Post by: ljsommer on November 17, 2018, 05:35:16 PM
Setting up a compound bow? Rocket science and everyone's got a different opinion. Hours upon hours and I still can't get a bullet-hole on paper. Arrow is traveling all over the place. Videos, guides, nothing's working.
The good news is that at this rate I'll be able to take an ethical shot at an animal in about 3-4 years.
Post by: Rubenation1981 on November 17, 2018, 05:49:11 PM
Take it in to a bow shop. Have them give it a once over. If it's shooting fine at the shop or the bow technician is able to shoot bullet holes then it's probably your form.
As far as equipment... Shoot what you can afford and shoots good for you. Don't sweat the small stuff, you'll drive yourself crazy.
Post by: huntnfmly on November 17, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
I understand your frustrations. Happened to me when I first dove into archery.
Take it in to a bow shop. Have them give it a once over. If it's shooting fine at the shop or the bow technician is able to shoot bullet holes then it's probably your form.
As far as equipment... Shoot what you can afford and shoots good for you. Don't sweat the small stuff, you'll drive yourself crazy.
:yeah:
Post by: Seahawk12 on November 17, 2018, 06:34:41 PM
It's a style of hunting that takes a lot of patience.
Have someone record you taking 10-20 shots and compare what you're seeing to videos of pros shooting form.
There are tons of reasons for an arrow to not give a good paper tune.
Incorrect spine, rest set incorrectly, nock point off, fleching not oriented correctly, etc etc.
What is your set-up?
Maybe we can narrow down the possibilities.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on November 17, 2018, 06:50:33 PM
Finding the right arrows? Rocket science and everyone's got a different opinion. Same with broadheads.
Setting up a compound bow? Rocket science and everyone's got a different opinion. Hours upon hours and I still can't get a bullet-hole on paper. Arrow is traveling all over the place. Videos, guides, nothing's working.
The good news is that at this rate I'll be able to take an ethical shot at an animal in about 3-4 years.
Where do you live?
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Post by: h20hunter on November 17, 2018, 06:53:20 PM
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Post by: Fullabull on November 17, 2018, 08:35:57 PM
https://eastonarchery.com/2016/11/easton-arrow-tuning-guide/
Post by: jstone on November 17, 2018, 08:50:24 PM
Good luck. Lots of people to help
Post by: Lucky1 on November 17, 2018, 09:05:50 PM
I dont think it’s possible to perfectly paper tune a recurve or longbow. There have been lots of animals killed with them.
Figure out what your maximum effective range is and try to get that close before you shoot.
The shooting is just a part of it. Getting yourself within range is the hard part.
Nothing beats the thrill of getting one with your bow. It might/will take a couple years to make it happen. That makes it sweeter when you do. Good luck.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on November 17, 2018, 09:15:54 PM
Its all part of the fun. Enjoy the process and hard work that goes into it!
:yeah:
Post by: ljsommer on November 17, 2018, 09:41:36 PM
Finding the right arrows? Rocket science and everyone's got a different opinion. Same with broadheads.
Setting up a compound bow? Rocket science and everyone's got a different opinion. Hours upon hours and I still can't get a bullet-hole on paper. Arrow is traveling all over the place. Videos, guides, nothing's working.
The good news is that at this rate I'll be able to take an ethical shot at an animal in about 3-4 years.
Where do you live?
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University Place. I went to Great Northwest Archery a couple times but they didn't look at my bow either time. I thought that paper tuning would be easy. 40 sheets of paper later...
Post by: Tinmaniac on November 17, 2018, 10:07:58 PM
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Post by: luckyman on November 18, 2018, 07:44:59 AM
Most of the time it seems to be grip and follow through that causes bad results. Draw length not set right.
Spine being too far off will have you going in circles to.
Like others have said a good shop or at least shoot with someone who been through the learning process.
3D shoots are a great.
Post by: bracer40 on November 18, 2018, 08:50:56 AM
Call Denton at Rock Creek Archery in Enumclaw. Let him know what you're challenged with and ask for good time to bring it in. This is an ideal time of year to do this sort of work. I drive down from n Seattle for all my bowwork. I've read of guys driving over from the other side of the mountains as well.Finding the right arrows? Rocket science and everyone's got a different opinion. Same with broadheads.
Setting up a compound bow? Rocket science and everyone's got a different opinion. Hours upon hours and I still can't get a bullet-hole on paper. Arrow is traveling all over the place. Videos, guides, nothing's working.
The good news is that at this rate I'll be able to take an ethical shot at an animal in about 3-4 years.
Where do you live?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
University Place. I went to Great Northwest Archery a couple times but they didn't look at my bow either time. I thought that paper tuning would be easy. 40 sheets of paper later...
He does great work and is tenacious in making sure his customers are set up. You could also schedule some basic shooting lessons there as he has a 20 yd indoor range. Recommend an appointment for that (after basic bow setup/tunings complete)
One of the benefits of getting your bow tuned in person is you can learn a lot about arrow flight, how setup changes affect point of impact, etc..as long as one asks the questions.
One of my favorite types of questions to pose when I'm with someone who's more knowledgeable is..."help me understand....or why this or how......"
Good luck!
Post by: ljsommer on November 18, 2018, 06:47:09 PM
Thanks again for the suggestions and I may be reaching out to some of you who have offered help.
Post by: Iamyourhuckleberry on November 18, 2018, 07:28:50 PM
I love your goal approach. By the way, congrats on the new family member. Establishing goals is important in so many ways. The goals led to plans, saving for the plans, and then executing the plan. Do your best to keep things real, keep trying, keep learning, and be patient-no expectations. It is amazing how, all of a sudden, everything seems to come together. little steps start turning into giant leaps and bounds if you stay with it! trust me. seek and you will find...
Post by: theleo on November 19, 2018, 07:22:25 AM
The thing with broadheads and arrows is there's dozens of both that work, just the archery community likes squabbling over which is the better mouse trap. Have the pro shop set you up the first year, then once you've got some real world experience, start modifying your setup.
Post by: ljsommer on November 19, 2018, 09:27:32 AM
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Post by: ljsommer on November 19, 2018, 11:59:36 AM
As far as gear goes, don’t get all caught up in the this is the best, arrow, broadhead, bow, sight, rest, etc. mind set. It all works, some are just more expensive. Some will argue this, and to an extent it may be true, but remember folks kill critters with the cheap stuff too (self included) and shoot a good buck every year with cheap Cabelas arrows.
Yeah at this point I just want to know that my bow is shooting correctly. I practice my form often and I am not looking for perfection. As long as I can shoot 20 yards accurately I feel good about going into the woods. I don't expect a kill for years, but I want to at least start participating and practicing.
I just need one bull before I die. That's all.
Post by: ljsommer on December 08, 2018, 12:24:51 PM
This sport is confusing as hell with a million variables and I need to be able to have someone properly setup my bow so that I can go practice and work on my form. Not adjusting my rest. Not adjusting my sight. I'm going through enough arrows to pay a months mortgage.
Post by: scotsman on December 08, 2018, 01:12:37 PM
Post by: ljsommer on December 08, 2018, 01:15:58 PM
Not being a wise guy here, but have you considered a traditional bow? One string, a bow needing minimal adjustments (nock height, brace height, easy to match arrows, no sights - just hand / eye coordination and muscle memory) Ah, simplicity. If you are serious about keeping your lethal range 20 yards and closer your instincts will get you there very quickly. They work.... people have been feeding their families and discouraging enemies with stickbows roughly 5000 years before compounds were invented. And this is the most natural way to get kids involved too.
I haven't but I may be soon. I am so discouraged with compound bows and bowhunting in general. I've been straight up told not to even bother trying, and that I am looking at a decade before I get a shot at an animal. I got into this sport with the idea of putting my own meat on the table, for moral reasons, but at this point I feel like I might as well just light my money on fire and continue buying farmed me at the store.
Post by: scotsman on December 08, 2018, 01:20:11 PM
Post by: elkboy on December 08, 2018, 01:46:13 PM
Stick with it. Archery is very challenging, but not impossible!
Post by: brew on December 08, 2018, 01:48:54 PM
That's total B.S. if someone is telling you it will be a decade before you get a shot...i'm sitting on my couch laughing out loud wondering why someone would tell you that and why someone would believe it. C'mon man...Talk with the guys at Lucky Shot in Centraiia. Come on out next Saturday and we'll go down there. While you're out here you can shoot my bow.Not being a wise guy here, but have you considered a traditional bow? One string, a bow needing minimal adjustments (nock height, brace height, easy to match arrows, no sights - just hand / eye coordination and muscle memory) Ah, simplicity. If you are serious about keeping your lethal range 20 yards and closer your instincts will get you there very quickly. They work.... people have been feeding their families and discouraging enemies with stickbows roughly 5000 years before compounds were invented. And this is the most natural way to get kids involved too.
I haven't but I may be soon. I am so discouraged with compound bows and bowhunting in general. I've been straight up told not to even bother trying, and that I am looking at a decade before I get a shot at an animal. I got into this sport with the idea of putting my own meat on the table, for moral reasons, but at this point I feel like I might as well just light my money on fire and continue buying farmed me at the store.
Post by: ljsommer on December 08, 2018, 02:01:26 PM
That's total B.S. if someone is telling you it will be a decade before you get a shot...i'm sitting on my couch laughing out loud wondering why someone would tell you that and why someone would believe it. C'mon man...Talk with the guys at Lucky Shot in Centraiia. Come on out next Saturday and we'll go down there. While you're out here you can shoot my bow.Not being a wise guy here, but have you considered a traditional bow? One string, a bow needing minimal adjustments (nock height, brace height, easy to match arrows, no sights - just hand / eye coordination and muscle memory) Ah, simplicity. If you are serious about keeping your lethal range 20 yards and closer your instincts will get you there very quickly. They work.... people have been feeding their families and discouraging enemies with stickbows roughly 5000 years before compounds were invented. And this is the most natural way to get kids involved too.
I haven't but I may be soon. I am so discouraged with compound bows and bowhunting in general. I've been straight up told not to even bother trying, and that I am looking at a decade before I get a shot at an animal. I got into this sport with the idea of putting my own meat on the table, for moral reasons, but at this point I feel like I might as well just light my money on fire and continue buying farmed me at the store.
Why someone would tell me that: I live in Western WA and I am hunting blacktails. I assume it's because 1.) I am new with nobody who knows what they're doing to help me out and 2.) blacktails are ghosts.
As for why I'd believe it: I have no reason not to, rifle season around here is a joke and bowhunting...well, exhibit A.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2018, 09:14:24 AM
Post by: ljsommer on December 09, 2018, 09:19:10 AM
Brew's offer is generous and you should take him up on it. At least acknowledge it. :dunno:
You're right, of course. Apologies, and thank you Brew. I ended up spending my day out shopping for and assembling parts of an archery backstop. I'll post pictures later today. I'd very much love a visit to Centralia if for no other reason than to hear some wise words. I don't know if I can make Saturday work (newborn baby and two other sons, gotta check in with the missus) but I'll reply via IM.
Post by: Bobvernon2 on December 09, 2018, 09:20:22 AM
That's total B.S. if someone is telling you it will be a decade before you get a shot...i'm sitting on my couch laughing out loud wondering why someone would tell you that and why someone would believe it. C'mon man...Talk with the guys at Lucky Shot in Centraiia. Come on out next Saturday and we'll go down there. While you're out here you can shoot my bow.Not being a wise guy here, but have you considered a traditional bow? One string, a bow needing minimal adjustments (nock height, brace height, easy to match arrows, no sights - just hand / eye coordination and muscle memory) Ah, simplicity. If you are serious about keeping your lethal range 20 yards and closer your instincts will get you there very quickly. They work.... people have been feeding their families and discouraging enemies with stickbows roughly 5000 years before compounds were invented. And this is the most natural way to get kids involved too.
I haven't but I may be soon. I am so discouraged with compound bows and bowhunting in general. I've been straight up told not to even bother trying, and that I am looking at a decade before I get a shot at an animal. I got into this sport with the idea of putting my own meat on the table, for moral reasons, but at this point I feel like I might as well just light my money on fire and continue buying farmed me at the store.
Why someone would tell me that: I live in Western WA and I am hunting blacktails. I assume it's because 1.) I am new with nobody who knows what they're doing to help me out and 2.) blacktails are ghosts.
As for why I'd believe it: I have no reason not to, rifle season around here is a joke and bowhunting...well, exhibit A.
BS you can and will get opportunity on a blacktail. Do your scouting either by boot or game cameras at 2 week intervals. I passed on two during early season and rattled in a few during late but wasn't paying full attention. Believe me it will happen. As for the bow it takes time but when it comes together it's freaking gorgeous. Last word of advice I took to heart this year is KILL KILL KILL. it's all about mentality. When your minds in the kill zone 24/7 you will get a shot.
Post by: ljsommer on December 09, 2018, 09:27:05 AM
That's total B.S. if someone is telling you it will be a decade before you get a shot...i'm sitting on my couch laughing out loud wondering why someone would tell you that and why someone would believe it. C'mon man...Talk with the guys at Lucky Shot in Centraiia. Come on out next Saturday and we'll go down there. While you're out here you can shoot my bow.Not being a wise guy here, but have you considered a traditional bow? One string, a bow needing minimal adjustments (nock height, brace height, easy to match arrows, no sights - just hand / eye coordination and muscle memory) Ah, simplicity. If you are serious about keeping your lethal range 20 yards and closer your instincts will get you there very quickly. They work.... people have been feeding their families and discouraging enemies with stickbows roughly 5000 years before compounds were invented. And this is the most natural way to get kids involved too.
I haven't but I may be soon. I am so discouraged with compound bows and bowhunting in general. I've been straight up told not to even bother trying, and that I am looking at a decade before I get a shot at an animal. I got into this sport with the idea of putting my own meat on the table, for moral reasons, but at this point I feel like I might as well just light my money on fire and continue buying farmed me at the store.
Why someone would tell me that: I live in Western WA and I am hunting blacktails. I assume it's because 1.) I am new with nobody who knows what they're doing to help me out and 2.) blacktails are ghosts.
As for why I'd believe it: I have no reason not to, rifle season around here is a joke and bowhunting...well, exhibit A.
BS you can and will get opportunity on a blacktail. Do your scouting either by boot or game cameras at 2 week intervals. I passed on two during early season and rattled in a few during late but wasn't paying full attention. Believe me it will happen. As for the bow it takes time but when it comes together it's freaking gorgeous. Last word of advice I took to heart this year is KILL KILL KILL. it's all about mentality. When your minds in the kill zone 24/7 you will get a shot.
Well that sounds great! I have been led to believe by about half a dozen people and more than one book that in WA for blacktail I am looking at around 7 years time investment. I had game cams full of animals all year round and as soon as hunting season opened they all vanished. Trying to figure out what to do with that information. So many hours of scouting and so many miles wasted.
I think my main problem was I started hoping for success. I need to redefine success and just enjoy my time in the woods and forget about seeing animals. I love being in the woods I just started getting hopeful and that's where I went wrong.
Post by: huntnfmly on December 09, 2018, 09:54:30 AM
Doesn't sound like time or miles wasted.If you already been getting them on camera.That's total B.S. if someone is telling you it will be a decade before you get a shot...i'm sitting on my couch laughing out loud wondering why someone would tell you that and why someone would believe it. C'mon man...Talk with the guys at Lucky Shot in Centraiia. Come on out next Saturday and we'll go down there. While you're out here you can shoot my bow.Not being a wise guy here, but have you considered a traditional bow? One string, a bow needing minimal adjustments (nock height, brace height, easy to match arrows, no sights - just hand / eye coordination and muscle memory) Ah, simplicity. If you are serious about keeping your lethal range 20 yards and closer your instincts will get you there very quickly. They work.... people have been feeding their families and discouraging enemies with stickbows roughly 5000 years before compounds were invented. And this is the most natural way to get kids involved too.
I haven't but I may be soon. I am so discouraged with compound bows and bowhunting in general. I've been straight up told not to even bother trying, and that I am looking at a decade before I get a shot at an animal. I got into this sport with the idea of putting my own meat on the table, for moral reasons, but at this point I feel like I might as well just light my money on fire and continue buying farmed me at the store.
Why someone would tell me that: I live in Western WA and I am hunting blacktails. I assume it's because 1.) I am new with nobody who knows what they're doing to help me out and 2.) blacktails are ghosts.
As for why I'd believe it: I have no reason not to, rifle season around here is a joke and bowhunting...well, exhibit A.
BS you can and will get opportunity on a blacktail. Do your scouting either by boot or game cameras at 2 week intervals. I passed on two during early season and rattled in a few during late but wasn't paying full attention. Believe me it will happen. As for the bow it takes time but when it comes together it's freaking gorgeous. Last word of advice I took to heart this year is KILL KILL KILL. it's all about mentality. When your minds in the kill zone 24/7 you will get a shot.
Well that sounds great! I have been led to believe by about half a dozen people and more than one book that in WA for blacktail I am looking at around 7 years time investment. I had game cams full of animals all year round and as soon as hunting season opened they all vanished. Trying to figure out what to do with that information. So many hours of scouting and so many miles wasted.
I think my main problem was I started hoping for success. I need to redefine success and just enjoy my time in the woods and forget about seeing animals. I love being in the woods I just started getting hopeful and that's where I went wrong.
Hang in there
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2018, 12:47:19 PM
:tup:Brew's offer is generous and you should take him up on it. At least acknowledge it. :dunno:
You're right, of course. Apologies, and thank you Brew. I ended up spending my day out shopping for and assembling parts of an archery backstop. I'll post pictures later today. I'd very much love a visit to Centralia if for no other reason than to hear some wise words. I don't know if I can make Saturday work (newborn baby and two other sons, gotta check in with the missus) but I'll reply via IM.
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