Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 10:45:22 AM
And that's just Washington areas I hunt with no cell service, it's going to take me weeks just to do that. Then add in multiple states where I'm putting in draws, I'm looking at months!
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 07, 2019, 11:39:14 AM
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 11:41:03 AM
Post by: Stein on January 07, 2019, 11:44:18 AM
It isn't a deal breaker, but not all that handy.
Post by: hunter399 on January 07, 2019, 11:52:35 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 07, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 07, 2019, 11:55:29 AM
As for the squares for downloading, dont over think it. They can over lap a bit. Get em close and go :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 11:58:04 AM
I'm on a download fest now, that's why I'm here on HW griping about it now :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 07, 2019, 11:59:16 AM
And if Karl can figure it out I think most people can. :chuckle:
Post by: Stein on January 07, 2019, 11:59:45 AM
Seems that there should be a way to outline what you want and download it automatically and with all the layers on - it really sucks when you finish and then realize you left a layer off.
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 12:01:00 PM
I want the grids back! It was so nice to just click grids and download, why did onx change that?
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 12:01:56 PM
My issue is that I can only download one tile at a time and it does take a relatively long time compared with other similar sized files. If you want high res for a large area, you have to download one, come back 5 minutes later, download another, wait, download, wait..... until you have all the tiles you want. Sometimes if you do something else with your phone you get an error on the tile downloading and have to start over again.
Seems that there should be a way to outline what you want and download it automatically.
YES! It used to be that way, thus my gripe!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 07, 2019, 12:04:24 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 12:06:57 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 12:10:39 PM
anyone tried that? onx is getting some competition, they better listen to users and stay ahead of the game, and by doing that they need a better interface for downloading off grid.
Also they need to look into off grid communication, no one wants to carry an inreach or SPOT around if they didn't have too.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 07, 2019, 12:11:24 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 12:16:54 PM
Post by: Antlershed on January 07, 2019, 12:17:29 PM
Post by: mburrows on January 07, 2019, 12:29:19 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 07, 2019, 12:30:21 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
I guess my high speed isn't, and that does contribute to my angst. No fault of onx, but if I could just let it go all night......
after this map I'll run a speed test....
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 07, 2019, 12:45:57 PM
Post by: grundy53 on January 07, 2019, 12:46:14 PM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 07, 2019, 12:53:49 PM
Maybe OnX should just put a "ding" when its finished downloading a map :chuckle:A dingy would be awesome actually :chuckle:
I guess my high speed isn't, and that does contribute to my angst. No fault of onx, but if I could just let it go all night......
after this map I'll run a speed test....
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 12:54:13 PM
My only complaint with ONX is with my tracks. For some reason it only does straight lines. So if I walk from point A to point B it doesn't matter how windy or cut back the path I take is when I check my tracks it's always a straight line from point A to point B. Other than that I love it. Very useful app.
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that is something with your cell phone, I had to mess with mine as I was pinging all over the place, I'd walk a mile but the app had me walking 10 it was pinging so much.
I turned off cell tower pinging and set it to lower GPS if that makes any since. High accuracy did NOT work for me, I had to put it to phone only and turn off everything but the phone GPS
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Post by: Stein on January 07, 2019, 01:00:11 PM
I tested my internet with three services, 68 MB/s, 69 and 80.
The map was 207.2 MB and it took 7:44 to download (vs 3 seconds based on download test). I realize it has to assemble, store, whatever, but the actual download part was what took the longest.
I have 14 squares stored for my last hunt, which means it took over two hours to download including constantly having to check back 14 times to set the next download and probably had to repeat 3 or 4 that had an error.
I'm not trading it for anything, it just reminds me of when you had to take a floppy out, put another one in and repeat. I wish you could just select a GMU and download the entire thing.
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 07, 2019, 01:01:35 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 01:03:16 PM
Here are my stats, I grabbed a random spot on the map to download.
I tested my internet with three services, 68 MB/s, 69 and 80.
The map was 207.2 MB and it took 7:44 to download (vs 3 seconds based on download test). I realize it has to assemble, store, whatever, but the actual download part was what took the longest.
I have 14 squares stored for my last hunt, which means it took over two hours to download including constantly having to check back 14 times to set the next download and probably had to repeat 3 or 4 that had an error.
I'm not trading it for anything, it just reminds me of when you had to take a floppy out, put another one in and repeat. I wish you could just select a GMU and download the entire thing.
I added my speed tests above, averaging around 8mb/s
I'm seeing similar download times as you. galaxy S9+ with high performance settings on.
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 01:07:35 PM
It encourages people just download the minimum of squares for an area instead of downloading everything around it for good measure.
Post by: Antlershed on January 07, 2019, 01:15:16 PM
Like i said, I have zero issues with the download process. It takes a minute or two tops per map. I jam them out while i get dinner ready or while I'm reloading. Just seems like really minimal effort for an extremely useful and important tool:yeah: Would be cool if you could do one massive download, but not a deal breaker.
Post by: slavenoid on January 07, 2019, 01:41:06 PM
My only complaint with ONX is with my tracks. For some reason it only does straight lines. So if I walk from point A to point B it doesn't matter how windy or cut back the path I take is when I check my tracks it's always a straight line from point A to point B. Other than that I love it. Very useful app.
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Mine does that if I put my phone on power saver mode. I'm certain it's something on the phone and not the app.
Post by: onX Hunt on January 07, 2019, 01:50:47 PM
As always, our customer support team is available from 8am to 5pm Mountain Time at 406-540-1600 if you need some help getting those offline maps downloading efficiently. A number of factors go into the download speed including as others have mentioned your internet speed and how many layers you have activated at the time of download.
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 01:56:21 PM
We appreciate all of the feedback. We are constantly looking to improve our app so again, we have heard the issues you have had and are working on options to make downloading offline maps a breeze.
As always, our customer support team is available from 8am to 5pm Mountain Time at 406-540-1600 if you need some help getting those offline maps downloading efficiently. A number of factors go into the download speed including as others have mentioned your internet speed and how many layers you have activated at the time of download.
Thanks onx :tup:
Post by: grundy53 on January 07, 2019, 02:03:12 PM
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Post by: grundy53 on January 07, 2019, 02:04:01 PM
Mine is usually in power saver mode. Thanks for the tip!My only complaint with ONX is with my tracks. For some reason it only does straight lines. So if I walk from point A to point B it doesn't matter how windy or cut back the path I take is when I check my tracks it's always a straight line from point A to point B. Other than that I love it. Very useful app.
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Mine does that if I put my phone on power saver mode. I'm certain it's something on the phone and not the app.
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Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 02:11:06 PM
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Notice the trap marker lol
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 02:19:18 PM
I often take pictures and organize the pics with waypoint labels, in my picture gallery on the phone I have pics that corresponds with a particular waypoint.
Wouldn't it be super cool if we could click a way point and see a pic pop up and wouldn't it be even super cooler if we could share a waypoint with tagged pic right from the app?
I like to share waypoints and text a picture with it, but the pic wont ever show up later in the onx app unless the person I texted saved the pic into their gallary and changed the label of the waypoint to the label on the picture like I have done...but who's going to do that? No one. If the pic would save in onx I could text the waypoint and pic and it would pop up for them too how awesome!
Example from an old text I sent:
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The guy I was texting wants a TRD PRO really bad :)
Post by: SuperX on January 07, 2019, 03:25:43 PM
I think the owner information is great, but the overlay for WA has lots of errors on it, especially where road right of way's are involved. It also has places where there is no owner information if it is not private - e.g. is it DNR, State, or BLM? which can matter.
As designed, you only get overlay owner information where you DL content, so driving outside your already downloaded area and just wonder who owns that place, you have to have a cell signal and use cell data to download it.
In general, OnX is great around the city with lots of high speed data available, but away from there (like in bumping unit this fall) it is not a good GPS replacement. If you have a data plan that isn't being used to its limit already, you'll love the bigger screen.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 07, 2019, 04:07:43 PM
Post by: 2MANY on January 07, 2019, 04:09:22 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on January 07, 2019, 04:14:10 PM
Post by: Stein on January 07, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
You can always download low res for a huge area outside of where you plan on hunting in case you need to move before you get back to cell service. I do agree that a very low quality map with just roads and towns for the entire state would be a bonus just in case, but I always have an atlas in the truck for emergency use.
It's a tradeoff, you don't want an app that takes 80% of your phone storage, but shouldn't be too hard to download stuff, organize it and delete as necessary, just needs a rework and update. Easy for met to say of course, I have no idea what is involved in programming.
Post by: KFhunter on January 07, 2019, 04:29:39 PM
You cant blame the app for your lack of preparedness :twocents: not a ton of service up chinook pass so probably would have been a good idea to download a few maps before you headed to no service land. I used it in 5 states this year.with zero issues. A few of those I did a heck of a lot of roaming outside of my intended hunt area. When in doubt download it. Theres an option for a 100 mile square so if you even think you may sniff the edge of it then take the two minutes and download it. The app works exactly as intended and is a fantastic replacement to a traditional GPS if you take the time to learn it and use it properly. :twocents:
:yeah:
typically I download the 100 mile squares first to cover an entire hunt wither it's a unit in another state, or a GMU here in WA, I make sure the whole thing has at least the 100 mile square, even in areas with good cell reception cause you never know, the cell could go down.
Then I start homing in on the core area I want to hunt and do all high res there plus a good margin around my core area all in high res, then on the fringes of that expected hunt I down load the medium res squares.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 07, 2019, 05:00:37 PM
Post by: SuperX on January 07, 2019, 05:32:17 PM
You cant blame the app for your lack of preparedness :twocents: not a ton of service up chinook pass so probably would have been a good idea to download a few maps before you headed to no service land. I used it in 5 states this year.with zero issues. A few of those I did a heck of a lot of roaming outside of my intended hunt area. When in doubt download it. Theres an option for a 100 mile square so if you even think you may sniff the edge of it then take the two minutes and download it. The app works exactly as intended and is a fantastic replacement to a traditional GPS if you take the time to learn it and use it properly. :twocents:
I do have maps downloaded, do use the broader map function, but I don't have a map of the state all the time. If the state roads map and private/public overlays were available with a subscription, it would help a lot. I have a 2GB/mo data plan and have poor service at my rural home so it's never been necessary to spend the money for unlimited data. That would cost me a significant monthly increase for a hunting app that I use 2 months a year.
Post by: Bob33 on January 07, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
wifi at a public library?You cant blame the app for your lack of preparedness :twocents: not a ton of service up chinook pass so probably would have been a good idea to download a few maps before you headed to no service land. I used it in 5 states this year.with zero issues. A few of those I did a heck of a lot of roaming outside of my intended hunt area. When in doubt download it. Theres an option for a 100 mile square so if you even think you may sniff the edge of it then take the two minutes and download it. The app works exactly as intended and is a fantastic replacement to a traditional GPS if you take the time to learn it and use it properly. :twocents:
I do have maps downloaded, do use the broader map function, but I don't have a map of the state all the time. If the state roads map and private/public overlays were available with a subscription, it would help a lot. I have a 2GB/mo data plan and have poor service at my rural home so it's never been necessary to spend the money for unlimited data. That would cost me a significant monthly increase for a hunting app that I use 2 months a year.
Post by: SuperX on January 07, 2019, 05:41:21 PM
Yeah, I have wifi at home so at least that isn't charged against my bill, I am not always aware in advance where I am going to end up :)wifi at a public library?You cant blame the app for your lack of preparedness :twocents: not a ton of service up chinook pass so probably would have been a good idea to download a few maps before you headed to no service land. I used it in 5 states this year.with zero issues. A few of those I did a heck of a lot of roaming outside of my intended hunt area. When in doubt download it. Theres an option for a 100 mile square so if you even think you may sniff the edge of it then take the two minutes and download it. The app works exactly as intended and is a fantastic replacement to a traditional GPS if you take the time to learn it and use it properly. :twocents:
I do have maps downloaded, do use the broader map function, but I don't have a map of the state all the time. If the state roads map and private/public overlays were available with a subscription, it would help a lot. I have a 2GB/mo data plan and have poor service at my rural home so it's never been necessary to spend the money for unlimited data. That would cost me a significant monthly increase for a hunting app that I use 2 months a year.
Post by: PlateauNDN on January 07, 2019, 06:18:06 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on January 09, 2019, 06:20:39 PM
Post by: Wanderer on January 09, 2019, 08:30:59 PM
I did see a cool thing someone else did. somehow they copied the screen and texted it. so it showed right where they were when others were trying to find them.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 09, 2019, 08:34:45 PM
I took a chance this year and got the app. Admittedly i'm pretty new at it but I found it so handy. I downloaded the entire vail area although it took a bit of time. don't have anything to compare it to tho. definitely kept me from getting lost in the vail maze.you can also mark your position with a waypoint and text (share) that pin with a friend if they too have onx. Comes in as a link. When your buddy clicks on it, it automatically uploads to their onx
I did see a cool thing someone else did. somehow they copied the screen and texted it. so it showed right where they were when others were trying to find them.
Post by: Tbob on January 18, 2019, 09:31:34 PM
Post by: GBoyd on January 19, 2019, 09:42:45 AM
I'd highly recommend trying Gaia if you're using OnX.
Their downloading process is 1000% better. You have a rectangle that you can drag to the size and shape you want, then a slider bar for resolution. You can decide how big and how detailed you want to make it based on the file size you're willing to download. With OnX it drives me nuts that you have to use one rectangle. If your area doesn't fit that shape, you have to make multiple files.
Here's a video showing the download process for Gaia:
Other advantages to Gaia:
Better map selection
Better tracking (makes high resolution tracks that are useful for marking game trails, blood trailing)
Better route planning (OnX drives me nuts, blocking the whole screen when you try to plan a route)
Things that are better with OnX:
I like the map toggle button on the main screen. Lets you A-B between topo and satellite.
Better land ownership data (Gaia has land ownership, but I don't trust it as much as OnX)
Post by: splitshot on January 19, 2019, 10:38:43 AM
Post by: SuperX on January 20, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
I tried OnX, but I've switched back to Gaia Maps.Nice comparison between the two. I used Gaia 2 years ago and found the maps to be out of date, including using maps that would put you in the wrong GMU if you depended on their road naming. I also did not like their overlays for GMUs, they didn't work well for me on an iPhone, sometimes not appearing, and I didn't like their private/public land overlay as it was pretty sketchy in some areas.
I'd highly recommend trying Gaia if you're using OnX.
Their downloading process is 1000% better. You have a rectangle that you can drag to the size and shape you want, then a slider bar for resolution. You can decide how big and how detailed you want to make it based on the file size you're willing to download. With OnX it drives me nuts that you have to use one rectangle. If your area doesn't fit that shape, you have to make multiple files.
Here's a video showing the download process for Gaia:
Other advantages to Gaia:
Better map selection
Better tracking (makes high resolution tracks that are useful for marking game trails, blood trailing)
Better route planning (OnX drives me nuts, blocking the whole screen when you try to plan a route)
Things that are better with OnX:
I like the map toggle button on the main screen. Lets you A-B between topo and satellite.
Better land ownership data (Gaia has land ownership, but I don't trust it as much as OnX)
OnX has old maps as well but I would rate their GMU and Private/public overlays much better than Gaia. They are both craplets for cell phones, and won't compare to a dedicated GPS, but they probably shouldn't be, they are 'hunting apps'.