Post by: jdmecomber on December 04, 2018, 02:22:46 PM
Post by: full choke on December 04, 2018, 02:26:21 PM
Where are they all coming from!! East coast
Social Media.
Post by: cb1989 on December 04, 2018, 02:29:56 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 04, 2018, 02:32:47 PM
Post by: Reidus on December 04, 2018, 02:35:52 PM
Where are they all coming from!! East coast
Social Media.
Thanks to all the social media podcasts shows etc "This is a public land diy hunt. Just buy your tag and head out west"
And with the good economy, more people can afford it.
And the application and draw process has never been easier with all the services out there and info available at your fingertips.
Post by: X-Force on December 04, 2018, 02:46:42 PM
And with the good economy, more people can afford it.
:yeah:
Post by: dvolmer on December 04, 2018, 02:57:34 PM
With that said, it isn't a slam dunk to go hunt these other western states. Yes, the hunting is better and more animals and less people, but a good hunt needs decent access and it is still a issue that can be hard to get past. Lots of off-season research and PR is needed to have a good hunt.
Post by: huntnphool on December 04, 2018, 03:26:37 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 04, 2018, 04:07:11 PM
Post by: Reidus on December 04, 2018, 05:02:53 PM
I saw about 20 rigs from Wisconsin during archery season :dunno:
I think a lot of the midwest hunters are finding their way out west. There's gazillions of em.
Post by: jjhunter on December 04, 2018, 05:14:11 PM
And with the good economy, more people can afford it.
:yeah:
:yeah:
Post by: jdmecomber on December 04, 2018, 06:48:32 PM
I hope this is not the case, but this man has no reason to lie about it.
Post by: bobcat on December 04, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
Post by: Reidus on December 04, 2018, 07:23:53 PM
Randy Newberg's fault.
:yeah:
don't forget the bros
Post by: elkchaser54 on December 04, 2018, 07:36:58 PM
Post by: go4steelhd on December 04, 2018, 07:40:36 PM
Are you saying there are 30% more hunters hunting Wyoming?
Or are you say a 30% cost increase on 2019 tags?
Post by: jdmecomber on December 04, 2018, 07:52:18 PM
Wait i’m Confused.
Are you saying there are 30% more hunters hunting Wyoming?
Or are you say a 30% cost increase on 2019 tags?
30% increase in non resident hunters for Wyoming Elk in 2018
Post by: idaho guy on December 04, 2018, 08:00:59 PM
Post by: dewandgin on December 04, 2018, 08:04:57 PM
Post by: Antlershed on December 04, 2018, 08:58:59 PM
Post by: X-Force on December 04, 2018, 09:07:07 PM
With the increased fees, I bet a lot of guys cashed in this year and won’t be back. :twocents:
If the economy continues to do well people will keep coming back.
Idaho fish and game wasn’t sellingout tags after 2008 and they increased fees... now they are selling out again.
Post by: actionshooter on December 04, 2018, 09:27:05 PM
I agree, the money is there and people are spending it.With the increased fees, I bet a lot of guys cashed in this year and won’t be back. :twocents:
If the economy continues to do well people will keep coming back.
Idaho fish and game wasn’t sellingout tags after 2008 and they increased fees... now they are selling out again.
Post by: huntnphool on December 04, 2018, 11:28:08 PM
And with the good economy, more people can afford it.Where are they all coming from!! East coast
Social Media.
Thank you B.Hussein
Post by: Timberstalker on December 05, 2018, 05:19:43 AM
Post by: elkoholic on December 05, 2018, 06:36:59 AM
Randy Newberg's fault.
I said F-ing Randy Newberg last year when I rounded the corner to find 10 rigs parked at a trailhead that I have only ever seen 1 or 2 rigs parked. They had a fire in there 2 years prior. FYI- I still like Randy but that was literally the first words out of my mouth....
Post by: trophyhunt on December 05, 2018, 06:39:32 AM
Post by: jdmecomber on December 05, 2018, 09:39:40 AM
Even 5 years ago in Wyoming you could get a General Elk tag every other year, point creeping every year now. I bet it will be 3+ points just to get a general tag for 2019.
Post by: boneaddict on December 05, 2018, 09:43:10 AM
Post by: dvolmer on December 05, 2018, 10:23:12 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 05, 2018, 10:30:57 AM
I'm sure the small towns may hate the outsiders but they wont complain when they pay them for their goods and services .Actually, most Wyoming small towns hang out the welcome banner - literally! - for hunters. Many of the camp grounds and hotels/motels set up prominently displayed meat poles for their guests.
Post by: 2MANY on December 05, 2018, 10:42:12 AM
Post by: Antlershed on December 05, 2018, 10:49:33 AM
Post by: 2MANY on December 05, 2018, 10:56:33 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on December 05, 2018, 10:57:35 AM
Post by: cb1989 on December 05, 2018, 11:13:55 AM
Facts and data are fun... :rolleyes:
Everyone's entitled to their own facts...
Post by: Curly on December 05, 2018, 11:18:39 AM
Facts and data are fun... :rolleyes:
Are those numbers only non resident? Or is that combined res and non res?
Post by: Antlershed on December 05, 2018, 11:35:40 AM
That is non-res only, straight from the Wyoming Game and Fish website.Facts and data are fun... :rolleyes:
Are those numbers only non resident? Or is that combined res and non res?
Post by: Curly on December 05, 2018, 11:37:41 AM
:tup:That is non-res only, straight from the Wyoming Game and Fish website.Facts and data are fun... :rolleyes:
Are those numbers only non resident? Or is that combined res and non res?
Edit: I thought this was in the Elk hunting forum for some reason, so those are Elk numbers only.
8)
Post by: Antlershed on December 05, 2018, 11:39:06 AM
You caught my edit before I re-edited it. It is in the elk hunting forum. :chuckle::tup:That is non-res only, straight from the Wyoming Game and Fish website.Facts and data are fun... :rolleyes:
Are those numbers only non resident? Or is that combined res and non res?
Edit: I thought this was in the Elk hunting forum for some reason, so those are Elk numbers only.
8)
Post by: Ellensburg on December 05, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
New hunters keep the sport alive.
If hunters keep decreasing in #'s.... the outcome is much worse than harder to draw tags.
Post by: dvolmer on December 05, 2018, 12:02:53 PM
Post by: dvolmer on December 05, 2018, 12:08:38 PM
Facts and data are fun... :rolleyes:
Facts it may be, but in Region K where I hunt deer and region 99 where I hunt antelope , in the last few years it has taken a huge increase in the number of points it takes to draw the license. You have to buy the Special (expensive) tag and you still have to wait a year when you used to buy the cheaper tag and hunt every year. Antelope has went from a two year wait to a 6 year wait. When I started putting in for Region 2 elk licenses 8 years ago it took 7 points to insure you got the tag. Now it takes approximately 12 points to draw the tag and I am now sitting on 8 points and wondering if I will ever catch up. So don't tell me its all of the same!
Your data is extremely flawed because it doesn't take into account all of the people buying points in Wyoming and not actually applying for a license that they know they wont get until they get more points. All those buying points are just like people putting in and not being successful so your data is extremely flawed and skewed. I have 8 elk points now but have never applied for an elk license yet. This is because I know that with 8 points I wont be successful. So I will keep watching the draw results and keep buying the points until I know I am in the hunt for the tag. This is no different than applying each year and knowing I don't have a chance in heck of getting drawn. Your data is missing a very huge variable.
One of the problems is that a lot of hunters here in Washington don't understand the way that Wyoming gives their tags out. There is a huge difference between a preference point system (Wyoming) and a squared bonus point system (Washington). He who has the most points gets the license in Wyoming. He who has the most points in Washington has a better chance to get drawn but absolutely isn't guaranteed. In Washington the guy with one point has a chance. In Wyoming the same hunter has no chance. Yes, Wyoming gives out a small number of licenses in a random draw but a lot of the sought after tags don't have enough to even have a random draw.
Post by: sjhgraysage on December 05, 2018, 04:15:59 PM
Ones ability to get a non-resident tag or a tag in their own state should not be based on the amount of money one has in their wallet.
One should not be able to go to the head of the line for a tag because they have more money than some one else.
Post by: jdmecomber on December 05, 2018, 09:24:40 PM
Post by: jdmecomber on December 05, 2018, 09:27:29 PM
Swear I am not Russian
Post by: dvolmer on December 05, 2018, 09:37:51 PM
dvolmer,
Ones ability to get a non-resident tag or a tag in their own state should not be based on the amount of money one has in their wallet.
One should not be able to go to the head of the line for a tag because they have more money than some one else.
I totally agree!!! I don’t think anyone should be able to buy there way in. That’s why I totally disagree with Governors tags. But if you are in the business to sell widgets, you are going to try to sell them for whatever price you can get. This is what these states are doing. They are not in the business to make non-residents happy with cheap prices and great deals. There stake holders (resident hunters, tax payers, and local in state businesses) want all the bang for the buck that they can get. This keeps there resident licenses super cheap and non-resident hunters flipping the bill for there fish and wildlife management and supplying tons of local businesses revenue. Market pressure controls the price. Who is going to spend all the excess money on motels, meals, and other things while hunting out of state? The rich guy or the guy that can barely scrape up the bucks for the tag and gas who plans on eating sandwiches every day and sleeping in a tent??? There are a lot of people here in Washington that have given up and quit hunting because of the cost of resident hunting licenses here. With all that said, it is sad to say that the extended hunting outlook in the 30 year future is bleak for the average guy and gal. Tags will continue to climb but access to quality hunting will become the bigger issue. The fact of the matter that these states that go out of there way to recruit out of state hunters are in it for the money. It’s big big business in states that struggle with small populations and hardly any tax revenue. Do I like it? NO! But it’s the world we are living in and I’m getting to the age that I’m in still pretty good shape but I can see a light at the end of the tunnel. To me it’s just trying to hunt as much as possible with the years I’ve got left. But the long outlook in the future for hunters is not very good for many many reasons. Here in this liberal state hunting would have already been outlawed if it wasn’t for the large revenue it produces for our state that their greed overcomes their principles. I’m hoping for the best but it looks like a scary future. I’ve hunted for over 40 years in Washington and the changes of the last 10-15 years are scary.
Post by: sjhgraysage on December 06, 2018, 08:56:40 AM
This is the statement that had me concerned:
"I wish they would go up until they were just high enough to insure that all applicants get a tag. I'm 53 years old and would gladly pay more to make sure I drew every year. "
The only way to have only enough applicants for all the available tags with your scenario is to price a bunch of people out of the game.
There just isn't enough resource for everyone to get a license/tag every year, and with our current mule deer trends it will likely be worse.
Perhaps I just misunderstood your statement.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 06, 2018, 09:00:58 AM
Post by: jdmecomber on December 06, 2018, 03:14:02 PM
Post by: Antlershed on December 06, 2018, 04:28:31 PM
Post by: idaho guy on December 06, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
Post by: jdmecomber on December 06, 2018, 09:01:17 PM
Then it’s just a shift between units, but since you asked...
There it is!!!!!
Looks like a big increase is very possible in a unit.
Thanks for the data
Post by: dvolmer on December 07, 2018, 02:46:06 PM
Post by: dvolmer on December 07, 2018, 03:09:51 PM
d,
This is the statement that had me concerned:
"I wish they would go up until they were just high enough to insure that all applicants get a tag. I'm 53 years old and would gladly pay more to make sure I drew every year. "
The only way to have only enough applicants for all the available tags with your scenario is to price a bunch of people out of the game.
There just isn't enough resource for everyone to get a license/tag every year, and with our current mule deer trends it will likely be worse.
Perhaps I just misunderstood your statement.
I understand your concern. I'm just simply stating, that if I had a choice of paying $350 for a Wyoming deer tag and my odds were to get one every third year, I would gladly pay $500 for a Wyoming deer tag if it would mean that I could go every year. Lets just say that at age 53 I have 15 more years of hunting (physically speaking) I would rather go 15 times instead of 5. I am a single income family with 7 children. My last child is a senior in high school this year. From youth until I roughly turned 40 or so I only hunted in Washington and pretty much was a weekend warrior. I couldn't afford much more without impacting my family and any extended time away would get me the wrath of my better half. At about 43 years old I started to hunt Montana. At about 48 I started to hunt Wyoming. I have never paid for a guided hunt or trespass fees. In some ways I feel like I have put my time in and now that I am older I have a little bit more resources I can spend without affecting my families life style. I truly am at the age where I can still keep up but I can also feel the creekiness in the bones after a hard days hunt and a sore back to go with it. I don't know the answer. Maybe Im selfish in my thoughts. It does scare me that hunting in the future has a very poor outlook for the common man. We don't need to get into that here. We could have 10,000 posts on that and talk forever but anyone that has hunted for 10-50 years in the past can see where that is all going.
But if you were a state that offered 17,000 out of state tags at lets just say $500 each and you had 25,000 people applying, any business minded politician would try to come up with a model where 18,000 people are putting in for the 17,000 tags instead of 25,000 and you could sell them for $750 each. Remember, we are talking out of state non-residents here. Your constituents (voting public) will love you for it because it brings in all this extra revenue that they dont have to pay and have tax increases. Their licenses can even go down (you would be amazed at how cheap Wyoming and Montana resident licenses are compared to us here in Washington). Its a win win for the state, politicians, the in-state hunters, and the states general public & businesses. Remember, they could care less about you as long as you pay the license fee and bring your out of state money with you when you come! As non-residents we are at their mercy you might say for better words. I guess the real answer is to move to Wyoming or Montana but I know that isnt close to realistic for most of us here.
Post by: Antlershed on December 07, 2018, 04:40:23 PM
The problem is you openly supported that type of thinking in your earlier post. As guys get priced out, they quit hunting. When they quit hunting, I bet a lot of them stop supporting hunting. Even if one of them stops supporting hunting, that’s a problem. :twocents:d,
This is the statement that had me concerned:
"I wish they would go up until they were just high enough to insure that all applicants get a tag. I'm 53 years old and would gladly pay more to make sure I drew every year. "
The only way to have only enough applicants for all the available tags with your scenario is to price a bunch of people out of the game.
There just isn't enough resource for everyone to get a license/tag every year, and with our current mule deer trends it will likely be worse.
Perhaps I just misunderstood your statement.
I understand your concern. I'm just simply stating, that if I had a choice of paying $350 for a Wyoming deer tag and my odds were to get one every third year, I would gladly pay $500 for a Wyoming deer tag if it would mean that I could go every year. Lets just say that at age 53 I have 15 more years of hunting (physically speaking) I would rather go 15 times instead of 5. I am a single income family with 7 children. My last child is a senior in high school this year. From youth until I roughly turned 40 or so I only hunted in Washington and pretty much was a weekend warrior. I couldn't afford much more without impacting my family and any extended time away would get me the wrath of my better half. At about 43 years old I started to hunt Montana. At about 48 I started to hunt Wyoming. I have never paid for a guided hunt or trespass fees. In some ways I feel like I have put my time in and now that I am older I have a little bit more resources I can spend without affecting my families life style. I truly am at the age where I can still keep up but I can also feel the creekiness in the bones after a hard days hunt and a sore back to go with it. I don't know the answer. Maybe Im selfish in my thoughts. It does scare me that hunting in the future has a very poor outlook for the common man. We don't need to get into that here. We could have 10,000 posts on that and talk forever but anyone that has hunted for 10-50 years in the past can see where that is all going.
But if you were a state that offered 17,000 out of state tags at lets just say $500 each and you had 25,000 people applying, any business minded politician would try to come up with a model where 18,000 people are putting in for the 17,000 tags instead of 25,000 and you could sell them for $750 each. Remember, we are talking out of state non-residents here. Your constituents (voting public) will love you for it because it brings in all this extra revenue that they dont have to pay and have tax increases. Their licenses can even go down (you would be amazed at how cheap Wyoming and Montana resident licenses are compared to us here in Washington). Its a win win for the state, politicians, the in-state hunters, and the states general public & businesses. Remember, they could care less about you as long as you pay the license fee and bring your out of state money with you when you come! As non-residents we are at their mercy you might say for better words. I guess the real answer is to move to Wyoming or Montana but I know that isnt close to realistic for most of us here.
Post by: Antlershed on December 07, 2018, 04:50:54 PM
Post by: jdmecomber on December 07, 2018, 04:57:18 PM
And I realize that the original data does not include the guys that are sitting on the sideline waiting until they have enough points. That wasn’t the original question though. It was whether or not there are 30% more people applying for tags.
Thanks for all the data Brent, it helped clear up a lot of things.
I have been building points for all species in Wyoming. Fun stuff