Post by: frogman338 on October 18, 2018, 09:51:48 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on October 18, 2018, 09:58:13 PM
Post by: frogman338 on October 18, 2018, 10:03:51 PM
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Post by: fishnfur on October 18, 2018, 10:59:49 PM
Pay attention to the thermals and use a wind indicator if you're not sure what's happening. There's not a hell of a lot you can do to recover from them catching your wind - it's going to happen when you go in the woods. There will always be deer downwind of you somewhere. Remember that spot though. He might be found bedded there again in a few days. Come in sideways/horizontal to the level you believe he was at. Move slow, slow, slow and maybe tip a can call occasionally if you have one.
Post by: frogman338 on October 18, 2018, 11:59:50 PM
Good guess but impossible to say for sure. He may have been dealing with another buck and you just happened to be in the vicinity. Normally, they just blow when they bust you, at least in my experience. It sounds like when you blow out really hard though pursed lips. A doe will blow at you as well.
Pay attention to the thermals and use a wind indicator if you're not sure what's happening. There's not a hell of a lot you can do to recover from them catching your wind - it's going to happen when you go in the woods. There will always be deer downwind of you somewhere. Remember that spot though. He might be found bedded there again in a few days. Come in sideways/horizontal to the level you believe he was at. Move slow, slow, slow and maybe tip a can call occasionally if you have one.
i hunt a lot at the place where i heard him, seen a lotta deer activity these past months but only does with fawns. I can't really do much in that place , it's a very old clear cut with tall reprod trees overgrown with berry patches at the edge of the timber. No matter how I try, the wind always wins in that place. I thought I heard a loud snap, assumed there were 2 bucks, because he kept doing that for about a few minutes with long breaks, but can't really say what happened down there.
Should I wait for a couple days then go back there, or just check back daily?
Post by: JakeLand on October 19, 2018, 05:33:54 AM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on October 19, 2018, 06:24:00 AM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on October 19, 2018, 07:28:56 AM
I have only heard a buck grunt or " wheeze" a couple of times. Rut noise from blacktails in my experience is, with rare exception, pretty quiet. You have to be in tight already to hear it. Now blowing, or loud wheezing is very common, and was likely a doe or possibly a young buck. I have never seen an older age class buck do it. The good news is there is does in the area and a buck could show anytime. Good luck!
Post by: jackmaster on October 19, 2018, 07:37:18 AM
Probably a doe ! Blacktail Bucks will just keep quiet:yeah: it was a doe, bucks don’t blow and wheeze like that
Post by: frogman338 on October 19, 2018, 08:58:42 AM
t=14s
Post by: JakeLand on October 19, 2018, 09:07:26 AM
I’ve had big boys postering up and full on fights in front of me within yards and only heard groaning and light throat growling
Post by: Molon5labe on October 19, 2018, 09:18:36 AM
Probably a doe ! Blacktail Bucks will just keep quiet:yeah: it was a doe, bucks don’t blow and wheeze like that
That is false, assuming we are talking about the same noise. I was on a ridge a few weeks ago bear hunting and a 2pt black tail came trotting around a fold in the hill. He saw me about 30 yards out, blew a big wheeze, turned and hopped away.
Post by: MountainWalk on October 19, 2018, 09:21:58 AM
Post by: frogman338 on October 19, 2018, 09:25:58 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on October 19, 2018, 11:15:36 AM
This is the exact same thing i heard yesterday
t=14s
Those aren't real blacktail! Must be the high fence that's interfering.
Post by: fishnfur on October 19, 2018, 11:27:33 AM
Good guess but impossible to say for sure. He may have been dealing with another buck and you just happened to be in the vicinity. Normally, they just blow when they bust you, at least in my experience. It sounds like when you blow out really hard though pursed lips. A doe will blow at you as well.
Pay attention to the thermals and use a wind indicator if you're not sure what's happening. There's not a hell of a lot you can do to recover from them catching your wind - it's going to happen when you go in the woods. There will always be deer downwind of you somewhere. Remember that spot though. He might be found bedded there again in a few days. Come in sideways/horizontal to the level you believe he was at. Move slow, slow, slow and maybe tip a can call occasionally if you have one.
i hunt a lot at the place where i heard him, seen a lotta deer activity these past months but only does with fawns. I can't really do much in that place , it's a very old clear cut with tall reprod trees overgrown with berry patches at the edge of the timber. No matter how I try, the wind always wins in that place. I thought I heard a loud snap, assumed there were 2 bucks, because he kept doing that for about a few minutes with long breaks, but can't really say what happened down there.
Should I wait for a couple days then go back there, or just check back daily?
There's no right answer on how you should proceed. What works one time might fail the next. Every deer is an individual and each will respond to circumstances differently. You should try to be flexible with a plan to try several tactics. One thing for sure, you need to make sure they don't know you're in there. If they keep winding you, they're going to move or restrict movement to nights only. A study in Oregon showed that deer seem to recover from heavy weekend hunting within just two or three days. If you go in there every third day and don't stink up the place, you're probably OK.
- Once you're on a suspected buck, you can sit and wait and hope it comes out towards you. I'm sure that works sometimes. I have failed miserably with this tactic (as with most tactics), except when glassing younger reprod. Sounds like you can't see a hell of a lot in that spot, so I think figuring a way to get them to show themselves or moving so you can see into their world better is the best bet. In my mind, a tree stand is the best way to work an area you know deer will pass through. That may or may not be possible for you.
- other options that I think might produce results are rattling, grunting, or a mix of both. Do some reading from previous years (search the forum) on rattling techniques and give it a try. Stay well hidden and don't overdo it. The internet has a decent number of articles regarding rattling for BTs as well. If you can locate old rubs (or new ones if there are any yet) in the area, that might be a great area to work too. He's not going to leave a hot doe, but if he's close and alone, he might decide to come take a look. Bucks will come in from the downwind side of you. Listen and watch carefully for movement. Watch for a white patch (deer muzzle) hidden behind foliage - he probably won't come running in, but instead stay a few layers of brush deep from you. Don't be afraid to move if you need to (to your downwind side)- the buck thinks other bucks are in his territory, and he's expecting to see/smell them. A little noise from you will not make them disappear, as long as they can't see that you're human. This type of hunting is a blast when deer respond.
Bucks will be more mobile in the near future. The suspected buck in your spot may be a half-mile away tomorrow. They come and go from their core areas as the rut ramps up. New bucks will arrive from elsewhere and then disappear again. Stay flexible and keep moving as conditions dictate. Enjoy the season. (feels like a deer day out there today :tup:)
Here's a vid of a good rattling technique. Grind 'em.
Post by: jackmaster on October 19, 2018, 11:33:36 AM
well that’s good to know, every deer I had blowcand wheeze have always been doe, glad to know I was wrong , thank you for the info :tup:Probably a doe ! Blacktail Bucks will just keep quiet:yeah: it was a doe, bucks don’t blow and wheeze like that
That is false, assuming we are talking about the same noise. I was on a ridge a few weeks ago bear hunting and a 2pt black tail came trotting around a fold in the hill. He saw me about 30 yards out, blew a big wheeze, turned and hopped away.
Post by: frogman338 on October 19, 2018, 01:13:50 PM
Good info!
There's actually a small 50-60 ft hill right next to the timber edge, wanted to make a trail to the top of it so I can be above them. But I've seen does coming out of the timber right to the top of that ridge a couple times so I assumed it's better just to hide behind the grass and young alders and wait. If I get busted on the hill, the bucks will definitely disappear for a long time.
I got other spots too, but that one is way closer, so let's hope it'll work out.
Post by: fishnfur on October 19, 2018, 06:23:36 PM
Post by: Martinhunter on October 19, 2018, 06:37:45 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 19, 2018, 06:40:29 PM
Post by: Turner89 on October 19, 2018, 08:17:24 PM
How do you know it's a doe just from the sound? As far as I know bucks and does sound exactly the same.:yeah:
I had a 3 point do it to me last year.
Post by: Tiger1358 on October 19, 2018, 09:39:01 PM
Post by: fishnfur on October 19, 2018, 09:58:41 PM
I've heard deer blow plenty of times but never once a snort wheeze like that in the video. I say just keep working it and find a couple other great spots to hunt on the off days.