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Title: Oversize are coming
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 25, 2009, 11:32:47 PM: Its not to far away from another awesome year! nothing beter then a 10ft fish tailwalking behind the boat!!!
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Post by: fc2038 on March 28, 2009, 09:49:44 PM: yup love that time of the year! A little shad shack action and on down to the HOLE!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 29, 2009, 10:29:17 AM: l that is true.... I enjoy the peace of the lower river that time of year
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Post by: buckhorn2 on March 29, 2009, 11:54:40 AM: It was on the outdoor channel yesterday and they got in the water with the fish I think it was Gowdy. Showed pictures from around the fishery and beacon rock and on down below 85. It was a black and yellow boat they fished out of but did;nt catch the name. Hope they are getting some of the oversize eating sea lions out of there.
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 29, 2009, 07:18:47 PM: I saw that a few years ago, cant fish where they were at now
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on March 30, 2009, 06:29:47 PM: Our sturgeon fishery in the future will be seriously curtailed if we keep stressing the big females... Just something to think about...

I know some people don't care they want them big and now but think about what happens when a big hen reabsorbs her eggs...
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Post by: huntnphool on March 30, 2009, 10:42:08 PM: I agree, more needs to be done, relocation doesn't work.
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on March 31, 2009, 06:20:02 AM: We catch them accidently, nothing you can do about it. But i am not going to go out and purposely catch an oversize sturgeon. Not to hard to cath them or target them and if you do please use heavy enough gear to land them quickly with the least amount of stress.

When we used to fish oversize fish we would use the heavy tiger sticks, and 100 pound tuff line, i could land an 8-10 footer in 10-15 minutes. Hearing people fight them for an hour is absurd. I liken over size fishing to chasing a buck in the spring trying to get his antlers to drop, especially if the fish are moving up to bonneville to spawn. Why they still let people fish for them during the spawn is beyond me.
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 31, 2009, 09:01:55 AM: A Few reasons.... 1 you can close the whole river down that time of year, 2- even if you made it illegal to "target" oversize the numbers would not change much, ever put out a strip of shad trying to get a keeper? we all know what happens, and that is the ONLY bait that time of year those fish keeper or otherwise are really feeding on.... 3rd- if you use the right gear like stated above the fight should be no longer then 25 min.... the fish IMO are just fine.... this is nothing new and certainly not the reason for the sturgeon fishing going down the last few years.. id liken that to alot of other reasons first, remember years ago when we could fish at the dam for them as they were spawning? the numbers kept going up year after year.. not the oposite......
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Post by: huntnphool on March 31, 2009, 01:34:34 PM: I'm with you WDFWHM, I try to stay toward the mouth, less likely to hook a spawner and the fishing is still generally pretty good. Anyone that purposely targets these spawners, in my opinion, are part of the problem and should seriously think about the long term affects. :twocents:
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on March 31, 2009, 05:00:24 PM: Hoyt you can make a case to still fish for them and i will not ever agree. I do not use shad as a bait anymore. And i hook maybe 1 oversize sturgeon a year if any. I fish for keepers when i go so i focus around the estuary and the terminals near kelly point. I have other places but these are examples.

And opinions do not really matter in this case. There are studies that show that big spawning hens will reabsorb there eggs, so that 25 minutes of your plessure just ruined a spawner but in your opinion it is just fine i guess.

And the reason for the decline is the increased harvest and pressure because the salmon seasons have been crappy people have shifted there focus to sturgeon. Not to hard to see that. When they allowed people to fish the dam there was no problem because there were less sturgeon trips... Cant just look at one part of the issue. Illegal harvest doesn't help either. But you have to start somewhere.

Now the sea lions have joined in the harvest.

Sorry man not going to be part of the problem, i will help be a part of the solution so my son has the opportunity to take his kids sturgeon fishing.
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Post by: huntnphool on March 31, 2009, 05:13:27 PM: Well stated!!! :yeah:
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 31, 2009, 09:39:33 PM: I also agree that the pressure is much greater now that the salmon runs have gone down the drain, and the illegal fishing and sea lions dont help either... however I do not disagree that when those fish are hooked quite a few times they can reabsorb the eggs but I would certainly like to see more studies on this subject, considereing the sturg is the least studied and known fish that swims in our waters. I would also like to see a study showing the percentages that spawn and do not spawn. because I think anyone can agree that 99.9% of th fish that spawn at the dam have been hooked more then once on the ay up the river in the summer..... so if every single fish then reabsorbed the eggs then less then 1% of the females spawn annually.... and thats quite hard for me to believe... just like you I also want to fish for sturg for years and years to come
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on March 31, 2009, 09:50:09 PM: dude you really think 99.9% of the fish swimming up to spawn get hooked??? Really??? That means that if there are 100 fish over lets say 72 inches swimming to the dam to spawn every one of them gets hooked??? I will look for the info and post it. I know it is there. Over on Ifish there is a sturgeon BIO, i will ask her for some info.
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Post by: huntnphool on March 31, 2009, 09:51:58 PM: :lol4:
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 01, 2009, 06:24:11 AM: well lets see, since the spawning fish do 2 things in the summer. eat eat eat and swim.. yes id say a reallllly good number of them are hooked more then once from the estuary to the dam.. im just 1 boat and hooked almost 200 last year myself.. now times that by 100's of boats and the number gets big pretty fast..... then you have all the bank guys that hook numerous oversize a day keeper fishing etc..... maybe not 99% but im sure its a very high percentage...... so again Id love to see some more studies on these fish......
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Post by: rasbo on April 01, 2009, 06:46:11 AM: Ive wondered about how all the oversized fish that are caught, how it would affect them,I see people targeting them.how many are caught several times,then grabbed and pawed at for pics.Do sea lions take bites out of the while they are hooked.I went for keepers and we used herring no oversize were hooked. :dunno:
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Post by: huntnphool on April 01, 2009, 01:37:14 PM: Quote
im just 1 boat and hooked almost 200 last year myself.. now times that by 100's of boats and the number gets big pretty fast.....

Well I would consider you part of the problem then Hoyt, you actually go down to target those fish. I went down and fished 40+ days last year and only hooked 3 oversize fish, but still managed to fill most peoples cards after the river warmed.

You can deny it all you want but I tend to side with the fish biologists over a "guide" when they say it stresses the fish out up to and to the point of not spawning.

I'm not telling you what you can and can't do but don't come on here and point the finger at the sea lions, poachers, lack of F&G initiative etc. and then pretend that what you are doing has no detrimental affect on the fish :bs:
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Post by: boneaddict on April 01, 2009, 01:45:10 PM: I don't expect you to change any, but I'd have to agree with WDFWhates and Phool.
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 01, 2009, 07:30:58 PM: http://www.ifish.net/doc/Oversize.doc

Here is some good info.
From what i read it says that there are about 2500 oversize fish from portland to bonneville, and the hens will only spawn every 2 years or longer between spawning, some have waited up to 11 years between spawns. The males can spawn every year.

I guess i will leave it to others to ruin the breeding class.
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Post by: huntnphool on April 01, 2009, 07:34:05 PM: Good info WDFWHM, thanks for the link.
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 01, 2009, 10:09:49 PM: I really hope that you guyrs read all of that, if so then to me it says it "could" have a impact, a meteor also "could" hit earth at anytime.. the one stat that stands out to me is....6) It is generally believed that actively breeding adults are not feeding and are not very susceptible to line fisheries that use bait.. so with that general belief which is just as documented as the opinions already stated against the oversize fishery . then the fish that I and every other angler hooks on average are non breeding adults, so im curious to what way that might hurt the overall population? another stat ... . Between 2000 and 2002, 14% of the males observed were actively spermiating so just over 10% of the fish were spawning so with that lets say I hooked 150 in may/june so 17 of those fish were spawners and of those 17 maybe 1 or 2 did not spawn this year but will in 2 more years....... my point is at this point not enough info is available to really say one way or the other, I do know however if there was enough to support that the sport fishery is hurting the population then oversize fishing would be shut down in the summer.. that as of yet has not happened.... and Phool, your 3 oversize is not a great stat at all, if I recall you fish the estuary in the summer? all those fish are moving up river so it is no surprise you hook very few..... meanwhile the legal fish are moving back down, also no surprise you filled cards.... I caught 50+ keepers this fall at the dam and the same or more oversize well after they spawned and I was not targeting them...... its all in the water you fish, of course you know that.......
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Post by: hogsniper on April 01, 2009, 10:22:54 PM: Good info wdfw crazy to see the info behind those study's. In 2003 71% of the oversized fish had scars or hooks in them. Some hardy fish and cant wait to get back down and catch some next year!!!! Justin
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Post by: huntnphool on April 01, 2009, 11:16:19 PM: Quote
Phool, your 3 oversize is not a great stat at all, if I recall you fish the estuary in the summer? all those fish are moving up river so it is no surprise you hook very few.

But Hoyt, that is my point. I go down and catch plenty of keepers, filling most cards for the year and catch few oversize while doing it. If there is even a question, why would you choose to fish with whole shad, where the possibilty of hooking one of these fish exists, let alone target them? You claim to be a guide that relies on these fish as part of your income, if this is true how can you possibly support the targetting of these fish if there is any chance the biologists are right? :dunno: Unless of course you're simply looking at it from a short term, get mine while I can, finacial point of view.

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nothing beter then a 10ft fish tailwalking behind the boat!!!

Agreed, but when thats what you're targetting look in the mirror when it comes time to point the finger of blame. :twocents:
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 02, 2009, 05:42:17 AM: So hoyt you are O.K. with thew fact that you might have directly impacted 2 spawners because they might spawn again in 2 years??? Did you read the part where they might go 11 years between spawning?

Regardless of the studies people will read it and make there argument as to what it said to fit there point of view. I like to look at the number of fish hooked in the spawning period May-July versus the rest of the year. And the resulting decline in number of fish. I am only 32 and when i was a kid you could keep 2 or 3 fish a day from 36-72 inches every day. Now you have to have a law degree to figure out when you can keep a fish, and how big it must be. I think people are blind to the fact that in the last 20 years the impact of over fishing, and overstressing of the breeding population has been a detriment to the numbers in the lower river.

But i guess if you are making a buck off of it, or you are just having a jolly old time with it, then it should be allowed and no questions should be asked. And when they do shut it down i guess you could ask Osama for a handout and blame the netters on the decline of the population to feel good about yourself.
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 02, 2009, 04:25:38 PM: There also used to be 15 million salmon in our river and many over 100lbs..... back when it was 2 a day that was very poor managment, even less was known then.. I personally dont think the fishing for legal size fish has gotten any worse IMO.... since back then, sure the slot limits have changed.. but the numbers of fish to catch are still there.. so I dont think it has had as big of effect as some think, also I guess I should be pissed about you when you used to fish for them right? or the 3 incidental ones that Phool tied into? its all the same, you will hook them.... but to answer your question, No Im not going to stop fishing for them, nor is any other guide and plenty of recreational anglers..... you have your opinion based on very iffy facts at best..... this is liken to saying if bigfoot is real or not, there is some eviendece that says yes and plenty that says no...... you can choose to believe what you wish, with over 1 million fish in the columbia system alone, I dont think it will be bad anytime in thenear of far future......
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Post by: fishseeker on April 02, 2009, 05:21:16 PM: Hoyt, that's what we thought about Salmon and steehead in the 60s and 70s. Sadly we were very wrong :'(
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Post by: tmike on April 02, 2009, 05:49:03 PM: Fishseeker good point. Hoyt I know looking at Wild Steelhead verses Sturgeon is maybe comparing apples to oranges but for a second.. Look what's happening to the Wild Steelhead. Several years ago many of us may have been making the same argument about them as you are now about Sturgeon.
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 02, 2009, 07:11:36 PM: The reason they keep reducing the slot limit is what???

And yes, go ahead and be mad that i used to catch 50 undersize sturgeon in a day, WHEN I WAS 12...
I am an adult now and i am reasonable, and responsible for my actions.

I am not asking you to stop fishing, it will not help... Kind of like talking to a brick wall. Just trying to give some people some perspective.
Because people like you come on here and brag and spout off that you catch 200 oversize fish a year and don't care that it does effect the fishery when you multiply yourself time 10 or greater. I guess you must have missed that part in the study that said they had fish with multiple hook marks that had unviable eggs, i guess that was from something else though. Couldn't have been from stress...

Better get out there and get them while you can.
And Hoyt i am not picking on you, i feel strongly about this subject and will argue it with anybody.
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 02, 2009, 10:20:29 PM: Thats fine argue away, I love though when someone posts numbers on a forum its always bragging, how about just the truth? amd as far as the salmon in the 60's and 70's it was already really bad by then in comparison to what it once was.... they change the slot limits and days to make the seasons last longer.. we have a quota of fish... you know this, so in a effort to make the season last longer then 2 weeks.. they make it only 3-4 days a week, just like salmon this year, we caught 14k in 2 weeks last year, not much of a season for all of us, with it only being 4 days a year this year the season lasts longer. win win IMO........ and if i was to stop in reality what would that do? all the other people would still be fishing for them....
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Post by: huntnphool on April 02, 2009, 10:35:04 PM: Quote
and if i was to stop in reality what would that do? all the other people would still be fishing for them....

Buy if that statement doesn't show what kind of self centered, narrow minded person you are!!!
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 02, 2009, 11:11:06 PM: How does that make me self centered? If I stop doing something I love and many many people love because of some iffy facts...... what good would it do? the whole bitch about the oversize fishery is that it "may" effect spawning..... so if one boat stops is that going to stop every other guide and rec angler that also fishes for them during the summer? NO.. so in reality what effect would that have on anything? not a damn thing....... so how exactly is that self centered?
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Post by: M_ray on April 03, 2009, 12:33:20 AM: Quote
Thats fine argue away, I love though when someone posts numbers on a forum its always bragging, how about just the truth?
Hmm really???
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im just 1 boat and hooked almost 200 last year myself

Boy you should have been in that tournament you would have won it for sure! :rolleyes:

In your own words ... " how about just the truth?"
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Post by: Turkeyman on April 03, 2009, 12:42:12 AM: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 03, 2009, 04:59:37 AM: Quote from: M_ray on April 03, 2009, 12:33:20 AM
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Thats fine argue away, I love though when someone posts numbers on a forum its always bragging, how about just the truth?
Hmm really???
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im just 1 boat and hooked almost 200 last year myself

Boy you should have been in that tournament you would have won it for sure! :rolleyes:

In your own words ... " how about just the truth?"

how does catching oversize lead to winning a tournament for legal size fish? and if the numbers seem inflated you can ask any of the people on this site that fish with me..... we put 23 to the boat in a day and a half last year.... *censored*.... im braging again
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Post by: M_ray on April 03, 2009, 11:06:50 AM: Quote
*censored*.... im braging again
Yes you are :rolleyes:
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Post by: M_ray on April 03, 2009, 11:13:02 AM: Quote
how does catching oversize lead to winning a tournament for legal size fish?

Hey Einstien ... it means if you can catch 200 oversized you should be able to catch 3 keepers in a tournament that over 80% of the 280 boats didn't even have a leagal fish! But you know all those guys including me don't know how to fish as good as you so you should have been a shoe in! :rolleyes:
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Post by: fc2038 on April 03, 2009, 11:18:04 AM: :beatdeadhorse: To be honest to each their own... :twocents:
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Post by: huntnphool on April 03, 2009, 11:41:29 AM: Hey Hoyt, are you a guide registered in Washington or Oregon or both and do you have a website?
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Post by: JoeVon on April 03, 2009, 11:43:21 AM: If he was a "guide" he'd have some Coast Guard Certs.....maybe they are listed somewhere?
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Post by: M_ray on April 03, 2009, 11:49:24 AM: Quote
how does catching oversize lead to winning a tournament for legal size fish?

huntnphool and joevon beat me to it but ... I thought you said you were a guide? All of the guides I know of down there know of plenty of holes with leagal sized fish for their clients that want to take home meat! Are you only a guide for oversized fish? :dunno: sounds odd to me when most of the poeple want to bring home meat.
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Post by: JoeVon on April 03, 2009, 12:12:16 PM: I think that Hoytprostaffer ought' to kick some money into the site here and become a sponsor....It seems like thats what most other Legitamate Buisness Owners and Guides do.
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Post by: M_ray on April 03, 2009, 12:44:09 PM: No
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Post by: 300rum on April 03, 2009, 02:32:38 PM: Take it easy on him guys. I don't want you to run him off, I am learning so much.
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Post by: JoshT on April 03, 2009, 03:05:14 PM: Sweet topic guys I learned a lot... not. The way I see it... if there's a question about the mortality and spawning rate of these fish that are hooked... then lay off them. No need to go pissing in our own pool just so you can see a "10 fish tailwalking"... sounds like there's enough incidental hook-ups where this occurs... so enjoy those, and dont' target the potential spawners. It's akin to fishing nate steelhead on the reds, or hunting coyotes this time of year... it just ain't neccessary and it is potentialy harmful.

I propose a name change... how about "Hoytstaffinfection"... sounds about right.
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 03, 2009, 03:08:18 PM: Catching oversize sturgeon isn't rocket science. No it is not illegal, but it should be curtailed.

Just look at the study and it shows that in 2002 (most recent data) That 5000 fish were handled May-July, and 1500 the rest of the year... Hello shut it down from May-July from I-5 to bonneville. Pretty easy solution.

Estuary is still open, the big breeders are not being bothered on there spawning run. Looks like win win to me.
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 03, 2009, 03:09:51 PM: Josh some people need that ego boost, maybe it makes them feel better than everyone else...
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 03, 2009, 04:25:51 PM: Yes I am a registered guide, I just sent it my 09 dues.... my boat has been worked on for quite a while so I saw no need to spend the $$ and get no use out of it at the moment... yes I also have my 6 pack coast guard license as required to operate on coast guard water ways.. guide insurance and everything! oversize fishing has nothing to do with a ego boost.. nothing is more fun then those fish.. IMO.. and as far as the keepers go... I have no problem fishing for those... when I take clients/ freinds out in the summer I give them the choice... I had 2 keeper trips last summer.. guess what the rest were?
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Post by: JoshT on April 03, 2009, 04:28:43 PM: Quote from: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 03, 2009, 03:09:51 PM
Josh some people need that ego boost, maybe it makes them feel better than everyone else...

I hear you...

I could go out next month and pound 15-20 coyotes in a weekend, it ain't illegal... and some may even encourage it. But... it does damage to the population, and as someone who loves to hunt coyotes I understand what that damage is. Anyone who's even moderately educated on the subject could see your point... but this is hoyt here... so logic never prevails.
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Post by: JoeVon on April 03, 2009, 04:31:31 PM: Hoyt, out of curiosity, do you guide for yourself or under another guys name?
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Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 03, 2009, 04:48:25 PM: I have a few buddies that guide and none of them chase oversize sturgeon, they like to eat them to much to ruin the spawners.

I liken it also to hunting but not eating what you harvest...I guess it is stupid to try and explain logic to a brick wall... All i was getting at was education, and the more people you edujucate on the subject the more will know about it.
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 03, 2009, 05:11:04 PM: For myself, why would I guide under someone elses name?
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Post by: JoeVon on April 03, 2009, 05:15:33 PM: Was just curious if you had your own boat and what not.
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Post by: M_ray on April 05, 2009, 08:58:22 AM: Quote from: JoeVon on April 03, 2009, 04:31:31 PM
Hoyt, out of curiosity, do you guide for yourself or under another guys name?

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For myself, why would I guide under someone elses name?

Boy you are a Genius aren't you? (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fdarwin%2F2.gif&hash=e304e9c4d5556e13609fef57c11646c41347af3f) You know guides and outfitters do hire people to guide for them it really isn't that unreasonable of a question :rolleyes:
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Post by: Antlershed on April 05, 2009, 10:03:00 AM: Quote from: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 03, 2009, 05:11:04 PM
For myself, why would I guide under someone elses name?
Because you used to, which is how you got the bad rep to start with over on GF.
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Post by: M_ray on April 05, 2009, 12:21:11 PM: Quote
Are you only a guide for oversized fish? sounds odd to me when most of the poeple want to bring home meat.

Still haven't answered the question??? Hmmm ... someone has been very quiet! :dunno:
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Post by: M_ray on April 05, 2009, 12:28:49 PM: Quote
and if the numbers seem inflated you can ask any of the people on this site that fish with me..... we put 23 to the boat in a day and a half last year.... *censored*.... im braging again

Hmm ... :rolleyes: I did ask and their version of the story is much different than yours! :fishin:
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 05, 2009, 12:32:50 PM: Quote from: Antlershed on April 05, 2009, 10:03:00 AM
Quote from: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 03, 2009, 05:11:04 PM
For myself, why would I guide under someone elses name?
Because you used to, which is how you got the bad rep to start with over on GF.

I never guided under his name, I ran his boat at the time, slightly different..... still had all my own licenses etc.. just not the boat back then
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Post by: M_ray on April 05, 2009, 12:38:01 PM: Quote
we put 23 to the boat in a day and a half last year

Wow you are good! At a minimum of an hour fight on those big oversized buggers you must have practically had a fish on for the entire day and a half!
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 05, 2009, 12:41:34 PM: Quote from: M_ray on April 05, 2009, 12:21:11 PM
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Are you only a guide for oversized fish? sounds odd to me when most of the poeple want to bring home meat.

Still haven't answered the question??? Hmmm ... someone has been very quiet! :dunno:

IN fact I did answer your question, its not my fault you dont look close enough to see your answer... but again I guide for keepers, salmon and steelhead as well...... as far as asking people, I have only fished with 2 people off this site.. 1 was in the fall for KEEPERS and he took home 2 huge 59in fish... the other fished oversize in the summer, we put 23 to the boat in 2 days his first trip down, then he fished oversize in the august and we caught 6 that day I believe then he came down twice for keepers in the fall and caught his fish both times and came down 2 or 3 times for summer steelhead and also caught his fish......
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Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 05, 2009, 12:45:00 PM: Quote from: M_ray on April 05, 2009, 12:38:01 PM
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we put 23 to the boat in a day and a half last year

Wow you are good! At a minimum of an hour fight on those big oversized buggers you must have practically had a fish on for the entire day and a half!

where did you get that number from? that statement shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge on these fish..... most fights with proper gear are in the 15-35 min range.... a long one will be 45 min....... I have a youtube video of a buddy of mine landing a 7 ftr in 10 min..... if you have proper gear and dont fight them like a girl and actually work.. they can be landed in a very quick manner for a fish of that size/strength....
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Post by: jackelope on April 05, 2009, 02:23:26 PM: and people wonder why we lock or nuke threads once in a while....

:dunno:
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Post by: M_ray on April 05, 2009, 02:37:45 PM: Quote
that statement shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge on these fish.

Haha that's funny! ... I'm not the one who claimed I knew anything about these fish I am just stateing what I know and I never asked what type of gear you used did I??? And I'm not the one claiming how many I caught ... So if I'm ignorant what do you call a guy that makes claims that may not be entirely accurate???

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as far as asking people, I have only fished with 2 people off this site.

There you go again :rolleyes: not entirely true huh? Your forgetting some other people and their version is entirely different and I have been awfully nice not going into the details, having said that I can see you are the type that doesn't remember those days that you don't boat a fish vs. the good days! Look I'm just busting your chops because most won't so don't get your panties in a knot I never said you couldn't catch a fish ... Toot your horn all you want pal your gaining lot's of new clients.
Title: Re: Oversize are coming
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 05, 2009, 07:40:33 PM: Quote from: jackelope on April 05, 2009, 02:23:26 PM
and people wonder why we lock or nuke threads once in a while....

:dunno:

Crazy I know, and yet the other moderators are the ones saying all the *censored*.... crazy
Title: Re: Oversize are coming
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 05, 2009, 07:52:46 PM: Quote from: M_ray on April 05, 2009, 02:37:45 PM
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that statement shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge on these fish.

Haha that's funny! ... I'm not the one who claimed I knew anything about these fish I am just stateing what I know and I never asked what type of gear you used did I??? And I'm not the one claiming how many I caught ... So if I'm ignorant what do you call a guy that makes claims that may not be entirely accurate???

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as far as asking people, I have only fished with 2 people off this site.

There you go again :rolleyes: not entirely true huh? Your forgetting some other people and their version is entirely different and I have been awfully nice not going into the details, having said that I can see you are the type that doesn't remember those days that you don't boat a fish vs. the good days! Look I'm just busting your chops because most won't so don't get your panties in a knot I never said you couldn't catch a fish ... Toot your horn all you want pal your gaining lot's of new clients.

You are stating what you "know" yet that info is completely inaccurate...and stating that my number of fish is not possible because of said info.. what would you define that as? unless there are more people on this site then I am aware of it has been 3, not 2.. i forgot one.. and of course everyday isnt a limit but more times then not they are... as far as the oversize go, regardless of anyone elses opinion I have never had a day without boating at least 1... and that is a reallly bad day.... most are 5-10 when I am fishing for just them.. in the fall we usually get 1-5 a day along with keeper fish.. its the best of both worlds really.. as far as the oversize debate goes, for me until there is SOLID evidence that states the recreational fishing has a adverse effect on spawning fish I will continue to enjoy it, if and thats a BIG if IMO that day comes I will stop fishing for them and target them above the dam which also has great fishing for them, or in august after they are done spawining, and if you have good bait or get floater shad that is arguably the best oversize fishing to be found anywhere.. I have no reason to "inflate" my numbers of fish... I catch what I do and if that seems boastful then im sorry.. im not the best, but im certainly not the worst either when it comes to fishing.. so you can make your own call on that, I however dont judge or assume much from a online forum.. I prefer to actually get to know the person before I make statments or opinions on them.... but thats just me.... I tell it like it is from my POV and sadly many people cant understand or accept it..
Title: Re: Oversize are coming
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 05, 2009, 09:10:48 PM: SO on GF do you go by CRG??? Just wondering because we have a few PM's over the last few years???
Title: Re: Oversize are coming
Post by: Antlershed on April 05, 2009, 09:12:07 PM: Quote from: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 05, 2009, 09:10:48 PM
SO on GF do you go by CRG??? Just wondering because we have a few PM's over the last few years???
Yes he does.
Title: Re: Oversize are coming
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on April 05, 2009, 09:20:26 PM: I used to back in the day, thats before I realized just how great of a guy that person was and stopped associating with him... since that time I have bought my own boat etc.... and he can keep on doing his thing and I will do mine..
Title: Re: Oversize are coming
Post by: HawkenBob on April 07, 2009, 06:59:18 AM: Paul, if you got rid of your dumb ass, god like ego, your boasting posts, your wanna be attitude people might actually like you.
Its hard to stand you on a forum, let alone who would pay to play and have to listen to your wanna be crap ALL FRIGGIN DAY, You were/are the same way on every site. Get over yourself, your not that good. And your not that special.

And fix your wanna be name, drives me nuts cause you aint NO prostaffer for Hoyt. Wannabeprostaffer should be your name. Or you could use GODLIKEPROSTAFFER. That would sum it all up.

For crying out loud, how hard is it to figure yourself out?
Title: Re: Oversize are coming
Post by: JoshT on April 07, 2009, 07:30:47 AM: Quote from: HawkenBob on April 07, 2009, 06:59:18 AM
And fix your wanna be name, drives me nuts cause you aint NO prostaffer for Hoyt. Wannabeprostaffer should be your name. Or you could use GODLIKEPROSTAFFER.

I just marked this day on my calendar... because HawkenBob and I actually agree on something, let's not make a habit of this.

I proposed "hoytstaffinfection"... I still think that sums it up best... that name shows no MERSA :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Oversize are coming
Post by: jackelope on April 07, 2009, 07:47:06 AM: this thread is locked....going in the wrong direction. the only reason i am leaving it here and not nuking it completely is for some of the good content.