Post by: Ridgeratt on October 26, 2018, 11:31:30 AM
State will kill remaining 2 wolves of pack killing cattle
Posted: Oct 26, 2018 11:25 AM PDT
Updated: Oct 26, 2018 11:25 AM PDT
SPOKANE, Wash. -
The state has decided to kill the remaining two wolves from a pack that has repeatedly preyed on cattle in the Kettle River Range of Ferry County.
The state Department of Fish and Wildlife says it documented another wolf depredation on Tuesday, bringing the total to 16 attributed to the Old Profanity Territory pack.
Agency Director Kelly Susewind on Friday ordered the remaining two wolves killed.
The state had earlier killed the other members of the pack, and conducted an evaluation period to see if attacks on cattle would stop.
The agency says the rancher has taken steps to deter wolves.
The Center for Biological Diversity has criticized the killing of wolves, and says this is the fourth pack the state has decimated to protect the cattle of one rancher.
Post by: MtnMuley on October 26, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
Post by: Gobble Doc on October 26, 2018, 11:43:11 AM
Post by: bornhunter on October 26, 2018, 12:30:09 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on October 26, 2018, 03:04:46 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/graphics/pack_map_033018.jpg
https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/
If you open the link the WDFW refers to the Profanity Peak pack as a Former pack.
The wolf map doesn't even show them existing anymore either.
Someone explain how that works to me please.
Post by: jstone on October 26, 2018, 03:14:48 PM
Would you bet on those Odds
Post by: lamrith on October 26, 2018, 03:16:34 PM
From the WDFW wolf page:Pack has very specific criteria, and is more than just a pair. Something like a mating pair and so many pups I believe. So given only 2 are left, it is no longer a pack (In WDFW technical speak)
https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/graphics/pack_map_033018.jpg
https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/
If you open the link the WDFW refers to the Profanity Peak pack as a Former pack.
The wolf map doesn't even show them existing anymore either.
Someone explain how that works to me please.
Post by: Ridgeratt on October 26, 2018, 03:23:40 PM
DEFINITION
NORTH AMERICAN
the obscuring or embellishing of the truth of a situation with misleading or irrelevant information.
Post by: KFhunter on October 26, 2018, 03:24:00 PM
Country boy speak: WDFW is full of crap, they didn't shoot the whole pack there's plenty of dogs still there to breed next spring.
If WDFW shoots either breeder alpha male or alpha female; then the pack no longer is a "pack". Sure there'll be a "new pack" this spring as one of the subs steps up into that role and have pups.
It might take a few years to get that "new" pack re-confirmed though (which is just remnants of the old pack).....probably after they knock down some more cattle.
Post by: PA BEN on October 26, 2018, 05:59:45 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on October 26, 2018, 08:20:25 PM
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Post by: wolfbait on October 27, 2018, 12:19:52 PM
WDFW speak: The former pack no longer meets the definition of a "pack", therefore no longer exists.
Country boy speak: WDFW is full of crap, they didn't shoot the whole pack there's plenty of dogs still there to breed next spring.
If WDFW shoots either breeder alpha male or alpha female; then the pack no longer is a "pack". Sure there'll be a "new pack" this spring as one of the subs steps up into that role and have pups.
It might take a few years to get that "new" pack re-confirmed though (which is just remnants of the old pack).....probably after they knock down some more cattle.
:yeah: :bash:
Next year won't be any different then this year, same predation same WDFW pretending to want to help while wolves kill more cattle.
Post by: Ridgeratt on October 27, 2018, 12:20:52 PM
WDFW speak: The former pack no longer meets the definition of a "pack", therefore no longer exists.
Country boy speak: WDFW is full of crap, they didn't shoot the whole pack there's plenty of dogs still there to breed next spring.
If WDFW shoots either breeder alpha male or alpha female; then the pack no longer is a "pack". Sure there'll be a "new pack" this spring as one of the subs steps up into that role and have pups.
It might take a few years to get that "new" pack re-confirmed though (which is just remnants of the old pack).....probably after they knock down some more cattle.
Unfortunately this is becoming the norm instead of the exception. Ask anyone who understands canine social pack structure. They will tell you there is already a successor waiting in the wings.
Post by: bornhunter on October 27, 2018, 09:39:40 PM
WDFW speak: The former pack no longer meets the definition of a "pack", therefore no longer exists.
Country boy speak: WDFW is full of crap, they didn't shoot the whole pack there's plenty of dogs still there to breed next spring.
If WDFW shoots either breeder alpha male or alpha female; then the pack no longer is a "pack". Sure there'll be a "new pack" this spring as one of the subs steps up into that role and have pups.
It might take a few years to get that "new" pack re-confirmed though (which is just remnants of the old pack).....probably after they knock down some more cattle.
:yeah: :bash:
Next year won't be any different then this year, same predation same WDFW pretending to want to help while wolves kill more cattle.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 28, 2018, 06:29:10 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on October 28, 2018, 08:49:15 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on October 28, 2018, 09:46:55 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on October 28, 2018, 09:50:06 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/updates.php
Appears that the Togo and OPT are always in the news.
Post by: bearpaw on November 01, 2018, 07:16:28 AM
Post by: HighlandLofts on November 01, 2018, 08:41:55 PM
Post by: shallowforks on November 01, 2018, 09:47:35 PM
Post by: wolfbait on November 02, 2018, 12:55:09 PM
THANK YOU to the WDFW. I appreciate this action very much. While I understand its wrapped up in a whole lot of political bs, I think we could agree that 16 dead cows/calves is too many before this level of action but its a step in the right direction. Its a tough job to take into account all interests but I think protecting ranchers livelihoods should remain a top priority in the wolf management plan. I think Idaho is a great model for us to look at for the future, wolf populations are sustained and safe, ranchers have the ability to protect their herds, and not only have hunters seen some of the best elk hunting the last four years as they have in decades, but they now have an additional species to pursue in the woods. WDFW, lets work toward a model similar to idaho. :tup:
Where are you getting your info?
Idaho commission says wolf-livestock kills hit record in past year
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jul/25/idaho-commission-says-wolf-livestock-kills-hit-rec/
One in Nine wolf predations are confirmed
Imagine the impact on the game herds etc., who's counting them?
Post by: wolfbait on November 02, 2018, 12:55:52 PM
By not taking immediate action when any wolf kills cattle, wolf groups and WDFW are ensuring that the rest of the pack or wolves in the area become cattle killers. :bash:
:yeah: :bash: :bash:
Post by: shallowforks on November 04, 2018, 07:09:10 PM
THANK YOU to the WDFW. I appreciate this action very much. While I understand its wrapped up in a whole lot of political bs, I think we could agree that 16 dead cows/calves is too many before this level of action but its a step in the right direction. Its a tough job to take into account all interests but I think protecting ranchers livelihoods should remain a top priority in the wolf management plan. I think Idaho is a great model for us to look at for the future, wolf populations are sustained and safe, ranchers have the ability to protect their herds, and not only have hunters seen some of the best elk hunting the last four years as they have in decades, but they now have an additional species to pursue in the woods. WDFW, lets work toward a model similar to idaho. :tup:
Where are you getting your info?
Idaho commission says wolf-livestock kills hit record in past year
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jul/25/idaho-commission-says-wolf-livestock-kills-hit-rec/
One in Nine wolf predations are confirmed
Imagine the impact on the game herds etc., who's counting them?
I got that info directly off of IDFG website. They do admit that there are areas still below objective but overall elk hunting is as good now as its been in a long time.