Post by: SmallGameHunter on November 26, 2018, 11:36:30 AM
Post by: Curly on November 26, 2018, 11:51:45 AM
https://www.cityoftacoma.org/government/city_departments/CityAttorney/CityClerk/TMC/
Post by: SmallGameHunter on November 26, 2018, 12:07:14 PM
You might try searching the Tacoma Municipal Code to see if it says anything about archery equipment being used in the city limits.
https://www.cityoftacoma.org/government/city_departments/CityAttorney/CityClerk/TMC/
I am struggling to find anything on there. I went threw "weapons" knives/guns/air guns/slingshots, nothing at all about bows. Can't seem to find anything about hunting either
Post by: Bob33 on November 26, 2018, 12:13:58 PM
If you can't find anything in the municipal code that restricts the use of certain weapons, hunting should be legal. Odd that you could use a firearm but not a slingshot.
Post by: SmallGameHunter on November 26, 2018, 12:22:44 PM
If you can't find anything in the municipal code that restricts the use of certain weapons, hunting should be legal. Odd that you could use a firearm but not a slingshot.
You cannot discharge a firearm within the city. They did cover just about ever weapon except a bow, so I may be good. Now I just have to brush up on my WA bow laws. Like a distance from roads or residences and also maybe Pierce county laws as well.
Post by: Bob33 on November 26, 2018, 12:36:53 PM
WDFW does not have any distance laws pertaining to roads and residences; a county may. It is not legal to "discharge a bow from a vehicle or from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway."If you can't find anything in the municipal code that restricts the use of certain weapons, hunting should be legal. Odd that you could use a firearm but not a slingshot.
You cannot discharge a firearm within the city. They did cover just about ever weapon except a bow, so I may be good. Now I just have to brush up on my WA bow laws. Like a distance from roads or residences and also maybe Pierce county laws as well.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-414-070
Post by: Fl0und3rz on November 26, 2018, 12:39:52 PM
http://cms.cityoftacoma.org/cityclerk/Files/MunicipalCode/Title08-PublicSafety.PDF
Also be aware of County Code restrictions, as well as game limitations by WDFW.
Hunting and pest control within a populated area is a nightmare patchwork of ordinances and restrictions.
Post by: ljsommer on November 26, 2018, 12:50:25 PM
Cities should not regulate hunting; only WDFW (should) has the authority to do that. Cities can restrict activities that impact public safety such as discharge of a firearm.
If you can't find anything in the municipal code that restricts the use of certain weapons, hunting should be legal. Odd that you could use a firearm but not a slingshot.
As to the legality of this ordinance I cannot comment, but cities do definitely issue ordinances to this effect.
http://ccr.cityofup.com/Lists/Ordinances/DispForm.aspx?ID=930
Post by: Tinmaniac on November 26, 2018, 12:53:49 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 26, 2018, 01:00:14 PM
Yes some do, and WDFW would dispute that they have the authority to regulate hunting. Can cities change bag limits, hunt hours, make all deer legal, etc? What a mess that would create.Cities should not regulate hunting; only WDFW (should) has the authority to do that. Cities can restrict activities that impact public safety such as discharge of a firearm.
If you can't find anything in the municipal code that restricts the use of certain weapons, hunting should be legal. Odd that you could use a firearm but not a slingshot.
As to the legality of this ordinance I cannot comment, but cities do definitely issue ordinances to this effect.
http://ccr.cityofup.com/Lists/Ordinances/DispForm.aspx?ID=930
Post by: ljsommer on November 26, 2018, 01:11:10 PM
Define everywhere.In your yard?I have had a target in my yard for 25 years and have never had an issue with it.I am mindful of when I shoot.I don't make a public display of my bow or draw unwanted attention to myself.I don't think there are any places in the city where you could walk around with your bow and hunt.
The key word here is "limits". "City" implies heavy development. I am within the city limits of University place but I am surrounded by forest. I have a good size family of deer, raccoons, multiple coyotes that all live behind my house. I also happen to be directly across the street from town hall, the police and fire departments. Weird little setup, but there ya go.
Post by: Tinmaniac on November 26, 2018, 01:24:10 PM
Post by: SmallGameHunter on November 26, 2018, 02:04:49 PM
Define everywhere.In your yard?I have had a target in my yard for 25 years and have never had an issue with it.I am mindful of when I shoot.I don't make a public display of my bow or draw unwanted attention to myself.I don't think there are any places in the city where you could walk around with your bow and hunt.
Northend neighborhoods. I live in an apartment so no rabbits here. I looked through the "public safety" portion of Tacoma code. Nowhere is a bow mentioned, nor is hunting so legally I am in the clear as far as I can tell. Realistically I doubt anyone, especially the police who will inevitably come, will know that or will listen to me explain that.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on November 26, 2018, 02:33:21 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on November 26, 2018, 02:43:11 PM
Post by: SmallGameHunter on November 26, 2018, 02:46:11 PM
The key word here is "limits". "City" implies heavy development. I am within the city limits of University place but I am surrounded by forest. I have a good size family of deer, raccoons, multiple coyotes that all live behind my house. I also happen to be directly across the street from town hall, the police and fire departments. Weird little setup, but there ya go.
Ha, I'm doing the wood framing on that new apartment building just across the street.
Post by: Bob33 on November 26, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
About the time a screaming rabbit, with an arrow in it's arse, drags himself onto a local hiking trail or road, in plain view of the local people population, .... you'll probably find out if the laws lean your way or not :chuckle: I'm not sure about shooting critters within city limits, good question though and I hope your research ends up saying its legal. Good luck.That would be my primary concern. I live in King County and have had monster blacktails in my backyard I can legally shoot with archery gear. I've been tempted but the thought of one dying in front of the school bus has deterred me...so far.
Post by: ljsommer on November 26, 2018, 03:13:36 PM
Post by: Bob33 on November 26, 2018, 03:14:30 PM
Any reason that you wouldn't want to use an air-rifle? There are some really well made and high powered air rifles that are quiet enough to shoot without disturbing anyone. I shoot mine at targets at my house all the time, quieter than a hammer strike.Tacoma explicitly bans their use.
Post by: ljsommer on November 26, 2018, 03:23:14 PM
Any reason that you wouldn't want to use an air-rifle? There are some really well made and high powered air rifles that are quiet enough to shoot without disturbing anyone. I shoot mine at targets at my house all the time, quieter than a hammer strike.Tacoma explicitly bans their use.
I'd check for amended ordinances. UP initially didn't make an allowance for target practice with bows and air-guns, and the local PD encouraged them to reconsider how restrictive their original wording was. Here's the amended ordinance:
http://ccr.cityofup.com/Lists/Ordinances/DispForm.aspx?ID=1064
"Section 1 of this ordinance does not apply to:
(other stuff)
Any person engaged in the use of an airgun or bow and arrow while target practicing, providing that the target is stationary and is in front of a safe backstop. The person firing the weapon must be positioned close enough to the target and backstop to be considered safe and to ensure that no projectiles miss or go beyond the backstop. "
Post by: huntingfool7 on November 26, 2018, 05:04:18 PM
Northend neighborhoods. I live in an apartment so no rabbits here. I looked through the "public safety" portion of Tacoma code. Nowhere is a bow mentioned, nor is hunting so legally I am in the clear as far as I can tell. Realistically I doubt anyone, especially the police who will inevitably come, will know that or will listen to me explain that.
Living in an apartment, I doubt that you have access to land to hunt on. Everything around here is owned by somebody. Just because it looks like a field or a patch of trees doesn't mean that you can hunt it. Goes double for Municipality properties.
This is a real sign in the city of Tacoma.
Post by: Bob33 on November 26, 2018, 05:41:13 PM
Any reason that you wouldn't want to use an air-rifle? There are some really well made and high powered air rifles that are quiet enough to shoot without disturbing anyone. I shoot mine at targets at my house all the time, quieter than a hammer strike.Tacoma explicitly bans their use.
I'd check for amended ordinances. UP initially didn't make an allowance for target practice with bows and air-guns, and the local PD encouraged them to reconsider how restrictive their original wording was. Here's the amended ordinance:
http://ccr.cityofup.com/Lists/Ordinances/DispForm.aspx?ID=1064
"Section 1 of this ordinance does not apply to:
(other stuff)
Any person engaged in the use of an airgun or bow and arrow while target practicing, providing that the target is stationary and is in front of a safe backstop. The person firing the weapon must be positioned close enough to the target and backstop to be considered safe and to ensure that no projectiles miss or go beyond the backstop. "
Post by: grade-creek-rd on November 27, 2018, 02:05:51 PM
Grade
Post by: SmallGameHunter on November 27, 2018, 03:31:26 PM
Tacoma PD considers bows to be "dangerous weapons" so they may not be used anywhere in public.
The rabbit population will continue to grow, unmolested, unchallenged, unopposed until they ravish the landscape and destroy their own environment, enventually depleting their own food source and turning to domestic animals and other small rodents and birds. When that food source dries up... They'll be coming for you and I. By then, it will be too late for me to say "... I told you so."
Post by: Bob33 on November 27, 2018, 03:35:26 PM
What I have learned from speaking with a woman form the WDFW is::yike:
Tacoma PD considers bows to be "dangerous weapons" so they may not be used anywhere in public.
The rabbit population will continue to grow, unmolested, unchallenged, unopposed until they ravish the landscape and destroy their own environment, enventually depleting their own food source and turning to domestic animals and other small rodents and birds. When that food source dries up... They'll be coming for you and I. By then, it will be too late for me to say "... I told you so."
Post by: Bofire on November 27, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
Carl
Post by: Fl0und3rz on November 27, 2018, 04:52:41 PM
What I have learned from speaking with a woman form the WDFW is:
Tacoma PD considers bows to be "dangerous weapons" so they may not be used anywhere in public.
The rabbit population will continue to grow, unmolested, unchallenged, unopposed until they ravish the landscape and destroy their own environment, enventually depleting their own food source and turning to domestic animals and other small rodents and birds. When that food source dries up... They'll be coming for you and I. By then, it will be too late for me to say "... I told you so."
Run away!
Post by: AWS on November 27, 2018, 05:10:49 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on November 27, 2018, 06:33:08 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on November 27, 2018, 07:56:31 PM
What I have learned from speaking with a woman form the WDFW is:
Tacoma PD considers bows to be "dangerous weapons" so they may not be used anywhere in public.
The rabbit population will continue to grow, unmolested, unchallenged, unopposed until they ravish the landscape and destroy their own environment, enventually depleting their own food source and turning to domestic animals and other small rodents and birds. When that food source dries up... They'll be coming for you and I. By then, it will be too late for me to say "... I told you so."
Awesome post. All is lost :chuckle: