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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: cryder on January 19, 2019, 12:10:39 PM

Title: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: cryder on January 19, 2019, 12:10:39 PM: At the point of where this decease has gone it has come to the point of the government quits it's delays in approveing programs or we as the hunter and fisherman will have to take our own stand and agree to pay huge fees and taxes for licenceing to support study programs to search for the non-existing cure or that trail I keep bringing up is showing it's end , as we speak ,it's to the point that the hunting in Washington and 49 other states is great ,,,,,,,,,,,, but the meat isn't , it's the end stariring us in the face unless money is no object , I'll bet that's not on our feerless entertaining leaders list at all , sorry just hate that creep
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 19, 2019, 12:17:02 PM: Preach brother!
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Timberstalker on January 19, 2019, 12:29:57 PM: PERZACKLY!!!
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Stein on January 19, 2019, 01:15:00 PM: Hurumph!

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Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Tbar on January 19, 2019, 05:53:23 PM: Quote from: Stein on January 19, 2019, 01:15:00 PM
Hurumph!

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Cryder for governor!
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: MonstroMuley on January 19, 2019, 06:45:34 PM: Quote from: Timberstalker on January 19, 2019, 12:29:57 PM
PERZACKLY!!!

:chuckle: :yeah: classic cryder ...
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 19, 2019, 08:23:28 PM: Quote from: Tbar on January 19, 2019, 05:53:23 PM
Quote from: Stein on January 19, 2019, 01:15:00 PM
Hurumph!

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Cryder for governor!
amen :chuckle:
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Tiger01 on January 20, 2019, 08:14:17 AM: CWD definitely needs to be made a priority and have more emphasis on it than it currently does. If not, I’m afraid we’re in for a rude awakening. I shot a doe in Wyoming this last year that tested positive, really wakes you up when you have that happen to you.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: wildfire on January 21, 2019, 10:41:44 AM: What is CWD?
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Stein on January 21, 2019, 11:03:24 AM: Quote from: wildfire on January 21, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
What is CWD?

The worst nightmare for deer hunters ever. I think Steven Rinella has one or two podcasts on the matter, check them out. it is a real complex disease with no cure and is spreading much quicker than anyone wants to see. The only way to stop it is to cull the entire deer herd, but the things that cause the disease can live indefinitely in the soil and cause it to come back once deer are reintroduced.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Jpmiller on January 21, 2019, 12:01:43 PM: Has there been anything to show a danger for human consumption?
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Big game archer on January 21, 2019, 12:28:33 PM: It's a disease caused by prions. Prions are not "living" in the soil per say, because they are not alive (rather they bind to things). This makes it way more terrifying because you can't kill what's not alive and they are basically indestructible. There have been a few studies showing the possibility of it being transmittable to humans through meat consumption, but there is also a possibility that our bodies would not even recognize this prion for decades after consumption and it could just lay dormant without causing disease until recognized.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: nwwanderer on January 21, 2019, 01:14:21 PM: CWD, chronic wasting disease. Look up TSE, general term for this complex disorder and CJD for the human form. Scabbies in sheep, BSE in cattle. Sorry for the alphabet soup, google them if you wish to better understand a complex issue. Remember mad cow disease (BSE)? Bovine cousin of CWD that caused all of the turmoil some years ago.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: stlusn30-06 on January 22, 2019, 03:39:38 PM: 7 more states since the fall opener this year. Check out this article. Map shows just how fast it has been spreading in recent years.

http://www.trcp.org/2019/01/18/7-states-chronic-wasting-disease-spread-since-fall-opener/
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: cryder on January 22, 2019, 09:19:17 PM: This is the response I hoped this would get , it's very sad , and could be even worse if it gets to the beef industry , but oh ya ! They got that covered with horemones n pesticides , and several enoculations to make all that sooooooo much better , so don't worry about that ! Let's eat ! Nope not me can't do it anymore , crap is poison now days , my buddy raises a rump roast every couple of years and I have some rib steak there but that's as close as I get to the crap theses days but anyways happy hunting and oh ya , this decease is just another reason waisting time looking through your cutely mounted Hubble while the critter gets away ,while you make sure your not shooting the walking plaige , but hey ! Get out there and ,,,,,,,,,, shoot a chicken ?
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: JWEBB on January 22, 2019, 09:36:30 PM: :tup:
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: stlusn30-06 on January 23, 2019, 01:15:07 PM: Quote from: Jpmiller on January 21, 2019, 12:01:43 PM
Has there been anything to show a danger for human consumption?

It hasn't been passed by a deer carrying CWD yet, but Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) is the human equivalent. People did get CJD from eating cows that had Mad Cow Disease (bovine equivalent). More recently a person contracted CJD from eating Squirrel (https://www.livescience.com/63831-squirrel-brains-rare-disorder-creutzfeldt-jakob-disease.html). On stopping the spread; the only effective way that has been shown to stop the spread of the disease is total eradication. It made it's way into a heard of Reindeer in Norway. They are culling the entire heard, and preventing any other cervids from entering the range for 5 years. They are taking action on a massive scale. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/norway-plans-exterminate-large-reindeer-herd-stop-fatal-infectious-brain-disease . This could be one of the biggest threats to hunting, period. If a deer passes CWD onto a human in the form of CJD, you can bet there would be immediate action to stop the consumption of deer meat.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Stein on January 23, 2019, 01:42:13 PM: Most game agencies used to say there was no identified danger to eating it. Now, I believe all or at least most recommend not eating it and they modified wastage laws to not penalize throwing it away. The consensus is that it hasn't made the jump but there is no reason why it won't eventually do it as the other similar diseases with other species have made the jump. I think most believe it is only a matter of time or at least an unreasonable level of risk that it will happen.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: MonstroMuley on January 23, 2019, 03:36:45 PM: So if Hunting out of state or even in WA ... do we need to start carrying our own CWD Field Test Kits just to be sure? :dunno:

NEW CWD Test Potential Allows Hunters to Inspect Harvested Meat
https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/new-cwd-test-potentially-allows-hunters-to-inspect-harvested-meat
$10 for the Kit, $40 Lab Processing and Analysis ... 7 - 10 Days wait time for results.

Penn State Dept of Agricultural Sciences - Deer Forest Study "Buyer Beware"
https://ecosystems.psu.edu/research/projects/deer/news/2017/buyer-beware

Like the Penn State Guys view point ... states there is only one valid test:
"Testing for CWD requires postmortem collection of brain and specific lymphoid tissues. There is only one USDA-APHIS approved test to detect the presence of CWD prions: Immunohistochemistry (IHC) test. And there is only one USDA-APHIS approved screening test: enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA)."

and goes on to suggest that even negative test results may be inconclusive ...?

"Results of these USDA-APHIS testing methods are reported as either positive, not detected, or unsuitable. Note that those results do not include "CWD-free." That's because a conclusive negative result is impossible because the animal may be infected but the CWD prions may not be at a high enough concentration to be detected by the test.

Neither USDA-APHIS test is a food safety test."

Maybe just leave it up to the Professional Bio's at the MT/WY Game Check Stations ...
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Twispriver on January 23, 2019, 08:54:10 PM: I'm thinking that baiting, winter feeding and anything else that congregates deer and elk are on the way out. There was a good article in a recent issue of Bugle Magazine that listed the recommendations of a panel of wildlife managers and this was at the top of the list of preventive measures.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: fishnfur on January 24, 2019, 12:31:11 AM: This is a tough one. There's apparently not going to be any easy solution. As I re-read several articles, I kept wondering how they're getting infected deer in areas well distant from known loci of infection. Wikipedia article discusses the possibility of crows possibly carrying the prions from one area to another, transmitting the particles in their feces. Good luck stopping that.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Tiger01 on January 24, 2019, 07:10:44 AM: I don’t believe it’s crows, I think it’s people that are moving this disease to new areas. They either don’t know or don’t care and are transporting carcasses to places that previously didn’t have CWD and dropping the carcass in their back 40 and now they brought CWD to a new location. I think state agencies need to step up the awareness/fines/laws when it comes to how people are transporting animals.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Stein on January 24, 2019, 07:27:56 AM: They also don't know all of the deer that have it. It could be transmitted from deer to deer to deer...... to a deer that gets shot and tested. There could very well be deer between the two known locations that have it but just haven't been tested yet.

It could also be people moving carcasses around from other areas or even stuff like dirt.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: nwwanderer on January 24, 2019, 12:17:44 PM: A wisconsin example showed deer take by hunters from 48 states in one season from an area with very high CWD incidence.
Be careful out there
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: cryder on January 24, 2019, 02:05:40 PM: Field test kits , eliminateing bait sites ,discouraged scientists ,I'm starting to think my bad hockey knees are going to be a blessing in desqiuze , it will keep me from being able to persue my usual prey , Mr majestic ,maybe I'll just switch from bow to zoom teliphoto lense , trying to get some helpful info for the protection of my popscicle stand vigilence for crap sakes ,this is really a downer , to say the least
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: MonstroMuley on January 25, 2019, 06:05:05 PM: Talked to WDFW Guyz @ Puyallup Sportsman Show and said Spokane Regional Office coordinating with other western states dealing with CWD and WDFW developing own plan to deal with it when first detected in this state.
Nice to hear they're proactive. Sounds like only matter of time ...
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: JWEBB on January 25, 2019, 08:18:39 PM: Quote from: MonstroMuley on January 25, 2019, 06:05:05 PM
Talked to WDFW Guyz @ Puyallup Sportsman Show and said Spokane Regional Office coordinating with other western states dealing with CWD and WDFW developing own plan to deal with it when first detected in this state.
Nice to hear they're proactive. Sounds like only matter of time ...

Why are they even wasting their time? The wolves are taking care of all the deer anyway. Their priorities are so screwed up
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: cryder on January 26, 2019, 06:15:52 PM: First the deer !! Then the wolves !!!! Let mecontemplate that ,,,, more elk ? Hmmmmmmmm ?? ABSUGULOOOOLY redonkulouse !!
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: fishnfur on January 28, 2019, 12:09:01 AM: Quote from: JWEBB on January 25, 2019, 08:18:39 PM
Quote from: MonstroMuley on January 25, 2019, 06:05:05 PM
Talked to WDFW Guyz @ Puyallup Sportsman Show and said Spokane Regional Office coordinating with other western states dealing with CWD and WDFW developing own plan to deal with it when first detected in this state.
Nice to hear they're proactive. Sounds like only matter of time ...

Why are they even wasting their time? The wolves are taking care of all the deer anyway. Their priorities are so screwed up

Wolves? I'm thinking it was the humans that messed up that equation. The wolves and deer had it all working fine till humans arrived. Roads, highways, freeways, homes and towns in wintering grounds, fences, over-hunting and poaching, road kills..... Now, add CWD, HLS, and hoof rot for the elk. Stinkin' wolves messed it all up!
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: Stein on January 29, 2019, 08:31:12 PM: Quote from: MonstroMuley on January 25, 2019, 06:05:05 PM
Talked to WDFW Guyz @ Puyallup Sportsman Show and said Spokane Regional Office coordinating with other western states dealing with CWD and WDFW developing own plan to deal with it when first detected in this state.
Nice to hear they're proactive. Sounds like only matter of time ...

Yeah, they will just adapt the salmon recovery plan and it will be eradicated pretty quickly - along with the deer.
Title: Re: Where CWD HAS GONE
Post by: cryder on February 01, 2019, 06:07:43 AM: Yep ,, should a left it alone , now we have to give the critters there own planet , build a flying arc and take them away. Or versy vicey ,,,,,we go ?