Post by: Colin on February 07, 2019, 08:43:04 AM
Seems like prices tend to be Chevy high, Dodge middle and Ford lower.
Availability seems like Dodge high, Ford high and Chevy low.
Have a friend of a friend that's a diesel mechanic and plan to kick him a couple hundred bucks to give me his inspection prior to buying but since I'm so inexperienced hard to know what to look for. I have some time so just looking to get a little more educated. Trying to stay away from vehicles with 5th wheel package already and I think I'm basically looking for a stock truck with reasonable miles. Probably a lot of guys looking for the same tho...
Post by: Woodchuck on February 07, 2019, 08:44:22 AM
Post by: coachcw on February 07, 2019, 09:21:41 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 07, 2019, 09:25:03 AM
Post by: Stein on February 07, 2019, 09:31:44 AM
Can I ask why you want a diesel?
:yeah: The first rule of diesels is to only buy one if that is the only option unless you really want one and are willing to pay the cost up front and ongoing which is substantial to say the least.
Advances in gas engines has significantly closed the gap.
Post by: Colin on February 07, 2019, 09:50:39 AM
Can I ask why you want a diesel?
:yeah: The first rule of diesels is to only buy one if that is the only option unless you really want one and are willing to pay the cost up front and ongoing which is substantial to say the least.
Advances in gas engines has significantly closed the gap.
Looking to pull a dog trailer in the future and hard to look at expanding and getting a trailer without a truck to pull it. Ultimate goal is to pull a dbl axle car hauler with a ~1200 lb dog box and a ATV across the country (this is 5-10 years out) but smaller trailers building up to that. Seems unreasonable to ask that of a gas truck even if its built in a 3/4 ton truck.
I should mention that I'm not against waiting till the need absolutely drives me to upgrade. My 1/2 ton just rolled over 210K and I'm concerned about longevity as well as reliability for future cross country trips, towing or not. I guess the question of going diesel really comes down to if I spend $$$ in the next year to replace a 1/2 ton with another 1/2 ton that may only meet my needs for (2-3 years) or do I pay more up front but have a truck that will meet my needs for 3-7 years?
Post by: Woodchuck on February 07, 2019, 09:56:30 AM
I would suggest doing some research on some gassers first. That Ford Eco Boost puts down some impressive numbers. :twocents:Can I ask why you want a diesel?
:yeah: The first rule of diesels is to only buy one if that is the only option unless you really want one and are willing to pay the cost up front and ongoing which is substantial to say the least.
Advances in gas engines has significantly closed the gap.
Looking to pull a dog trailer in the future and hard to look at expanding and getting a trailer without a truck to pull it. Ultimate goal is to pull a dbl axle car hauler with a ~1200 lb dog box and a ATV across the country (this is 5-10 years out) but smaller trailers building up to that. Seems unreasonable to ask that of a gas truck even if its built in a 3/4 ton truck.
A diesel is probably close to 3 times as expensive just for regular maintenance. The only way to make one pay is if you are working the snot out of it day in and day out for lots of miles and hours.
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 07, 2019, 10:00:49 AM
I would suggest doing some research on some gassers first. That Ford Eco Boost puts down some impressive numbers. :twocents:Can I ask why you want a diesel?
:yeah: The first rule of diesels is to only buy one if that is the only option unless you really want one and are willing to pay the cost up front and ongoing which is substantial to say the least.
Advances in gas engines has significantly closed the gap.
Looking to pull a dog trailer in the future and hard to look at expanding and getting a trailer without a truck to pull it. Ultimate goal is to pull a dbl axle car hauler with a ~1200 lb dog box and a ATV across the country (this is 5-10 years out) but smaller trailers building up to that. Seems unreasonable to ask that of a gas truck even if its built in a 3/4 ton truck.
A diesel is probably close to 3 times as expensive just for regular maintenance. The only way to make one pay is if you are working the snot out of it day in and day out for lots of miles and hours.
Yearly maintenance on my diesel is about $150 per year.
Post by: Stein on February 07, 2019, 10:06:51 AM
1300 side by side atv
1200 dog box
1500 trailer
500 misc extra junk
4500 pounds which is less than half the tow capacity of an ecoboost 1/2 ton before you even jump to 3/4. You would have to watch tongue weight, but 4,500 is a very manageable load.
$150 a year maintenance is a pretty rosy prediction even if under warranty. Everything with a diesel is more expensive, both the engine as well as the heavy duty suspension. Brake rotors alone are what $500? The suspension, steering, etc seems to require much more frequent replacement. Essentially, the cost to maintain an F350 is nowhere near that on an F150 or even 250.
Great rigs that can pull the world, but at a cost that goes well beyond initial sticker shock.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 07, 2019, 10:08:29 AM
When we moved to AZ, I have a 2013 4wd, crewcab. We had a full sized camper, 20 ft cargo trailer loaded with our quads and other stuff and I could drive it 80-90 mph at 9mpg. That truck didn't skip a beat and it was a stock motor. I did put 285/70/17 tires I put on it.
Post by: Colin on February 07, 2019, 10:10:13 AM
I would suggest doing some research on some gassers first. That Ford Eco Boost puts down some impressive numbers. :twocents:Can I ask why you want a diesel?
:yeah: The first rule of diesels is to only buy one if that is the only option unless you really want one and are willing to pay the cost up front and ongoing which is substantial to say the least.
Advances in gas engines has significantly closed the gap.
Looking to pull a dog trailer in the future and hard to look at expanding and getting a trailer without a truck to pull it. Ultimate goal is to pull a dbl axle car hauler with a ~1200 lb dog box and a ATV across the country (this is 5-10 years out) but smaller trailers building up to that. Seems unreasonable to ask that of a gas truck even if its built in a 3/4 ton truck.
A diesel is probably close to 3 times as expensive just for regular maintenance. The only way to make one pay is if you are working the snot out of it day in and day out for lots of miles and hours.
I see your point! So I guess if I break it down super simple I have two routes to go.
1. I Spend around 30K to get into a nice used diesel that will cost me more for maintenance/parts/labor. Would probably not need a new truck for 5-10 years as far as capacity goes, if ever.
2. Replace my 1/2 ton with another 1/2 at half the cost of the diesel. Sell it for maybe half of what I bought it for in 3-5 years and then upgrade to diesel as hopefully the need justifies it a little more direly at that time.
Post by: Colin on February 07, 2019, 10:13:47 AM
That's not a bunch of weight to tow:
1300 side by side atv
1200 dog box
1500 trailer
500 misc extra junk
4500 pounds which is less than half the tow capacity of an ecoboost 1/2 ton before you even jump to 3/4. You would have to watch tongue weight, but 4,500 is a very manageable load.
$150 a year maintenance is a pretty rosy prediction even if under warranty. Everything with a diesel is more expensive, both the engine as well as the heavy duty suspension. Brake rotors alone are what $500? The suspension seems to require much more frequent replacement.
Great rigs that can pull the world, but at a cost that goes well beyond initial sticker shock.
My primary concern is the tongue weight as I want the dog box close to the hitch and depending on the trailer that could be reasonably distributed but pulling that amount of across country I'd think would burn up a 1/2 pretty quickly. No?
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 07, 2019, 10:27:01 AM
That's not a bunch of weight to tow:
1300 side by side atv
1200 dog box
1500 trailer
500 misc extra junk
4500 pounds which is less than half the tow capacity of an ecoboost 1/2 ton before you even jump to 3/4. You would have to watch tongue weight, but 4,500 is a very manageable load.
$150 a year maintenance is a pretty rosy prediction even if under warranty. Everything with a diesel is more expensive, both the engine as well as the heavy duty suspension. Brake rotors alone are what $500? The suspension, steering, etc seems to require much more frequent replacement. Essentially, the cost to maintain an F350 is nowhere near that on an F150 or even 250.
Great rigs that can pull the world, but at a cost that goes well beyond initial sticker shock.
Oil change twice a year, fuel filter once a year. I have 130k and have done the rear brakes once, rotors cost $75 per side, I don't recall what the pads cost because I bought them when Napa had the Seahawks super bowl discount. I've done a wheel hub assembly and that ran me about $150. Front brakes are still factory and they have life left.
In the future I will have to do ball joints and maybe tie rod ends but I did those in my '98 dakota as well.
I would suggest staying pre DEF and you will save a bit there. Ive bought 3 sets of tires that were more expensive than my Dakota tires so I guess there is that.
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 07, 2019, 10:35:04 AM
Post by: baker5150 on February 07, 2019, 10:58:28 AM
That's not a bunch of weight to tow:
1300 side by side atv
1200 dog box
1500 trailer
500 misc extra junk
4500 pounds which is less than half the tow capacity of an ecoboost 1/2 ton before you even jump to 3/4. You would have to watch tongue weight, but 4,500 is a very manageable load.
$150 a year maintenance is a pretty rosy prediction even if under warranty. Everything with a diesel is more expensive, both the engine as well as the heavy duty suspension. Brake rotors alone are what $500? The suspension, steering, etc seems to require much more frequent replacement. Essentially, the cost to maintain an F350 is nowhere near that on an F150 or even 250.
Great rigs that can pull the world, but at a cost that goes well beyond initial sticker shock.
Whats the difference between an F250 gas and an F250 diesel besides the engine/trans? Do they have different braking systems, running gear, etc?
I know our Dodge/Ram trucks are pretty much identical regardless of gas or diesel. Same truck, different motor/trans.
We see about a 25 to 30 percent increase in maintenance costs on our gas vs diesel fleet. But we also get WAY more life out of our diesel trucks/vans than we do the gassers. We also have less issues with the diesels.
The biggest issue we have, is how cheap our GM interiors are. Absolute junk. Granted, we are hard on them, but they don't compare at all to our Fords or Rams.
Post by: Stein on February 07, 2019, 11:42:56 AM
That's not a bunch of weight to tow:
1300 side by side atv
1200 dog box
1500 trailer
500 misc extra junk
4500 pounds which is less than half the tow capacity of an ecoboost 1/2 ton before you even jump to 3/4. You would have to watch tongue weight, but 4,500 is a very manageable load.
$150 a year maintenance is a pretty rosy prediction even if under warranty. Everything with a diesel is more expensive, both the engine as well as the heavy duty suspension. Brake rotors alone are what $500? The suspension seems to require much more frequent replacement.
Great rigs that can pull the world, but at a cost that goes well beyond initial sticker shock.
My primary concern is the tongue weight as I want the dog box close to the hitch and depending on the trailer that could be reasonably distributed but pulling that amount of across country I'd think would burn up a 1/2 pretty quickly. No?
In my mind, there are two ways to tackle the beast if you are doing something where the rig is a daily driver that occasionally pulls.
You can size it to be perfect to pull or you can size it to be adequate to pull. The first requires a bunch more money up front, to maintain and to fuel. The second is much more affordable and comfortable to drive but you may have some compromises in pulling, although this has really narrowed recently.
You can get a half ton ecobost that would be pulling less than half the rated capacity. They are clearly built to pull that load as long as the tongue weight is fine. I don't have one, but know several people that do and they all pull stuff in that ballpark and with 100% consistency say they perform excellent.
So, going that route you are going to get much better mileage all year, better comfort driving all year and very acceptable towing capacity in a rig that is cheaper to buy, cheaper at the pump, cheaper to insure, cheaper to license and cheaper to maintain.
Some people really want a big truck and it's America, so if that's the deal then by all means a guy should get what he wants. I only looked from a utility perspective and it just didn't make sense.
I was in a similar position, we are considering upgrading to a big boat in several years and decided 1) 5-10 years is a long time and that may never happen and 2) diesel trucks are a bunch of money and I ended up with a 1/2 ton that pulls my existing boat just fine.
My next truck just may be a used ecoboost, they seem to have an incredible following.
Post by: Woodchuck on February 07, 2019, 11:52:15 AM
Nailed it. :twocents:That's not a bunch of weight to tow:
1300 side by side atv
1200 dog box
1500 trailer
500 misc extra junk
4500 pounds which is less than half the tow capacity of an ecoboost 1/2 ton before you even jump to 3/4. You would have to watch tongue weight, but 4,500 is a very manageable load.
$150 a year maintenance is a pretty rosy prediction even if under warranty. Everything with a diesel is more expensive, both the engine as well as the heavy duty suspension. Brake rotors alone are what $500? The suspension seems to require much more frequent replacement.
Great rigs that can pull the world, but at a cost that goes well beyond initial sticker shock.
My primary concern is the tongue weight as I want the dog box close to the hitch and depending on the trailer that could be reasonably distributed but pulling that amount of across country I'd think would burn up a 1/2 pretty quickly. No?
In my mind, there are two ways to tackle the beast if you are doing something where the rig is a daily driver that occasionally pulls.
You can size it to be perfect to pull or you can size it to be adequate to pull. The first requires a bunch more money up front, to maintain and to fuel. The second is much more affordable and comfortable to drive but you may have some compromises in pulling, although this has really narrowed recently.
You can get a half ton ecobost that would be pulling less than half the rated capacity. They are clearly built to pull that load as long as the tongue weight is fine. I don't have one, but know several people that do and they all pull stuff in that ballpark and with 100% consistency say they perform excellent.
So, going that route you are going to get much better mileage all year, better comfort driving all year and very acceptable towing capacity in a rig that is cheaper to buy, cheaper at the pump, cheaper to insure, cheaper to license and cheaper to maintain.
Some people really want a big truck and it's America, so if that's the deal then by all means a guy should get what he wants. I only looked from a utility perspective and it just didn't make sense.
I was in a similar position, we are considering upgrading to a big boat in several years and decided 1) 5-10 years is a long time and that may never happen and 2) diesel trucks are a bunch of money and I ended up with a 1/2 ton that pulls my existing boat just fine.
My next truck just may be a used ecoboost, they seem to have an incredible following.
Post by: Colin on February 07, 2019, 12:11:56 PM
Nailed it. :twocents:That's not a bunch of weight to tow:
1300 side by side atv
1200 dog box
1500 trailer
500 misc extra junk
4500 pounds which is less than half the tow capacity of an ecoboost 1/2 ton before you even jump to 3/4. You would have to watch tongue weight, but 4,500 is a very manageable load.
$150 a year maintenance is a pretty rosy prediction even if under warranty. Everything with a diesel is more expensive, both the engine as well as the heavy duty suspension. Brake rotors alone are what $500? The suspension seems to require much more frequent replacement.
Great rigs that can pull the world, but at a cost that goes well beyond initial sticker shock.
My primary concern is the tongue weight as I want the dog box close to the hitch and depending on the trailer that could be reasonably distributed but pulling that amount of across country I'd think would burn up a 1/2 pretty quickly. No?
In my mind, there are two ways to tackle the beast if you are doing something where the rig is a daily driver that occasionally pulls.
You can size it to be perfect to pull or you can size it to be adequate to pull. The first requires a bunch more money up front, to maintain and to fuel. The second is much more affordable and comfortable to drive but you may have some compromises in pulling, although this has really narrowed recently.
You can get a half ton ecobost that would be pulling less than half the rated capacity. They are clearly built to pull that load as long as the tongue weight is fine. I don't have one, but know several people that do and they all pull stuff in that ballpark and with 100% consistency say they perform excellent.
So, going that route you are going to get much better mileage all year, better comfort driving all year and very acceptable towing capacity in a rig that is cheaper to buy, cheaper at the pump, cheaper to insure, cheaper to license and cheaper to maintain.
Some people really want a big truck and it's America, so if that's the deal then by all means a guy should get what he wants. I only looked from a utility perspective and it just didn't make sense.
I was in a similar position, we are considering upgrading to a big boat in several years and decided 1) 5-10 years is a long time and that may never happen and 2) diesel trucks are a bunch of money and I ended up with a 1/2 ton that pulls my existing boat just fine.
My next truck just may be a used ecoboost, they seem to have an incredible following.
All good points! I may be ordering more food than I can eat right now with the thought that I will want more in a few years. Would it be cost effective to buy a used 1/2 ton Eco and then transition to a 3/4 ton in 3-5 years or buy the 3/4 ton to start?
Post by: Woodchuck on February 07, 2019, 12:14:10 PM
Post by: JKEEN33 on February 07, 2019, 12:17:07 PM
Post by: BDildine on February 07, 2019, 12:18:59 PM
Gas rigs are pretty straight forward, especially if your someone that likes to do any of their own maintenance.
I drive a diesel because i haul a 28' TT, boats, tractors, dump trailers loaded with * insert project of the week* so i use it, but dont drive it daily.
just some perspective for ya
edited for clarification* The def tank is under warranty (so luckily its not on his dime), but with all the computer controls, the truck derates (and is worthless) until he gets the part
Post by: mtn muley madness on February 07, 2019, 02:09:56 PM
Post by: jmscon on February 07, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
That's not a bunch of weight to tow:
1300 side by side atv
1200 dog box
1500 trailer
500 misc extra junk
4500 pounds which is less than half the tow capacity of an ecoboost 1/2 ton before you even jump to 3/4. You would have to watch tongue weight, but 4,500 is a very manageable load.
$150 a year maintenance is a pretty rosy prediction even if under warranty. Everything with a diesel is more expensive, both the engine as well as the heavy duty suspension. Brake rotors alone are what $500? The suspension, steering, etc seems to require much more frequent replacement. Essentially, the cost to maintain an F350 is nowhere near that on an F150 or even 250.
Great rigs that can pull the world, but at a cost that goes well beyond initial sticker shock.
That’s because you are talking about Ford’s! :chuckle:
Look out of state as well. I bought a Dodge two years ago and flew to Colorado to get it because the trucks are that much cheaper. Long boxes are harder to come by and because of that more expensive. Utah, Idaho and Colorado seemed to have the trucks I was looking for when I bought mine. If you’re patient you can find trucks with under 100k for under $25k.
3/4 ton is the same suspension and brakes whether it’s gas or diesel.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on February 07, 2019, 07:01:22 PM
I went from a 1/2 ton gas to a 1 ton diesel last year. I have a commute car so only use the truck for towing or my off-road trips. Best thing I ever did. I towed with the half ton for 18 years. It does not come close to what the 1 ton can do. Gas you are constantly adjusting for the road conditions diesel, I set the cruise and let it do it’s thing. Over the pass, flat long haul stretches or whatever are easier driving. You also have the added stopping power. I will admit the maintenance and around town driving can get expensive. I wouldn’t go back to a 1/2 ton unless it was just a driving vehicle. Just my current, couldn’t be happier with the performance of my truck opinion.
I did the same thing last year as well. The heavier duty trucks just handle loads so much better. My 2008 Tundra would do fine up to about 7500 lbs but got plain scary after that. My 2500 Ram pulls 10.5k easily. Is my 5th truck since high school. If i could go back i should have started with a long bed 1 ton...
Post by: Mudman on February 07, 2019, 07:05:33 PM
Post by: Special T on February 07, 2019, 09:05:07 PM
Owning a 7.3 myself, and working on diesel stuff daily, i can tell you that diesels are awesome motors for longevity and torque/pulling power. the flip side is they are A LOT more expensive up front, look at a used gasser vs diesel, same year, mileage etc, the diesel will demand more $$. Also, when something goes wrong on a diesel, it can get expensive fast. In this age of all the EPA crap with DPF's, DEF, EGR etc, you can get into the thousands for repairs easily. My boss has a Duramax at the stealership currently, and the part (DEF tank heater) is like 2 week backlog at the factory (earliest eta).This is some great advise from a mech with nothing to sell you on. PAY ATTENTION!
Gas rigs are pretty straight forward, especially if your someone that likes to do any of their own maintenance.
I drive a diesel because i haul a 28' TT, boats, tractors, dump trailers loaded with * insert project of the week* so i use it, but dont drive it daily.
just some perspective for ya
edited for clarification* The def tank is under warranty (so luckily its not on his dime), but with all the computer controls, the truck derates (and is worthless) until he gets the part
if you have cash to burn and a commuter car have at it if not... buy a gas rig...
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Post by: Mudman on February 08, 2019, 09:15:21 AM
Post by: stlusn30-06 on February 08, 2019, 11:17:14 AM
If your budget is 30K, and your heart is set on diesel, find a low mileage, manual transmission, 94-981/2 Dodge 2500 from a no rust state. 12 valve, no emissions crap, mechanical injection, Bosch P7100 injection pump. Minimal maintenance, cheap injectors, minimal parts to break over time. The motor is good for a million miles. If you want additional power and torque you can get that in gobs for cheap as well. Some say the best diesel set up of all time. That said, you're buying a work truck. Not a Cadillac with tow capacity.
At that budget you could get a prime rig, upgrade the suspension/front end to compete with modern rigs, and be good to go the rest of your life with some cash left over to fix cracked dashboards and double sided tape down your door panels (the truck will fall apart before the drive-train does). Oh yeah, and make sure the dowel pin issue has been taken care of.
I had to scour the country for a year to find the one I wanted at the price I wanted, but I found it, and I have zero regrets.
Post by: huntnphool on February 08, 2019, 12:32:05 PM
Replaced the pads yesterday, took me 30 minutes and $44
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on February 08, 2019, 01:25:45 PM
Gonna throw an option out there that I doubt will be very popular, but it's what I personally did. Because reliability and cheap maintenance over everything else for me.
If your budget is 30K, and your heart is set on diesel, find a low mileage, manual transmission, 94-981/2 Dodge 2500 from a no rust state. 12 valve, no emissions crap, mechanical injection, Bosch P7100 injection pump. Minimal maintenance, cheap injectors, minimal parts to break over time. The motor is good for a million miles. If you want additional power and torque you can get that in gobs for cheap as well. Some say the best diesel set up of all time. That said, you're buying a work truck. Not a Cadillac with tow capacity.
At that budget you could get a prime rig, upgrade the suspension/front end to compete with modern rigs, and be good to go the rest of your life with some cash left over to fix cracked dashboards and double sided tape down your door panels (the truck will fall apart before the drive-train does). Oh yeah, and make sure the dowel pin issue has been taken care of.
I had to scour the country for a year to find the one I wanted at the price I wanted, but I found it, and I have zero regrets.
Great advice! Truly a workhorse drivetrain and tough as nails. The caveat is if you want the truck to haul anyone besides yourself and/or one other person. For cross country trips you will not have enough cab space to make it comfortable for the third wheel even with the extended cab. It's not a fun time getting kids in and out of car seats either if that's a concern. If your daily and car seats it gets old.
Post by: jackelope on February 08, 2019, 03:52:31 PM
I would suggest doing some research on some gassers first. That Ford Eco Boost puts down some impressive numbers. :twocents:Can I ask why you want a diesel?
:yeah: The first rule of diesels is to only buy one if that is the only option unless you really want one and are willing to pay the cost up front and ongoing which is substantial to say the least.
Advances in gas engines has significantly closed the gap.
Looking to pull a dog trailer in the future and hard to look at expanding and getting a trailer without a truck to pull it. Ultimate goal is to pull a dbl axle car hauler with a ~1200 lb dog box and a ATV across the country (this is 5-10 years out) but smaller trailers building up to that. Seems unreasonable to ask that of a gas truck even if its built in a 3/4 ton truck.
A diesel is probably close to 3 times as expensive just for regular maintenance. The only way to make one pay is if you are working the snot out of it day in and day out for lots of miles and hours.
Yearly maintenance on my diesel is about $150 per year.
You're doing it yourself then...or you're not doing proper maintenance. Or you don't put any miles on your truck.
Post by: jackelope on February 08, 2019, 04:01:14 PM
2 oil changes on a gas truck per year will cost you $100 ish. No fuel filters. No DEF.
If you do the work yourself this is a moot point. There's more oil in a diesel, but that's about it.
You can buy an F150 Ecoboost that is rated to tow 13,200 pounds.
A lot of my construction company customers are going away from diesel trucks because they don't work well for them when they start them in the morning and run them all day. It hurts their emission systems.
Front end stuff wears out on Dodge and Ford 3/4 ton and bigger trucks all the time. It's not cheap to fix. Not sure about Chevy's.
I used to want a diesel truck bad. Just have it so I can do whatever I would ever need to do with a pickup and not be limited. Now I don't want one. They're not worth it to me anymore as I don't really have a need for one.
Post by: baker5150 on February 08, 2019, 04:05:52 PM
Gonna throw an option out there that I doubt will be very popular, but it's what I personally did. Because reliability and cheap maintenance over everything else for me.
If your budget is 30K, and your heart is set on diesel, find a low mileage, manual transmission, 94-981/2 Dodge 2500 from a no rust state. 12 valve, no emissions crap, mechanical injection, Bosch P7100 injection pump. Minimal maintenance, cheap injectors, minimal parts to break over time. The motor is good for a million miles. If you want additional power and torque you can get that in gobs for cheap as well. Some say the best diesel set up of all time. That said, you're buying a work truck. Not a Cadillac with tow capacity.
At that budget you could get a prime rig, upgrade the suspension/front end to compete with modern rigs, and be good to go the rest of your life with some cash left over to fix cracked dashboards and double sided tape down your door panels (the truck will fall apart before the drive-train does). Oh yeah, and make sure the dowel pin issue has been taken care of.
I had to scour the country for a year to find the one I wanted at the price I wanted, but I found it, and I have zero regrets.
Great advice! Truly a workhorse drivetrain and tough as nails. The caveat is if you want the truck to haul anyone besides yourself and/or one other person. For cross country trips you will not have enough cab space to make it comfortable for the third wheel even with the extended cab. It's not a fun time getting kids in and out of car seats either if that's a concern. If your daily and car seats it gets old.
Great motor in an uncomfortable as heck truck. Rides like a forklift, and loud, god are they loud motors, but they'll run forever.
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 08, 2019, 04:12:01 PM
Ok back to the regular scheduled programming.
Post by: stlusn30-06 on February 08, 2019, 04:27:52 PM
Gonna throw an option out there that I doubt will be very popular, but it's what I personally did. Because reliability and cheap maintenance over everything else for me.
If your budget is 30K, and your heart is set on diesel, find a low mileage, manual transmission, 94-981/2 Dodge 2500 from a no rust state. 12 valve, no emissions crap, mechanical injection, Bosch P7100 injection pump. Minimal maintenance, cheap injectors, minimal parts to break over time. The motor is good for a million miles. If you want additional power and torque you can get that in gobs for cheap as well. Some say the best diesel set up of all time. That said, you're buying a work truck. Not a Cadillac with tow capacity.
At that budget you could get a prime rig, upgrade the suspension/front end to compete with modern rigs, and be good to go the rest of your life with some cash left over to fix cracked dashboards and double sided tape down your door panels (the truck will fall apart before the drive-train does). Oh yeah, and make sure the dowel pin issue has been taken care of.
I had to scour the country for a year to find the one I wanted at the price I wanted, but I found it, and I have zero regrets.
Great advice! Truly a workhorse drivetrain and tough as nails. The caveat is if you want the truck to haul anyone besides yourself and/or one other person. For cross country trips you will not have enough cab space to make it comfortable for the third wheel even with the extended cab. It's not a fun time getting kids in and out of car seats either if that's a concern. If your daily and car seats it gets old.
Great motor in an uncomfortable as heck truck. Rides like a forklift, and loud, god are they loud motors, but they'll run forever.
Hence the upgraded suspension. I'm not talking about a 6inch lift & mudders. I'm talking about gas shocks, springs and a more progressive leaf spring package. Would ride great. The 12s aren't crazy loud, the 24 valves were ridiculous. But def no comparison to today's rigs.
Post by: baker5150 on February 08, 2019, 04:54:39 PM
Gonna throw an option out there that I doubt will be very popular, but it's what I personally did. Because reliability and cheap maintenance over everything else for me.
If your budget is 30K, and your heart is set on diesel, find a low mileage, manual transmission, 94-981/2 Dodge 2500 from a no rust state. 12 valve, no emissions crap, mechanical injection, Bosch P7100 injection pump. Minimal maintenance, cheap injectors, minimal parts to break over time. The motor is good for a million miles. If you want additional power and torque you can get that in gobs for cheap as well. Some say the best diesel set up of all time. That said, you're buying a work truck. Not a Cadillac with tow capacity.
At that budget you could get a prime rig, upgrade the suspension/front end to compete with modern rigs, and be good to go the rest of your life with some cash left over to fix cracked dashboards and double sided tape down your door panels (the truck will fall apart before the drive-train does). Oh yeah, and make sure the dowel pin issue has been taken care of.
I had to scour the country for a year to find the one I wanted at the price I wanted, but I found it, and I have zero regrets.
Great advice! Truly a workhorse drivetrain and tough as nails. The caveat is if you want the truck to haul anyone besides yourself and/or one other person. For cross country trips you will not have enough cab space to make it comfortable for the third wheel even with the extended cab. It's not a fun time getting kids in and out of car seats either if that's a concern. If your daily and car seats it gets old.
Great motor in an uncomfortable as heck truck. Rides like a forklift, and loud, god are they loud motors, but they'll run forever.
Hence the upgraded suspension. I'm not talking about a 6inch lift & mudders. I'm talking about gas shocks, springs and a more progressive leaf spring package. Would ride great. The 12s aren't crazy loud, the 24 valves were ridiculous. But def no comparison to today's rigs.
A Carli suspension system would be awesome. about 10k, but you could jump the thing and not feel it.
Post by: yorketransport on February 08, 2019, 06:12:40 PM
Delivery companies have essentially stopped buying diesels for anything under a 24,000# straight truck because the new gas engines are just a better fit. I can buy a Ford F59 stepvan with a 6.8L V10 gas engine for about $13,000 less than a comparable Freightliner MT45 with a 6.7L Cummins. Both will get the same real world fuel economy (8-9 MPG) when loaded to 18-20,000# every day and driven by an experienced driver. The diesels cost more to maintain but will typically last longer; I plan on 200K miles from a gas engine and 300K from a diesel when properly maintained. That can offset the additional expense when you stretch it out over 10+ years.
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 08, 2019, 07:35:14 PM
I do my own maintenance, I do most of the proper maintenance (haven’t changed my diff oil or transfer case), and I’ve put 80k on it in 8 yearsI would suggest doing some research on some gassers first. That Ford Eco Boost puts down some impressive numbers. :twocents:Can I ask why you want a diesel?
:yeah: The first rule of diesels is to only buy one if that is the only option unless you really want one and are willing to pay the cost up front and ongoing which is substantial to say the least.
Advances in gas engines has significantly closed the gap.
Looking to pull a dog trailer in the future and hard to look at expanding and getting a trailer without a truck to pull it. Ultimate goal is to pull a dbl axle car hauler with a ~1200 lb dog box and a ATV across the country (this is 5-10 years out) but smaller trailers building up to that. Seems unreasonable to ask that of a gas truck even if its built in a 3/4 ton truck.
A diesel is probably close to 3 times as expensive just for regular maintenance. The only way to make one pay is if you are working the snot out of it day in and day out for lots of miles and hours.
Yearly maintenance on my diesel is about $150 per year.
You're doing it yourself then...or you're not doing proper maintenance. Or you don't put any miles on your truck.
Post by: jackelope on February 08, 2019, 09:47:31 PM
I do my own maintenance, I do most of the proper maintenance (haven’t changed my diff oil or transfer case), and I’ve put 80k on it in 8 yearsI would suggest doing some research on some gassers first. That Ford Eco Boost puts down some impressive numbers. :twocents:Can I ask why you want a diesel?
:yeah: The first rule of diesels is to only buy one if that is the only option unless you really want one and are willing to pay the cost up front and ongoing which is substantial to say the least.
Advances in gas engines has significantly closed the gap.
Looking to pull a dog trailer in the future and hard to look at expanding and getting a trailer without a truck to pull it. Ultimate goal is to pull a dbl axle car hauler with a ~1200 lb dog box and a ATV across the country (this is 5-10 years out) but smaller trailers building up to that. Seems unreasonable to ask that of a gas truck even if its built in a 3/4 ton truck.
A diesel is probably close to 3 times as expensive just for regular maintenance. The only way to make one pay is if you are working the snot out of it day in and day out for lots of miles and hours.
Yearly maintenance on my diesel is about $150 per year.
You're doing it yourself then...or you're not doing proper maintenance. Or you don't put any miles on your truck.
That’s how your maintenance is so cheap. Well done.
Post by: Mudman on February 08, 2019, 10:31:15 PM
Post by: dc on February 09, 2019, 06:03:10 AM
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Post by: jackelope on February 09, 2019, 11:06:09 AM
Whatever you do run screaming from any 6.0L Ford diesel. Don't know you'll see many for the requirements youre looking at but seriously run screaming. Have had a lot of Ford diesels in my work fleet and all have been great at regularltowing real heavy loafs except the 6.0. Those things are utter garbage.
If you have a 6.0 and want to make it so you don’t have to run screaming from it, look at the bulletproof diesel stuff. Billet aluminum egr and oil coolers don’t crack like factory ones do. Get all that done to one and you’ll be hard pressed to find a better ford Diesel engine. You can do egr deletes and stuff like that too, but that’s all essentially illegal so complications could arise. The only downside to that is you need to spend $5k to do it unless you have the knowledge and tools to DIY it. My 2 diesel techs both drive 6.0 trucks. We see 20+ trucks a day and these guys know what they’re doing.
Post by: Jpmiller on February 09, 2019, 01:43:18 PM
Whatever you do run screaming from any 6.0L Ford diesel. Don't know you'll see many for the requirements youre looking at but seriously run screaming. Have had a lot of Ford diesels in my work fleet and all have been great at regularltowing real heavy loafs except the 6.0. Those things are utter garbage.
If you have a 6.0 and want to make it so you don’t have to run screaming from it, look at the bulletproof diesel stuff. Billet aluminum egr and oil coolers don’t crack like factory ones do. Get all that done to one and you’ll be hard pressed to find a better ford Diesel engine. You can do egr deletes and stuff like that too, but that’s all essentially illegal so complications could arise. The only downside to that is you need to spend $5k to do it unless you have the knowledge and tools to DIY it. My 2 diesel techs both drive 6.0 trucks. We see 20+ trucks a day and these guys know what they’re doing.
Did also know a guy who had this done and it ended pretty much most of his issues (minus normal issues) but that's a hefty load to drop into a purchase cost for a poor factory design.
If you do have a 6.0 that's pretty much close to what the dealer will want to fix it back to "about to happen again" status with oem parts.
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2019, 02:06:39 PM
Whatever you do run screaming from any 6.0L Ford diesel. Don't know you'll see many for the requirements youre looking at but seriously run screaming. Have had a lot of Ford diesels in my work fleet and all have been great at regularltowing real heavy loafs except the 6.0. Those things are utter garbage.
If you have a 6.0 and want to make it so you don’t have to run screaming from it, look at the bulletproof diesel stuff. Billet aluminum egr and oil coolers don’t crack like factory ones do. Get all that done to one and you’ll be hard pressed to find a better ford Diesel engine. You can do egr deletes and stuff like that too, but that’s all essentially illegal so complications could arise. The only downside to that is you need to spend $5k to do it unless you have the knowledge and tools to DIY it. My 2 diesel techs both drive 6.0 trucks. We see 20+ trucks a day and these guys know what they’re doing.
Will egr/cat deletes be illegal after this year?
Post by: jackelope on February 09, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
Whatever you do run screaming from any 6.0L Ford diesel. Don't know you'll see many for the requirements youre looking at but seriously run screaming. Have had a lot of Ford diesels in my work fleet and all have been great at regularltowing real heavy loafs except the 6.0. Those things are utter garbage.
If you have a 6.0 and want to make it so you don’t have to run screaming from it, look at the bulletproof diesel stuff. Billet aluminum egr and oil coolers don’t crack like factory ones do. Get all that done to one and you’ll be hard pressed to find a better ford Diesel engine. You can do egr deletes and stuff like that too, but that’s all essentially illegal so complications could arise. The only downside to that is you need to spend $5k to do it unless you have the knowledge and tools to DIY it. My 2 diesel techs both drive 6.0 trucks. We see 20+ trucks a day and these guys know what they’re doing.
Will egr/cat deletes be illegal after this year?
Will it be legal to tamper with federal emissions parts?
It’s federal emissions standards compliance stuff.
Post by: jackelope on February 09, 2019, 02:10:55 PM
I don’t disagree with you at all, but if you have one and you don’t want to buy a new truck, a $5k investment is a small price to pay...especially for what you’ll have afterwards. Less all the emissions crap that fails, some say the 6.0 is one of the best Diesel engines ever. I don’t know enough to have an opinion on that other than what I’ve seen in our shop.Whatever you do run screaming from any 6.0L Ford diesel. Don't know you'll see many for the requirements youre looking at but seriously run screaming. Have had a lot of Ford diesels in my work fleet and all have been great at regularltowing real heavy loafs except the 6.0. Those things are utter garbage.
If you have a 6.0 and want to make it so you don’t have to run screaming from it, look at the bulletproof diesel stuff. Billet aluminum egr and oil coolers don’t crack like factory ones do. Get all that done to one and you’ll be hard pressed to find a better ford Diesel engine. You can do egr deletes and stuff like that too, but that’s all essentially illegal so complications could arise. The only downside to that is you need to spend $5k to do it unless you have the knowledge and tools to DIY it. My 2 diesel techs both drive 6.0 trucks. We see 20+ trucks a day and these guys know what they’re doing.
Did also know a guy who had this done and it ended pretty much most of his issues (minus normal issues) but that's a hefty load to drop into a purchase cost for a poor factory design.
If you do have a 6.0 that's pretty much close to what the dealer will want to fix it back to "about to happen again" status with oem parts.
It’s kind of a fact of life with Diesel engines in pickup trucks. If it’s not Ford egr coolers it’s Cummins injectors or injection pumps. Or it’s whatever goes wrong with duramax trucks. I think injectors there too. If it’s not one thing, it’s another. They all have “common” issues.
Post by: BDildine on February 09, 2019, 02:13:53 PM
Knowingly tampering/modifying/removing OE emissions equipment can bring a hefty fine if caught/convicted.
its your choice, i doubt anyone (especially on here) would turn you in, but thats the long and short of it
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2019, 05:48:50 PM
Post by: JWEBB on February 09, 2019, 07:18:28 PM
Post by: bullfisher on February 09, 2019, 08:42:15 PM
If you don't mind the emissions stuff, then the 6.7 Ford's and Dmax's are great rigs. The cummins 6.7 is still a great engine, they just don't do emmissions as well, though I have heard the newer ones are getting better.
Do not buy a 6.0L. Or even the 6.4L ford, no matter how bullet proofed someone says it is! :twocents:
Post by: Mudman on February 09, 2019, 11:07:40 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 10, 2019, 10:36:19 AM
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Post by: Special T on February 10, 2019, 03:00:55 PM
I have several customers that are going gas engines when purchasing new for work rigs. The big reason is down time. I have one customer with 5 diesel rigs and one is always in the shop for a sensor or some other emissions crap. Down time kills more than vehicle power or longevity because they are working rigs.
Be aware that if you do a delete other states have differing inspection laws and if deemed used for a commercial purpose it's a much bigger fine that for Joe Sixpack.
Your only other option is to buy a used pre emission truck and just budget dropping in a new motor and tranny when the time comes. My brother is currently working on a 7.3 crate build that is complete to replace on one of his work trucks with 350k. They dont get a new one because the upgraded motor and tranny is $better spent than new.
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Post by: Mudman on February 10, 2019, 04:54:08 PM
Post by: Matth on February 11, 2019, 11:50:50 AM
Just because something is rated for 'X' amount doesn't mean I'd necessarily feel comfortable hauling or towing anywhere close to that for long periods of time. It's all relative. 3/4 ton and 1 ton rigs are plain and simple built better and better equipped for hauling and towing. Suspension, brakes, calipers, rotors, frame, weight, engine, tranny, stock tranny coolers, etc. are going to typically be bigger, better, more capable. If you are talking about towing as long of distances as you are talking about I'd go 3/4 ton at least. Unless you like being hard on and replacing stuff more frequently. Most half ton's are quite capable, yes, but aren't built nearly on the same level for towing, pulling, hauling, stopping with a load, etc. That's why it's a half ton. I'd rather have slightly more truck than I 'need' just for the piece of mind alone. Sounds like what your end goal is in a truck suitable for your needs would be asking a lot out of a half ton. Couple of my buddies have 1/2 tons and tow things less frequently than I do with my 6 liter 2500HD, but still pull things. We've owned our trucks roughly the same amount of years (6-8) and have roughly the same amount of miles (120k-140k) and I haven't done brake pads on mine yet... they aren't even really close yet and they've about gone through 2 sets. And 1 has had to rebuild his tranny (3rd gear went out-the workhorse gear towing/pulling hills) and the other has a tranny that is starting to slip. Also, My 3/4 ton is the oldest of the 3 trucks by 3 years, (03'). Just stuff to think about. 3/4 ton duramax with an allison and you'll never look back. Rides like a sedan in town and pulls like a pissed off baby semi up the pass. Lower mileage 06' I would suggest. Just my opinion. Happy hunting!
I couldn't agree more. My pickup is rated to tow over 18,000, in combo over 26,000. I have maxed it out a couple of times, and it is not something i would advise doing regularly even to a 1 ton. I do however agree that the original poster can probably get by just fine with a 1/2 ton pickup at this point, but towing anything over 8,000 on a regular basis is not a good idea.
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2019, 12:16:48 PM
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Post by: baker5150 on February 11, 2019, 12:19:07 PM
I want to back up a couple things Jackalope and Yorke have said.
I have several customers that are going gas engines when purchasing new for work rigs. The big reason is down time. I have one customer with 5 diesel rigs and one is always in the shop for a sensor or some other emissions crap. Down time kills more than vehicle power or longevity because they are working rigs.
Be aware that if you do a delete other states have differing inspection laws and if deemed used for a commercial purpose it's a much bigger fine that for Joe Sixpack.
Your only other option is to buy a used pre emission truck and just budget dropping in a new motor and tranny when the time comes. My brother is currently working on a 7.3 crate build that is complete to replace on one of his work trucks with 350k. They dont get a new one because the upgraded motor and tranny is $better spent than new.
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Your brother should build a Fummins
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2019, 12:24:48 PM
He has thought about it but he is a certified Ford mech in addition to his other talents and the 7.3 was right in his wheelhouse when he worked at the dealership. The bugs have been worked out on that drivetrain so it's better just to replace it.I want to back up a couple things Jackalope and Yorke have said.
I have several customers that are going gas engines when purchasing new for work rigs. The big reason is down time. I have one customer with 5 diesel rigs and one is always in the shop for a sensor or some other emissions crap. Down time kills more than vehicle power or longevity because they are working rigs.
Be aware that if you do a delete other states have differing inspection laws and if deemed used for a commercial purpose it's a much bigger fine that for Joe Sixpack.
Your only other option is to buy a used pre emission truck and just budget dropping in a new motor and tranny when the time comes. My brother is currently working on a 7.3 crate build that is complete to replace on one of his work trucks with 350k. They dont get a new one because the upgraded motor and tranny is $better spent than new.
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Your brother should build a Fummins
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Post by: BDildine on February 11, 2019, 12:27:35 PM
Fummins are $$$, the kits are the cost of a engine most of the time, sometimes more if you buy "everything". And the time to do, count on spending LOTS of time in the garage, or having someone do it for you (more $$$)I want to back up a couple things Jackalope and Yorke have said.
I have several customers that are going gas engines when purchasing new for work rigs. The big reason is down time. I have one customer with 5 diesel rigs and one is always in the shop for a sensor or some other emissions crap. Down time kills more than vehicle power or longevity because they are working rigs.
Be aware that if you do a delete other states have differing inspection laws and if deemed used for a commercial purpose it's a much bigger fine that for Joe Sixpack.
Your only other option is to buy a used pre emission truck and just budget dropping in a new motor and tranny when the time comes. My brother is currently working on a 7.3 crate build that is complete to replace on one of his work trucks with 350k. They dont get a new one because the upgraded motor and tranny is $better spent than new.
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Your brother should build a Fummins
not saying dont do it, but if someone hasnt done the research and is aware of everything required along w costs, its a wake up call
Post by: Matth on February 11, 2019, 12:44:33 PM
I have ran a LOT of miles maxed out on weight with a 1 ton and trailer... the biggest issue is more maintenance and the need to drive slower with attention to other drivers. Imo trips 3-4 times a year with a modest load doesnt require a diesel, just working eletric brakes and a balanced load.
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I agree 100%. that is why i set an 8,000 lb cap, towing this amount with a 4700 lb vehicle on a regular basis is probably not a great idea. it is starting to sneak past modest for a 1/2 ton.
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2019, 12:56:25 PM
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Post by: Colin on February 14, 2019, 07:10:14 PM
@Colin what will you use the truck for most of the time?this question is really an application issue IMO. To me it seems like a gas 3/4ton is in your future. 2cWell right now I'd be using a diesel the same as a 1/2 ton for the next few years. I think that i got a little ahead of myself and should wait until my business grows and forces me to upgrade to a diesel and trailer. I plan to run my 1/2 ton till the wheels fall off or I'm forced to get bigger.
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Post by: jeffitz on February 25, 2019, 05:41:39 AM
What an awesome truck- 7.3 Powerstroke 6speed manual 4WD
Probably 100,000 is off-pavement abuse
300,000 miles and its had 2 clutches and one set of injectors (only major repairs)
Not sure what i will do when its gone but its still so strong im not even thinking about it. Its really a shame that these trucks cant or wont be built again.
Post by: huntnnw on February 25, 2019, 06:00:37 AM
Lot more to keep a diesel on the road than oil.
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Post by: Mudman on February 25, 2019, 10:02:31 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 25, 2019, 10:13:33 AM
Post by: Special T on February 25, 2019, 01:25:51 PM
@Colin what will you use the truck for most of the time?this question is really an application issue IMO. To me it seems like a gas 3/4ton is in your future. 2cWell right now I'd be using a diesel the same as a 1/2 ton for the next few years. I think that i got a little ahead of myself and should wait until my business grows and forces me to upgrade to a diesel and trailer. I plan to run my 1/2 ton till the wheels fall off or I'm forced to get bigger.
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if your combined GVWR Gross Vehicle Weight Ratig is above 16K lbs then you must go over scales and get a commercial vehicle # for your truck. This is a HUGE PIA that should be avoided if possible. Not to mention a commercial vehicle that is not a farm rig requires a CDL to cross the state line. that is over 10klbs GVWR. If the Truck is in the company name your screwed. If to tell th eofficer you are using the vehicle for commercial purposes your screwed (commercial vehicles have different definitons according to different states). ID has signs statein ghtat you dont need to scale under 26klbs but washington is 16k, but "intertsate commerce laws are different that states rules. It is very difficult to deal with many of these nuances.
Post by: Grit dog on February 25, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
And you're not going to wear it out with basically average use like you're planning.
I have and have had a few diesels, personal pickups, and many gas 1/2 ton company trucks that on average I've worked as hard or harder than my diesels.
If you want way more power and capability than you need get a diesel. If budget is part of the equation, get a 1/2 ton. Or if you put on a lot of miles, it might make sense to get a 1/2 ton diesel.
3-5 years from now, all the big 3 will have had a baby diesel for several years and there will be plenty of used ones and bet they're 100% sorted out.
Post by: Mudman on February 26, 2019, 07:31:46 AM
Post by: Jpmiller on February 26, 2019, 08:38:42 AM
Hold out if ya thinking of buying new trucks... The EV trucks will be hitting the market. The EV are so much superior in every way. Auto Co's better take warning and get on the ball or go out of business. Google the Rivian if ya curious!!! What an incredible truck.. If prices are comparable it is the end of diesel trucks. :twocents:
Interesting
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2019, 11:18:29 AM
Hold out if ya thinking of buying new trucks... The EV trucks will be hitting the market. The EV are so much superior in every way. Auto Co's better take warning and get on the ball or go out of business. Google the Rivian if ya curious!!! What an incredible truck.. If prices are comparable it is the end of diesel trucks. :twocents:
I had not heard about EV trucks so I googled it, sounds like they are coming very soon!
Post by: Special T on February 26, 2019, 11:24:12 AM
Hold out if ya thinking of buying new trucks... The EV trucks will be hitting the market. The EV are so much superior in every way. Auto Co's better take warning and get on the ball or go out of business. Google the Rivian if ya curious!!! What an incredible truck.. If prices are comparable it is the end of diesel trucks. :twocents:
I had not heard about EV trucks so I googled it, sounds like they are coming very soon!
Why do you thin the big 3 have nearly quit making regular cars?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 26, 2019, 11:55:03 AM
Hold out if ya thinking of buying new trucks... The EV trucks will be hitting the market. The EV are so much superior in every way. Auto Co's better take warning and get on the ball or go out of business. Google the Rivian if ya curious!!! What an incredible truck.. If prices are comparable it is the end of diesel trucks. :twocents:
I’d never buy one anyways, but the main investors are a deal killer for me. :twocents:
The company is privately funded, with the majority shareholder being a privately held Saudi conglomerate named Abdul Latif Jameel Company Ltd, which owns several green energy businesses and also distributes Toyota and Lexus vehicles in a number of countries, among other things.
This one is pretty good cool.
https://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/xt-truck
Post by: Mudman on February 27, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 27, 2019, 08:33:17 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 27, 2019, 09:30:05 PM
A Saudi oil magnate!! Invested in this EV? That is exactly my point. He is smart and recognizes the shift. Is our Liberal Bezos etc. any worse??
Yeah I’ve been to Saudi Arabia, they only like us for what we can give them, I’ll just leave it at that.🤔
Post by: huntnnw on February 27, 2019, 10:27:01 PM
Post by: Alchase on March 01, 2019, 08:10:55 AM
What do you think of this one?
2010 Ford F350 Super Duty Crew Cab Lariat Pickup 4D 8 ft
Price: $22,995.00
Year: 2010
Make: Ford
Model: F350 Super Duty Crew Cab
Odometer: 153961 miles
Engine: V8, Turbo Dsl 6.4L
Transmission: Automatic, 5-Spd w/Overdrive
Color: GREEN
This trunk looks immaculate, but that is about all my knowledge on Diesels, LOL
Post by: Encore 280 on March 01, 2019, 08:18:15 AM
Post by: Alchase on March 01, 2019, 08:42:49 AM
Heck of a good price, even seems a bit too low. I have the same thing in '09 with the manual 6 speed and 81k miles. I'm the second owner and have had it for just over 3 years now and no issues at all. That low of a price would make me skeptical. Car fax on it?
Not yet, it is three hours away in Texas, wondering If I should make the drive.
Which is better the 6.7 or the 6.4?
There is another 2015 Ford F-350 4wd Crew Cab Long Bed F350 6.7L Diesel - $22950 152133 miles
Not as pretty as the 2010, but newer?
Post by: Caseyd on March 01, 2019, 09:15:14 AM
Heck of a good price, even seems a bit too low. I have the same thing in '09 with the manual 6 speed and 81k miles. I'm the second owner and have had it for just over 3 years now and no issues at all. That low of a price would make me skeptical. Car fax on it?
Not yet, it is three hours away in Texas, wondering If I should make the drive.
Which is better the 6.7 or the 6.4?
There is another 2015 Ford F-350 4wd Crew Cab Long Bed F350 6.7L Diesel - $22950 152133 miles
Not as pretty as the 2010, but newer?
6.7
Post by: BDildine on March 01, 2019, 10:21:35 AM
Post by: Sandberm on March 01, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Hold out if ya thinking of buying new trucks... The EV trucks will be hitting the market. The EV are so much superior in every way. Auto Co's better take warning and get on the ball or go out of business. Google the Rivian if ya curious!!! What an incredible truck.. If prices are comparable it is the end of diesel trucks. :twocents:
So if I buy an electric truck and put a diesel generator in the bed that I plug it into can I still call it a diesel truck?
Post by: Encore 280 on March 01, 2019, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 01, 2019, 07:48:59 PM
Believe it or not there is diesel electric. :chuckle:
Bet that’s not cheap.🤔
This is probably cheaper.😉
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2017/08/29/take-that-tesla-diesel-engine-giant-cummins-unveils-heavy-duty-truck-powered-by-electricity/amp/
Post by: Encore 280 on March 01, 2019, 09:48:57 PM
Post by: Special T on March 02, 2019, 07:49:45 AM
The ferries are diesel electric.Many of the large vessels are now especially cruise ships.
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Post by: HntnFsh on March 02, 2019, 07:55:40 AM
The ferries are diesel electric.Many of the large vessels are now especially cruise ships.
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Locomotives have been for a long time.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 02, 2019, 08:02:50 AM
I would suggest doing some research on some gassers first. That Ford Eco Boost puts down some impressive numbers. :twocents:Can I ask why you want a diesel?
:yeah: The first rule of diesels is to only buy one if that is the only option unless you really want one and are willing to pay the cost up front and ongoing which is substantial to say the least.
Advances in gas engines has significantly closed the gap.
Looking to pull a dog trailer in the future and hard to look at expanding and getting a trailer without a truck to pull it. Ultimate goal is to pull a dbl axle car hauler with a ~1200 lb dog box and a ATV across the country (this is 5-10 years out) but smaller trailers building up to that. Seems unreasonable to ask that of a gas truck even if its built in a 3/4 ton truck.
A diesel is probably close to 3 times as expensive just for regular maintenance. The only way to make one pay is if you are working the snot out of it day in and day out for lots of miles and hours.
Yearly maintenance on my diesel is about $150 per year.
:yeah: Until something breaks. :yike: :bash:
Post by: Mudman on March 02, 2019, 09:30:37 AM
Post by: Tinmaniac on March 02, 2019, 11:11:31 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 02, 2019, 11:17:05 AM
My experience with diesel trucks is limited to 1.Early 07 2500 6 speed manual.I had it for 7 years.I bought it brand new.In less than 2 weeks it was on a wrecker going back to the dealer.That was the first of my 4 times riding in a tow truck because that Dodge was junk.That piece of garbage was in the shop 16 times in 7 years.The only thing good about that truck was the trade in value Toyota gave me on my new Tundra.5 years so far with the Tundra and zero problems and no tow trucks.
Not something you hear of often, Ford or Chevy, yes; but not dodges.
Post by: Tinmaniac on March 02, 2019, 11:32:36 AM
Post by: Mudman on March 02, 2019, 12:43:18 PM
I spent a lot of time in the lobby at the service shop and I can tell you that most of the people there were not happy with their Dodge.Didn't matter truck or car.Much different than when I am getting an oil change now.Was that truck a new 6.7 cummins?? I know there was many computer issues emission related in the first year or 2??
Post by: Tinmaniac on March 02, 2019, 12:58:06 PM
Post by: Mudman on March 02, 2019, 01:14:54 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2019, 01:40:10 PM
Well true. WHEN it breaks is the question. My Ford cost over $5k in repairs in 5 years. My Dodge cummins cost me about $800 in 5 years.. repairs. Ball joints, brake caliper and an alt.
If you add labor into those repairs because most people don’t fix their own vehicles, you’re probably pushing $2000.
How much of the upgrades you’ve done to your truck eliminate Cummins problems though too, and how much have you spent on those?
For every report like yours, there’s one that says the opposite. Working for Chrysler for 10years, I’ll tell you they break. Same goes for Ford. Same goes for Chevy. Same goes for Toyota. I have guys tell me all the time this Ford truck is the best truck they’ve ever owned. Same with Dodge. Same with Chevy. That’s why I crack up a little but when people preach the Toyota love. Who do you think has, by far, the biggest dealership service departments around here? Toyota. By double over the size of us. Last I knew the dealership in kirkland had over 30 technicians and 10 service advisors and they wrote 100 cars a day.
Post by: Mudman on March 02, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on March 03, 2019, 05:39:53 PM
Well true. WHEN it breaks is the question. My Ford cost over $5k in repairs in 5 years. My Dodge cummins cost me about $800 in 5 years.. repairs. Ball joints, brake caliper and an alt.
If you add labor into those repairs because most people don’t fix their own vehicles, you’re probably pushing $2000.
How much of the upgrades you’ve done to your truck eliminate Cummins problems though too, and how much have you spent on those?
For every report like yours, there’s one that says the opposite. Working for Chrysler for 10years, I’ll tell you they break. Same goes for Ford. Same goes for Chevy. Same goes for Toyota. I have guys tell me all the time this Ford truck is the best truck they’ve ever owned. Same with Dodge. Same with Chevy. That’s why I crack up a little but when people preach the Toyota love. Who do you think has, by far, the biggest dealership service departments around here? Toyota. By double over the size of us. Last I knew the dealership in kirkland had over 30 technicians and 10 service advisors and they wrote 100 cars a day.
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I see alot of light duty Toyotas with owners that treat them like heavy duties. Watched a guy blow up a tranny on one in under 10,000 miles towing a double axle dump trailer daily.
Post by: Stein on March 03, 2019, 06:27:03 PM