballistic sheet shows the effects of 3" PBR - so in effect I can shot from 0 yards to somewhere near 200 and never be higher than 3" or lower than 3"
(https://i.postimg.cc/63JdfZgR/Lehigh_452-265_CF-_HP.jpg)
Post by: CedarPants on September 24, 2018, 11:00:33 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on September 24, 2018, 11:05:06 AM
Yup that is how I am taking it as well. He also has a neoprene sleeve raising his POI
The neoprene sleeve on the stock of the rifle is to get my eye up to the level of the peep. If and the way I place my chin on the stock I find I am looking below the peep. The sleeve is holding a stock swell pad in place.
You can see it pretty well in this picture...
(https://i.postimg.cc/k52FvH3F/ULite_Western.jpg)
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 24, 2018, 11:07:36 AM
My recommendation would be take breaks between shots if that's the case. It may be a fundamental issue more than your eyesight.
Post by: Alchase on September 24, 2018, 11:11:44 AM
Am I understanding that you were hitting bulls-eye, with the occasional POI left-of-center?
My recommendation would be take breaks between shots if that's the case. It may be a fundamental issue more than your eyesight.
Ya that, if you are consistently missing left of POA, there is something else, not you eye sight.
Post by: ghosthunter on September 24, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
With a Williams peep site.
Post by: Sabotloader on September 24, 2018, 11:32:55 AM
I do it exactly like Sabotloader.
With a Williams peep site.
It is my belief that the Williams FP Peep and the Lyman SML are the best peeps out there maybe with the Lyman being slightly ahead of the Williams because of one added feature on the sight but they do not make a Lyman for the Knight application
This is my Williams on my DISC
(https://i.postimg.cc/v868PtjH/Williams_FP_Peep.jpg)
I truly believe the peep improves my open sight skills a lot!
Post by: grundy53 on September 24, 2018, 11:41:31 AM
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Post by: slowhand on September 24, 2018, 12:30:42 PM
I think next year I will invest in a peep sight setup and try out the 6 o'clock idea.
For this season I will keep the shots to a max of 100 Yards and a bit more practice.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on September 24, 2018, 02:20:59 PM
Post by: kselkhunter on September 24, 2018, 02:34:07 PM
I recently removed the fibre optics from my muzzleloader, put on a williams peep and Lyman front globe (There’s a good write up on gohunt.com). Not a perfect setup, don’t like the dovetail ramp/globe (had to shim) also replaces the rear aperature with the “twilight” aperature. After working through all the little issues a can say 100 yards is EASY. My sights no longer cover the entire target and I can now aim for an actual spot. The twilight aperature made a more crisp sight picture.
Another vote for this setup. Thankfully I didn't have the problems others commenting on that gohunt article had when mounting the front ramp/globe. And the Merit adjustable insert that I'm using with my rear peep really helps adjust for distance and light conditions. I did the peeprib instead of a standard rear peep, so I can add a scope for load development when I want. I love this setup.
Post by: Sabotloader on September 24, 2018, 02:40:33 PM
In order to be zerod at 100yrds, would I want to be about 1" high at 50yrds? I shoot 300gr bloodlines with 110gr fffg.
Just guessing but I think about 1.2-3" but you will not know until you shoot it and verify. Computed ballistic sheet should be considered inly a very close approximate information.