Post by: gramps on February 26, 2019, 09:17:54 AM
Bummer
Post by: Woodchuck on February 26, 2019, 09:18:42 AM
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Post by: gaddy on February 26, 2019, 10:28:53 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 26, 2019, 11:03:49 AM
Post by: Chukarhead on February 26, 2019, 11:05:23 AM
With 3 recognized packs in the blues now this. Arghhhhh!
For once, wolf presence might be a real benefit to the elk herds here. Hopefully any limpers are wiped out as low-hanging fruit.
Post by: vandeman17 on February 26, 2019, 11:10:56 AM
With 3 recognized packs in the blues now this. Arghhhhh!
For once, wolf presence might be a real benefit to the elk herds here. Hopefully any limpers are wiped out as low-hanging fruit.
My thoughts exactly. Would be ironic to actually be cheering for a wolf... I think I just threw up a little in my mouth after I typed that
Post by: Woodchuck on February 26, 2019, 11:45:59 AM
Herd health has been on a steady decline for years now. There isn't much of that fruit left on any tree, low hanging or otherwise.With 3 recognized packs in the blues now this. Arghhhhh!
For once, wolf presence might be a real benefit to the elk herds here. Hopefully any limpers are wiped out as low-hanging fruit.
My thoughts exactly. Would be ironic to actually be cheering for a wolf... I think I just threw up a little in my mouth after I typed that
Post by: SkookumHntr on February 26, 2019, 12:36:17 PM
Post by: Stein on February 26, 2019, 12:54:17 PM
Post by: Bango skank on February 26, 2019, 12:58:11 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on February 26, 2019, 01:52:12 PM
Post by: CoryTDF on February 26, 2019, 01:52:43 PM
This is really sad news. Most of the herds that head to town during the snow all congregate in the same general area. This could be the finial nail in the coffin for the 154 herds and would hit the Dayton at nearly the same time. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Sure glad we have a thriving predator population though. Must be nice for all those city folk to watch wolves on NAT-GEO while they fill out their ballots. I really do hate this State.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on February 26, 2019, 06:21:10 PM
I was only able to weekend warrior hunt elk this year but it was awful. We used to have 15 guys in our elk camp and we always got into elk. Last year pretty sure my buddy and I chased the same 5 elk both weekends we went out. The numbers are WAY down in my old hunting area.In my area. I would normally see 200+ elk a season. 20 of those bills. And harvest a spike every other year if not years in a row.
This is really sad news. Most of the herds that head to town during the snow all congregate in the same general area. This could be the finial nail in the coffin for the 154 herds and would hit the Dayton at nearly the same time. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Sure glad we have a thriving predator population though. Must be nice for all those city folk to watch wolves on NAT-GEO while they fill out their ballots. I really do hate this State.
Last year in 9 days of hunting I saw 6 cows. That's it.
And it looks like they are getting rid of cow tags all together this year. Tells you how bad it is
Post by: bkaech on February 26, 2019, 06:32:54 PM
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Post by: grundy53 on February 27, 2019, 12:36:47 PM
I started seeing hoof rot in the chehalis valley between Oakville and Porter in the mid 90's when sometimes you would see over 200 head balled up, now ur lucky to see 40 together at one time, no wolves so its not that, I'm sure it's impacted some due to lack of hound hunting, but my opinion is hoof rot is outta control and has been...wdfw too little too late, hunt elk while u can...It's about the same in northern Pacific county.
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Post by: D-Rock425 on February 27, 2019, 12:52:36 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 27, 2019, 12:55:56 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on February 27, 2019, 01:04:26 PM
Decades of putting in for the blues are over, damn sad! Amazing how quick that herd went down hill. Disgusting:yeah: x's Infinity
Post by: Caseyd on February 27, 2019, 01:21:11 PM
Any Weyerhaeuser spraying going on around Walla Walla??
No but a lot of fertilizer and herbicide in the fall with the no till drilling on those steep wintering grounds.
Post by: gaddy on February 27, 2019, 03:40:08 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 27, 2019, 04:41:00 PM
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Post by: HntnFsh on February 28, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
Where I hunt the elk have had hoof rot for years and I’ve seen very little impact to the heards other than limping elk. Elk numbers are still good. Of course there are no wolves....yet.... and I don’t know the Blues at all so I can’t speak to how it may affect them there, but where I hunt I see hoof rot more as a concern and point of discussion of the possible drastic impact but have not seen any real tangible impact to elk numbers.
That really surprises me. Everywhere I've seen herds with hoof rot they have been decimated. I dont even hunt several places that were extremely productive just a few years ago. Where I could count on being in a few large herds on any given day that is so bad now your lucky to see a few scattered animals if anything. I think mostly due to hoof rot, but you could throw in the enormous amount of cow tags being given out as the reason for the decline.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 01, 2019, 06:08:44 AM
And it looks like they are getting rid of cow tags all together this year.I’ve seen people post this a few times...then I check the proposed regs and see cuts/reductions but A FAR CRY from getting rid of all cow tags.
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Post by: Woodchuck on March 01, 2019, 07:29:34 AM
No cow permits for rifle hunters in 162 at least. There were 100 not so many years ago.And it looks like they are getting rid of cow tags all together this year.I’ve seen people post this a few times...then I check the proposed regs and see cuts/reductions but A FAR CRY from getting rid of all cow tags.
:dunno:
Post by: E-Town Hunter on March 01, 2019, 08:08:11 AM
Post by: grundy53 on March 01, 2019, 08:12:58 AM
Its funny to me...I get on here occasionally and ready these threads. You'd think there are no more animals left to hunt at all in Washington. LOL. Yes, numbers may be down due to mismanagement mostly and wolves may be taking some, but what does every one expect? Roll out of bed at the butt crack of 10AM from their lavish 30 foot toy hauler and stumble 500 feet from camp over a set of 380" elk sheds and pick themselves up and dust off to see a heard of 3000 bulls in a clear cut every morning? It's called hunting. You have luck sometimes and sometimes you don't. Sometimes you have to break from your normal traditions and tactics that worked for you before and do something different to fill your tag. It's always doom and gloom on this sight. I honestly think many of you are doing it just to bring the tag applicants down. :chuckle:Have you ever been around a herd/area with hoof rot?
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Post by: Woodchuck on March 01, 2019, 08:19:29 AM
Take a peek at elk harvest reports and permit #'s for 162 over the last 20 years. We used to get on elk every day, maybe the the group of elk didn't have what we were looking for in it but we saw them. We have spent days on end without seeing any in the last couple of seasons. @rosscrazyelk is an animal in the woods and flat covers ground, he saw 6 elk total last season. The herd is in horrible decline for several reasons, hoof rot is not gonna help the outlook. :twocents:Its funny to me...I get on here occasionally and ready these threads. You'd think there are no more animals left to hunt at all in Washington. LOL. Yes, numbers may be down due to mismanagement mostly and wolves may be taking some, but what does every one expect? Roll out of bed at the butt crack of 10AM from their lavish 30 foot toy hauler and stumble 500 feet from camp over a set of 380" elk sheds and pick themselves up and dust off to see a heard of 3000 bulls in a clear cut every morning? It's called hunting. You have luck sometimes and sometimes you don't. Sometimes you have to break from your normal traditions and tactics that worked for you before and do something different to fill your tag. It's always doom and gloom on this sight. I honestly think many of you are doing it just to bring the tag applicants down. :chuckle:Have you ever been around a herd/area with hoof rot?
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Post by: CoryTDF on March 01, 2019, 01:43:58 PM
Its funny to me...I get on here occasionally and ready these threads. You'd think there are no more animals left to hunt at all in Washington. LOL. Yes, numbers may be down due to mismanagement mostly and wolves may be taking some, but what does every one expect? Roll out of bed at the butt crack of 10AM from their lavish 30 foot toy hauler and stumble 500 feet from camp over a set of 380" elk sheds and pick themselves up and dust off to see a heard of 3000 bulls in a clear cut every morning? It's called hunting. You have luck sometimes and sometimes you don't. Sometimes you have to break from your normal traditions and tactics that worked for you before and do something different to fill your tag. It's always doom and gloom on this sight. I honestly think many of you are doing it just to bring the tag applicants down. :chuckle:
While I agree that this is the standard for many hunters in today's world it is just simply not the case with myself and my group of guys. I am no "Road Hunter" or "Camp Warrior" and I have certainly earned my back-country hunting stripes.
When I say that the numbers are way down and the herd is not anything like it was just 10 years ago you can bank that information was earned and learned through boot rubber not trailer tires and espresso machines. Additionally, There is no situation in which any herd or any hunter will benefit from hoof rot. I know what hunting looks like and I still feel very secure in my fear of what this could mean to the herds in the blues. :twocents:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 01, 2019, 02:23:59 PM
Its funny to me...I get on here occasionally and ready these threads. You'd think there are no more animals left to hunt at all in Washington. LOL. Yes, numbers may be down due to mismanagement mostly and wolves may be taking some, but what does every one expect? Roll out of bed at the butt crack of 10AM from their lavish 30 foot toy hauler and stumble 500 feet from camp over a set of 380" elk sheds and pick themselves up and dust off to see a heard of 3000 bulls in a clear cut every morning? It's called hunting. You have luck sometimes and sometimes you don't. Sometimes you have to break from your normal traditions and tactics that worked for you before and do something different to fill your tag. It's always doom and gloom on this sight. I honestly think many of you are doing it just to bring the tag applicants down. :chuckle:Back when logging was more prevalent and there were also more hunters out in the woods, that imaginary scenario seemed more likely than today's seasons. When the early November snows would hit, the elk would migrate down and there would be herds of probably thousand out in big clear cuts.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 01, 2019, 04:20:24 PM
Post by: gaddy on March 05, 2019, 04:13:36 PM
My point is that the Elk #s are way down, add in the predators (wolves have been up there for awhile) and now add on Hoof rot in an area that is steep and deep ?? Dosn't look good in my eyes. I might guess that the land owners in the lower elevations with the depredation permits will do alright.
Post by: emac on March 05, 2019, 06:00:32 PM
In the national forest in the blues the proposed regs are to eliminate all cow tags. There are still some cow tags to apply for but they are all on private ground outside the national forest boundariesAnd it looks like they are getting rid of cow tags all together this year.I’ve seen people post this a few times...then I check the proposed regs and see cuts/reductions but A FAR CRY from getting rid of all cow tags.
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