Post by: ljsommer on February 18, 2019, 10:28:09 AM
That out of the way, I am hoping to do an OTC Elk/Deer hunt in 2020. I am approaching this one-step at a time, starting with dates.
1. Is 10 days suitable? Trying to balance PTO with dedicating sufficient time to the experience
2. What dates should I put down for my calendar and for planning purposes with friends?
Again, I am a new hunter (2 seasons in) and haven't ever hunted out of state so any advice would be great, but I do want to at least get started with ideal dates to take off work.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 18, 2019, 10:29:15 AM
Post by: ljsommer on February 18, 2019, 10:34:59 AM
Deer or Elk ? Bow or Rifle ?
Both deer and elk (I believe theres season overlap) with a focus on elk, and rifle.
Post by: Antlershed on February 18, 2019, 11:22:56 AM
Yes, lots of areas have partial season overlap. 10 days is a fairly tight window to tag out on both, but it’s definitely possible.Deer or Elk ? Bow or Rifle ?
Both deer and elk (I believe theres season overlap) with a focus on elk, and rifle.
Post by: ljsommer on February 18, 2019, 12:55:04 PM
Yes, lots of areas have partial season overlap. 10 days is a fairly tight window to tag out on both, but it’s definitely possible.Deer or Elk ? Bow or Rifle ?
Both deer and elk (I believe theres season overlap) with a focus on elk, and rifle.
Thank you! I could probably push out to 14 days. What would be good dates to aim for? Opener? I am trying to drag my buddies along and I want to give them dates to work with =)
Post by: blackpowderhunter on February 18, 2019, 12:56:05 PM
are you trying to concentrate on elk, with a chance opportunity at deer? what are you wanting to hunt for, the experience, the meat, the trophy?
tagging out on both would be a lot of work, and a lot of meat to process, deal with, and transport back.
In idaho, you can shoot a "lesser" animal with a tag..what that means is, you could just buy your OTC elk tag, and theoretically shoot a deer with it.
out of state license is 154, elk tag is 416, deer tag is another 300.
i would start by picking the area you'd like to hunt, and research seasons and tags.
most elk zones have limited non res OTC tags, and some sell out EXTREMELY fast.
with regards to time.. obviously more is better.
depending on how far you are traveling, what your camp situation is etc..figure at least 1 day to travel there, and 1 day to travel home, with camp set up and tear down.
if/when you shoot an elk, that can be an entire day if not more of work to find, pack out, and process.
not trying to dissuade you at all, it's just good to be as realistic as possible, especially with hunting a new state, or even a new GMU within washington.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 18, 2019, 01:11:34 PM
I'd reccomend a deer tag. Either plan mule deer in October or whitetail in November. Looking for the best OTC deer and elk unit will get you neither.
Post by: ljsommer on February 18, 2019, 01:14:16 PM
are you trying to concentrate on elk, with a chance opportunity at deer?Yes, exactly. That was the plan. I have spent so much time hunting unsuccessfully that I figured the more tags in my pocket the better =)
what are you wanting to hunt for, the experience, the meat, the trophy?You nailed it, in order of priorities: Fun/exotic (to me, a west-side Washingtonian) location and experience, meat, and lastly trophy.
In idaho, you can shoot a "lesser" animal with a tag..what that means is, you could just buy your OTC elk tag, and theoretically shoot a deer with it.I didn't know that! Good info.
Post by: ljsommer on February 18, 2019, 01:16:05 PM
Tough love here but I wouldn't recommend somebody who hasn't killed a big game animal do this.
I'd reccomend a deer tag. Either plan mule deer in October or whitetail in November. Looking for the best OTC deer and elk unit will get you neither.
Thank you for your input, but I am a new hunter (perhaps always will be "new"?) with no friends or family who hunt, so I am having to make my own way here. Half of these forums say "Get the hell out of Washington and hunt out of state if you want a better hunt experience/odds" so, here I am trying to figure it out.
Post by: blackpowderhunter on February 18, 2019, 01:21:52 PM
if you're looking at 2020...maybe the summer of 2019 is time for a road trip/camping/hiking trip to check out some areas.
idaho can be rugged...rugged country.
Post by: ljsommer on February 18, 2019, 01:27:16 PM
you gotta start somewhere for sure.
if you're looking at 2020...maybe the summer of 2019 is time for a road trip/camping/hiking trip to check out some areas.
idaho can be rugged...rugged country.
I think that sounds like a great idea!
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 18, 2019, 01:28:30 PM
To shoot a deer you will need a deer tag.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 18, 2019, 01:31:47 PM
Tough love here but I wouldn't recommend somebody who hasn't killed a big game animal do this.
I'd reccomend a deer tag. Either plan mule deer in October or whitetail in November. Looking for the best OTC deer and elk unit will get you neither.
Thank you for your input, but I am a new hunter (perhaps always will be "new"?) with no friends or family who hunt, so I am having to make my own way here. Half of these forums say "Get the hell out of Washington and hunt out of state if you want a better hunt experience/odds" so, here I am trying to figure it out.
I was talking about Idaho
Post by: ljsommer on February 18, 2019, 01:32:46 PM
Tough love here but I wouldn't recommend somebody who hasn't killed a big game animal do this.
I'd reccomend a deer tag. Either plan mule deer in October or whitetail in November. Looking for the best OTC deer and elk unit will get you neither.
Thank you for your input, but I am a new hunter (perhaps always will be "new"?) with no friends or family who hunt, so I am having to make my own way here. Half of these forums say "Get the hell out of Washington and hunt out of state if you want a better hunt experience/odds" so, here I am trying to figure it out.
I was talking about Idaho
I understood what you meant, I was just saying that everytime I talk about the hard time I am having in WA half these forums tell me to stop hunting WA and to go elsewhere. So, here I am.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 18, 2019, 01:33:41 PM
non res elk and deer tag will be pricey, especially since you will most likely eat one.Rest this section on page 110 of the regs.
are you trying to concentrate on elk, with a chance opportunity at deer? what are you wanting to hunt for, the experience, the meat, the trophy?
tagging out on both would be a lot of work, and a lot of meat to process, deal with, and transport back.
In idaho, you can shoot a "lesser" animal with a tag..what that means is, you could just buy your OTC elk tag, and theoretically shoot a deer with it.
out of state license is 154, elk tag is 416, deer tag is another 300.
i would start by picking the area you'd like to hunt, and research seasons and tags.
most elk zones have limited non res OTC tags, and some sell out EXTREMELY fast.
with regards to time.. obviously more is better.
depending on how far you are traveling, what your camp situation is etc..figure at least 1 day to travel there, and 1 day to travel home, with camp set up and tear down.
if/when you shoot an elk, that can be an entire day if not more of work to find, pack out, and process.
not trying to dissuade you at all, it's just good to be as realistic as possible, especially with hunting a new state, or even a new GMU within washington.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 18, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
I’ll second the Jon on starting with deer. Lots of opportunity and long seasons for deer. It’ll get your feet wet so to speak.Tough love here but I wouldn't recommend somebody who hasn't killed a big game animal do this.
I'd reccomend a deer tag. Either plan mule deer in October or whitetail in November. Looking for the best OTC deer and elk unit will get you neither.
Thank you for your input, but I am a new hunter (perhaps always will be "new"?) with no friends or family who hunt, so I am having to make my own way here. Half of these forums say "Get the hell out of Washington and hunt out of state if you want a better hunt experience/odds" so, here I am trying to figure it out.
I was talking about Idaho
I understood what you meant, I was just saying that everytime I talk about the hard time I am having in WA half these forums tell me to stop hunting WA and to go elsewhere. So, here I am.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 18, 2019, 01:39:00 PM
If you're good at googling and compiling information, you can put a solid game plan together.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 18, 2019, 01:41:39 PM
Post by: Antlershed on February 18, 2019, 02:17:52 PM
IMO, based on what I learned last year, there are advantages and disadvantages either way you go (beginning vs end of season).Yes, lots of areas have partial season overlap. 10 days is a fairly tight window to tag out on both, but it’s definitely possible.Deer or Elk ? Bow or Rifle ?
Both deer and elk (I believe theres season overlap) with a focus on elk, and rifle.
Thank you! I could probably push out to 14 days. What would be good dates to aim for? Opener? I am trying to drag my buddies along and I want to give them dates to work with =)
As far as having both a deer and an Elk tag, I guess it depends on if you’re ok with eating one of them if it doesn’t pan out. If someone puts an elk down, you also have to consider how much hunting time will be lost packing meat out. :twocents:
Post by: meatwhack on February 18, 2019, 03:18:51 PM
Post by: Jburke on February 18, 2019, 07:24:10 PM
d probably buy the deer tag also, but with 7 days I'd much rather spend the time hunting elk. I can always go to town and buy a deer tag later if we tag out early enough assuming there are still tags available.
Post by: idaho guy on February 18, 2019, 07:45:01 PM
You aren’t allowed to shoot a deer with your elk tag. You can shoot a bear or cougar or wolf but NOT a deer.
To shoot a deer you will need a deer tag.
:yeah: :chuckle: that could be a really expensive deer using your elk tag
Post by: idaho guy on February 18, 2019, 07:52:27 PM
I’ll second the Jon on starting with deer. Lots of opportunity and long seasons for deer. It’ll get your feet wet so to speak.Tough love here but I wouldn't recommend somebody who hasn't killed a big game animal do this.
I'd reccomend a deer tag. Either plan mule deer in October or whitetail in November. Looking for the best OTC deer and elk unit will get you neither.
Thank you for your input, but I am a new hunter (perhaps always will be "new"?) with no friends or family who hunt, so I am having to make my own way here. Half of these forums say "Get the hell out of Washington and hunt out of state if you want a better hunt experience/odds" so, here I am trying to figure it out.
I was talking about Idaho
I understood what you meant, I was just saying that everytime I talk about the hard time I am having in WA half these forums tell me to stop hunting WA and to go elsewhere. So, here I am.
Third vote for just the deer tag. More likely to have success and easier to deal with after you’re successful!For a newer hunter that is great advice
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 18, 2019, 08:18:25 PM
You aren’t allowed to shoot a deer with your elk tag. You can shoot a bear or cougar or wolf but NOT a deer.
To shoot a deer you will need a deer tag.
:yeah: :chuckle: that could be a really expensive deer using your elk tag
Yeah lol only be several thousand :chuckle:
Post by: huntnnw on February 18, 2019, 09:39:47 PM
Post by: lord grizzly on February 19, 2019, 05:46:54 AM
Find an area you can spend a bunch of time in. If that’s a 1 or 2 hour drive you’ll go there a bunch more. Go every weekend. Learn the mountains, learn the drainages and trails. Learn the best way to get from one ridge to the next if you glass up a buck so your not blowing everything out of the country trying to find a ash to him. Lean how to hunt. Scout up some animals in the summer and kill them I the fall. Then expand
Or just listen to the internet and spend minimum 2 grand on clothes before you buy your out of state tag. We do appreciate the donation. I’ll
Post by: huntnnw on February 19, 2019, 06:44:22 AM
Post by: Antlershed on February 19, 2019, 07:27:11 AM
id tell anyone to hunt out of state if they haven't to open their eyes to whats out there...this state is by far the worst of any state Ive hunted out west. The only thing great in this state is bears and I cant even say whitetails anymore.:yeah:
I went out of state last year for the first time. Contrary to what lord grizzly might make you think, all the Idaho residents I encountered were actually very friendly. :twocents:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 19, 2019, 08:11:04 AM
Post by: ljsommer on February 19, 2019, 09:20:46 AM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 19, 2019, 09:25:04 AM
You know what I'd really like, honestly? Big open spaces where I can see more than 10 feet (Western Washington hunting is such a joy...) and I can get into some country where there are fewer hunters and I have some confidence that animals exist. My hunting experience in Western Washington has been frustrating to say the least, and if my continued hunting experience looked like the last two years I likely wouldn't make it past year 5.
Go take a weekend road trip to Eastern Wa and take a coyote gun and some whiskey (for the farmers) with you and knock on some doors. You'd get permission this time of year to shoot coyotes and possibly deer hunt in the fall and it's cheaper to hunt in your home state.
TBH, the north half of Idaho forests are pretty darn thick too.
Post by: ljsommer on February 19, 2019, 09:29:49 AM
Post by: bornhunter on February 19, 2019, 09:35:19 AM
You know what I'd really like, honestly? Big open spaces where I can see more than 10 feet (Western Washington hunting is such a joy...) and I can get into some country where there are fewer hunters and I have some confidence that animals exist. My hunting experience in Western Washington has been frustrating to say the least, and if my continued hunting experience looked like the last two years I likely wouldn't make it past year 5.
Go take a weekend road trip to Eastern Wa and take a coyote gun and some whiskey (for the farmers) with you and knock on some doors. You'd get permission this time of year to shoot coyotes and possibly deer hunt in the fall and it's cheaper to hunt in your home state.
TBH, the north half of Idaho forests are pretty darn thick too.
Good advice. I knocked a couple of doors on property that was so heavily posted tou would think the owner had stock in no trespassing signs. When the guy heard I was after coyotes, I ended up in his truck with him and he took me around to five different pieces of ground and told me to get as many as I could. Careful with offering booze now days though. Some over there may think you may be on the hootch while you are hunting.
Post by: theleo on February 19, 2019, 01:24:07 PM
I also have a decent off-road truck (2017 tacoma off-road with some good tires) and I was thinking of finding some fire-roads that are just too gnarly for the regular Joe to drive up, just to help get me to places that are further out. I know a couple roads in Issaquah that match this description and there's bound to be tons more.
#1) If you can drive there, others can to. Don't plan on driving to a secluded spot.
#2) The gnarly roads are the un-maintained, tire eating, BLM roads.
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 19, 2019, 01:30:49 PM
Post by: ljsommer on February 19, 2019, 02:10:10 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on February 19, 2019, 02:31:21 PM
Oh, ok, well darn. So is the overall consensus here that going to ID is a great idea, but don't try for elk?That would probably be the best way to start. Success rates are way higher and you can select units with long seasons to avoid crowds that take some of the fun out of hunting. Choose an area that has OTC elk opportunity and it can serve as some scouting for a future potential elk hunt. If you decide to focus on deer, I would narrow it down a little further and decide if you want to focus on whitetails or muleys. Central and Northern Idaho are the bulk of whitetails and the southern half of Idaho is mostly mule deer. Lots of areas they overlap too - and a general deer tag, depending on unit and date, you can shoot either with the same tag. Relative to Washington, I think you will find Idaho a very enjoyable place to hunt.
Post by: theleo on February 19, 2019, 02:50:27 PM
Oh, ok, well darn. So is the overall consensus here that going to ID is a great idea, but don't try for elk?I'd say that for a new hunter it's better to get your feet wet with harvesting a deer first before tackling elk hunting, regardless of what state you do it in. As to Idaho being the state to go hunting, just about anywhere short of California and Oregon offers better rifle opportunities than Washington.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 19, 2019, 02:55:15 PM
I'm a gambler so I'll bet on anything...I say buy both tags if you can.
Not sure who you are or your current life situation but if by chance you're a single dude with time and money to burn I'd buy a deer/elk/wolf tag for about a grand, google scout 11 places to possibly camp/hunt/backpack into, spend 10 days driving/hiking/camping around in Idaho and call it an adventure that you will treasure the rest of your life with no regrets.
Post by: grade-creek-rd on February 19, 2019, 03:05:58 PM
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Post by: huntnnw on February 19, 2019, 10:29:25 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on February 21, 2019, 03:58:47 PM
sommer, the best advice I can give is do what makes YOU happy. If an adventure out of state, with the thought of a more arid country in the big West sounds more enjoyable to you than tromping around in the rain soaked forest then do it!!
Now for the cautions, I agree with Lord Grizzly ( not an Idaho resident here :chuckle: ) I truly believe time in the woods will pay off greater rewards long term, and generally speaking closer is better for that. A private timber pass might be money better spent if just trying to get into the woods and maybe have better chance of getting into animals. Again it all depends.
OTC Idaho is no joke, ( I only have real world experience in archery seasons ) you will still likely encounter hunter pressure, rugged country, and 4 point bucks and 6 point bulls are not everywhere. It will take time, research, boot leather and some luck to get into a honey hole. I have known hunters who thought it was the ticket and were very disappointed ( and significant others ) after fronting the additional cost of the out of state experience. If those are irrelevant factors for you awesome, see above and do what makes you happy.
Personally I would get all the tags if there's even a chance of getting into both critters at the same time.
Also its been mentioned much of central to northern Idaho is heavily forested and very similar to hunting west side timber CO, if that not your gig then look outside that for your experience. IMO
If simply getting some game under your belt is the goal, I would look into options to the east ;), antlerless opportunities in Washington or possibly Idaho or even at spending some money on a guided trip. Yes the cost might be higher, but if done correctly at the very least you will come away with an education.
Post by: johnsc6 on February 21, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
Guess I’ll give you the advice no one else will. Your post indicate your a new hunter and it sounds like available time may be an issue. That being the case driving a state away once a year is not your avenue to success. The internet has done a great job of making people believe all you need to do is drop a bunch of money on name brand “ backcountry” gear, drive to Idaho, hike 2 miles from the road ( if I had a nickel I swear) and kill a monster bull to post on instagram. It’s not the case bud.This is the most truthful advice you were given advice .....
Find an area you can spend a bunch of time in. If that’s a 1 or 2 hour drive you’ll go there a bunch more. Go every weekend. Learn the mountains, learn the drainages and trails. Learn the best way to get from one ridge to the next if you glass up a buck so your not blowing everything out of the country trying to find a ash to him. Lean how to hunt. Scout up some animals in the summer and kill them I the fall. Then expand
Or just listen to the internet and spend minimum 2 grand on clothes before you buy your out of state tag. We do appreciate the donation. I’ll
Post by: idaho guy on February 22, 2019, 03:07:30 PM
Guess I’ll give you the advice no one else will. Your post indicate your a new hunter and it sounds like available time may be an issue. That being the case driving a state away once a year is not your avenue to success. The internet has done a great job of making people believe all you need to do is drop a bunch of money on name brand “ backcountry” gear, drive to Idaho, hike 2 miles from the road ( if I had a nickel I swear) and kill a monster bull to post on instagram. It’s not the case bud.This is the most truthful advice you were given advice .....
Find an area you can spend a bunch of time in. If that’s a 1 or 2 hour drive you’ll go there a bunch more. Go every weekend. Learn the mountains, learn the drainages and trails. Learn the best way to get from one ridge to the next if you glass up a buck so your not blowing everything out of the country trying to find a ash to him. Lean how to hunt. Scout up some animals in the summer and kill them I the fall. Then expand
Or just listen to the internet and spend minimum 2 grand on clothes before you buy your out of state tag. We do appreciate the donation. I’ll
This is good advice. Its the reason I cant get on the bandwagon of applying in a bunch of western states. Even if the hunting is way better I am giving up a lot of local knowledge of the woods that I spend and have spent tons of time in. Travel time is a big factor for me also. Knowledge of your hunting area is huge that's why I have only hunted Montana and Idaho. (except Ak for things like caribou that don't live here!) If you want to come to Idaho go for it! Sometimes just the adventure of checking out new places is worth it but its not necessarily the short route to success. Sometimes I will go hunt completely new areas to me just to check them out sometimes its a bust and sometimes a big success. Time to learn the area is the big factor. And luck :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2019, 03:23:30 PM
So the attraction to driving to other states to hunt, at least for me, is the vast amount of public lands. And the fact that due to all the public land, hunters are much more spread out than they are in Washington. It's just a much more enjoyable experience, whether you harvest an animal or not. Yes, I could drive to eastern Washington to hunt, and I do sometimes, and where I go is a 7 hour drive. But I can go to Wyoming or Montana in 14 hours. It's twice as far but well worth it, in my opinion.
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