Post by: stlusn30-06 on January 25, 2019, 09:59:25 AM
New to the community and thought I'd lob a question over the bow. I went back a couple of years here in the Backcountry board and didn't see a general discussion about what pack, what size and why. May be this topic has been exhausted to death in another area. If so please point me in the right direction. If not, what do you guys like and why? How many days you usually going into the BC for? AVG weight for that trip? What size pack do you bring for that? What brand and why has that frame system worked well? You packing a bow or rifle? Setting up a base camp or bivy hunting with a loaded pack on your back all day? Really looking to get a detailed breakdown of what pack systems work well, what they work well for, and why that brand pack pulls it off. Not just a "can't go wrong with insert brand name "
Should probably also describe build as that will have an impact on what fits well for certain folks. I'm 5'11 173, medium build.
To kick it off my top contender right now is the Exo 5500. Will be doing 2-7 day trips and can't afford two packs. Figure I'll go bigger and take advantage of how well they compress down. Pack should come in between 35 and 65 pounds depending on trip length. I like the idea of the flexibility and range of movement they have created with their frame which is why I'm headed that way. Still need to actually try it on and compare with others before forking over that kind of cash. Hence why I'm looking for your guidance. Thanks in advance!
Post by: TommyH on January 25, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
Post by: NoBark on January 25, 2019, 10:32:43 AM
Post by: bearpaw on January 25, 2019, 10:45:04 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 25, 2019, 10:51:43 AM
Post by: Stein on January 25, 2019, 10:59:52 AM
One thing to remember with pack discussions is the fast majority of folks have only ever used one upper end pack and it's always the greatest because that's what they have :chuckle:then take into consideration that a good portion of the ones who have used multiple, dont have them adjusted correctly :chuckle:
Add to that the fact that everyone is shaped differently, has a different level of fitness and definition of "comfortable" and carries a variety of loads in a different way for a different length in different country.
The brands you mentioned all have a good following. If I were you, I would buy each pack that I was thinking about (or find a way to get your hands on the actual pack). One will likely be the clear choice.
Post by: stlusn30-06 on January 25, 2019, 11:01:23 AM
One thing to remember with pack discussions is the fast majority of folks have only ever used one upper end pack and it's always the greatest because that's what they have :chuckle:then take into consideration that a good portion of the ones who have used multiple, dont have them adjusted correctly :chuckle:
Totally ok with me if they've only ever used one. Looking more for answers to what they do, how they use their packs and how those packs have shined. If someone has found one that works extremely well for them, I'd like to learn why. I understand that body type, fitness etc... will have an affect. Gathering perspectives before putting in the effort of tracking down packs to try.
Post by: fillthefreezer on January 25, 2019, 11:30:07 AM
Hi All,
New to the community and thought I'd lob a question over the bow. I went back a couple of years here in the Backcountry board and didn't see a general discussion about what pack, what size and why. May be this topic has been exhausted to death in another area. If so please point me in the right direction. If not, what do you guys like and why? How many days you usually going into the BC for?
Typically 2-8 days
AVG weight for that trip?
38-58 depending on trip.
What size pack do you bring for that? What brand and why has that frame system worked well?
I have one hunting pack that I use for everything. It is around 7k c.i. But compresses very well. Dayhunting to 1.5wks.
You packing a bow or rifle?
Depends on the hunt, but pack them each a similar amount.
Setting up a base camp or bivy hunting with a loaded pack on your back all day? Almost always a base camp , but have used the pack climbing in South America as well, carrying months worth of gear.
Really looking to get a detailed breakdown of what pack systems work well, what they work well for, and why that brand pack pulls it off.
I have run ALOT of different packs. What I have come to find is I need a pack with a side zip. It is my favorite configuration by far. I don’t want much for pockets and prefer a tall slim bag. I prefer to organize inside the pack with small sacks. I like 3 side compression straps, 4 is better and basic water bottle pockets on the side like every backpacking pack has had for a decade. I like 2 straps across the front for strapping my bow. A lid around 500ci with a single compartment. The frame should be really comfortable to 65#, comfortable up to 100, and strong enough to pack 150 without failing, year after year. It should do all this coming in no more than 6#
Hope this helps a bit
Post by: Jpmiller on January 25, 2019, 11:39:45 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 25, 2019, 11:46:05 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 25, 2019, 11:48:49 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on January 25, 2019, 11:49:35 AM
The great part about your dilemma is regardless of brand, kifaru, stone glacier, exo, and mystery Ranch are all very reputable companies and they are ran by fantastic people! Regardless of choice you will get a quality item, that has full support from their manufacturerExactly
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on January 25, 2019, 11:56:59 AM
+ for the MR my belt would not get loose as I hike. My Kifaru continually gets looser as I walk and I have to tighten it every 20-30 mins when hiking hard. I think Kifaru has solved this issue with the new belt clips.
+ for the Kifaru, to me more comfortable. Customer service is amazing. Now they have waterpoof bags (I have a 5000ci Muskeg)
I would say pick one that you like. I recently switched to a smaller bag on my pack as with my Kifaru AMR I would be overloaded if I loaded it. As well you can add pockets if you need more space on a smaller bag for a longer trip.
My tips would be pick a configuration that you think fits your hunting style. If you mostly do short trips get a small to medium bag. Ask yourself do I want a meat shelf or put the meat in the bag. My muskeg has a meat shelf but I doubt I will ever use it, for some people that is important.
Good luck on your pack hunt.
Post by: stlusn30-06 on January 25, 2019, 12:09:59 PM
Will these 2-7 day trips be done in Washington?
Mostly WA, will likely end up in AK, MT, ID
Post by: MtnMuley on January 25, 2019, 12:10:11 PM
One thing to remember with pack discussions is the fast majority of folks have only ever used one upper end pack and it's always the greatest because that's what they have :chuckle:then take into consideration that a good portion of the ones who have used multiple, dont have them adjusted correctly :chuckle:
Most honest advice one can give. :twocents:
Post by: milldozer on January 25, 2019, 01:12:04 PM
I run an Exo 3500 now and it is a much, much better ride.
Post by: JeffRaines on January 25, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
I also tried the Kuiu Ultra and while it was okay, it didn’t carry the weight like my SG does.
If it were me I wouldn’t waste my money on Eberlestock/big box store brands. Not to say you can’t find a comfortable pack from those manufacturers!
A lot of the higher end packs are nearly infinitely adjustable - you can get the frame working for you... but like the SO frame, there comes a point where a design is just at its limits for your body type. I think the issue with the SO is the hip belt padding isn’t all that thick, and it ends up riding and putting a ton of pressure on my butt. I’m also kinda skinny, so that doesn’t help matters.
In short, all of the high end packs will work. Order one, walk around the house with 50-60lbs. If it carries well, then good. If you can’t get it, send it back and try another until it does work.
Post by: actionshooter on January 25, 2019, 05:45:45 PM
One thing to remember with pack discussions is the fast majority of folks have only ever used one upper end pack and it's always the greatest because that's what they have :chuckle:then take into consideration that a good portion of the ones who have used multiple, dont have them adjusted correctly :chuckle:
But, But, But..... mine is the best b/c its the one I picked and it works ok for me.... :)
Post by: Stein on January 25, 2019, 05:47:39 PM
Post by: actionshooter on January 25, 2019, 05:56:59 PM
I have had great luck with Mystery Ranch, they carry great for me with heavy loads but they are heavier than a lot of the other high end brands.
My go to for heavy loads is a MR 7000ci
I needed to go lighter so I tried out a Stone Glacier Sky Talus 6900 and have been happy with it, modular and carries weight well up to about 75# (for me)
I have tried the Large badlands pack (don't remember the model) hated it …. super uncomfortable… to me.
Tried a Kifaru, didn't work for me, not enough adjustment, I'm 6'-05" 270#, otherwise I think its a good pack.
:twocents: :twocents:
Post by: dhjnesommer on January 25, 2019, 06:43:49 PM
Post by: The scout on January 25, 2019, 06:58:24 PM
Post by: JeffRaines on January 25, 2019, 07:29:36 PM
I'm not too worried about weight going in +or- a few pounds. I think the light weight pack obsession us a bit overrated as you will be hopefully packing out the biggest animal you can find. How many pass on the biggest animal and go for the smallest, lightweight one? If it can haul a big load and is comfortable, go for it. If you are just hiking, go lightweight.
Understandable, but I cant imagine that any pack with 150lbs is going to be considered comfortable, regardless of how it felt with 50 in it.
With that said, I'm going to be carrying the extra weight of the pack day in day out, during scouting, etc, while I am "just hiking"... so I'd opt for a lighter weight pack within reason. I'm not going to sacrifice load carrying ability to lose a few ounces, but you're not going to catch me with a 7+lb pack when a 5lb pack will do the same work. :twocents:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 25, 2019, 07:59:56 PM
Post by: addicted on January 25, 2019, 10:38:35 PM
Mystery ranch- heavy, load gets too far from body, narrow waist belt, torpedo pockets make bag bigger than it has to be, shoulder straps only adjustable for height instead of broad narrow or sloped shoulders
Positive----built in load sling, locking buckles, lid turns into fanny pack, bottom entry, goes on sale
Exo negative--- not many bag options, no fitted rain fly, some compain that it doesn't ride well as a day pack, no sales, back ordered
Positives---- descent weight, dry bag compatible if you like that sort of thing,
Stone glacier positive---- load is very close to body, shoulder straps very adjustable, straight or curved frame, best rifle holder, lightest rain fly, lots of bag options, lots of accessory options, very light 5100ci = 4lbs, built in load sling
Negatives, no sales
Kifaru negative--- a tad heavy 5000ci = 5lb 10oz, wierd pocket configuration
Positive---- lots of bags, lots of accessory
Kuiu negative, --- frame tends to loose bag stability over 6000ci, very technical fitting
Positive, the lightest, lots of bag options, plenty of accessories, packs tiny, lots of used packs for cheap, semi-annual sales
Post by: Crunchy on January 25, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
Post by: zwickeyman on January 26, 2019, 04:26:34 AM
*everyone's bodys are different
*everyone's needs are different
Try to borrow different packs from friends, stick 30# in them and take them for a serious hike. If that pack works well, put 60# in it and take another good hike. If it still is working for you put 90# and once again take a good hike. If it isn't uncomfortable and the bag has options you like :tup:
IMHO puting 60# in a pack and walking around your house or a store isn't good enough. I have had packs feel great under load for the first 15 minutes then start giving me issues after a while " KUIU for example " You need some real world time in it.
Real world " Meat " I have had 130 + # in an Eberlstock, 120+# in a Stone Glacier, 110=# in a Kifaru, 100+# in a KUIU, 110+# in an EXO and none were great but thats because you are carrying 100# through the mountains for many miles.
I have owned Kifaru, Stone Glacier, Eberlstock, EXO, KUIU and various external meat packers. Right now I have what I think is the best for me, An EXO frame with a Kifaru Nomad bag on it and love it
Good luck on your search
Post by: Tim in Wa. on January 26, 2019, 05:55:25 AM
Hi All,Trust your first instinct,Exo makes a great pack
New to the community and thought I'd lob a question over the bow. I went back a couple of years here in the Backcountry board and didn't see a general discussion about what pack, what size and why. May be this topic has been exhausted to death in another area. If so please point me in the right direction. If not, what do you guys like and why? How many days you usually going into the BC for? AVG weight for that trip? What size pack do you bring for that? What brand and why has that frame system worked well? You packing a bow or rifle? Setting up a base camp or bivy hunting with a loaded pack on your back all day? Really looking to get a detailed breakdown of what pack systems work well, what they work well for, and why that brand pack pulls it off. Not just a "can't go wrong with insert brand name "
Should probably also describe build as that will have an impact on what fits well for certain folks. I'm 5'11 173, medium build.
To kick it off my top contender right now is the Exo 5500. Will be doing 2-7 day trips and can't afford two packs. Figure I'll go bigger and take advantage of how well they compress down. Pack should come in between 35 and 65 pounds depending on trip length. I like the idea of the flexibility and range of movement they have created with their frame which is why I'm headed that way. Still need to actually try it on and compare with others before forking over that kind of cash. Hence why I'm looking for your guidance. Thanks in advance!
Post by: JeffRaines on January 26, 2019, 07:05:41 AM
I'm likely going to end up doing that with my SO Saker bag to my SG frame. I know fillthefreezer has a custom bag altogether I believe.
Post by: Jpmiller on January 26, 2019, 08:03:35 AM
I like my KUIU 3200. Big enough if I were to do a 2-4 day hunt bivy style. It will carry a heavy load, and no matter what pack you have there is no magical pack that will make carry 100 pounds comfy. So you just suck it up. I also prefer a pack that isnt so big that I cannot sneak through the woods with it on. squeezing between trees and brush quietly. The diff between 2-3 days in the woods and a week is food. Compression sacks work wonders for clothing and sleeping bag. So a 3200 would be as small as you want to go.
I didn't ever think about this until I bought my latest pack. I noticed about halfway through the first day out how much easier it was to move around and to do it quietly because the bag doesn't stick out beyond my shoulders or above my head.
Post by: huntnnw on January 27, 2019, 10:56:28 PM
Post by: spin05 on January 27, 2019, 11:45:58 PM
Post by: Shawn Ryan on January 28, 2019, 12:14:45 AM
To answer your direct questions:
# days: 2-10, usually closer to 10.
Weight: 35-55, mostly driven by food, but some by clothes and base camp v. bivy.
Size: Kifaru EMRII at 8,400 plus Guide lid at 1,200, plus pockets at 500-600. Way more room than I typically need.
Frame: had a bikini, now have a duplex frame.
Weapon: bow.
Base v. bivy: both or either. Depends on the trip. On one of my usual annual trips, I'll base camp about 3 miles in and bivy beyond that several nights, but spend about 7 nights at base camp.
My size: 6', 150lbs.
I struggled with the Kifaru bikini frame for about 2 years. It fit wrong from the beginning, but I thought it was because of my tall, skinny frame. Then it got worse to the point that I could see the defect and how the pack rode too far to one side. Aron Snyder at Kifaru offered to swap it for a duplex at no charge, no questions--he even offered for me to keep the bikini frame. I wasn't looking to get a free upgrade so offered to and did pay half and sent him the bikini so that it could be fixed and re-used. I'm satisfied with the duplex and have used it for general backpacking and hunting. The bikini isn't an option, unless you buy used. I tell you this part, so that you can understand the level of service at Kifaru.
I've not used the modularity feature to swap bags. I've looked at it, but never decided that having a smaller, lighter bag was worth the cost. I can carry another pound for $200.
I use the guide lid's day pack feature/straps when I've backpacked into a fly fishing area and am out for just the day fishing. It is sufficiently large enough for that purpose, but I'd buy the organizer guide lid, if I was buying today. My buddies bring separate day packs for the same purpose and I'm glad I'm not carrying that extra gear.
I really like the EMR's full center zip for packing and cleaning blood out of the bag. I don't like the way the side pockets flop when the tension straps are opened and have moved 2 straps to the inside loops and have a sewing project to remedy some of the flop. There are many modular pockets and accessories. Makes building the bag for a particular trip fairly easy and versatile.
I have a huge bag, but it slims down easily for day use. The frame is so good that it carries better than smaller, lighter packs. I've shot elk with the pack in day mode and fully loaded with bivy gear as well. It does not impede my draw or shot.
I don't like a chest rig for my binos--too much bounce, even with my AGC. So my binos ride on my hip belt. That means I have less PALS loops for other gear and I like gear on my belt for its ease of access. If you like gear on your belt, then understanding what you can load onto your belt might matter. PALS loops also don't accommodate accessories that need a belt. I've remedied that with an add-on device from Jimmy Tarps that uses the same Kifaru attachment system, but accommodates an accessory that has a loop made for a belt.
If you will need a pack cover, there are good, light-weight after market covers. You don't need the same brand as your pack.
If you know enough about packs and what you want in a pack, you might go for a custom bag like FTF did. You could also spend the coin and get a completely custom pack from McHale in Seattle. For years his packs were the holy grail of packs to a portion of the backpacking community. He is a peer to Patrick Smith at Kifaru and Dana Gleason at Mystery Ranch: the guys from the 70's responsible for making backpacks what they are today.
If you don't have the $$ to buy all new, then look for used packs. This time of year, you can usually find good packs that are only a few seasons or even one season old and lightly used. May not be the latest model, but it was the sh*ts last year! The classifieds here, Monster Muley, 24hourcampfire, and Rokslide may have what you want. (IDK if I can mention other forums--mods, scold me and edit as necessary.)
On the issue of whether to buy expensive or not, Karl made a good point about not needing to buy top drawer, if you don't know that you'll love it. You may not love it with cheap gear because of the cheap gear, but you might. Depends on whether you embrace the suck. I'm a fan of buy-once, cry-once, but only for gear you are convinced you will want and use for a long time. On the other hand, there is a ready market for your lightly used A-quality gear.
If you can try and/or borrow someone's pack, that may be help you decide.
Post by: ian_padron on January 31, 2019, 11:42:58 PM
I've run an MR and now run an SG 6900. I give it a 9/10, did just fine with over 100# this past season.
I think the sleeper is Seek Outside, I've never heard anyone who has tried one say a single negative thing. My buddy loves his and they are the lightest option out there.
Order your top 3 on a credit card and return the 2 you don't like, that's the proper way to buy mission critical gear like your pack, boots, etc
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 01, 2019, 05:22:21 AM
Post by: ian_padron on February 01, 2019, 01:51:30 PM
Atleast your not in the Napeequa again.Who are you talking to?
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Post by: ian_padron on February 01, 2019, 02:37:26 PM
All of them are tough built with 500d cordura with lifetime guarantees so that's a wash.
Mystery ranch- heavy, load gets too far from body, narrow waist belt, torpedo pockets make bag bigger than it has to be, shoulder straps only adjustable for height instead of broad narrow or sloped shoulders
Positive----built in load sling, locking buckles, lid turns into fanny pack, bottom entry, goes on sale
Exo negative--- not many bag options, no fitted rain fly, some compain that it doesn't ride well as a day pack, no sales, back ordered
Positives---- descent weight, dry bag compatible if you like that sort of thing,
Stone glacier positive---- load is very close to body, shoulder straps very adjustable, straight or curved frame, best rifle holder, lightest rain fly, lots of bag options, lots of accessory options, very light 5100ci = 4lbs, built in load sling
Negatives, no sales
Kifaru negative--- a tad heavy 5000ci = 5lb 10oz, wierd pocket configuration
Positive---- lots of bags, lots of accessory
Kuiu negative, --- frame tends to loose bag stability over 6000ci, very technical fitting
Positive, the lightest, lots of bag options, plenty of accessories, packs tiny, lots of used packs for cheap, semi-annual sales
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Post by: stlusn30-06 on February 01, 2019, 04:30:11 PM
Post by: Stein on February 01, 2019, 06:12:28 PM
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Post by: Old Grizzly on February 04, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
At almost 70 year old I don't do any BC past 5 days and usually stick to 3 but Anything past 5 days I would recommend the 5500 pack.
If you're already looking at an Exo then go ahead, you won't regret it.
Old Bear
Post by: Shawn Ryan on February 04, 2019, 03:38:24 PM
I have both a Kuiu 3200 as well as an Exo 3500 and have used both extensively 3-5 day BC. and like both very much. The Exo seems to carry weight a bit better, little more comfortably but it could just be my imagination justifying me to buy another pack.
At almost 70 year old I don't do any BC past 5 days and usually stick to 3 but Anything past 5 days I would recommend the 5500 pack.
If you're already looking at an Exo then go ahead, you won't regret it.
Old Bear
I don't care what pack you use, if you're almost 70 and still getting 3-5 days of back country hunting in at a time, you're doing fine. Blessed you are.
Post by: JeffRaines on February 04, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
I think the sleeper is Seek Outside, I've never heard anyone who has tried one say a single negative thing. My buddy loves his and they are the lightest option out there.
I went down the rabbit hole on a SO pack a few months ago thinking I would be able to shave a pound off my SG packs weight and be good.
While they work for some people, I couldn't get the pack comfortable no matter what I did. It put pressure on my butt muscles which caused my upper legs to BURN when hiking, like bad. This wasn't "out of shape" burn, it was "this aint right" burn. I tried all manner of adjustments with the pack to no avail. I figure its because their waist belts and straps are thin in comparison to SG. I was talking with a guy who had an older SO pack and he mentioned that they used to be more padded/more comfortable. Trust me, I wanted it to work... but the SG just carries weight so well for me. It doesn't matter if its 100lbs or 50lbs, once you tighten that hip belt it "disappears".
With all that said, the SO is going up the road and I've already got a bigger SG bag on the way. Oh well, at least I know now.
edit: The SO packs construction is outstanding - I don't want it to seem like I'm ragging them, their frame just didn't work for me.
Post by: actionshooter on February 04, 2019, 09:03:13 PM
I have both a Kuiu 3200 as well as an Exo 3500 and have used both extensively 3-5 day BC. and like both very much. The Exo seems to carry weight a bit better, little more comfortably but it could just be my imagination justifying me to buy another pack.
At almost 70 year old I don't do any BC past 5 days and usually stick to 3 but Anything past 5 days I would recommend the 5500 pack.
If you're already looking at an Exo then go ahead, you won't regret it.
Old Bear
I don't care what pack you use, if you're almost 70 and still getting 3-5 days of back country hunting in at a time, you're doing fine. Blessed you are.
Dang! I agree, I hope I'm still able at that age!
Post by: bulldogs40 on February 15, 2019, 06:33:32 AM
Out of the box the bag was a little smaller than I expected. It is roughly the size of an average backpack with a heavy duty frame and shoulder/ waist straps. This was actually a relief since I made the purchase for extended day trips with the possibility of loading a few days of supplies in the load shelf and being able to have essentially a day pack while hunting from camp and have the ability to pack an animal out. It fits that bill perfectly.
Quality- You certainly get what you pay for. Stitching looks immaculate and the frame and straps certainly look like they could hold up to some pretty heavy pack weights.
Popup function- I was worried that this is where the bag would get gimmicky and the aluminum poles in the back would not hold up to the hype. They did seem pretty sturdy though. The biggest plus here was that it took about 30 seconds to convert this from a pretty small pack to the "Popup" setting for hauling a load. It is an extremely efficient and quick design.
Load hauling- I haven't had the opportunity yet to put it through its paces but I grabbed a sand bag and put in the load shelf area and did 3 miles at a relatively moderate pace. The area I am at is flat.... like extremely flat. This is where it really shined. There was no slipping from the waist strap. The load did not move an inch. The pop up function did exactly what it was designed to do and took the weight completely off my shoulders. It was extremely comfortable and VERY compact. As of right now I no longer have concerns as to whether the aluminum poles will hold up. They seemed very sturdy. I didn't weigh the load until after I was done figuring it was around 50lbs and was shocked to see the overall load was just under 80lbs. The bag handled it phenomenally and it felt like a much lighter load. I have no doubt it could handle a larger load and still perform
Overall, my opinion MR knocked it out of the park with this bag. It will do exactly what I have purchased it for. In comparison to my SG I think they are both top of the line bags however the MR seems to fit me better and there is 0 slippage off the waist which was a problem I had last year on a extended archery elk hunt with my SG.
Post by: mburrows on February 15, 2019, 07:47:16 AM
Made the switch to Kifaru but I have not had the chance to play with it yet.
Post by: addicted on February 15, 2019, 09:07:39 AM
Just sold my SG and loved it for a long time. My only issue ever was I busted one of the carbon supports in the frame. There are 4 carbon poles in the frame which makes it so light. This year I had packed loaded with probably more weight than I should of and was trying to pull the bag over the frame and i snapped one of the carbon poles, luckily it was easy hiking back out for a little under a mile. They replaced it for free no questions asked and the pack continued to work nicely, just dont try to bend those carbon poles too far.
Made the switch to Kifaru but I have not had the chance to play with it yet.
Tried to pull the bag over the frame?
Post by: ian_padron on February 16, 2019, 10:33:47 AM
I've heard of the Krux slipping like you mentioned, X-Curve is like a dang clamp though!
Just received a MR Popup 28 and I thought I would throw a little review on here. I also own a SG talus and a MR 3 day assault pack. I am currently on deployment so the testing that I have done is very limited but here is the initial impression.
Out of the box the bag was a little smaller than I expected. It is roughly the size of an average backpack with a heavy duty frame and shoulder/ waist straps. This was actually a relief since I made the purchase for extended day trips with the possibility of loading a few days of supplies in the load shelf and being able to have essentially a day pack while hunting from camp and have the ability to pack an animal out. It fits that bill perfectly.
Quality- You certainly get what you pay for. Stitching looks immaculate and the frame and straps certainly look like they could hold up to some pretty heavy pack weights.
Popup function- I was worried that this is where the bag would get gimmicky and the aluminum poles in the back would not hold up to the hype. They did seem pretty sturdy though. The biggest plus here was that it took about 30 seconds to convert this from a pretty small pack to the "Popup" setting for hauling a load. It is an extremely efficient and quick design.
Load hauling- I haven't had the opportunity yet to put it through its paces but I grabbed a sand bag and put in the load shelf area and did 3 miles at a relatively moderate pace. The area I am at is flat.... like extremely flat. This is where it really shined. There was no slipping from the waist strap. The load did not move an inch. The pop up function did exactly what it was designed to do and took the weight completely off my shoulders. It was extremely comfortable and VERY compact. As of right now I no longer have concerns as to whether the aluminum poles will hold up. They seemed very sturdy. I didn't weigh the load until after I was done figuring it was around 50lbs and was shocked to see the overall load was just under 80lbs. The bag handled it phenomenally and it felt like a much lighter load. I have no doubt it could handle a larger load and still perform
Overall, my opinion MR knocked it out of the park with this bag. It will do exactly what I have purchased it for. In comparison to my SG I think they are both top of the line bags however the MR seems to fit me better and there is 0 slippage off the waist which was a problem I had last year on a extended archery elk hunt with my SG.
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Post by: bulldogs40 on February 16, 2019, 07:39:30 PM
Did you have the Krux or X-Curve frame on your SG?
I've heard of the Krux slipping like you mentioned, X-Curve is like a dang clamp though!
Post by: jwfaber1 on February 18, 2019, 01:46:53 PM
I'm a brand-spanking new hunter at 29 years old, and my wife and parents just pooled to buy buy me a Exo 3500 this past fall. I didn't think it'd be wise to try to carry awkward meat loads in my Osprey, and I'd been drooling over a Exo pack for a while now. Never used a bespoke hunting pack before, but I've used several mountaineering/backpacking packs over the years. I haven't gone on a backcountry hunt yet (first one will be this fall), but I've used the Exo on a couple overnight trips and one 4-day backpack trip in Alaska and I can easily say it blows all of the mountaineering packs I've used out of the water. I'll be getting rid of my Osprey and using the Exo as my everything pack from now on.
It's ridiculously comfortable, light enough, and I can tell after having 40-45 lbs in it, that it would carry 90 lbs exactly the same as it would 40 (it'd just be heavier...obviously), whereas if I were to try to go over 40 lbs in a mountaineering pack, I'd be having a bad day. It's also clearly tougher and will outlast any of the mountaineering packs out there. It can easily compress down to be a nice day pack too. I have no doubt this pack will last me a very long time.
I do wish it had a bit more smaller compartments, or some pockets on the hip-belt for quick access to the items I need regularly, but those can all be added on as accessories for cheap.
I don't know how it compares to Kifaru, Mystery Ranch, Kuiu, etc, but I would guess that you can't go wrong with most of them. That said, I highly recommend the Exo. I know it's pricey, but given how long it will last and how well it performs, I think it's well worth it.
-Justin
Post by: 2MANY on February 18, 2019, 02:05:48 PM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on February 18, 2019, 02:53:01 PM
They have some new updates and bag types coming this summer from what I hear. A big bag, 7000 or so. And a 4800 or so. Incorperating a horseshoe zip. Lighter frame. *** if I remember correctly.
Post by: addicted on February 18, 2019, 10:19:58 PM
Had a Kuiu icon pro pack, after seeing my buddies exo and testing it out I switched to the Exo 3500 and never looked back. I highly recommend it.
They have some new updates and bag types coming this summer from what I hear. A big bag, 7000 or so. And a 4800 or so. Incorperating a horseshoe zip. Lighter frame. *** if I remember correctly.
The 3500 is already a 4200 and the 5500 is around 7000. The new frame sucks for all the guys that were expecting to stay compatible
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 19, 2019, 05:04:45 PM
Post by: DWP on February 19, 2019, 05:16:30 PM
Kifaru, Mystery Ranch, and Seek Outside.
The only issue I had with the Kifaru was it would need consistent adjustment of the hip belt when loaded over 70#s or so. Nothing crazy, it just seemed to slip a bit consistently when loaded up.
The Mystery Ranch I have is a Dragonslayer. It isn't a big pack, but it is my favorite small pack I have ever used. I can do a 2 nighter if needed, but if hauling meat I would switch to a different pack. I have also spent a good amount of time under a Crew Cab. It is a bombproof pack that excels at a lot of things , but there are better load haulers out there (lack of lifters).
My Seek Outside Goshawk has been great so far. I have had 60#s in it a few times on the trail and it rides and carries beautifully. Honestly I was skeptical of the thinner hip belt and other ways that it is constructed, but it has been great. It carries like a dream as a daypack too. I highly recommend the SO Revolution system.
I am pretty sure that I would have tried a Stone Glacier pack if I didn't like my SO.
You have gotten some great info so far. Find as many packs as you can and try them out. As said before different packs suit different bodies.
We are fortunate to have quite a few excellent pack makers to choose from: Kifaru, MR, Exo, Stone Glacier, SO, etc... If you order one from any of these companies and run it for a few trips and don't like it you can sell it for a minimal loss and move on, it's not like a high end hunting pack loses value like a car does!!!
I live in Issaquah, if you want to try my SO pack you are more than welcome.
Derrek
Cell: 4258904714
Post by: mburrows on February 20, 2019, 07:20:13 AM
Just sold my SG and loved it for a long time. My only issue ever was I busted one of the carbon supports in the frame. There are 4 carbon poles in the frame which makes it so light. This year I had packed loaded with probably more weight than I should of and was trying to pull the bag over the frame and i snapped one of the carbon poles, luckily it was easy hiking back out for a little under a mile. They replaced it for free no questions asked and the pack continued to work nicely, just dont try to bend those carbon poles too far.
Made the switch to Kifaru but I have not had the chance to play with it yet.
Tried to pull the bag over the frame?
Was using the meat shelf and it was loaded down with meat, the bag was also loaded down with meat and I was attaching the bag back to the frame.
Post by: addicted on February 20, 2019, 10:04:20 AM
Just sold my SG and loved it for a long time. My only issue ever was I busted one of the carbon supports in the frame. There are 4 carbon poles in the frame which makes it so light. This year I had packed loaded with probably more weight than I should of and was trying to pull the bag over the frame and i snapped one of the carbon poles, luckily it was easy hiking back out for a little under a mile. They replaced it for free no questions asked and the pack continued to work nicely, just dont try to bend those carbon poles too far.
Made the switch to Kifaru but I have not had the chance to play with it yet.
Tried to pull the bag over the frame?
Was using the meat shelf and it was loaded down with meat, the bag was also loaded down with meat and I was attaching the bag back to the frame.
With the frame pockets on the bag?
Post by: Smokey Bear on March 06, 2019, 09:14:13 AM
Had a Kuiu icon pro pack, after seeing my buddies exo and testing it out I switched to the Exo 3500 and never looked back. I highly recommend it.
They have some new updates and bag types coming this summer from what I hear. A big bag, 7000 or so. And a 4800 or so. Incorperating a horseshoe zip. Lighter frame. *** if I remember correctly.
The 3500 is already a 4200 and the 5500 is around 7000. The new frame sucks for all the guys that were expecting to stay compatible
This post has been a great read as I am also looking to invest in a high-end pack. Last summer traveling through Idaho I stopped at Exo and tried the 3500 with 45lbs in it. No hiking but had it on my back for about 45 minutes walking around the store and talking with the guys and it didn't even feel like it was there! Last hunting season I used an Osprey Atmos 65 with a Horn Hunter daypack attached, weighing in at 50 lbs. and I wouldn't suggest it.
I have tried MR and Tenzing but they didn't fit as well as the Exo. This spring Exo is "re-naming" some of their packs to be closer to actual size. I think the lineup will be something like: 2200, 3200, 4200, 4800, 6000 ??? The 3200 and 4800 bags will be new this year. Exo told me they expect the 4800 bag and frame will come in under 5 lbs.
I have backpacked my whole life and every ounce counts! I am 47 end not getting any younger, so if I am going to be carrying camp on my back I will be going as light as possible. "Ounces = Pounds, Pounds = Pain"
Post by: stlusn30-06 on March 12, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
I have had 3 of the top tier packs:
Kifaru, Mystery Ranch, and Seek Outside.
The only issue I had with the Kifaru was it would need consistent adjustment of the hip belt when loaded over 70#s or so. Nothing crazy, it just seemed to slip a bit consistently when loaded up.
The Mystery Ranch I have is a Dragonslayer. It isn't a big pack, but it is my favorite small pack I have ever used. I can do a 2 nighter if needed, but if hauling meat I would switch to a different pack. I have also spent a good amount of time under a Crew Cab. It is a bombproof pack that excels at a lot of things , but there are better load haulers out there (lack of lifters).
My Seek Outside Goshawk has been great so far. I have had 60#s in it a few times on the trail and it rides and carries beautifully. Honestly I was skeptical of the thinner hip belt and other ways that it is constructed, but it has been great. It carries like a dream as a daypack too. I highly recommend the SO Revolution system.
I am pretty sure that I would have tried a Stone Glacier pack if I didn't like my SO.
You have gotten some great info so far. Find as many packs as you can and try them out. As said before different packs suit different bodies.
We are fortunate to have quite a few excellent pack makers to choose from: Kifaru, MR, Exo, Stone Glacier, SO, etc... If you order one from any of these companies and run it for a few trips and don't like it you can sell it for a minimal loss and move on, it's not like a high end hunting pack loses value like a car does!!!
I live in Issaquah, if you want to try my SO pack you are more than welcome.
Derrek
Cell: 4258904714
Appreciate that offer. Still doing research, but will reach out if SO makes it to the finals. Thanks!