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Title: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: rosscrazyelk on January 20, 2019, 07:27:09 AM
 So I am not a long range hunter but want to keep  my options open.
I have a .338 with a Burris on it now but I was just given a brand new Leopold  3x9x40.  I know they have a program you can send it in to have custom turrets on there.
I also have a Leopold  on my 7mm mag. 3x9x40.
Both  are varix  scopes.
My question do you think a 3x9 is a powerful enough scope for the system?
Thanks In advance
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: trophyhunt on January 20, 2019, 07:44:34 AM
Im no expert but not a novice either, I'd say that's a bit small if you want to really see your target at 600 plus yards.  Not just see it but feel good about your aiming spot, even with my huskemaw 50 power, it's a smallish target at 650, 700 yards.  Now I'm sure someone will post that I'm completely wrong, I could be, but in my opinion I'd go with a bit bigger?  But I'd also sell the .338 and get a .300 win mag.  I have a .300 win mag with the huskemaw and it can shoot 1000 yards, with a 40 power scope, could you see the aiming point? Just my thoughts Ross.
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 20, 2019, 08:37:28 AM
You're wrong Jerry  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: trophyhunt on January 20, 2019, 08:46:57 AM
You're wrong Jerry  :chuckle:
lol, not the first time!!!  But thanks for calling me out Karl  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 20, 2019, 08:56:22 AM
I have 3-9, 4-24, and 7-42 on my most used rifles.  9 is fine, 18 is better, 24 is about perfect and about max for spotting own shots with a .338 and 10# rifle.   42 power is even better but don’t expect to spot your shots. 
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: bobcat on January 20, 2019, 09:58:34 AM
I would suggest not sending your scope in to Leupold for custom work. Just recently the price for this has increased substantially, so much so that I feel you're better off selling the scope you have and buying the one you want. As for power I'd go with just a little more, a 4.5-14 or 3-18 would be about right.
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: Timberstalker on January 20, 2019, 10:01:37 AM
Im no expert but not a novice either, I'd say that's a bit small if you want to really see your target at 600 plus yards.  Not just see it but feel good about your aiming spot, even with my huskemaw 50 power, it's a smallish target at 650, 700 yards.  Now I'm sure someone will post that I'm completely wrong, I could be, but in my opinion I'd go with a bit bigger?  But I'd also sell the .338 and get a .300 win mag.  I have a .300 win mag with the huskemaw and it can shoot 1000 yards, with a 40 power scope, could you see the aiming point? Just my thoughts Ross.

When did huskemaw start building 50 power scopes ?

 ;)
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: trophyhunt on January 20, 2019, 11:02:22 AM
 :chuckle: oops, I was thinking 50mm objective.  My scope is 5-20x50
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: j_h_nimrod on January 20, 2019, 11:14:04 AM
I’ll weigh in on this with my opinion.  I’m no expert either but well versed. 

First, long range is subjective.  I am thinking 600 would be where most would start and it sounds like that is where you are at.

Second, I think the 3-9 is a perfect place to start for training to be a better LR shooter.  Personally, I feel iron sights is the place to learn to shoot and when you are proficient there, graduate to a scope of moderately low power without turrets. You will be a better shooter for it and train you to hold a better site and target picture as well as teach you to project an aiming point to a spot that may be covered by a crosshair.  It is also good to practice at your lowest power and set the scope for the conditions of the moment, if you are gonna reach out for a shot then you should have time to crank it up, not so when the bear comes out at 20yds. I had a guy miss (make a bad hit) at 19yds this year because unbeknownst to me he decided to carry his 3-9 scope at 6x.

I think the current practice of people slapping a huge scope on whatever and deciding they are gonna go LR is ludicrous.  It is the same thing as the guy buying the Raptor and thinking he can run the Baja.

The 338 (Win Mag I assume) is capable, but the advice to get a 300WM is a good one.  Even more so if you don’t reload, last I looked there were not many LR loads for the 338 but quite a few for the 300.  I think the 4-16 is a versatile scope out to 600 and beyond if necessary and stepping up to  ~6-24 is all (and more) than 99+% of shooters need. My current favorite midrange scope is a VX5 2-10 on my .375 H&H that is good point blank out to 400, beyond that my load is falling too fast for comfort!

There are a lot of other opinions, this is mine n how I will teach my kids n others who ask.
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: rosscrazyelk on January 20, 2019, 11:32:26 AM
Thanks all. I don't want to become a long range shooter but just in case I have no other way to get closer  I want that option.  I am very comfortable at 400 and my longest was my moose at 472.
I have had a couple run ins with having an animal out at 550 and was unable to get closer and thus lost my opportunity..
I am not really one to go buy all kinds of guns. Not my thing.
I like my .338
And 7mm I feel I cover  my bases with those 2 options..
Thanks everyone
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: MHWASH on January 20, 2019, 12:33:40 PM
I’m more than happy with my 2-10x40s for 700 yards. I have no problem sighting in on a 4” bullseye at 600 with a max of 10x. I’ve scoped several animals on 10x also at those ranges and see no reason why they won’t work, unless you’re trying to count antler points.
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2019, 01:50:36 PM
I really like the Leopold I have that is 4.5-14 and I have a Vortex that is 4-16. Great power range and neither are obnoxiously big. I have a 5-20 on a rifle and it is enormous.  I’m not sure I’ll be keeping it.  It’s great to look through and shoot through but it’s giant.
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: Crunchy on January 20, 2019, 03:11:49 PM
Another Leupold guy here.  I like the 3-18X44.  Gives you good bottom range magnification at 3 as well as 18 for the zoom.
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: buckfvr on January 20, 2019, 03:40:19 PM
3-18x sounds great for a hunter who wants 650 capability as a back up.......True LR hunting requires a dedicated LR rifle/optic combo that is as capable as the cartridge.  Magnification is subject to individual preference and quality of eye sight.  Older guys often times need a bit more magnification than younger eyes.  Mag is relative to anticipated range of fire......
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: trophyhunt on January 20, 2019, 03:43:43 PM
Older guys often times need a bit more magnification than younger eyes. 
  :yeah: you need a bigger scope Ross!!     :chuckle:
Title: Re: Long range shooting ability????
Post by: yorketransport on January 20, 2019, 06:26:30 PM
If you can see a 1 MOA (1") dot at 100 yards with any given optic, you can see a 1 MOA (6") dot at 600 with no issue. So, if you're capable of holding on a 1" target at 100 yards with the scope then you're perfectly capable of holding on a 6" aiming point at 600 yards, which is well within the kill zone of a deer. I typically shoot my optics on a relatively low power, 12-14x is about perfect. I've done a lot of shooting at 1 mile with a Sightron S-III 3.5-10x44 and I've never felt handicapped.

I think the only issue you're going to have with that scope will be compensating for your drops at 600 yards.  Instead of changing the turret though, maybe think about changing the reticle to something like the Boone & Crockett reticle. In a 338 Win Mag, I'd expect a bullet like the 225 Accubond to get you somewhere around 2750 fps from a 24" barrel which would match up pretty well with a lot of the drop compensating reticles out there. With a little practice you can figure out where your specific loads will impact at give ranges using the reticle and it makes it a little easier than twisting turrets. Also, some of the older VariX scopes just don't track well and you end up having problems when you spin the turrets too often.

For the record, I think the 338 Win Mag is a great LR chambering with the right load. I'd stick with bullets in the 225-250gr range and you're good to go out to 600 yards with no problem. Just put in the time practicing and you'll be fine.
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