Post by: Bwana Bob on February 14, 2019, 09:54:50 AM
Post by: headshot5 on February 14, 2019, 09:58:26 AM
I-4064 is great for 150's.
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2019, 10:01:52 AM
Post by: Stein on February 14, 2019, 10:43:17 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 14, 2019, 10:47:27 AM
Post by: zwickeyman on February 14, 2019, 10:50:38 AM
Post by: Bwana Bob on February 14, 2019, 11:40:41 AM
Post by: Stein on February 14, 2019, 12:59:29 PM
IMR4350
Why this over H4350? Slight hijack, but I've been looking at changing powder if for no other reason than to do more loading and shooting this summer.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 14, 2019, 01:18:45 PM
both are fantastic powders but the IMR is just easier to come by.IMR4350
Why this over H4350? Slight hijack, but I've been looking at changing powder if for no other reason than to do more loading and shooting this summer.
Post by: wheels on February 14, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
Post by: Matth on February 14, 2019, 02:19:15 PM
Post by: Bwana Bob on February 14, 2019, 02:32:59 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2019, 03:31:32 PM
Post by: Stein on February 14, 2019, 03:34:55 PM
Post by: Bwana Bob on February 14, 2019, 06:51:04 PM
My friend doesn't have the skills to shoot much past 150 yd. I need him to develop an accurate load with those 165 gr bullets and then get his butt down to the range and shoot off his shooting sticks and some field positions so he will be confident to make shots out to 250 yd.
I helped him get his first elk, a cow in the Clockum. We stalked to 225 yd of some cows and he didn't have the confidence to shoot one of them even though he was sitting and shooting off his sticks. I told him I was going to shoot one of them and fill my tag. I killed one and he helped me pack it out. I told him he go his chance and in WA, THIS IS ALL YOU CAN HOPE FOR. Well BY THE GRACE OF THE HUNTING God's he got a chance at them again in the same draw I killed mine the day before, this time in his comfort zone of < 100 yd. He killed his first elk with the hand loads I helped him build,150gr SGK. Ya I know a sierra game king. I told him a 165 gr bullet may be a better choice for both a deer and elk bullet, KISS.
Latter he told me he felt bad not shooting the day before after all the work I did to get him on elk and then he realized all the stuff I was telling him about to practice / practice / practice. I think it sunk in
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 14, 2019, 09:27:00 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on February 15, 2019, 04:27:24 AM
Post by: andersonjk4 on February 15, 2019, 06:02:50 AM
If I were setting this up, I'd buy an 8lb of IMR4350 and not worry about it
:yeah:
I’ve been reloading 165’s in the .30-06 for 20+ years for 3 different rifles. Between 56 and 56.5 grains of IMR4350 has been money in all three. Shooting Sierra 165 BTSP and Nosler 165 Ballistic tips. Rifles are a 40+ year old Sako, Browning A-bolt and a Weatherby Vanguard. All easily shoot sub-moa. For full disclosure I have not tried any other powders in an 06, but I’ve also never needed to with the results I’ve had.
Post by: Matth on February 15, 2019, 08:03:25 AM
Bamm find one that works, and stick with it. I like your styleIf I were setting this up, I'd buy an 8lb of IMR4350 and not worry about it
:yeah:
I’ve been reloading 165’s in the .30-06 for 20+ years for 3 different rifles. Between 56 and 56.5 grains of IMR4350 has been money in all three. Shooting Sierra 165 BTSP and Nosler 165 Ballistic tips. Rifles are a 40+ year old Sako, Browning A-bolt and a Weatherby Vanguard. All easily shoot sub-moa. For full disclosure I have not tried any other powders in an 06, but I’ve also never needed to with the results I’ve had.
Post by: MeatMissile on February 15, 2019, 10:58:21 AM
Post by: Bwana Bob on March 13, 2019, 09:54:16 AM
My friend came over last evening for hopefully his last reloading tutorial from me. He had to trim the 40 once fired case he had and it took way to long for him to get the overall max length from his Stony point Comparator. There a bit tricky to use if you never used one. We finally got those measurements for the 165 gr Sierra GK and Hornady btsp he's going to shoot. I had him buy some more IMR 4350 and some RL 16. We will load these up tonight with both bullets 0.020 off the lands. His 150 gr bullets shot well with this jump to the rifling.
His rifle shot the 150's under an inch so I think I can do the same with the 165'd but an 1 1/4 inch group will be acceptable for now. I didn't want to numb his mind with trying different seating depths and and adj his sizing die for less case stretch, KISS for now. To his credit, he did watch a bunch of U tube on reloading and read the beginning of his reloading book on how to reload.
We plan to shoot his reloads on Fri. I may borrow a lead sled to keep him a bit steadier. what do you guys feel about using this?
For all my vast knowledge on reloading, since 1966, he owes me. So I'm hoping I can piggy back on his WY antelope and deer points in the future. I gave him info on two areas I hunted WY antelope and he killed a buck both time, but for the life of me, I can't believe he couldn't fill his two antelope doe tags in an area that had tons of animals in it? :dunno:
At the very least he owes me some salmon fishing trips in the sound
Post by: Bwana Bob on March 18, 2019, 09:03:03 AM
Thank for the advice.
Post by: Bill W on March 18, 2019, 09:16:45 AM
Thanks guys for all the input. It looks like IMR 4350 will get a good workout with those 165gr bullets. 4350 gave the best accuracy with the 150 bullets I loaded for him. I'm not trying to reach the absolute highest vel for his loads, I just want to use powders that have the potetial to do so with good accuracy
My friend doesn't have the skills to shoot much past 150 yd. I need him to develop an accurate load with those 165 gr bullets and then get his butt down to the range and shoot off his shooting sticks and some field positions so he will be confident to make shots out to 250 yd.
I helped him get his first elk, a cow in the Clockum. We stalked to 225 yd of some cows and he didn't have the confidence to shoot one of them even though he was sitting and shooting off his sticks. I told him I was going to shoot one of them and fill my tag. I killed one and he helped me pack it out. I told him he go his chance and in WA, THIS IS ALL YOU CAN HOPE FOR. Well BY THE GRACE OF THE HUNTING God's he got a chance at them again in the same draw I killed mine the day before, this time in his comfort zone of < 100 yd. He killed his first elk with the hand loads I helped him build,150gr SGK. Ya I know a sierra game king. I told him a 165 gr bullet may be a better choice for both a deer and elk bullet, KISS.
Latter he told me he felt bad not shooting the day before after all the work I did to get him on elk and then he realized all the stuff I was telling him about to practice / practice / practice. I think it sunk in
Bob, remember the days when any shots over 300 yards were long shots. I still have that pic when we went 4 for 4 on the high hunt opener.
Post by: Bwana Bob on March 18, 2019, 09:49:11 AM
I'll probably try to get a WY deer and antelope tag this year but I have no deer points and just 2 antelope points so a long shot on drawing at best.
I've been lucky and shot almost all my big game animals under 300 yd with maybe 2 going over an honest 300 yd. If I had to take an average yardage it would be some where close to 225 yd for my average shot and that includes 14 antelope bucks I've killed.
Ya gone are the day of $12 shot and cheap out of state deer tags but getting older is sure harder to deal with.
I hope all is well with you.
Are the lakes thawing yet?
bob