Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 28, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on January 28, 2019, 10:08:23 AM
Post by: Reidus on January 28, 2019, 10:09:48 AM
Post by: porcupine on January 28, 2019, 10:12:26 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 28, 2019, 10:13:16 AM
Did you overcome your fear of hunting in grizz country?Does Alaska count? :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 28, 2019, 10:14:08 AM
No. I have heard of others doing this and it only causes other problem like FTE's. I have a stock RSA in my G20 and have experienced any problems and it has handled everything I've fed it.have you by chance tried the 220gr buffalo bore?
Post by: CaNINE on January 28, 2019, 10:26:46 AM
I'm sticking with the factory barrel for this test. If accuracy sucks then I'll upgrade to an Alpha Wolf or KKM. I expect the factory barrel to perform just fine.
By the way, A GS chest rig is on the way for this gun too.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 28, 2019, 10:36:00 AM
Karl - I just bought a G20 last week and have ordered a new guide rode and 22# spring. I'm going to test the Underwood 200 and 220 grain flatnose over my labradar to see what velocity difference I get between the OEM spring and after market set up. Will also try to assess recoil and muzzle flip. From what I've researched some users say the stock gun performs fine...others have failures.well hurry up! I leave for AK in 3 weeks :chuckle:
I'm sticking with the factory barrel for this test. If accuracy sucks then I'll upgrade to an Alpha Wolf or KKM. I expect the factory barrel to perform just fine.
By the way, A GS chest rig is on the way for this gun too.
But seriously, my reading has been similar. Some say it's a must, some say dont touch it :dunno:
Post by: porcupine on January 28, 2019, 10:43:09 AM
Post by: CaNINE on January 28, 2019, 10:46:16 AM
To be on the safe side you might consider the 200 grain Underwood ammo. There seems to be consensus that it performs well in the stock guns. 200 grains of hot lovin' running at 1200 FPS is going to drive deep into bear flesh. And they're even on sale.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/698765/underwood-ammunition-10mm-auto-200-grain-hard-cast-flat-nose-box-of-20
Post by: KFhunter on January 28, 2019, 11:22:24 AM
Karl - I just bought a G20 last week and have ordered a new guide rode and 22# spring. I'm going to test the Underwood 200 and 220 grain flatnose over my labradar to see what velocity difference I get between the OEM spring and after market set up. Will also try to assess recoil and muzzle flip. From what I've researched some users say the stock gun performs fine...others have failures.
I'm sticking with the factory barrel for this test. If accuracy sucks then I'll upgrade to an Alpha Wolf or KKM. I expect the factory barrel to perform just fine.
By the way, A GS chest rig is on the way for this gun too.
I have the same setup, lone wolf barrel + SS guide rod and 22# recoil spring.
On top of that I've changed out the sights to trijicon night sights.
another thing you'll eventually need to do is change out the magazine springs to +10% heavy duty magazine springs.
I had fail to feed issues on stock magazine springs, the HD springs cured it.
just for chits and giggles..
I loaded up 3 magazines randomly stacking in each magazine 180gr stock double tap bulk ammo, 200gr underwood high power, and 220 grain underwood ammo in each magazine and rapid firing it. I of course would never do this in a real world scenario but I was reliability testing the gun.
it ran flawless, with all the brass travelling far enough away to be acceptable, nothing landed at my feet nor did anything eject 20 feet away.
For accuracy I was hitting an 18" plate constantly at 100 yards
Post by: 10mmg on January 28, 2019, 12:31:27 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 28, 2019, 12:35:48 PM
Post by: Reidus on January 28, 2019, 12:45:07 PM
Well I'm thinking a spring is cheap so may as well. Ordered a new spring, some 220's and those 200gr Underwood. Already into this goat hunt basically all of my annual hunting budget so what's another $8 for a spring :chuckle:
So maybe the mule deers will get a little relief this year? :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on January 28, 2019, 12:51:19 PM
I highly doubt that. He's got a sickness :chuckle:Well I'm thinking a spring is cheap so may as well. Ordered a new spring, some 220's and those 200gr Underwood. Already into this goat hunt basically all of my annual hunting budget so what's another $8 for a spring :chuckle:
So maybe the mule deers will get a little relief this year? :chuckle:
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Post by: KFhunter on January 28, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
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The only time I have seen one fail is from new shooters limp wristing. Of course this is my experience and my :twocents:
Definitely not a new shooter :chuckle: and there's no limp wristing here, it failed.
The spring tension in the magazines weakened over time. They didn't stay fully loaded all of the time either. One magazine was usually loaded while the other two were either partially loaded, loaded or empty. They weren't 100% loaded 100% of the time.
honestly I think the term "limp wristing" gets bandied about way too much as a crutch for a gun that isn't feeding properly, or is on the verge of not feeding properly.
If the tolerance for feeding properly vs not feeding properly is simply a matter of "wrist stiffness" (which is a misnomer anyways) the gun is on the verge of being unreliable, if not already unreliable. It should feed no matter how it's fired, upside down, sideways, single wrist, double wrist, good stance, bad stance - it should fire always until empty.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 28, 2019, 01:08:36 PM
only a slight reprieve :chuckle: I sold this into the wife as a true once in a lifetime opportunity so she allowed for some general fund support :IBCOOL: mule deer will be cut back to just double idaho tags and Colorado............I highly doubt that. He's got a sickness :chuckle:Well I'm thinking a spring is cheap so may as well. Ordered a new spring, some 220's and those 200gr Underwood. Already into this goat hunt basically all of my annual hunting budget so what's another $8 for a spring :chuckle:
So maybe the mule deers will get a little relief this year? :chuckle:
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And wyoming :chuckle:
Post by: CaNINE on January 28, 2019, 01:09:20 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 28, 2019, 01:15:24 PM
If I'm getting chewed on by a bear and need to fire one-handed with a less than ideal grip the gun better go bang. I think I'm going to practice (without the bear chewing part) to know the system works under different conditions and postures. Thanks KF for sharing your experiences with this set up."your side arm isnt to defend yourself, it's to defend your hunting partner and Visa versa." - Brad Jameson (bear mauling victim)
:yike:
Post by: Elkslayer on January 28, 2019, 01:19:27 PM
Post by: 10mmg on January 28, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
QuoteThe only time I have seen one fail is from new shooters limp wristing. Of course this is my experience and my :twocents:
Definitely not a new shooter :chuckle: and there's no limp wristing here, it failed.
The spring tension in the magazines weakened over time. They didn't stay fully loaded all of the time either. One magazine was usually loaded while the other two were either partially loaded, loaded or empty. They weren't 100% loaded 100% of the time.
honestly I think the term "limp wristing" gets bandied about way too much as a crutch for a gun that isn't feeding properly, or is on the verge of not feeding properly.
If the tolerance for feeding properly vs not feeding properly is simply a matter of "wrist stiffness" (which is a misnomer anyways) the gun is on the verge of being unreliable, if not already unreliable. It should feed no matter how it's fired, upside down, sideways, single wrist, double wrist, good stance, bad stance - it should fire always until empty.
Sorry KF just re-read my post and wanted to be clear I was not making a reference to your post. Sorry if that was what was communicated. :sry:
Post by: KFhunter on January 28, 2019, 01:24:47 PM
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I actually want to tape my holster too, as it's loud in the brush as you walk by.
Post by: KFhunter on January 28, 2019, 01:27:51 PM
QuoteThe only time I have seen one fail is from new shooters limp wristing. Of course this is my experience and my :twocents:
Definitely not a new shooter :chuckle: and there's no limp wristing here, it failed.
The spring tension in the magazines weakened over time. They didn't stay fully loaded all of the time either. One magazine was usually loaded while the other two were either partially loaded, loaded or empty. They weren't 100% loaded 100% of the time.
honestly I think the term "limp wristing" gets bandied about way too much as a crutch for a gun that isn't feeding properly, or is on the verge of not feeding properly.
If the tolerance for feeding properly vs not feeding properly is simply a matter of "wrist stiffness" (which is a misnomer anyways) the gun is on the verge of being unreliable, if not already unreliable. It should feed no matter how it's fired, upside down, sideways, single wrist, double wrist, good stance, bad stance - it should fire always until empty.
Sorry KF just re-read my post and wanted to be clear I was not making a reference to your post. Sorry if that was what was communicated. :sry:
oh no, I'm talking in general. I hear that term too often and got to the point where I kind of cringe when I hear it :chuckle:
There is a lot of people that can work on stance and proper shooting technique for sure! but in the real world you don't always get the opportunity to properly line up on your target
Post by: yorketransport on January 28, 2019, 07:48:39 PM
I used the stock spring for a few rounds on both my G20 and G29 when I had them and then swapped them out for heavier springs. Heavy loads and light recoil springs beat the guns up pretty bad.
Post by: KFhunter on January 29, 2019, 08:46:45 AM
I ran a S&W .460 through its paces deciding if I wanted that or the glock or something else. I was open to all ideas and ran as many bigger pistols as I could find.
Obviously I landed on the G20 but I'd carry a BFR too, I do prefer more rounds over less and quicker follow ups with a BFA
I like the new SIG 10mm, but it's spendy and less rounds but I bet it's sweet to shoot.
Post by: BKMFR on January 29, 2019, 08:57:04 AM
Post by: KFhunter on January 29, 2019, 08:59:31 AM
take that sucker down south and lay into some hogs!